I'LL DROP MULLER, THAT'S A GOOD TRICK!
>poopy
Anti football wins again
>poop
What the fuck does he even think doing shit like that? He runs Costa and Coman for maximum box pressure but benches Mueller for 70 minutes. How fucking stupid is he?
NOW THIS IS STATPADDING
Is he unironically, memes aside, the worst ""top"" manager in the world?
Say what you want about Klopp at Dortmund, Mourinho at Chelsea, van Gaal at United etc.
But this man has the strongest squad by far and he still is struggling to even make the final. And this is after easy as fuck draws too.
Worst "top" manager in the world? I think so.
>>67149407
>See Barcelona get stumped in Athletico's stadium trying to play possession football
>"gee, let my drop a striker and do the same thing!"
>Believing in the poop meme
>S-save me Messi/Robben!
what a fraud
Do people still rate him? He literally took a team that was the perfect combination of physical power and technical ability and turned them into a bunch of whiny bitches
>know that your opponents are going to sit back
>know you're up against the greatest defence in the world
>have one of the most intelligent forwards in the world at your disposal
>bench him
>yfw he gets exposed at shitty next year
FUCKING POOP
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
>>67149618
>>have one of the most intelligent forwards in the world at your disposal
Who? Muller? Didn't do shit either
>>67149677
are you retarded?
Didn't watch the game.
What happened? Did they not play Muller?
>>67149711
Don't watch Bayern much so really don't know who you're talking about. Why so mean ;_;
>Poop
>Hack
>Messi-babby
>Will not win anything besides some Mickey Mouse cup with Manchester City
Pick all desu senpai
Gonna love seeing this kind of shit at citeh
>>67149671
Eat more fiber.
>they literally paid him €60m to win nothing
KEK
>bayern before pep
won the treble with a strong german core, both technically and physically strong
>bayern after pep
not even cl finals, all germans replaced by overrated spics, also full of midgets and now the shortest team in germany
wow such goat manager
great legacy
>>67149407
wtf happened to Gotze is he dead?
>>67149466
but bayern lost?
>>67149866
I thought he was at Liverpool
>>67149850
B-but Xabi Alonso is ten times better than Pigfucker ... Thiago is the next Messi! Douglas Costa is literally the best player in the world right now, he got 2 assists against Darmstadt!
>>67149466
What's anti-football about AM? Because they're defensive sound and disciplined?
It's not as if they deploy bus-parking 8-man defence tactics like Mourinho does.
>>67149498
He is not even top IMO.
>>67149850
It worked for Barcelona. I'm sure it's gonna work for Bayern. They just have to get used to it :^)
>hired to win the treble
>wins the treble... of semi-final exits
POOP FRAUDIOLA
>Müllel is now better than Lewandowski
/sp/ sure is retarded sometimes but poop should have played him today
>>67149727
No, wouldn't have made difference though. AM were were fucking solid.
>Buyern and Poop
Jupp's team was twice as good.
Funny how his German actually has gotten worse since he started.
>>67149919
Except he is.
>>67149755
muellar is literally ronaldo/messi tier and bayern's stand out player
in fact, he's better than ronaldo
>>67149755
he was on the bench for 70 minutes m8. he didn't do much but Coman pretty much spent the day failing to pick out chances to cross.
>"I'm leaving Bayern because I want a new challenge"
>Hasn't even won everything there is to win with Bayern in 3 years
>Thinks he'll be able to handle a non one team league with more cup competitions and no winter break
I can't wait to see him crash and burn.
Taking a 1-0 lead to the allianz
Top kek
>>67149850
This.
Bayern (and every team in fact) should have a strong native core and not hire some spic mercenaries who can do fancy tricks against Ausburg and Dynamo Kiev but are absolute shites against a good team
>>67149988
Your German doesn't improve if you're living in Bavaria.
>>67149621
i cant wait
>>67150026
>>67150023
I can't wait to see him being crushed and win nothing.
>m-muh best manager ever
>I can do it without Messi, Iniesta and Xavi
>>67150079
This desu... and they actually thought they'd destroy Real at home...
