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Brian Boyberena sub-edition
old>>67592016

UPCOMING EVENTS (May):
5/15: EFN: Saint Petersburg
5/20: Lellator 155 (Carvalho vs Manhoef)
5/21: Venator FC 3 (Palhares vs Meek)
5/26: EFN 48: Moscow
5/27: ONE FC: Kingdom of Champions (Amnuaysirichoke vs Naito)
5/29: UFC FN 88 (Almeida vs Garbrandt)

UPCOMING EVENTS (June):
6/4: UFC 199 (Weidman vs Rockhold)
6/10: Titan FC 39 (Cavalcante vs Healy)
6/12: Pancrase 278 (Sunabe vs Haita)
6/17: ONE FC (TBA)
6/17: Lellator 156 (Galvao vs Dantas)
6/17: WSOF 31 (Ivanov vs Copeland)
6/18: UFC FN 89 (MacDonald vs Thompson)
6/24: Lellator 157 (Jackson vs Ishii)
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MORE AMERICAN CHAMPS
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Schaub
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Stipe Miocic was knocked out by Stefan Struve.
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>>67593051

Can Frankie and Eddie really pull it off?
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Is Struve gonna have a career resurgence?
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Thread Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SQTVwp19jU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SQTVwp19jU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SQTVwp19jU

reminder to always play "Sanctus" by Libera on repeat while watching heems in slow motion

http://vmashup.com/c9DoCuLd
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the card needed anderson
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>I WASNT STOPPED WAAH
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ANNNNNND NEW!

UFC WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION!

DEMIAN MAIA!
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end heavyweight division
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FIGHTERS WHO COULD AND WOULD BEAT THE CURRENT UFC HW CHAMP:
Daniel Cormier
Jon Jones
Cain Velasquez

Overeem gets knocked out, its been to long.
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Will Stipe continue firefighting now?
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Stipe is keeping that belt warm for Ngannou
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don't worry Brazil.
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Lads how do you cope with your BOY losing?

Feeling pretty bummed out
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>>67593014
Here's those lefts up the middle, and leg kick responses by Werdum.
Pay attention to that last left by Stipe; Werdum hated it!
Back when Frank Shamrock was a Strikeforce commentator he would rave about how effective "upjabs" were.
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Miocic vs Overeem
Werdum vs JDS

yay or nay?
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SOMEONE POST THE CYBORG TKO REPLAY FFS

also, fuck werdum dude was fat as fuck

hue
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4 weiners on the night
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>>67593072
Agreed. Seeing him get wheelkicked would have made my week.
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>>67593075
pls happen
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>>67593071
What are the lyrics about? Meaning?
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Jones needs to save the HW division
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RDA will grapplefuck Alvarez then manage to get knocked out by Khabib's pillowfists in the 1st.

Cap this
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>>67593080
DC can be a two division champion, easily.
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>>67593096

Never take picks again
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>>67593110
He would get smashed by any of the top 5
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>>67593092
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>>67593083

you mean hunt
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>>67593096
>Tfw ive been picking literally every card since this became a thing and ive never got a perfect prediction
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>>67593087
Thought it was pretty even but Stipe seems to have had the upper hand or landed the more effective blows in a lot of exchanges
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>>67593084
Piccolo please save us
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>>67593064

Franklin can absolutely will.

Alvarez will get memed on, though.
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>>67593111
trips confirm
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werdum be all
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>>67593128

>Hunt

The mean who got ragdolled by the current champ? I actually thought Hunt should have retired after that fight, Stipe took 20 years out of his life and the ref let it happen.
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>>67592446
>>67592553
How would you rate Miocic's defense of the snatch?
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>>67593122
Holly would make this guy look silly
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Any guesses on performance and FOTN winners?
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>ask for cyborg tko replay
>no one posts

pls /sp/
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>>67593130
Getting 6/6 right on the Wonderboy/Hendricks card was the highlight of my summer
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>>67593142

that's the fight to make imo
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>Mfw Brazilian chins
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>>67593150
>>67593122
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Can Jacare be the one to bring back the belt to Brazil?
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>>67593142
That's actually a really interesting match up because Cris is a forward moving power striker, while Holly is a defensive counter puncher.

