>americans will never know the joy of a feat like leicester's because they will never know the pain of being relegated
is this statement true?
ha! /u r gay
>>67577466
>futbol clubs still have to play 2 more games after the champion has been decided
Holy fuck you guys are literal cucks
>>67577466
As an actual Leicester fan that has seen relegation three times. Yes.
>>67577466
The Oakland A's and a couple other teams in baseball are in a similar position (but now as extreme) and have succeeded. Moneyball and all that
If that happened in the US the team would be relocated to a larger city to boost its popularity.
>>67577603
No, when it happens in the US attendance increases so there's no point in moving the team until they start to be shit again and there's less attendance
>>67577498
First post best post
yup
>b-but muh playoffs
>Europeans will never know the feeling of having their alma mater win a national championship because they never went to school
lmao who in the relevant world actually likes soccer
>yuropoors will never know the feeling of having your team pick up and relocate to another city
>>67579741
>what is OP's picture
>>67579731
No one. Relevant begins and ends here.
its totally false
there is much more parity in the USA,so its harder for a team to suck for so long.
but some do,and they are fewer,so the feeling of being shit is worse.
If the Browns won the Owl it would be at least as amazing than Leicester winning the league
yes, this is totally true. the only thing that comes close is being a Mets fan.
>>67584736
>there is much more parity in the USA
13 of the 32 teams in the NFL have never won a Superb Owl.
>>67579741
>he says this
>in a thread with a picture of Wimbledon supporters in the OP
>americans
>>67577466
>implying cubs fans won't feel that this season
Suck my nuts
>>67584736
The Browns winning the Owl would be so much less amazing. There's a good chance it will happen in our lifetime, and the Browns have at least one NFL Championships before and been to the AFC title game. Their odds to win next season are like 100-1, rather than 2,000-1.
>>67577466
Players get regulated, not teams. Why would you relegate your entire team just because the 12th man is a right cunt?
>>67585711
there were 50 superbowls and a lot of the teams dont have 30 years.
since 92,6 teams have won the Premier League,most of which just because they were owned by a richer guy and bought top players.
the 2 finalists this year were the worst and second worst teams in the league 5 years ago.
>>67585807
Leicester os owned by a billionaire that could buy a team with 1/5 chance of winning it every year
there is no reason to think thos team had less than a 1/100 chance to win it this year
>>67577466
The 2004 Red Sox winning the World Series after an 86 year drought is pretty comparable in terms of difficulty. Especially considering they were down 0 games to 3 against the fucking Yankees in the ALCS.
>Bottom of the 9th.
>Scoring on Mariano Rivera.
god damn this will always give me a boner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMEylcp7E7s
>yuros will never know the joy of the Patriots going 18-1
but how do the 90% of Euros who bandwagon one of the top teams who have never been relegated in the country know the joy of the feat?
>>67587576
Only americans care about this.
>7-1 Is world wide
>>67588192
Literally what?
>>67589397
You haven't been on /sp/ a minute have you?
>>67577466
No. Your team being relegated is the equivalent of our teams being moved. See St. Louis Rams for example.
And you will never know the joy of winning a championship how it should be won, not by having the best record, but by winning a championship game.
>>67577510
>futbol
>>67577466
if Cleveland ever wins a title, it'll be this
>>67592744
/thread
>>67577466
I saw my team getting relegated 4 times but they never won a tittle, so I only know 1/2 of this feel
>>67577466
they will never know the joy because their sports have parity and any team can come around and win
baseball is based because it's more open. lesters feat is great because they had to build their own way instead of just being matched resource wise with the other teams in the league
>>67592744
Actually your "franchises" being moved are the equivalent of our teams being moved. See Wimbledon F.C. for example. You don't have an equivalent for relegation.
