ITT: boxing fans show MMA fans 10/10 fights and MMA fans show boxing fans 10/10 fights as opposed to arguing which is better.
Boxing:
Jose Luis Castillo vs. Diego Corrales 1
https://youtu.be/rHkX6v6L8kM
MAB-Morales
Gatti-Ward
Trinidad-Vargas
Taylor-Chavez
Corley-Mayweather
Ibeabuchi-Tua
Dunne-Cordoba
Ruelas-Gatti
Barkley-Duran
McClellan-Benn
BLOOD KING
http://bestinmma.blogspot.com/2015/07/robbie-lawler-vs-rory-macdonald-ufc-189.html
Hagler v Hearns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYt5Rz2XlAg
Arturo Gatti v Mickey Ward I
Marco Antonio Barrera v Erik Morales I
Timothy Bradley v Ruslan Provodnikov
Manny Pacquiao v Erik Morales I
Manny Pacquiao v Antonio Margarito
Antonio Margarito v Miguel Cotto I
Riddick Bowe v Evander Holyfield
Frank Shamrock v Tito Ortiz
Igor Vovchancyn v Enson Inoue
BJ Penn v Takanori Gomi
Genki Sudo v Royler Gracie
any mixture of Aerts-Lebanner-Hoost-Bernardo from K-1
Mark Hunt v Ray Sefo
Kaoklai Kaennorsing v Mighty Mo (imo the greatest KO in combat sports history)
>>66990342
never rated it as highly as others do
>>66990456
sacrilege. that's some of the greatest three rounds in boxing m8.
>>66990456
Me either. It was 3 rounds. 3 great rounds mind you, but MABvMorales 1-3 Manny vs.JMM 1,2 and 4 and Ward Augustus are all much better brawls with better rounds than those 3.
>>66990342
Was gonna post this. Amazing man two warriors in their prime. Wonder what happens here if Hagler doesnt break his hand.
Tyson vs Holyfield 1 is the patricians choice for an epic boxing match
I also like to watch the high points of Hopkins career
Boxing is for plebs
"Floyd Mayweathers making fucking sixty million dollars a fight over here and he can't even stop the double leg, I had to go to school in Brazil to learn that shit, I mean these guys can't even fight"
-nick Diaz
>>66990299
Taylor - Chavez I was crazy, the beating Taylor received was brutal and the last minute KO and stoppage made it all better.
do you guys think it was a good stoppage or not?
>>66990548
And most UFC guys can't box to save their lives, so what's your point?
>>66990548
Everyone who confuses any combat sport with real fighting is a teenager or a retard.
MMA is for plebs. All the martial arts on their own are much tougher than MMA. If most MMA did what Nick Diaz it would be better sport. MMA is 95% jacks of all trades master of none who fight like homosexuals on the floor.
But anyway link some good MMA fights.
>>66990429
>Genki Sudo
my brethren, truly the GOAT entertainer
>>66990548
>Tyson vs Holyfield 1 is the patricians choice for an epic boxing match
kek what? Holyfield holding and headbutting a past-it Tyson to a ref stoppage?? literal shit taste there.
wmma
holly holm vs allanna jones
holly holm vs nikki knudsen
holly holm vs julie werner
holly holm vs ronda rousey
ronda rousey vs miesha tate 1
ronda rousey vs alexis davis
cat zingano vs miesha tate
cat zingano vs amanda nunes
joanna jedrzejczyk vs carla esparza
rose namajunas vs paige vanzant
leslie smith vs jessica eye
jessica penne vs lisa ellis
>>66990678
Holyfield Bowe >>>>>>>> any Tyson fight.
>>66990621
i suggest you watch the first time mark hunt and antonio silva met in the cage
>>66990683
>this nigger actually deleted his stupid post so he could include a webm
>>66990218
fan of both.
>Boxing
Gatti vs Ward (all of them)
Pacman vs marquez
mosely vs mayweather
lewis vs vitaly klitchko
any tyson fight (even in losses)
>mma
Griffin vs Bonnor
Rashad vs Machida
Liddell vs Couture (all 3)
almost all fights with Nate Diaz, Diego Sanchez, and Joe Lauzon
if you hate football players
Seth Mitchell v Jonathan Banks
Seth Michell v Chris Arreola
Gabriel Gonzaga v Shawn Jordan
TAKASHI MIURA VS FRANCISCO VARGAS.