Pretty good fight desu.
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>>67593150
Browse the thread you fucking autist
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>>67593138

i believe in hunto.

anyway, memes aside, would it really be impossible for ngannou to beat stipe?
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>>67593119
shut up
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>>67593147
FOTN: Trinaldo/Medeiros (thats a lock)
POTN: Miocic, Cyborg, Lil Nog, Jacare (I think 3 of them will get it)
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>>67593156
savage
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Was tonight's Bellator worth watching?
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>>67593130

>get them all correct including stipe and sage killer

>lose because hue judges give """"""shogun"""""" a bullshit decision

called that heem on werdum big time
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>>67593157
oh hey, thanks, forgot to search for (you)

>>67593122
holy shit it's like an angry chimp taking test e3days having acute PMS trying to kill someone

jesus christ
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>>67593156
>Dat buttcrack

Dude needs to pull up his trousers.
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>>67593111
RDA isn't taking down Eddie which is going to make this fight a spicy one
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>>67593163
I don't see any signed brazilian fighter winning a belt in the coming years, except for Cyroid.
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I'm a guy and cyborg scares me
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>>67593147
Either FOTN: Trinaldo-Yancy and POTN Stipe and Maia

Or again 4 performances of the night: Stipe, Jacare, Cyborg, Maia

I think the former
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>>67593087
Man, they are really slow. HW in Pride moved way more easily than this.
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>>67593141
honestly not that high, Miocic benefit from Werdum's mistake, The classic defense against a single like that would cross facing (shoving his hand into werdum's face) or shoving stiff arming werdum's head, and in tandem sprawling or turning in toward your opponent,

Miocic failed to do anything with his hands, and turned away from Werdum and exposed his back for a brief moment, IF and i hate talking what ifs, Werdum didn't botch the finish Miocic would have fallen or exposed his back, with the defense he shown in that exchange, it was poor defense/grappling IQ
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If Overeem wins the HW title, trust me, BREATHING will be the new mewvment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h_3NVI20T4

Wim Hof > Ido Portal

>>67593084

He better hope the Chris wins the rematch, because Rockhold will beat Jacare again.
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>>67593163
Y O E L
O
E
L
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>>67593200
If you fucks get a good scientist that can bypass usada you will dominate again
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>>67593085
>>67593085
>>67593085
>>67593085
>>67593085
>>67593085
LADS PLEASE
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GIVE NGANNOU HIS SHOT REEEEEEEEEEE
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>>67593218
hello 189
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L I V E
I
V
E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np0xPSHkPzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np0xPSHkPzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np0xPSHkPzk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np0xPSHkPzk

POST FIGHT PRESSER STARTING NOW
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>>67593085

Alcohol and pain killers
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>>67593224
Just be sad, go to sleep.
Tomorrow is gonna be alright.
I saw my NT lose a world cup final, i can assure you, there is no worst feeling than that in sports.
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>>67593234
thanks anon
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>>67593222
Thominhas is our Golden boy but Dominick's 185lb dick is just too massive.
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>>67593213
>I'm a guy
but are you a man?
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>>67593230
get memed on kiddo
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>>67593224
Time heals all wounds.
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>>67593224
You cry yourself to sleep for the night and feel like shit for the week
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>>67593224
by switching boys
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>>67593217

Ido has competition now
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>watching post fight presser
>speaking in Portuguese
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>>67593039
>Miocic is the first professional athlete to bring a world championship to Cleveland.