AAAAAAH MESSI HELP ME ITS TOO HARD
>>67150023
>Pep: I will have infinite money and no rivals there, should be easy to walk the treble.
>>67150096
Do what? Get beat in the CL by the team that goes on to win it?
>>67150023
>Pep getting Pulis'd and losing 0-1 after retaining 95% of possession
>>67150156
Yes, because this method applies in the CL.
>i enjoy anti football
>>67149498
>And this is after easy as fuck draws too.
Athletico and Juventus are easy draws?
>>67149466
MUH POSSESSION
>>67150023
>non one team league
He won with Barcelona 3 years out of 4.
>>67150192
>Pep getting raped 3-0 at the Brittania on a cold comfy Boxing Day
>>67149806
>>67150430
>pulis
>stoke
>the current year
cannot CANNOT wait for this casual ultra babby tier my first football genius manager to be exposed as fuck in the Premier League next season
>>67149806
kek
>>67150208
>I use the term anti football unironically
>i rank pep
>>67150476
I never said Pulis is at Stoke anymore.
>Pep getting nutted by Pardew for criticising his tactics
>>67150552
Sorry, I thought you meant that by quoting that post.
>pep getting butthurt with journos asking him meaningless bollocks
>>67150491
Bollocks he will.
>>67150531
Top clubs do, top managers do, edgy kids on the web don't
>>67150578
>Pep walking out of Geoff Shreeves interview
>>67150613
top clubs do dumb shit all the time though
Will Pep be sacked earlier if they lose next week?
>>67150079
this gif should be a loop gif
>>67150721
You mean employ trophy-winning managers?
>>67150740
makes sense to fire a couch two weeks before his contract ends
>>67150740
Why will they sack him, when he's leaving at the end of the season anyway?
>>67150692
>pep interviewed by gary lineker on MOTD
>>67150754
yeah worked out so well for united and chelsea
>>67150692
I cannae wait for the new season.
>>67150773
>>67150775
It would be pretty symbolic and also let the world know how much of a hack he is.
>>67150797
You mean Chelsea who won the PL last season? Man U who are in a FA final this year?
Remember when BM actually sign Pep; they'd not won the CL in over a decade, they were trophyless in nearly 3 seasons. BVB were the top team in Germany. Id made perfect sense from them to approach a manager who had been immensely successful at Barca.
>>67150891
>that flag
>that opinion
FFS, just leave.
>>67149498
>Klopp at Dortmund
took a squad made of subpar player to two bundes titles and a cl final
>Mourinho at Chelsea
year one : good season
year two : title
year three : collapse
everything went as planned
>van Gaal at United
took a United team which was left in shambles by SAF, slowly rebuilt it all. Has to play boring possession because there's no other choice with his current squad. Although he spent excessively, I am sure this team will do something worthy of admiration in less than 5 years after his departure
>>67149466
>Implying there isn't a lot of tactical work in such a great deffense
>Implying football is only about attacking
I thought british knew more about this sport than murricans
>>67150948
He's probably a Jock.
>>67149850
>10/11 - Bayern won 0 titles (zero) (null)
>11/12 - Bayern won 0 titles (zero) (null)
>12/13 - Bayern won the treble. Almost got knocked out in 1/8 by Arselol though
-----------------------Poop arrives-----------------------
>13/14 - Bundes and German cup
>14/15 - Bundes
>15/16 - Bundes
I don't see such a difference, and I ain't even a poop fan nor anything but cmon'
I'm complimenting him. He's completely outwitted Simeone there imo, nobody would expect the opposition manager to leave their key attacker out of a champions league semi final. Genius.
Peps teams go into big game like its a friendly match. no intensity. Playing little 2 yard passes to each other. Atletico was always gonna win
>>67151090
Confirmed for not even watching this match.
>>67151090
Meanwhile, Simeone is active on the touchline and stirring up the Vicente Calderon like a maestro.
ATLEEETI
ATLEEETI
ATLÉEEETICO DEEEE MAAAADRIIIID
https://twitter.com/CholismoATM/status/725445199426637825
>>67149498
His performance at Bayern only shows that you can put any donkey in Barcelona and Messi will still make you win titles.