>>66990536
hagler won either way
Im suprised you niggas didnt even mention
Aldo Vs Mendes II
McGregor vs Poirier
JDS vs Cain
Lawler vs Condit
Jones Vs Gustaffson
Cruz vs Dillashaw
>>66990218
>>66990218
Shogun vs Machida I and II
Shogun vs Henderson I
BJ Penn vs Diego Sanchez
(finger licking good)
Dos Santos vs Mark Hunt
Robbie Lawler vs Rory McDonald
(best fight of the decade Senpais)
GSP vs Koscheck, Diaz, Condit
Cain vs Lesnar
(Muh size and power BTFO)
RDA vs Pettis
>>66990748
you're point being? i googled a few of those fights and found them to be entertaining. what have you contributed to this thread? faggot.
GSP vs Condit
GSP coming back from an ACL tear and 18 months off to defend his title against the most dangerous guy from the new breed of WW's that look more like a huge MW fighter.
1st round he makes Condit bleed like a stuffed pig
2nd round GSP does even more damage and receives some as well
3rd round Condit catches GSP with a vicous headkick dropping GSP and fighting for survival on the ground until GSP gets back to his feet and instantly goes after Condit even when still wobbly
4th and 5th round GSP just ratcheted up the pace and pressure so much to completely counter anything Condit threw at him and secure the win
It was a perfect analogy to hard work and determination paying off.
>>66990328
this
>>66991348
And steroids
Lennox Lewis v Vitali Klitschko was the last great heavyweight fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_YNOOUjeHw
some of the shots they landed on each other would have killed any other human
>>66990429
You should NEVER tell a boxing fan to watch Igor vs Enson.
That fight has the sloppiest striking ever and will definitely turn them off to MMA.
>>66991437
This. Shame about the cut. Both guys were giving and taking monster shots
Boxing will win because there's been way too many boxing fights. Better to take it from the point when MMA became a thing.
>>66991381
Yep, how not using steroids is no hindrance to being th ebest in the world if you just put in the hard work
>>66990218
>brock is the face of MMA to boxing fans
lel
Some boxing fights that haven't been mentioned
Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez(first three)
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz (first fight)
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Michael Katsidis
Orlando Salido vs Juanma Lopez(both)
Victor Ortiz vs Marcos Maidana
Fernando Vargas vs Tito Trinidad
Fernando Vargas vs Oscar De La Hoya
Shane Mosley vs Antonio Margarito
>OP pic is of 2 of the most overrated fighters of all time
disregarded
>>66991766
for me it would be Emelyanenko even though I have fuck idea about MMA. Or Anderson Silva or if we go by current trends - that Irish trash-talking midget
>>66991437
Vitali was giving him the dick.
>>66991835
>OP pic is from google when you type in boxing/mma
>>66991772
Maidana Vs Morales.....my gawd. Erik Morales was a fucking man. Too bad the roids taint his image.
My pops saw Diaz Marquez in person a few months before he passed. That fight is beautiful and makes me feels.
>>66991766
>Mayweather is the face of boxing to casuals
kek
Bradley vs Provodnikov
Matthysee vs Provodnikov
Matthysee vs Molina
Lebedev vs Jones
Sanchez vs Gomez
Arugello vs Pryor
The Thrills in Manilla.
>>66992119
An old fat Morales gave Danny Garcia hell too
>That KO of Diaz
>"thats an example of a good young fighter beaten by a great old fighter"
Your pops was lucky to see that before he went. One of my favorite fights
>>66990683
Every single Holly fight in this list was a walk in the park for her, and, except for the Ronda one, unremarkable.
But the fight against Ronda was not only technically brilliant on her part but is also a world class example of movement, footwork and a gameplan executed on perfection.
If you guys want to see what someone with boxing intelligence can do against a prolific MMA fighter without it that's the fight.
Reminded me a lot of the early UFC when Royce Grace did the opposite, proved what can be done with grappling intelligence against prolific fighters without it.
>>66991766
Better Brock than a fucking girl.
>>66992132
Shit I have a friend who looks very similar to this guy
Fighting sports lack the management and structure big name sports have to offer.
If they could do seasons/tournaments and make being a champion of the sport to be something more notable than having 8 different belts from leagues we know nothing about, it'd be more entertaining for the consumers.