>>67588192
18-1 created this board you shit
>>67593324
To be fair one of those major sports moments would have started /sp/ eventually. Imagine the site without a dedicated sports board during >TORRES or >7-1
>>67593385
No other previous world cup did it. Americans still mostly use this site
Probably true, but think of the tons of other fans of smaller clubs that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of ever witnessing a championship in their lifetime
it's give and take
>>67593426
No previous football events were quite like those two. I suppose back then the sport on 4chan was still quite American focused unlike now when football dominates, hence the 7-1 meltdown being so prominent.
>>67592744
The FA cup and champions league exists.
>0-0ball
Ya good for your team finally acquiring enough PEDs to win their league finally. Holy shit should this even be celebrated? It's really a wake up call to how shit the sport is.
Don't expect you to read this argument but here it is. In what fucking world would anyone with an IQ over 50 think that it's more likely that big foot exists than a team with professional athletes starting the beginning of the season with the same 0-0-0 record as everyone else and starting every game with the same 0-0 score as the other team would win the title? It's almost like they think that only 1 of 5 teams have a legitimate chance, and the rest are impossible. Hmmm. Your sport is full of corrupt shit and this is only a story because a moron put them at 5000-1 odds
>>67593575
No one gives a shit about the FA cup
>>67586739
This. I think the relation of success to spending is overstated. No offense, but it's been that because so many people insist on calling the sport "the beautiful game." It's not special. It has a clear objective like anything else, and there are no points for style. My theory is a lot of top managers know a lot less about what they're doing than they think they do. Take that second leg Bayern juventus match for instance. It took an entire half for guardiola to realize Costa could get a free cross into the box on every possession they had, and guys just got cleanup goals. His stupid insistence on buildup plays in the first half was goddamn regarded.
Simeone is shitting on the "beautiful game" as well. Leicester just picked up a good manager who's good at scouting talent and caught Chelsea at JUST, pellegrini knew he was leaving soon, manu is in flux, and arsenal is guaranteed 4th every season.
It's impressive what they did, but it's not all that wild. It's not like the bundesliga where Bayern just buys out literally everything.
If the Cleveland Browns get good management, then a super bowl is by no means out of the question.
>>67593835
>No one gives a shit about the FA cup
Which speaks volumes about the merit of the format.
>>67593867
But everyone cares a lot about the champions league, so what are you getting at? Do you think these things out before you post?
>>67577466
murrica doesn't even play sport. they serve franchises. we all know they are eternal idiots and are just being humoured until they implode.
>soccerfags will never know the joy of a feat like appalachian state coming into the big house and beating championship-hopeful michigan in front of 110,000 people
I feel bad for ya'll desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA_zeMCnlWY
>club disbanded in 2005 due to debts and bad management from 1995 onwards
>reformed with the youth teams
>started out in the 5th league
>4 back to back promotions
>followed by 8 years in the top flight with mediocre results with the best result being 2nd
>yesterday won the title after 21 years with a 93rd minute penalty
NEVER EVER
>>67594100
OLIMPIJA :3
>>67593946
The champions league is that way by necessity, my point is the comment that "you will never know the joy of winning a championship" was retarded for various reasons.
>>67594049
this legit killed their program
a prestigious, blue blood NCAA program just fucked in one season
>>67593835
>"The beautiful game" only applies to style of play
No
>>67577466
M8 there are so many Americans on here who are /lifelongs/, fuck off!
>>67592744
>And you will know the joy of winning a championship how it should be won
>Not by proving yourself to be the best team by accumulating the most points after playing every team twice over a 38 game season
>But by winning the final of a knockout competition
Lmao, fucking Americans
And there is no American equivalent of relegation.
>90% of Englishmen will never know the joy of their team win a title because the same four teams will continue to have a monopoly on it forever with random teams occasionally eking one out once every twelve years
>>67592744
>And you will never know the joy of winning a championship how it should be won, not by having the best record, but by winning a championship game.
Champions league you stupid fat retarded fucking cunt.