Pep and Enrique are not top tier managers, they just happen to have gotten lucky by having the absolute GOAT at their disposal.
>>67151238
This is what retards think.
>>67150946
>a United team which was left in shambles by SAF
I fucking hate him so much
When he gets fired, imagine, he will be forced to become a Spic Maid in some fucking rich persons mansion, but he will fuck that up as well.
On his first day in the Mansion he will walk in and see beautiful marble floors, paintings by the finest artists and excellent standards of cleanliness. Does he leave it, and clean messes as they appear?
No he doesn't because he is fucking Pep the autist. Pepspergers syndrome takes over. He replaces every single vase in the mansion with a miniature Spanish Vase because 'they exploit the space in the mansion more effectively' even though they are basically invisible. He would go into the master bedroom and put exotic fish in the bedsheets and the pillows in the aquarium 'to experiment' and then at the fucking Maid awards ceremony would be declared the most genius Maid in all existence.
He would spend his days standing in the halls of the mansion pulling autistic facial expressions and shouting at cobwebs that are making their first ever game in the mansion for not growing in the exact autistic way he has asked them to.
Maybe he would be linked to go and work as a maid in some oil sheik mansion, how could that fail.
But Pep would always be a shit Maid for the same reason he will always be a shit manager. No Messi, Pep finds it impossible to be tidy.
>>67151294
>autism
>>67151090
this, bayern have always been arrogant but poop made them disappear up their own arses
>>67151252
You think Luis Enrique is a great manager?
Because in his first season with Barca he picked up the treble. In his second season he's on course for the league and Copa. Do you think that's him or Messi? Enrique is average at best. A lot of the time he has no idea how to help his team. Some times he's even detrimental to Barca.
Anyone can look like a good manager when they've got Messi in top form.
This is definitely true for Pep as well, at least to an extent. So far in his career he's walked in to two of the greatest squads of a generation.
>>67151294
Is this a pasta?
>>67151389
Why do people like you conveniently forget just how shit Barca were in the two seasons prior to Pep arriving?
>>67151389
Messi ran 7km against Atleti. No stamina anymore.
You were right yet again /sp/.
Best manager of all time.
>mfw Ancelotti is our manager next year and that poop will be gone
murderball or defenceball?
>>67151482
>our
>>67150971
Rasheed please.
>>67151434
This. I bet Guardiola would turn Sergi Roberto into the next Xavi if the returned to Barcelona.
>>67151434
They were champions league winners 2 years before Pep came in. And CL semi finalists in the year before he came in.
Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol were crowned European Champions in the summer before Pep took charge.
His biggest decision at that time was letting go of a fat Ronaldinho and Deco who didn't care any more. And sanctioning a deal for Alves, a player everyone knew was great.
Pep, in his genius, also realised that this Messi guy was quite good and maybe he should play him.
The idea that Guardiola turned things around for Barca is a myth. They were destined for greatness with or without him.
>>67149903
>It's not as if they deploy bus-parking 8-man defence tactics
No, they park 10-11 like they did against Barcelona
>>67151537
What part of "two seasons prior" did you not understand?
>The idea that Guardiola turned things around for Barca is a myth
It's fact.
>>67151498
faggot
>>67151541
>that flag
>that opinion
>>67151589
Even if you believe that he turned things around, given the state of that Barca squad this was not a monumental achievment.
>>67151537
not really, both xavi and iniesta weren't really considered important players prior to guardiola
not to mention he dropped yaya toure who went on to become one of the best in the premier league to play some kid called busquets and it was unironically the right decision
he also started utilising messi's talent to the fullest by giving him a free role not just limiting him to the wing
>americlap analysis
>>67151643
it is, barcelona's squad, even though they won the CL 2 years before that, was absolute garbage. and the way they played was garbage as well.
>le pass to ronaldinho and wait out until he works something out
let's not forget the unironic purchases of zambrotta and thuram, both of whom were flops
>>67151589
>It's fact.
Great argument.
Messi turned Barcelona around. Barca have continued to win league titles and the CL with Messi whilst Pep has floundered against any good teams put in his path - often losing badly. Pep is currently working with by far the strongest team in a league that can just buy their only rival's best players every summer. In the CL he continually gets outwitted in the games that matter.