Marcos Maidana v Adrien Broner
George Foreman v Ron Lyle
Sergey Kovalev v Jean Pascal I
Manny Pacquiao v Marco Antonio Barrera I
Tomasz Adamek v Travis Walker
Juan Manuel Lopez v Orlando Salido I and II
Juan Manuel Lopez v Bernabe Concepcion
Nonito Donaire v Vic Darchinyan I and II
Guillermo Rigondeaux v Teon Kennedy
Chris Byrd v Jimmy Thunder
Victor Ortiz v Andre Berto
Daniel Cormier v Anthony Johnson
Wanderlei Silva v Quinton Jackson I, II and III
Bas Rutten v Kevin Randleman
Badr Hari v Semmy Schilt I and II
>>66990218
Aldo vs Mendes 2
lawler vs macdonald 2
lawler vs condit
condit vs GSP
cormier vs gustaffson
jones vs gustaffson
fedor vs coleman
diaz vs daley
melendez vs thompson 1-3
cro cop vs silva 2
sonen vs silva 1
>>66990253
That was hype as fuck. Thank you anon. Really fucking great fight.
>>66992208
the 4 holly fights i posted are the ones that ended in spectacular fashion; her other fights --- not so much.
ronda did KO the fuck out of bethe but, gawd, that was some of the most shitawful embarrassing boxing i've ever seen -- didnt make the list
the other fights i chose for the list are ones that are simply enjoyable to watch.
>>66992669
Its the fight that made me fall in love with boxing. Brutal and and as epic as it gets.
>>66992781
I was rooting for Diego since second 1, I was sure he'd lose around the sixth, but he came through!
>>66991458
True I guess, I just enjoyed watching Enson get nearly beaten unconscious.
WATCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLXt7nLUgDU
>>66992292
Its tough. Combat sports aren't like the other big name sports; you train for 1-3 months for one fight that might take you 2 months to fully recover from.
The boxing fight of the year this year was Miura vs. Vargas in November. Both fighters have not fought since then because of the amount of punishment they gave each other. The tournament would only work in the amateurs and let's face it, we only wanna see ams so we know who the next big pros are.
>>66992820
Watch Mayweather vs Corrales.
RIP to Diego Corrales. Would have had a legendary career.
Ward vs. Augustus >>>>> Ward Gatti.
Marquez vs Pac 4
Macdonald vs Lawler 2
>>66993205
Floyd beat the shit out of Chico
anyone mentioned gatti vs ward
http://youtu.be/5n4A_0Znd50
https://youtu.be/uWBoBHvP3-U
It's k1 but still one of the best fights ever
>>66990429
>Frank Shamrock v Tito Ortiz
>Igor Vovchancyn v Enson Inoue
>BJ Penn v Takanori Gomi
>Genki Sudo v Royler Gracie
These are good for their time, but the sport has evolved way past that now. Boxing fans wouldn't be impressed by the overall sloppyness of these bouts
>>66992132
Kovalev vs Ward is going to be beautiful.
Don't watch the punches. Listen to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg7s7kuX8qQ
>>66993770
Vitali was such a bad motherfucker. Shame his career lacked huge names, he would be remembered as an ATG
>>66993825
The thing people always forget is people were crucifying Vitali for quitting when he tore his shoulder against Byrd.
No one knew he had it in him going into this fight, and he took a metric tonne of punishment.
>>66993770
those uppercuts holy fuck.
Also this, back when Pacquiao was an absolute fucking monster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11pBCi_0T8w
>>66993926
>you'll never be in the crowd for a pacquiao-marquez fight
>>66993825
head to head he is an all time great, much more so than his brother
you're right about his level of competition though, the only other guy who gave him a tough fight was Corrie Sanders (my favourite 90/00s contender)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thKRtRbXbpo
>>66994009
>not from Vegas
Kill me now. Anyway this vid is close enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7pwZ4njcw0
Toney - Jirov is a great underrated fight
skip to round 12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqWPoR76mI
>>66993642
uhhh I'm a boxing fan and I find them massively entertaining, that's why I posted them.
>Penn
>Gomi
>Sudo
>sloppy
Did you just become a UFC fan last year? Most of those fighters fought into the modern era of MMA.
>>66994048
Yea he had an granite chin and was not afraid to ever let those hands go. His brother is kind of a joke.
>>66994412
Not that you'll believe me, but I've been a huge fan since UFC 2 (posted quite a bit on alt.ufc from 97-99 under the name IronmanIII), so I know quite a bit about the evolution of the sport m8. The fights now are light years ahead (technique wise) of the ones you listed, legends or not. You may like them, but if you want to convert a boxing fan, they are a little unrefined.
>>66994523
hmm no shit huh. I've only been following MMA from 2000-onwards, used to post on Sherdog, Ironlife, UpstandingFC, nokaut, etc. I remember when guys like INXS (sp?) and kyho were legendary highlight makers in the pre-youtube days.