I keked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipe_Miocic
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>>67593132
Werdum's brightest spot might have been the cross at the end of this clip. Who knows, maybe this was what gave him the confidence to charge in...
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Trinaldo-Yancy FOTN

Jacare and Stipe get POTN

Jacare has a fracture in his leg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np0xPSHkPzk
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>excited to watch post fight presser
>forgot its going to be a shitshow of portugese and translators
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>>67593264

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G2l_A9nB0
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>>67593264
lmao what?
What population does Cleveland has?
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>>67593271

>no bonus for cyborg

miocic kotn cyborg potn
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>>67593271
>Jacare has a fracture in his leg
Damn, Vitor's guard pulls are vicious
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>2 voices at once
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>>67593039
Why can't there be a UFC Heavyweight champion that can defend the title more than three times?
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>>67593271
lil nog deserved it more than Jacare
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DEMIAN MAIA THE BRAZILIAN WITH MOST WINS IN UFC HISTORY.
L
M
A
O
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>>67593224

Sorry but I don't know that feel
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So why even bring cyborg to the ufc? To fight one catchweight fight? No one else is gonna sign to fight her.
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>Cyborg's voice
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>>67593271
how did Jacare fracture his leg?
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>>67593270
Is it me or does Werdum look really flabby?
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>>67593296
more than Anderson?
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>>67593285

>cyborg
>doing what we all thought she would do and outclassing a smaller opponent
>getting a potn

Ariel please stop masturbating to WMMA
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>girl

someone check this niggas panties
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>>67593289
>>67593311
It was someone else
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THE CURSE OF THE BLACK SHORTS CONTINUES
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>>67593309
they can have her fight Ronda at 145, although Ronda may have trouble cutting to it
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Shogun looks like he had his face punched in too many times
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You now remember Conor McGregor is the UFC Featherweight Champion
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>I don't think he is a better fighter than I am

lel
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>Werdum speaking
>Translator cuts off

Absolute shit show.
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>>67593314
More than Anderson and more than Tibau
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Werdum " i was reckless"
understatement
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>>67593319
A 3rd fighter in the Octagon!?
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>>67593315
Rose coming for that belt
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>>67593316

>a smaller opponent

U wot lad? Leslie was the bigger gal with a longer reach but her technique was wank so naturally she was gonna get starched in 1 round.
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>>67593333
kekked and cheked
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>I was very conscious
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>>67593335
Wow, interesting.
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>WERDUM: I think the fair thing is to have a rematch.
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>>67593332
You now remember Nate Diaz is the UFC Featherweight Champion
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>demanding a rematch after getting flatline KO'd

Huehuehuehue
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>>67593315

Federweight: Frankie Edgar

Lightweight: Khabib (Honorary American)

WM Straweight: Thug Rose

All will be right with the world again
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>>67593333
Don't know what you expect desu
Surely a Champion or even fighter should believe he's the best there is?

>>67593358
Yeah there's no chance at all that's happening. Wondering who his next opponent might be, I think it could actually be Reem, which would be interesting
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>walk into /heem/
>all around me are familiar faces starts playing
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Victor " i think i shouldn't pull guard"
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>>67593255

lel, Ido is not competition.

Ido is a conman. Wim Hof holds multiple world records.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMjhwFE1Zw

>>67593271

Jacare does not deserve performance of the night at all. If anything, Vitor's pay should be cut for dipshit move of the night.
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>>67593347

no, Leslie was 1 inch taller but Cyborg had a 2 inch reach advantage and a definite mass advantage. Leslie even said during the embeddeds that she wasn't concerned about cutting weight
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>>67593358
>>67593363
cain did it tho
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>>67593200

are these unsigned?
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https://twitter.com/jessicaevileye/status/731718294424686592
Jessica "I'm not drunk, really" Eye
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When is an immediate rematch supposed to happen?
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What a hypocritical cocksucker

Hope DC heems this fucker back to the crack dens
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>begging for a rematch
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>>67593200
almeida, assunciao, barbosa, glover after jones moves up and DC retires?, JDS?
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>>67593370
What a shit 2 years you've been having after the 7-1
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>>67593384
When a fight is so close it could have gone either way, such as Lawler/Condit
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Where in Croatia is Cleveland? Can't find it on my map
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>>67593387

How is he hypocritical?
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Which prospect should Bam Bam BTFO next?
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>>67593382