>>67151675
Xavi had just won player of the tournament at Euros. Iniesta has always been important to Barca.
Messi dictated where he played.
>>67151643
>was not a monumental achievment.
Winning the treble in your first season. Winning six trophies in a year. 3 League titles, two CLs and 2 CdRs in 4 seasons. Setting all kinds of incredible records. Having a philosophy and style that defined a team, that is studied and talked about and debated constantly.
If this isn't a "monumental achievement", then by all means tell us what is and tell us why so many 'greats' cannot manage this level of success, because it seems to me the easiest way to spot a retard who knows absolutely fuck all about football is the way they shit all over Pep.
>>67151722
Pep turned Barca around, not Messi.
>>67151716
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5201744.stm
>signing players from a club involved in calciopoli
>rijkaard's barca
>>67149407
I haven't watched Bayern much this season but has he fucking ran a back line with no true cbs this season? I mean why the fuck would he have a defense consisting of alaba, bernat, lahm and Martinez? Was he actually playing 3 in the back with lahm at cdm?
>>67151742
>Xavi had just won player of the tournament at Euros.
>for barcelona
>Iniesta has always been important to Barca
he really wasn't, he was barely utilised prior to guardiola
messi was just a random speedy winger prior to guardiola
>>67151696
lool
>>67151696
They were right tho
>>67149806
Nice one mane
You guys are so retarded it hurts.
You don't even know what it's like to coach a division 1 team of 16 year olds at the local club leagues, let alone one of the top 5 best teams in the entire fucking sport.
You don't know what goes through Pep's mind (a player who played at the highest level) as he sits in his bunker watching clip after clip of Atletico play looking to inch out an advantage or exploit a weakness.
SAUL
>>67151757
All things that great player did not him, if philosophy meant shit he would be doing the same thing again, will you have the same opinion when he fails miserably again at city?
in my opinion bayern fans are just mad because he sorted out overrated german players
imo pep did really well at bayern give it 1 more year and he would maybe win CL ... oh wait he already got bullied out
>>67152094
>>67152032
put an eyepatch over his right eye
>>67151389
Luis Enrique is abysmal.
>>67151775
Good argument, m8.
>>67149498
At the first half of every Pep's season his teams feel ultra-dominant and unbeatable. This is how he tricks everyone and passes as goat manager
Saul Goodman, 'saul good
>>67151842
Iniesta (along with Larsson) was the reason Barca won the CL final 2006.
>>67152142
And in the 2nd half he wins 2 CLs, 6 league titles and 3 national cups.
That damn trickster tricking everyone
>>67152130
this
>>67152057
And then not finding that weakness? And then being on course to get embarrassingly BTFO in CL for the third year in a row?
>>67151537
>And CL semi finalists in the year before he came in
Wow, they managed to beat Celtic and >schalke to get to the semis before getting outclassed by United. You're absolutely correct, this proves they were a great team in 2008
>>67152093
>will you have the same opinion when he fails miserably again at city?
>fails miserably again at city
>fails miserably again
I can only assume you've got lesions on your brain.
>>67152209
Is Ferguson a fraud as well? Because there were times when he was getting embarrassingly BTFO in the CL with one of the strongest teams in Europe for almost 10 years in a row.
>>67152131
Thanks.
>>67152175
>one pass was the reason why won the whole tournament
>>67151610
>tg
>tt
>has no eyes
kys
>>67152252
Kek
>>67152214
I'm a United fan and remember it very clearly. United didn't outplay Barca at all. It was extremely tight over both games. An extremely disciplined defensive performance from United in the second leg saw them through.
>>67152318
Barcelona created nothing over both legs and were lucky that Donaldo choked an early penalty at the Camp Nou or it would've been over in the 1st leg. All they did was pass the ball to Messi and hope he dribbles past 5 players while he was only able to get past 2
>>67152252
That fucking brit poster is or a dumb fucking moron or just trolling, because most of his posts are complete BS
>>67151675
>not really, both xavi and iniesta weren't really considered important players prior to guardiola
>>67152246
Remind me of when Ferguson got destroyed 5-0 on aggregate with one of the best teams in Europe at his disposal..