I don't really care for the "refined" MMA of today were every fighter and style looks the same. I find it boring as shit 2bh. imo MMA, entertaining MMA at least peaked with Pride when they had completely mismatches, freakshow fights, open weight fights, no drug testing and run by the yakuza.
It was better when two fighters with vastly different styles would fight instead of MMA fighter with a wrestling background versus MMA fighter with jiu jistu background lay n pray for three rounds. I havent watched much UFC over the past six yyears so I wouldnt even be able to cite many modern fights.
>>66990429
>Antonio Margarito v Miguel Cotto I
I remember that one, it was a great fight. I beat done porka Rican $100 on Margarito and that pork chop didn't pay me. Don't trust Puerto Ricans since then
Arguing which is better? Y'all are a bunch of brutes that think it's cool to partake in barbaric activities, neither of which are cool...
>>66995082
>pleb detected.
>>66994950
>...lay n pray for three rounds.
and this is why i abandoned mma until ufc opened the womens division. i figured if i'm going to watch 2 people roll around for 15 minutes it'll be 2 chicks. but some of these chicks fucking EXPLODE when the bell rings.
Who? /poon hound/ here
Any recommendations for female mma fights, the more QT p2t the better
>>66995434
paige vanzant vs felice herrig but it's a shit fight
>there are bitch fights being unironically posted and discussed itt
>>66994201
2bh, from the fights i watch online, the atmosphere at the british fights looks waaaay better then 99% of vegas fights.
>>66995925
It is now.
You should check out the fights at the stub hub center. Those are electric
But the Brits are better at us at enjoying sports.
Mexicans go hard too. Check out any of the MAB Morales fights.
>>66995297
Dude have you seen women fight in the street? They're no joke.
>>66990536
It was Hearns who broke his hand.
>>66993926
Fuck me , Pac was quick, rapier quick, like video game character
>>66996636
Marquez schooled him that fight.
>>66994950
>used to post on Sherdog
Yeah, me too. I had it set to as my homepage for a time even lol.
>I don't really care for the "refined" MMA of today were every fighter and style looks the same.
Yeah, that's been the major trade-off in my eyes too, but going back and watching old UFCs really make me appreciate the skill and technique in today's version. As much as I enjoyed style vs. style, I wouldn't want to go back.
>>66990218
>starting the thread with a picture of Bork for MMA
You already fucked up
>>66996812
Oh, and I should add just watch UFC 189, all in all one of the best cards ever
Whos the face of boxing in the US?
I would say that it's Fury in Europe at the moment, but he doesnt seem to be that big in the US yet
>>66996908
I want to say it's Wilder, not sure if it is true or not.
>>66990555
its a good stoppage aslong as you take away the macho stigma involved in boxing that says you should give him a go because its only 2 seconds left and he's worked for it
>>66994950
I'd have no problems with the cookie cutter styles if they weren't so incapable athletically. I think MMA fighters are some of the worst "Athletes" in sports today and MMA fans don't know any better.
>>66996908
a toss-up between a Kazakhi and a ginger Mexican. not even people in Bama give a fuck about Wilder.
>>66996908
it'll be Errol Spence soon Wilder is just waiting to be slept imo.
Fights in Japan are usually great if you can find them and Frampton-Gonzales from last year was a good fight imo
HAGLER VS HEARNS
Bobby Chacon vs Rafael Bazooka Limon (deep into boxing...but seriously AMAZING fights)
Pacquiao vs Cotto (First 4 rounds are electric)
Trinidad vs Vargas (my fave)
Khan vs Maidana
Ortiz vs Maidana
Martinez vs Williams 1.....2 if you wanna see the GOAT KO
Duran vs Leonard
Augustus vs Ward
>>66996908
Keef/Wilder/Ward
Cant believe nobody posted this yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSEJA6W-C_M
>elite striking
>Kimbo unleashing his newfound ground game
>both fighters leave everything in the cage
>>66997068
I guess thats why he's sold out his past however many fights in Bama......From no hometown support......
>>66997348
/thread
Mine eyes have never seen such glory as in that fight.
>>66997300
Sergio Martinez is so fucking sick. He is the GOAT boxer who started in his 20s lol. He was a poverty ball player before.
>>66997300
Augustus vs Ward is terribly underated.
>>66996908
GGG
Canela
The POSSIBLE future
Crawford
Broner only out of being so ignorant people want to see his ass beat
Spence
Wilder will get a huge boost if he beats Povetkin in impressive fashion in Moscow.
Maybe Danny Garcia.
Maybe Keith Thurman
Truthfully, none of them are really elite. The only one who could sell a fight of his antics alone is Don't need no change Broner.