>haters

god i HATE that word
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>RDA will lose by next year
>frankie will heem aldo

post yfw brazil's ONLY hope is the WOMENS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN POUND belt.
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>>67593367
>Federweight: Frankie Edgar
it will be hard to win the belt when you can't fight the champ
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>>67593378
Not the same thing
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>>67593401
this x 10000000
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>>67593382
>>67593405

she's famous because she punches chicks in the face
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>>67593402
He looked like absolute shit against OSP and is such a fucking cheat himself
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Maia throwing some science in the press conference.
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Demian Maia is a good guy
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>>67593156
do you have a webm of the KO?
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>>67593402
because hes on gear too?
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>>67593325

underrated
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>>67593401

>Flag
>Topic

It's no wonder you're so domesticated after Stipe emasculated Hunt so badly
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>>67593406
THE BRAZIL MEME IS DEAD. BABY WE DID IT
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Took a power nap and missed the whole event. Gutted. How was it in terms of quality of fights? I just read Matt Brown heem'd some fan who grabbed his hood on the way into the octagon.
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congratulations to croatias own stipe miocic
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>>67593435

RDA looks solid, I think he hurts and finishes Khabib this time.
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>>67593438
He barely could touch it, he didn't /heem/ no one.
He got completely dominated.
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>>67593389
Rumble is gonna heem glover into retirement and all those other guys wont even get close
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>Werdum is the greatest HW of all time

lel
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>>67593402

because he's a cheater regardless of him using peds or not.

reminder that he couldn't finish a one-armed meme fighter
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>>67593438
i missed the event for some bullshit too, fucking sucks
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>>67593438
was alright, the 3 main fights were kinda bad tho
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>>67593448
>I think he hurts and finishes Khabib this time
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>>67593438
Prelims were good
Main card was 7/10
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>>67593450
Glover is gonna heem Rumble.
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I'd love to see a catchweight fight between Cyborg and a flyweight / bantamweight male fighter
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>>67593458

Doesn't take much to kick him in the face when he shoots. RDA is more athletic.
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>>67593438
>>67593455
was an 8/10 card desu

prelims were spicy af
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all that hype for cyborg and they throw a tomato can at her
whats the point?
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Was the Bellator event worth watching?
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>>67593462
Actually probably a 6.5/10
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>>67593464
DJ vs Cyborg
I'll watch that.
Who wins?
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When will Shogun hang it up /heem/? He's my favorite fighter of all time, but it hurts to see him struggle against mid tier fighters.
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>>67593470
yeah but i missed matt brown heem a fan and werdum get heemed, that alone is pretty epic in my opinion, really annoying to have missed
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>>67593464

cyborg vs dodson
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>>67593464
any 125er would kill her
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>>67593464
I was wondering tonight what might happen if some drunk goof on the street tried to step to Cyborg, The guy would probably wake up in the hospital
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>>67593479
I really hope he retires soon
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>>67593417
>He looked like absolute shit against OSP

He didn't actually, he got a 50-44, it's just that he had higher expectations and so did his fans, for someone who had been away for a year he looked solid.

>>67593452

>He's a cheater cause I say so

Okay DC
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>>67593463
More like Rumble is gonna rip Glover's old ass head off.
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>>67593389
>Almeida, Assunção
They're pretty good but a human named Dick Cruz exists
>Glover
don't see him getting past DC or Rumble
>JDS
he'd have to get a brain transplant first
>Barboza
Is this a ruse?

If anyone's getting a belt back, it's Aldo. And that's a big if.
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>>67593163
No, it's hard to see him beating Rockhold or Weidman, let alone both, which he would have to do.
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>>67593475

cyborg is only 2 inches taller and only has a 1 inch reach advantage, but she seems like she'd be bigger. TJ has also said he could easily make 125

TJ would win with movement
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>>67593451

I was lelling heartily at that before he got heemed in the first round. Now Werdum is saying he deserves a rematch. Practically a farce at this point.
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>>67593491

Someone who isn't a decision machine will retire him
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>>67593064
>anyone beating RDA in his current form other than Khabib

Lel m8 lel
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Who gets the next title shot

Bisping or Jacare?
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>>67593491

Fucking aging is a bitch. When the fuck are we going to solve it /heem?