There are ways to lose games. You can lose well or badly. Pep's team has been taken apart in the last two CL - losing horribly. Tonight he fucked up again, dropping Muller and playing diminutive players that Atletico are experts at frustrating.
>>67152246
>strongest teams in Europe for almost 10 years in a row
That never happened.
>>67152252
>>67152398
I said final, not tournament. Please improve comprehension.
>>67152246
>a fraud
A little bit. His last 6 years were based though (apart from when Man Utd went out in the group stage). 3 CL finals plus they were better than Bayern Munich and probably a little better than a stacked Real Madrid. Just couldn't fuck with Barcelona. BTFO of Inter too but that was only in Mourinho's first year.
>>67152370
>All they did was pass the ball to Messi and hope he dribbles past 5 players while he was only able to get past 2
this, he would run into scholes every time and they would go all over again
I do remember Barcelona having 98% possession at one point
>>67152453
But it did.
>>67151842
>messi was just a random speedy winger prior to guardiola
Top fucking kek. Are you baiting?
Everyone at Barca knew he was the GOAT before he was 15.
>>67152453
>United
>not one of the strongest teams in Europe since the early 90s
The only time when it wasn't true was 2005 and 2006
>>67152529
And he wasn't living up to that potential until Pep arrived.
>>67152529
Get the fuck out of here. Messi was a promise the same way Tevez was, but nobody could predict he would become this good
>>67152574
M8, he finished 3rd in Ballon d'Or voting in 2007 and 2nd in 2008. Messi was a top 5 player in the world at the age of 20 when Guardiola arrived
>>67151842
Ronaldinho said in 2006 that he wasn't even the best player at Barca. Messi was a first team player from around that time. Xavi and Iniesta weren't really that prominent though, Deco was more that star midfielder. But, then again, I have no idea what i'm talking about.
>>67152550
United, and English football, was in a fucking state in the early 90s. The standard of football was shit and so was United in the context of Europe's best teams.
The country was still suffering major hangover from the Heysel ban.
>>67152425
I wouldn't call losing 3-5 to Barcelona "losing badly" or "btfo", the first Messi magic match had a lot of chances for Bayern to draw that match.
This morning they tried to stretch Ateltico and failed athough they did get off a lot of shots and force a lot of saves, it could have gone either way. Better luck next match - 1 home goal hardly decides the final result.
>>67152574
Wow, Messi began to hit form in his early twenties. Just like every other footballer.
It must be Pep!
>>67152590
No. Everyone at the club knew he was destined for greatness.
>all these fucking halfwits trying to shit on the career of a successful football manager
ellohell. never change /sp/
>>67150946
David moyes coached united before van gaal actually
>>67152425
Three of the goals in the second leg came from set pieces, I'd hardly call that being taken apart. And 3-5 against Barcelona isn't that bad.
>>67152610
Ssssshhhhhhhh
Everything is Pep. Messi was just some winger before Pep turned up.
>>67152682
Wow, Messi began to hit form in his early twenties. Just like every other footballer
Except it was literally like the switch of a light bulb with Messi before and after Guardiola. He didn't gradually become that good, Guardiola immediately transformed him and Barcelona (and the whole of football for that matter) when he arrived
>>67152682
okay but false nine, ma nigga. am I the only one who false nines around here? i'm not being ironic either.
>>67152610
There's a massive fucking difference between being 3rd or 2nd place in Ballon dor and being what Messi became after Guardiola.
>>67152590
Stop embarrassing yourself, guy was promised to be the next maradona since he was 13 literally bought to barca when still a kid. Tevez was born and raised in poverty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfhhEKCovQ
if some of you claiming guardiola had no special impact at the squad and the way they play actually watched some of the 05-08 barcelona games, you would realise just how absolutely dogshit football was back then, and how guardiola's barcelona and rijkaard's barcelona are like barcelona and daggenham
>>67149806
HUE HUE HUE
>>67152669
The first Barca - Bayern game was so decisive that the return leg meant nothing.
Pep completely fucked up at the Nou Camp. He stretched his team leaving his midfielders the impossible task of covering the entire pitch for the entirety of the match. Messi exploited the space between the Bayern midfield and defence and ended the tie before a ball was kicked at the Allianz.