I hope Wilder bests Povetkin because it would be great for the sport in the states.
>>66997849
Those in the know rank it pretty damn high. It's a fight that I love showing casuals.....and then telling them thats the dude that marky mark played in the fighter.........................and then showing them Gatti vs Ward :)
>>66997969
Thurman would be elite if he didnt take fights off and go from 1 time to Run time. He gets up for fights when his opponents are good....He takes fights off when he knows its a joke. Bad habbit.
>>66997969
Garcia is the most proven of that bunch
Pat berry vs Chiek Kongo
>>66998110
Such a shame about Augustus man..
>>66998344
Garcia doesnt have any elite qualities in him. And he also touched Matthysees dick a bunch of times.
>>66991458
yep, typical D level mma striking
>>66990253
MMA fighters are incapable of this kind of pace. They'd be gassed after 1 rounds like this.
Not this piece of shit
>>66990218
MMA getting REKT in another thread i see.
Boxing:
Rosario vs Ramirez 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUaevfp0fJg
>>66990555
Good stoppage. to say it was a bad stoppage is to ask for the ref to bend the "rules" to give Taylor a break
>>66993010
EPIC
>>66994009
Their rivalry will be up there with the best in history
>>66990621
>All the martial arts on their own are much tougher than MMA.
really ?
>... fight like homosexuals on the floor.
its 2016 you dumbshit
>>66996758
marquez should be 4-0 vs pac
>>66993183
If Miura moved his fucking head he wouldn't have lost, dude ate more than a hundred punches to the face
Will Eubank Jr save us?
>>66990328
this fight was shit why do people pretend like it was anything special
>>67007913
>tfw i liked it
>>67008059
>really?
Yea really.
>>67008423
Miura has 0 boxing skills. Hes an Iron chinned hard hitting monster with an insane heart and will.
Watch Miura vs Uchiyama. Dude never moves his head or runs and only uses his jab to set up that devastating left.
Its tough to tell men with great punch resistance to fight smart.
But Lomachencko is moving up to their division. Miura Lomachencko, Lomachencko Vargas, Lomachencko Salido 2 are all gunna be fucking sweet.
Fedor vs Henderson had a killer finish
Bisping vs Henderson for an H-Bomb
Dan Henderson is my boy, so any of his fights is fun to watch if you wanna see a guy try to fucking murder people with his fist
Eubank v Benn was a great show
Hunto vs big foot silva
>>67008976
He doesn't seem like that kind of guy but I'd love to see Loma drag Salido to the Ukraine and give him a taste of his own medicine
>>67010151
Lomachencko is too classy for that.
http://www.ufc.com/media/UFC-188-Free-Fight-Melendez-vs-Sanchez?fb_comment_id=893602104012305_904893472883168#f138f8e5f629f48
this is the best fight I have watched
>>66990429
>Manny Pacquiao v Antonio Margarito
why would you recommend that massacre?
It's painful too watch
I'm a long time boxing fan, but just starting to try to get into MMA.
I think the wrestling only for control to score points bullshit it dumb, boring and hurting the sport, but the skillful judo and hard wrestling throws/takedowns and ground work that leads to submission has merit and it interesting to watch. I suppose that's BJJ stuff, but I can enjoy ground fighting that that isn't just laying on top of someone to score points or g&p which is also pretty boring and doesn't really prove much skill and seems to just be a solid strategy for good wrestlers that are strong physically. I think I would be able to get into it more if there was better striking and the ground stuff was more focused on positioning for submissions and the "control" aspect of laying on the opponent and ground and pound stuff was less prevalent. I just don't find either fun or intereating.
That said, I'm primarily a striking fan. Can anyone name me some good MMA strikers? Every time I see UFC fighters striking it looks sloppy as hell and there is very little head movement or quality defense. Are there any good boxers in MMA? Ones that actually utilize good form and movement/footwork and don't just rely on pure strength to hopefully score a flash KO? Speaking of which, why the fuck to MMA fighters seem to have such weaker chins in general?
>>67011438
MMA chins are weak because they don't count on getting hit in the head as often as boxers do.
Gennady Golovkin and George Chuvalo exercised their neck muscles on a regular basis. Hagler and Holy field has monster trap muscles. MMA fighters for a lot more to worry about than their chins.
That said, I don't like MMA and their chins are pretty laughable.
>>67011612
I'll never forget when robby Lawlor got KTFO by a jab. Mma is glass chin city.
>mfw the highs of mma will never reach that of boxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTKioYMkm9c
Graham Earl vs Michael Katsidis. Just watch it all, it has everything. 5 rounds of absolute mayhem.