Hurts me to see some of the greats wither to old age.

Fucking biology
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>>67593479
Hopefully after this fight.
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>>67593074
>"I was still moving"
>In 1:21 her face looks like she got hit with a bat

Ref saved her from going limp
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>>67593482
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>>67593514

>anyone beating RDA in his current form

Tony Ferguson could get the job done. No one is unbeatable in that division except maybe Khabib but even he will get exposed eventually.
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>>67593492
He looked astounding mediocre and pedestrian against a can who broke his arm in the first round

>he's cheater cause I say so

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Victor-Conte-Jon-Jones-Low-Testosterone-Levels-Before-UFC-182-Highly-Suspicious-80631

This is indicative of a person who is off their cycle

Yes, just about every fighter juices their balls off, but that's not the point
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>>67593517
Bisping
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>>67593503
I don't know about that
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>>67593466

This just in: anon comes up with brilliant tactic that nobody has ever thought of before, and strikers will now never lose to a grappler ever. Just kick them in the face.
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>>67593517

bisping now
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>>67593526
this is one of the cards with some all time great heems desu werdum is a legend and he got heemed in a spicy banger
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>>67593523
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>>67593466
>shoots
Khabib is going to:
- bait RDA into thinking his pressure is working
- backpedal to the cage
- clinch
- reverse postion
- single leg RDA against the cage
And then Dohminate khim.
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>No questions for Miocic

Huezilian media salty as fuck
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>>67593523
>pezao still in full just mode
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Maia is literally the Khabib of the 170lb division
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>>67593517
Bisping will fight Whittaker
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>>67593165

Holly is a much higher fight IQ and it would be a good match for her style.

The problem is Cyborg literally throws hands like a 145 Chuck Liddell, can push for 5 rounds, and is much more durable than any of the other women in the UFC. Cyborg's is also much more dangerous than Holly in a clinch.

Holly needs to land multiple bombs to even think about taking down Cyborg but anything Cyborg throws is going to rattle Holly.

Holly MIGHT be able to avoid Cyborg's strikes for 3 rounds and win on points, but that is one hell of a challenge. Cyborg knows how to get into the pocket and if you slip up she is taking your head off. She will put on pressure like nothing Holly has faced before and if Holly stumbles Cyborg is going to rip her apart.

Holly is the only woman in the division who has a chance and I would pay so much money to see this fight. Anyone else who takes a fight against Cyborg without getting PAID is out of their mind.
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>>67593531
How's this - Will Brooks, now a Free agent, wants Khabib.
I took a screenshot of his Twitter timeline read bottom to top.
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Was Werdum on the gas?
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>>67593545
>all time great heems
disagree, there was some fun fights but no fantastic or amazing heem like this or something
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>>67593532

OSP is far from being a can, and even if he was, Jones has already beaten everyone in the top 5 except Rumble.
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>>67593492

https://youtu.be/x46wcSpE-AU
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>>67593535

I don't know either until we see them stand side-by-side with no tricks
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>>67593554
except Khabib is actually entertaining
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>>67593449

twitter.com/SandhuMMA/status/731667268644548609/video/1

from 0:23 looks like he snuck quite a mean one on the fan tho
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>>67593531

"exposed"

you mean he'll get old? like every other great fighter before him?

I dislike the liberal use of 'exposed' with fighters today. Khabib has solid stand up and is a fantastic grappler.

Exposed should be reserved for people that heavily leverage one aspect of their game and it comes to light only when someone of an elite caliber in that part of the game fights said person.