What's worse is that Pep had a blueprint (Heynckes' victory 2 years before) and the players at his disposal to play on the counter.
To anyone saying Messi was nothing special before Guardiola arrived: get a fucking grip and watch this, it's an 18 year old Messi playing in the CL away against the best defence in the world and the champions of the best league in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D3sXXVjtAo
Guardiola of course deserves a lot of credit for what he did there but Messi would be GOAT even if they hired Moyes
>>67152809
>show some footage of Messi as a babby
>this proves people thought he was going to become great or it proves that he was going to become great
ok, buddy
>>67152842
>What's worse is that Pep had a blueprint (Heynckes' victory 2 years before)
He had a blueprint of beating a team that was forced to start a one legged Messi and that had a coach literally dying of cancer. You'd have a point if someone tore Messi's hamstring and infected Luis Enrique with cancer before the first leg
>>67152768
"This award says I'm the best player in the world, but I'm not even the best player at Barcelona." -Ronaldinho, 2006
That was 2006. Messi was voted the 3rd best in the world in 2007 and the 2nd best in 2008, then 1st in 2009.
It was very much a gradual, steady climb for Messi towards greatness.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>67151294
really underrated
>>67152842
>What's worse is that Pep had a blueprint (Heynckes' victory 2 years before) and the players at his disposal to play on the counter.
Yes because that's exactly the same situation.
>>67152771
Messi's decision. Pep was playing him on the right of Eto'o and Ibrahimovic until Messi decided that he wanted to play through the middle.
Ibrahimovic has said as much.
>>67152842
>and the players at his disposal to play on the counter.
They were all injured, he didn't.
>>67152809
>let me show you this video with opportunistic people now showing how much faith they had in Messi from the beginning, even though there a thousand similar cases of kids being praised every day and never really getting nowhere
>>67152884
My favourite one is back in 2004 or 2005 when Kobe Bryant visited Barcelona during their USA tour and the first thing Ronaldinho told him was "Come, I'll show you the kid who will be the best ever"
>>67152877
The way to beat Barca has always been on the counter.
That's how Real and Atletico have beaten them recently. Everyone knows that's how you play Barca.
Pep was just too stubborn with >muh philosophy to play that way.
Counter attacking certainly doesn't guarantee you victory against Barca but it gives you a far better chance than the retarded tactics Pep employed against them in 2015.
>>67152884
>>67152973
>muh Paul Scholes tier quotes
>>67153043
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/eye-on-soccer/25461325/kobe-bryant-reveals-how-ronaldinho-introduced-him-to-young-messi
here's source (with video)
>>67152918
He had Muller and Lewandowski.
You don't need Robben to play counter attacking football. Atletico manage just fine with Torres.
>>67152911
>Messi's decision
Shut the fuck up. Guardiola saw some space for Messi to exploit while watching some tapes and told Messi to do it before the 6-2 against RM in 2009.
I feel like you guys don't understand how amazing this was. You have people talking about how 2015 Barca was better because of the players without looking at how they played. 5-0 against RM was an amazingly dominant performance - don't talk about the 4-0, it's not the same - and the CL final in 2011 is the most one-sided CL final I have ever seen.
>>67153043
I can't believe that you'd go as far as to deny Messi's extremely obvious greatness from a young age as an argument for Pep being great.
It's just flat-out retarded and leaves you without any credibility.
>>67153091
>have people talking about how 2015 Barca was better because of the players without looking at how they played. 5-0 against RM was an amazingly dominant performance - don't talk about the 4-0, it's not the same - and the CL final in 2011 is the most one-sided CL final I have ever seen.
I completely agree with you here. Make no mistake, I can recognise Pep is a good manager, I just don't think he's proved himself to be a great one yet. That 5-0 win was artistic. But I think Barca's greatness then was owed more to Messi and peak Xavi and Iniesta than Guardiola.
If Ronaldo is better than Messi, how come people don't ask if Ronaldo is the greatest of all time? Checkmate, atheists.