>>67011612
MMA fighters do have a lot more to worry about, chiefly knees and head kicks.Combine that with the small gloves and it will wear any chin down.
I really don't think it's bevause Golovkin trains his neck extra hard.
>>67015554
He does.
And the smaller gloves are safer. Big gloves = more protection for hand= more chances I get to punch your head with the full weight of my body behind it. If anything the big gloves wear the chin out more.
And yes, boxers to work out their necks. George Chuvalo spent 30 minutes a day working out his neck.
>>67015554
https://youtu.be/VrtdJxj02uY
Thank me later :')
>>67011438
>I think I would be able to get into it more if there was better striking and the ground stuff was more focused on positioning for submissions and the "control" aspect of laying on the opponent and ground and pound stuff was less prevalent.
The UFC rules are heavily favored towards wrestlers who can grind out decisions. In PRIDE the rules made it much more difficult;
>knees/kicks/stomps to the head on the ground allowed
The stalling positions on the ground are removed, top positions like north south are devastating.
>no elbows
Can't sit in full guard and throw elbows to victory.
>yellow card for stalling
Three yellows gets a dq.
>ten minute first round
Wrestlers gas and get ktfo.
Try watching some old PRIDE fights, might prefer it.
>>66990555
good stoppage. Nationalism definitely clouded the judgement of some boxing writers
>>66993926
jesus christ how did that guy get through that many rounds after THREE KNOCKDOWNS in the first round.
In terms of excitement, this fight is the greatest boxing match to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTKioYMkm9c
Earl was pretty out of his depth and did lose but fuckin hell did he make fight of it, remember just standing watching final rounds of this.
A classic
Henry Armstrong vs Barney Ross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2pu2qo5o3c
>>67017943
Because JMM >>> Marquez
>>66990299
>Barkley-Duran
TSUUUUUUUUU
>>66993642
Penn-Gomi was excellent. Wtf you're on.
>>66990619
>this retard
They box well enough to crush boxers in a fight with minimal rules. Boxers don't grapple well enough to survive against MMA fighters under the same rules.
It's not "UFC guys".
>>66990621
>MMA is 95% jacks of all trades master of none
They are masters of fighting. Yours aren't. It's that simple.
>>66990218
>ctrl-f
>No Benn v Mclellan
>>66992208
>If you guys want to see what someone with boxing intelligence can do against a prolific MMA fighter without it that's the fight.
Rousey is not a "prolific" MMA fighter.
>>66994515
>His brother is kind of a joke
His brother is a monster. He dominated the HW with an iron fist. (pun not intended)
>>67011438
>Speaking of which, why the fuck to MMA fighters seem to have such weaker chins in general?
>Smaller gloves
>lots of grapplers transitioning
>humonguous weight cuts
>more punches coming from blind angles
>Can anyone name me some good MMA strikers?
Wonderboy (Stephen Thompson), Anthony Pettis, Jose Aldo, Cro Cop, Junior dos Santos, Anderson Silva, Gegard Mousasi, Pat Barry, Alexander Gustaffson, TJ Dillashaw, Demetrious Johnson, Stipe Miocic, BJ Penn, Georges Saint Pierre, Frankie Edgar, Mark Hominick, Takanori Gomi, Paul Daley, Domimick Cruz, Renan Barao.
>>67014918
He walked into a stiff jab. That can knock you out.
>>67015348
it hasnt got the tradition for it in my opinion it feels like youre watching the XGames when watching it
>>67009527
Eubanks only good fights are when he was up against it his keep busy fights are a joke to watch
>people said Mosley was too old, he would get brutalized
>Margarito had just come off his annihilation of Cotto
>Mosley turns back the clock in this epic performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADO18BBet4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIlVQO71PbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X4ZMA9hLqA
>>67019264
>That can knock you out.
evidently
>>66990555
NOT a good stoppage,one of the wrost stoppages in history and one of the most obvious jobs in boxing history,fuck richard steele
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQhFhdmW6Vs
One of the obvious ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GfyxUxTHUw
another great fight with a dramatic ending
>>67028056
so i guess you want refs to apply rules and normal referee practices only in selected cases
>>67019904
Don't forget the plaster of paris they found in Margarito's wrappings before the fight.
>>66990218
MMA is real crap compared to boxing. Any top 20 boxers in any division would kick the shit out of the best MMA fighter in the same division. They could kill him in one round, actually.