Ex: McGregor and diaz ( grappling) or holm and rousey ( striking)

I don't see khabib getting "exposed"
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>>67593588
id rather have seen him beat up 4 brazilians at once than get grapple raped by maia desu
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Man Werdum is determined, nigga's saying he'd do a rematch at 200

Not that he's ever getting it but yeah, nice to see that drive
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>>67593588
Should've stabbed him in the neck.
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>>67593367
>Russian
>honorary American

25 years ago that gets you shot anon.
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>>67593464

>Cyborg vs John Lineker

BOOK IT
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>>67593580
>you mean he'll get old?

No I mean he'll get exposed as in someone will finally figure out a game plan to beat him and execute it.

> for people that heavily leverage one aspect of their game

Yes and Khabib relies on his grappling heavily, there's very few fighters who are well rounded, and if he meets a better striker with good TDD he'll lose
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So heem out of 1-10 how good was Jacare and Stipe's performance?
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>>67593573

And undefeated, and a title contender, in fact he should have the belt were it not for his injury.
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i would love to squeak my finger on jacare's noggin
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>>67593531
be careful
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>>67593607
Jacare solid 8
Stipe solid 9
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>>67593580
>Khabib has solid stand up
Have we truly seen it tested? To me, it looked like he had some holes in the Horcher fight. The Project Manager wasn't able to exploit those holes and get off, but it's something worth considering when Khabib eventually comes up against fighters with sharper tools on the feet and the ability to defeat Khabib's takedown attempts (looking very unlikely there's anybody who can stop them at the moment)
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>>67593580
I could easily see khabib getting heemed
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>>67593559

Yeah Cyborg is built like a man, she nearly ripped Smith's head off on that right hook
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>>67593607

as some with very little knowledge of boxing, I give Stipe an 8
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>>67593566
And he still looked pretty mediocre, shitty for fighting a guy fighting with one arm for 4 rounds
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Did USADA deleted all the Hue fighters' chins?
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Oh my god, /heem/ became so much better right after the event
What happened?
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>>67593599
Stabbed Brown? Or the dirty huenigger?
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>>67593603

Would pay mucho dinero for that one
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>>67593601

Be careful
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>"Thank you in the name of the HueFC"
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>>67593632
Brown
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>>67593080
None of those fighters would. JDS might.
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>>67593628

rda is still good. clawjah is going to be champ soon

>>67593630

we have something to discuss?
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>>67593630

All the casuals and /b/turds left
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in the name of the ufc, heems
and the holy war angel

amen
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>>67593632
The American scum.
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>>67593607
Really saw no flaws in Jacare's game, especially after Vitor had his time to rest during the doctor's break, that still had no negative effect on Jacare.

Hard to tell about Stipe since his win relied on Werdum being retarded, but it's easy to say he beats Overeem.
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>>67593639
kek
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>>67593628
They must have been taking brain-drugs pre-USADA or something, because we've seen a few times just recently Brazilian fighters at the top level making huge mistakes and getting burned.
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>>67593607
Bretty gud since I won $75 in bets I had with my friends tonight. Both 8/10
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>>67593628
I don't think his chin was the problem, running into a 265lbs man's punch is going to get you KOed no matter who you are
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>>67593652
>the city of brazil
will you "people" ever get a title back? Americas own Khabib is pretty much the real champ at lightweight
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>>67593580

Nate won with boxing.
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>>67593652
Still salty, Erick?
Brown is fucking based.
My love for you is like a truck
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>>67593641
I think cormier could when he fought at hw but now i think hes too small.
>>67593607 8 for not dominating belfot on the feet but excellent performance just wish he wouldve ko'd dad bod vitor
Stipe a 9/10 because he did exactly what he shouldve. Werdum not know for taking ppl down and isntead decided to stand with a guy with rocks for hands and north east ohio on his back.
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>>67593653

Was what Werdum did any less retarded than Vitor pulling guard of Jacare?
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>>67593649
Amen
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>>67593653
>it's easy to say he beats Overeem.

>HW fights
>Easy to say

Was it easy to say that he'd lose to Struve who lost to Jared Rosholt?

HW is more like WM BW, in that styles are what determine who wins.
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