>>67595025
>And there is no American equivalent of relegation
The American equivalent is getting your ass kicked year after year, without even the chance to drop down and face easier competition.
>>67594049
>ywn watch negro school children in spandex run into each other repeatedly for 3hrs
Shoot me now plz
>>67594100
PURE IDEOLOGY
>>67595041
>100% of americans will never know what its like to truly support a club because their sides are not clubs but franchises that manufacture sportstainment product
>>67586201
>>67585711
>comparing a knockout competition to a league
wanna know how I know you're retarded?
>>67593946
holy fuck does anything get through that thick skull of yours?
>>67592744
>And you will never know the joy of winning a championship how it should be won, not by having the best record, but by winning a championship game.
Why do so many Muricans not do this one basic bit of research?
>>67594049
One game upsets happen all the time
>>67577466
Probably a big stretch to compare the 2 but the day Fremantle FC in the AFL win a premiership I will cry. Years and years of utter shit but I've been with them for it all. They are MY shitters.
>>67595224
You still get a better draft pick if you play shit.
>mfw I'm old enough to remember wimbledon playing in the premiere league
>>67595566
Don't they have a record for lowest attendance in a PL game ever?
>>67577466
>crying over sports
the amount of beta in other country's men is flabbergasting
>>67595578
Yeah, about 3000 and half of those were the away fans
>>67595025
That's because relegation is the most retarded idea in sports history
>a team is bad
>punish it by giving it less money and further increasing the chances of them literally never being good
>>67595600
How does a PL team fuck up that badly
CL format > Playoff format > the terrible dullness if the football leagues format
>>67595566
i've actually seen them play, still got the ticket and the match program
>>67577466
is that van gaal in the shades?
and suarez in the back?
and jackie chan?
>>67595605
Just stop posting you retard, Leicester literally won the league this year.
>>67595605
top b8
>>67586739
I can't tell if you're dumb of if you're baiting
>>67595619
and it is global news, I am well aware of this
Now tell me, how many times has this happened?
>>67595605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ySWeQL6Jw
>>67595632
Does it matter you imbecile? You clearly know jack shit about the sport, relegation and its purpose. Stick to your shit franchises and eat a burger.
>>67595605
>Literally having socialism and a monopoly on your leagues
>>67595639
meant for
>>67595588
>>67595566
>tfw went to Selhurst Park to see Klinsmann smash four past Wimbledon.
Good times.
>>67595645
I'm judging from your answer that the answer is this one time, or you don't know because it has literally never happened in anyone's memory
So you were saying?
>>67595605
Let's see
>a team is bad
>lets make it play teams of same caliber
vs
>a team is bad
>let's make every other team worse by giving them access to better players
>>67595671
>what is nottingham forrest
And my comment was relating to your retarded claim regarding promotion.
Imbecile
>>67595682
you skipped the part where the bad teams play the "same caliber" teams for decades at a time because they can't dig themselves out of the financial hole they are thrown into
>>67595702
Some sink and some swim.
It's the nature of the game. More often than not, following a team is a long, arduous march. My side has been relegated twice in ten years and lost four promotion play-offs.
It's fucking brutal but I wouldn't have it any other way.
>>67595724
>It is what it is
That is the dumbest response to justify that terrible system I have ever seen
>>67595734
I don't have to justify anything though.
>>67595748
You do if you want to claim it's a good system
>>67595724
Which team?
>>67589397
>being this fucking new
lurk more faggot
>>67595759
Its you who's claiming it's not good. He needs to justify jack shit as its a long established system that not only works, but has worked for decades in every country in the world. Oh, bar the US and some literal who's perhaps.
But yeah, having a bunch of corporate suits decide who should play in a league based on revenue projections is such a better system, amirite.
>>67595702
>they're thrown in
They throw themselves in you imbecile. If Aston Vila can't compete in the EPL despite the money and despite the disadvantaged the 3 newly promoted teams have (and they only need to finish above them to avoid relegation) they not only deserve to be in a financial hole they also deserve to fuck off for a decade in it.