>>67028853
No,but i expect referees to not call premature stoppages and make terrible calls. By the "rules of the sport" Steele wasnt wrong to stop the fight,but that logic allows referees to stop fights too early or too late. Steele ignored the 10 second alarm RIGHT IN FUCKING FRONT OF HIM,and Taylor had gotten up before the count of 8 and was on steady legs,with 2 SECONDS LEFT. Steele's excuse was that "if i see a fighter hurt im stopping it" which is bullshit. He let Thomas Hearns continue to fight after getting clipped with 2 right hands from Barkley and slamming into the canvas,getting up at the count of TEN and was clearly in La la land,he explained his decision making by saying that a champion should be allowed to pull himself together. I guess Steele changed his mind with Taylor and called the fight off with 2 seconds,well aware of how much time was left and who was going to win the fight. Its crystal fucking clear how crooked Steele was.
>>67028959
LOL Tell Watson vs Eubank about premature stoppages. Watson won't never walk again. I'd like to see the best and toughest MMA fighter take half of half of what these guys caould take, and be still standing.
>>67028959
in order for a fight to continue after a knock down the fighter needs to be up AND READY TO CONTINUE. Taylor was clearly up, he beat the count. But was he ready to continue? How does a ref determine if a fighter is ready to continue? Typically there's a kind of checklist that takes place. 1. the ref will look in the fighters eyes and ask a question. Are you ok? are you ready to go? can you continue? These are all typical questions that a fighters must answer. 2. if he passes this test a ref will usually take a few steps back and request that the fighter walk to him to determine if the guy can even move without falling over. The fact is that taylor failed the first item on this checklist. he looked off into space as if steel wasn't even there. it cannot be said that Taylor was ready to continue based on methods usually employed by a ref to figure this out. so what you want is for refs to apply these things selectively. wouldn't that qualify as unfair or crooked? everyone who wishes taylor won that night and accuses steel of corruption are actually wishing steel acted in a nakedly unfair way by not applying rules and practices evenly without regard for the emotions of the moment.
>>67018521
I dislike her as much as you probably do but Ronda had the record and the scalps to prove she was the top of her category up until Holly thoroughly dismantled and destroyed her. 12-0 record up until that fight is no pushover.
>>67028941
I could drop you on your fat face in 10 seconds flat, fuckwad
>im only pretedning to be retarded!!!!!
hahahahha good one
Id fucking end you you worthless piece of shit
>>67029409
Jesus son, you went full retard.
I watch MMA and the guys can't even punch properly. Only thing they could do againsta adecent boxer is kick him on the left leg, but once he'd be in a clinch, the MMA fag would have some brocken ribs for sure.
You can not even compare that MMA circus with boxing. Not even close.
>>67029186
did you even read my comment? Steele showed a clear bias for other fighters and allowed them to continue fighting without even asking if they were okay to continue and its already pretty fucking obvious he was corrupt. Not to mention that one of the scorecards for the chavez-taylor fight had chavez WINNING. Thats more than enough to know what was really going on. Like i mentioned,the referee has to be aware of how much time is left in the round,and its pretty fucking obvious that steele was very eager to wave off the fight and as i mentioned before,has aa history of being crooked. Steele screwed up the chavez-taylor fight,steele screwed the first Tyson-Ruddock fight,Steele failed to disqualify the Mayweather corner for entering the ring,Steele let a discombobulated Hearns continue on without so much as even asking asking him to come towards him(he just grabbed him and wiped his gloves off) Steele made a bad call,and referees arent robots who follow a super strict set of rules that have to be followed exactly by the book without question. Referees have to use their brain and common sense when making decisions in the ring,and Steele made a bad call when he stopped the fight with 2 fucking seconds left
>>67029435
>the MMA fag would have some brocken ribs for sure.
>>66990621
>All the martial arts on their own are much tougher than MMA.
please elaborate ... i want to witness the depths of your peasantry.
>>67029783
The re is nothing to elaborate; things speak by themselves. A decent fighter has to have "heavy hands" also has to be able to take heavy punches, which means that person is born with it. Then of course there is traininga and all, but a good boxer has to be born, can not be made. Not every tough cunt can be a boxer, they can be MMA fighters, but not boxers. Boxers are another level.
>>66990253
point me the good part, I ain't watching that whole fight
>>67028988
Watson can walk fine you fucking idiot
>>67029969
well, saying "fine" is a bit of a stretch, don't you think, son of a whore and a inmate?
>>67028988
>>67030093
dafuck is that, man?
How on earth can a fighter get caught from his back like that???
MMA is 95% bullshit, I'm telling you....
