So, /sp/, Leicester was in the 18th place in terms of possession by the end of the tournament.
Opinions?
>arselel
when will they learn?
you can just feel the shitsenal asspain when they start talking about how they controlled the match with muh possession
>Arsenal
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It's expected. How do you expect them to play possession football with semi-pros? They used the counter well, held on to may cagey 1-0's and won the title well
>>67339848
*many
The success of Leicester and Atletico Madrid pretty much ended possession based football and ushers in an era of ultra defensive counter attacking football.
>muh possession
Means nothing, there's been an obvious shift towards counter and/or pressing football in the last few years.
I think there is one thing that Leicester benefited from though. When teams go to Etihad/Old Trafford/Stamford Bridge/Emirates/Anfield they often sit deep and are happy with the draw. Teams still came and tried to attack Leicester, which allowed them to masterfully counter attack them.
Next year if teams are just gonna camp in their own box and hope to steal something from a set piece, i'm interested to see how Leicester respond
>>67339875
Didn't Klopp's Dortmund start that trend? They weren't ultra defensive, but their whole gameplan revolved around counterattacks iirc
>>67339914
They were probably the first team who succeeded so much with the gegenpress, half of Germany does it now though
>>67339911
>Teams still came and tried to attack Leicester, which allowed them to masterfully counter attack them.
How is it that none of the top clubs except Arsenal and (arguably) Spurs and United figured them out? As late as March, we were still seeing teams trying to go after Leicester and getting destroyed on the counter.
>>67339938
I guess there was still a subconscious thing of "cmon it's only Leicester, they can't keep going. Let's just try beat them".
Next season it's gonna be really interesting to see how teams adapt when they go to the KP. also how Leicester adapt when there's different pressures, and more matches, for them to deal with
>>67339938
Arsenal didn't figure them out at all. They did exactly what you quoted and that's why Leicester scored too.
The first win was before Leicester started defending properly and when Sanchez had one of his only good games this season.
And the second win had nothing to do win "figuring them out".
Can't speak on Spurs and Utd though.
Rip ticky tacky
They've chosen not to have possession.
It's smart, they've proven that when they have to use possession they can still win games.
It's not counter attacking football, it's attacking football. It's how the game should be played. Have a mighty attack when on the ball, and a mighty attack when defending the ball.
>>67339744
Ohboy i defnitely cannot wait Poop exposed hard next season
>>67339990
Spurs didn't figure them out, not did United.
Klopp did because he's installing the same methods. Liverpool away is the only game Leicester have been outplayed and tactically outdone.
>>67339914
>Klopp's Dortmund
>ultra defensive counter attacking football
lmao
>>67339875
Atletico and Leicester played this way mostly only against "big teams", if you watch both of them play against other teams they actually controlled the game and played as the dominant side, this is even more obvious with Atletico
>>67340027
>Klopp did because he's installing the same methods.
How? Leicester always sit deep in 2 banks of 4 with at least 1 striker behind the halfway line and absorb pressure. Klopp's teams go full on pressing.
They're literal opposites when it comes to defending
>chokesal
>>67340046
That's true for Atletico, they're much more versatile because of creative players like Koke, Griezmann or Carrasco and full backs that can contribute in attack.
Leicester only win the possession battle against relegation candidates. Their only creative player is Mahrez (maybe Drinkwater too) and their full backs rarely cross the halfway line in open play
>>67340052
>arsonballs
There's been a marked shift since Leicester beat City in how they're treated. Teams try to contain them and frustrate them now. And for most of the game they do. But Leicester are masterfully efficient and at some stage the opposing team will overcommit and they'll get BTFO on the counter
Pep btfo
That is beautiful. Possession babbies BTFO
>gegenpress
the word alone doesn't even make sense. the ultimate fucking meme
>>67339914
>Klopp's Dortmund
Fucking please. Mou is the one who brought back catenaccio with Porto, Chelsea and Inter. Just look at Inter's CL win, that was already a year before Klopp won his first bundes and that was already when Mou was starting to decline.
>>67340301
>catenaccio
Stop using this word if you don't know what it means. Catenaccio isn't a synonym of "defensive football".
Also Klopp and Mourinho are almost nothing alike.
>>67340027
>Klopp did because he's installing the same methods.
No he's not. Leicester sit back and wait to hoof it ahead to Vardy, Klopp's teams press the opposition and are always looking to attack. Even against big clubs, Klopp doesn't park the bus. Remember the two wins over Man City, or the 3-3 against Arsenal?
no need for possession when you can sit deep and wait for a counter or even better a gifted penalty.
>autists who say "Gegenpressing" instead of just "pressing"
>>67340312
>Catenaccio isn't a synonym of "defensive football".
I never said that, you're just making shit up I didn't say so you can try and appear to be smart.
I said, Mou brought back catenaccio. THAT brought back defensive football in general as a result. I never said catenaccio was a synonym for defensive football.
Get the fuck out.
>>67340449
>Mou brought back catenaccio.
No, he didn't. His teams never played anything like catenaccio and almost no modern teams have.
>>67340462
>His teams never played anything like catenaccio and almost no modern teams have.
Confirmed for not knowing shit. Stop posting before you embarrass yourself even more.
>>67340497
hahahahah, no.
Catenaccio was a strict man marking system with a sweeper in defence. Mourinho's teams never played like that. The only modern team that adopted something akin to traditional catenaccio was Greece in 2004
>>67340521
>being this stupid
m8, nobody plays with liberos anymore, it really doesn't apply.
Just like possession football is an offshoot of Dutch total football, modern defensive football is an offshoot of catenaccio. Pep's cancerlona is pretty much total football, and Mou's Inter (especially against his cancerlona) was pretty much catenaccio.
Again, you're just nitpicking to appear smart, when what you're saying really doesn't make sense. Tactics change over time, and old tactics become irrelevant, but that doesn't mean we have to name new tactics every 5-10 years.
Total football was the counter to catenaccio 40 years ago, now catenaccio is coming back to counter total football. It's still the same back-and-forth, with inspired tactics that have root in the original battle of the tactics half a century ago.
Bored now, bye.
>>67340713
No, Mourinho's Inter was not "pretty much catenaccio" because they defended in a fundamentally different way from traditional catenaccio. it's not a case of changing some details, it's a case of having a system that's almost nothing alike catenaccio.
>>67340735
*nods respectfully*
>>67339914
Dortmund's possession stats were second only to Bayern's for years.
They only countered against teams like Real.