Unlike in your head, where inefficiency, bad management and poor decision making should mean the club needs to be rewarded with freebies, draft picks or whatever the fuck you do in your shit tier franchise leagues while the actually successful clubs that got somewhere with effort and good management should be locked out of the top flight unless some fuck in a suit thinks it would make him money in which case they'll make an "expansion".
>>67595762
Blades OBVIOUSLY
>>67595878
Cool, so a system that suppresses the already subdued and props up the privileged
Sounds like the american economic system
>>67592744
>Americans will never know the joy of their team beating Bayern in their own backyard.
>Americans will never seat in front of their TVs with their thumbs clutched as the penalty shootout commences.
>Americans will never know the drama of the relegation battle but they will hope that their team ends up the worst in the league so they get number one seed.
>>67595878
must be fun watching the same 3 teams win all the time, woowee
>>67595929
The promotion/relegation system is the complete opposite of what you're claiming. If a club is managed poorly and is shit with its money, can't stay competitive they deserve to be relegated while a smaller club that's better run and is competitive has a chance to become one of the big boys. Leicester was in the 3rd tier of English football not 10 years ago. Today they're the Champions. Something completely impossible in the US. If you want a comparison: The promotion/relegation system is like social mobility, you can move up or down. The US system is like a cast system in India, where you're born into it.
Its your closed franchise system that's based on anything but merit that does what you're saying.
>>67595968
Must be fun having your team move to a new state because it makes them more money while you're stuck with some low league team that can't eve reach the top flight as its against the rules.
Good job.
>>67595975
>it's like a cast system
except that comparison doesn't work you fucking idiot, each sport just has the league of that sport, not some hell hole you have to dig yourself out of because you just barely missed the cut to get a big fat cash bonus. How many times have they won the Championship? Once right? Be honest, how long will their run last, a year maybe? Fact is these teams don't have the same revenue as the big clubs because they are always shit. So you get a bunch of faggot bandwagoners who "have always been" Man U fans when they should be Hot Spur fans or something shit like that
It's a retarded economic system that is directly responsible for teams like Man U and Liverpool to go on decades-long domination runs. I can hardly believe that it hasn't been changed yet
>>67595600
British Getafe
>>67596047
>except that comparison doesn't work you fucking idiot
It works to a T imbecile. You can't get into your shitty franchise league on merit. It's factually impossible. You have to be "born" into it by other means.
>not some hell hole you have to dig yourself out of because you just barely missed the cut to get a big fat cash bonus.
Oh, yeah, competition is bad! Bad! We should arbitrarily pick which teams should compete because it doesn't matter which team deserves it on MERIT, no ,no, no. Right? Teams should be rewarded for failure. Teams that have hundreds of millions of dollars and can't out compete teams that have 1/10 of that should be pampered and given freebies. Right? Lets reward failure on all levels and punish good work and success. For each team relegated there's a team that's promoted you absolute retard and both get what's coming to them on merit not some arbitrary decision based on revenue you fuckface.
Leicester should go back into the 3rd league and Aston Villa should not be relegated because in your retarded mind that's unfair. In your retarded mind being the better team does not mean you should actually be treated like a better team or given a higher reward.
>How many times have they won the Championship? Once right? Be honest, how long will their run last, a year maybe?
Doesn't matter, imbecile, if it lasts 100 years or 1 it doesn't matter.
> Fact is these teams don't have the same revenue as the big clubs because they are always shit.
YET SOMEHOW TEAMS WITH AN EVEN BIGGER REVENUE ARE SHITTIER YET HERE YOU ARE ARGUING THAT THOSE SHITTIER TEAMS SHOULD BE GIVEN MORE MONEY AND MORE FREEBIES.