>>67151696
Koke v Vidal is such an American comparison, they do entirely different things for their teams
>>67153072
I didn't mean they were fake, just incredibly opportunistic
All I'm saying is that it's easy to shout "Ha i said Messi was good 10 years ago. I knew he was destined for greatness" AFTER Messi became this monster, which, by the way, only came out after Guardiola.
Nobody, fucking nobody, could predict Messi would be breaking record day and night, because he was just a winger manlet with sick closer ball control skills before Guardiola arrived.
>muh 2005-06 Messi
Yeah, great game against Real Madrid in the Bernabeu and Chelsea in Stamford Bridge for an 18 year old. But what about the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons where he was older but failed (even though he did get into the top 3 for the awards)
What im saying is Guardiola definitely HAD a huge impact on Messi.
>>67153195
But the 5-0, 6-2 and CL final 2011 wins came from Guardiola using Messi as a false nine - his tactics.
People forget Barca won la liga with Tito Vilanova with 100 points but when Messi got injured they lost 7-0 vs Bayer. Proving that Barcelona recent success has to do with Messi being the absolute GOAT. There were plenty games where Guardiola shitted the bed like today with his obtuse tactics and Messi came out to the rescue.
As for Atletico Simeone pretty much perfected the catenaccio and they will win the CL. They have conceded 16 goals in the whole season.
>>67153284
Those players were all on the verge of defensive greatness before Simeone came in.
Also,
>catenaccio
Bayern is plagued with injuries, regardless of your memes when fit this Bayern is the best Bayern, even Krauts know this
>>67153269
>But what about the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons where he was older but failed
The only thing he failed at was winning trophies because he was stuck on a mess of a team with burned out stars and a burned out coach. He was 19 years old and was already the best player on a team with Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Deco, Xavi etc, he just wasn't good enough to carry this mess to league and CL titles.
>>67153284
Tito's Barcelona were godly against shit sides but could never win against stronger sides. Real Madrid were having a party with them most of the time
>>67149498
gotta agree with old wheelin and dealin arry redknapp on this one. put pep at dagenham and redbridge and let's see what he can do
>>67153284
>catencaccio
why do people use that word as a synonym for any defensive tactic? catenaccio does not equal "playing defensively" for fuck's sake it's a very specific man marking tactic that's pretty much extinct.
Actually what Guardiola did in the first 15 minutes of the Barcelona-Bayern final was much closer to catenaccio than anything Simeone ever did.
will he ever be able to do it without Messi?
>>67153343
Injuries are mainly the managar's fault too.
>>67149498
>Mourinho at Chelsea
Yes, never reached a CL final with them despite having a squad far more stacked than any Bayern Munich team.
>>67153346
>The only thing he failed at was winning trophies
And also not being a tenth of the player he became right after after Guardiola arrived
Simeone is a tactical genius
he has literally gotten into the minds of his players and his players know exactly where to move, when to move, what to do with the moves, where to look towards next, and if all those steps fail, clip the opponents leg for a soft foul and reset. He is a fucking mastermind.
>>67149621
i can't see it happening sadly, he'll have an inifite budget at shitty
although i can't wait for his team to get kicked off the pitch at the hawthornes for a 1-0 loss and for him to complain about pulis tactics while pulis just laughs about it
>>67153389
No, poop is a fraud.
>>67153364
And give Redknapp a squad that has a wage bill higher than Atletico Madrid's title winning one and watch him relegate them
>>67153410
even Griezmann was tackling and sliding for interceptions. AMazing.
>>67153425
Because it's not like the other clubs in the PL don't spend huge amounts of money, is it?
i'm actually starting to think pep won't dominate the pl, the home of shit english teams who park the bus all day long. thanks for enlightening me, /sp/!
> poop
>>67153279
Right and I think his tactics are overrated. You don't have to be genius to know that Messi, Iniesta and Xavi might be well suited to possession style of football. It's only the type they've been learning at Barca since they were kids.
You don't have to be a genius to know that playing your best player and finisher through the middle might be advantageous to you. What Pep did wasn't anything new. He just had the right players to do it with.
Take a look at Man Utd for a team with a Cruyff/Barca "philosophy" but without Lionel Messi.
>>67153432
big sam would walk to la liga's title with real madrid/barca/atletico
>>67153457
what do other teams have to do with pep and city? yes other teams will have massive amounts of money to blow on over rated english talent. however pep has shown what he can do with a blank check and an already more than stable side
>>67153404
Except facts would suggest otherwise. It's impossible to argue with you because you're just pointing to the fact that Messi didn't peak at 19 to support your claims.
>>67153637
>man city
>stable
>>67153609
>You don't have to be a genius to know that playing your best player and finisher through the middle might be advantageous to you
Why wasn't Ronaldinho played in the middle then? And it was more than just playing Messi though the middle, it was using him as more than an AM than a CF at times.
>>67153769
aguero, david silva, de bruyne, >hart, otamendi (says a lot that an idiot like nuno can get more out of him than mr pellegrino), kompany, >sterling
plenty enough talent to build a good squad from
>>67153836
Because Ronaldinho was never a great finisher.
Messi isn't the first centre forward to drop deep.
I have to go to bed.
>>67153637
She is lesbian, that's why.
>>67153892
But they aren't stable. That is the point.
Buyern is so insanely overrated. I mean they got outplayed over 90 mins and people claim that Pep is to blame? Jeez
>>67153931
who's to say he can't stablize them?
>>67153892
There's exactly 1.5 of a world class player on that list (KDB and a healthy Aguero)
>>67153982
No one is, but at this moment, they aren't stable.
Stick to ape collide or nigger hoop you dumb cunt.
>>67154065
why are you so mad abdullah?
>>67152862
if you don't know that Messi was a huge promise claimed to be the next GOAT before he even made his debut in Barcelona professionals, then you're probably underage.
>>67154097
Hes just mad because the queen only allows his tv broadcasters to play soccer. When his soccer team gets BTFO he still has to watch soccer. How shit life is in Europe 2/10 would only tourist it again for the prostitutes
>>67154187
don't get me wrong, i like soccer, but i'd go mad if the only sports i had to watch were soccer, ruggers, criket and darts
>>67154097
Why are you so retarded, Ty'Rone?
>>67149466
What team would be anti-soccer
>>67154279
i don't even know what youre even trying to argue at this point
jokes on you, i am black
>no one cares about yanks sports other than yanks
kek
>>67154308
You're a spacker, without a clue, who posts nonsensical things about a sport he doesn't understand.
>>67154317
I like the NBA, it's really not that bad once you get over of your irrational hatred of anything from across the ocean
>>67154356
>irrational hatred of anything from across the ocean
No, it's rational.
>>67154342
what did i say that was nonsensical?
>>67154356
>he likes 50 minutes of meaningless scoring
they literally take turns dumping a ball into a basket
>>67154356
>nigger detected
>>67149498
I would say he's a power bottom
Pep's last 4 CL semi finals away games:
Chelsea: 1-0 L
Madrid: 1-0 L
Barca: 3-0 L
Atleti: 1-0 L
Defend this. No fucking goals in his last 4 CL SF away games.
>>67154553
Yes, that cherry-picked stat completely destroys and undermines his success and achievements as a football manager
>>67154553
Ferguson's 2 CL titles in a billion years of management
Mourinho almost getting Chelsea relegated
Ancelotti choking away the league title every single year with stacked teams
Heynckes winning 6 major trophies in a 35 year long coaching career
defend this, because it totally proves that they're frauds and hacks
>>67151389
It's not the same with Pep at all, overrated though he is proving to be.
>>67154633
>overrated though he is proving to be.
How exactly?
I hope you like my OC.
Im going to assume that all the brit flags desperately defending this fraud are City fans.
>>67154679
He's not winning the treble every year m8, that proves he's a hack.
>>67154730
saved :^)
do i have your permission to repost to /r/soccer?
>>67155008
sure
>>67152169
the hero we need
i can't believe some literal who midfielder just dribbled through half the team and put one past the "worlds best" keeper. everyone just standing around watching like they bought a ticket to see the match.
>>67155906
Same thing happened with Morata in the Juve tie. Buyern are fucking terrible at handling any player with a half decent dribbling skills.
>>67154553
He's too stubborn.