>social mobility based on merit is baad
>sports shouldn't be based on merit either but on revenue projections
You are retarded and I'm not even saying that to insult you, I'm just stating a fact. Like saying the sky is blue or that you're a fat fuck.
>>67592744
>And you will never know the joy of winning a championship how it should be won, not by having the best record, but by winning a championship game.
You'll never know the feeling of being a extreme-minnow national team in the beautiful game actually getting back into the FIFA WC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZ4n-9LS50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN5utBLtuU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9p7JmJpTIE
You should also never know the joy of doing a mild Leicester at the FIFA Club World Cup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKS0BEg17uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI4q5uyKO0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3560zFZAt4
>>67577466
Build wall.
>>67595878
Go to bed america, you've just been served.
>>67595411
then compare to something else
50 editions with 21 winners and the guy is saying the parity is the same as any soccer competition.
Madrid has 500 champions league titles and Barcelone won half of the last 30
>>67595629
nice argument
i said Leicester has a bilionaire as owner and that they had at least 1/100 chance pf winning the epl this year
what exactly is bait about that ?
>>67593835
>No one gives a shit about the FA cup
You're a fucking clown.
>>67596177
In order for a cast system to work YOU NEED DIFFERENT CASTS YOU FUCKING CUNT. American sports have their pro teams and then THAT'S IT, not some other league level, so again your analogy is fucking idiotic to the point of how in the fuck can you be that stupid.
Seriously, what the fuck do they even attempt to teach you dumb faggots in your shitty balkan cesspools?
There is a difference between "competition" and creating a massive disparity between smaller market clubs and huge ones where there is already enough to make it heavily favor the Man U's of the soccer world
You can take this one instance in the last 25 years and wave it around all you want, fact remains that your crap system only helps a handful of already very wealthy teams 95% of the time
So again, have fun watching the same 3 teams win again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again
Thrilling stuff
>>67609148
>In order for a cast system to work YOU NEED DIFFERENT CASTS YOU FUCKING CUNT
I stopped reading there, retard.
>what are minor leagues
>>67577466
>this grown """""""""man""""""""""" is crying over a football team
l m a o
>>67609247
>what are minor leagues
Minor league teams are subsidiaries of major league teams and are not subject to regulation by the league but are completely controlled by their respective organizations and have individual players, not entire teams, move up and down BASED ON MERIT THAT YOU LOVE UP YOUR ASS SO MUCH
So you know, not a fucking caste system, give up you bumbling faggot
>>67609403
WRONG minor league teams are teams that can't compete in the major leagues no matter what essentially being forced into becoming feeder clubs and affiliates, which not all are by the way.
Cast system. How retarded are you though?
>>67609461
this is just bad bait at this point
>>67609461
yeah man, my summer league team will never get a shot at winning the World Series
Fucking caste system
>>67609542
>>67609585
>these retardes
Top lel.
>muh caste system is better because it makes owners more money
>relegation/promotion is unfair because teams aren't sorted by revenue but by merit
>muh revenue makes teams unable to compete, that's why one of the richest clubs in the world is getting relegated this season (Newcastle) and Bournemouth is staying up while Leicester are the champions
How does it feel being a retard? How does it feel that the only reason you have such a retarded league system is so that owners have minimal risk involved and will keep making money of you no matter how bad the teams are or how incompetent their owners? How does it feel to have socialist policies in multi billion dollar sports while you're on foodstamps? I laugh at your worthless shithole of a country that you will defend because you're fucking losers and can't accept being fucked over by yourselves?
Top kek.
>>67610406
>Slovenia talking about shithole countries
pfffft!
>>67610672
The sad part is when you have to use a random picture from who knows where and all I have to do is type east st. louis, or any of the other hundreds of american shitholes, into google.
>>67610745
As you'll recognize from your war torn childhood he is wearing a UN Peacekeeper helmet, trying his best to keep you savages from committing genocide against each other
ok this is getting old, pull him