>>67030111
james toney vs. randy couture
>>67029783
The training in boxing is 90% tougher than the MMA match itself. Boxing is much tougher than MMA and its not close.
And with the other martial arts, you have men who have mastered their craft, as opposed to a frat bro who went to a gym and learned everything half assed. And the athletes in MMA aren't too great. Not like boxers or college wrestlers even.
I know what you will say. But say it so I can witness the depths of your puberty and ignorant middle school knowledge.
>>67030093
>still not as brutal as Watson Eubank.
>>67030354
>literally the only example MMA fanboys have.
>>66990621
>jack of all trades
but this is factually wrong the GOAT fighters have one thing they're great at and a bunch of ways of making their opponent play their game. Anderson is GOAT at counters so he made people come to him and kept his hands low to stop the takedown. Fedor is GOAT at grappling so he used his right straight, jab/hook, leg kick, body work to wear people down for his clinch so he could throw and grapple. GSP is GOAT at jabbing and grappling, he used his double leg and jab to set each other up. Jones is GOAT at muay thai so he uses his wrestling to exploit his clinch game.
It's specialists who are good at making people fight them where they want them to that succeed in MMA.
>>67032097
The fighters you listed are great and have taken the time to learn from masters of their craft before mixing in new ones.
The drop in competition and competence is severe after that.
Don't get me wrong. Its not an easy sport by any means, but I have found my time in boxing gym a to be much more excruciating and painful than my time at MMA gyms. Its painfully obvious most coaches in MMA gym have never gone passed the intermediate level of whatever their specialty is or are just flat out bad.
You go to most boxing gyms, the coaches have been fighting since they were 14 and the gym will have trophies and medals from boxers who have trained out of that gym.
In like 30-40 years the talent in MMA will increase exponentially. Its still a new sport, but tougher than boxing and muay Thai and even wrestling on its own? Not yet.
fuck I miss K-1. The skill level wasn't up there with boxing but it was still a fun knockout festival to watch, and it introduced us to some tough guys you otherwise never would have heard of.
also show some respect for boxing you MMAfags. Pretty much every recent combat sport just rips off boxing's blueprint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQorXPqWqpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD4be4pa5VQ
>>67031960
>Not like college wrestlers even.
Nigger like all the american wrestlers in mma are former collegiate stars.
>>67032449
And their time in college wrestling was much tougher than MMA. That doesn't mean shit.
>>67032532
If that were true they'd just train as tough as they used to and destroy the octagon.
>>67032567
No turd. If they'd train like they did for a colligate wrestling match they would lose in a MMA match obviously since MMA allows striking..
But just because I threw a bunch of shit together doesn't make it tougher. Wrestling and boxing training is much harder than MMA training and that is a fact. Competition is much better too.
was looking for clips on youtube of that autistic boxer Twin Tyson when I found this 1997 HBO movie about Don King. some legit keks to be had. Cliff "Twin Tyson" Couser plays Tyson in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJG0UKgGtPI
>>67032655
>just because I threw a bunch of shit together doesn't make it tougher
You're doing more shit. Surely it ain't any easier.
How does it feel to lose access to a whole sport because of childish smallmindedness?
>>67032702
I watch both boxing and MMA and have practiced both. I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm speaking from experience. MMA is much easier than boxing or wrestling or muay Thai on its own.
MMA bros will be quick to want me, a limited boxer to fight them and I don't mind, since I OKAY at MMA. They will NEVER step into boxing ring with me or another experienced boxer they avoid it like the plague.
>>67028941
prove it :^)
>>67032777
>people want an easy sparring partner in their discipline but not a hard sparring partner in a discipline they don't train
No fucking shit you moron. Why would they even want to fight under boxing rules? To get bad habits?
>>67008940
MMA is tougher than any single form of martial arts
ps.
yes really
>>67032836
The day equaly ranked fighters both in MMA and boxing same weight classes will step into a ring or a cage, that day you'll see it doesn't go on for a single round.
Alas, it is very unlikely that any MMA fag will put his life at stake like that.
Fuck, not even in the same weight class, Put Gennadi Golovkin in a cage with any MMA light heavyweigth and you'll see the big guy turning into shit in less that one round.
>>67032908
No its not fucking kek.
>>67032777
>They will NEVER step into boxing ring with me or another experienced boxer they avoid it like the plague.
THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN
>>67032944
nah it is
fucking rekt
>>67032839
>I have never spent time in a gym, the post.
>>67032963
>I have no arguments, the thread.
>>67032951
No its not. Its not even as tough as fucking wrestling. Stop buying into the memes and Dana Whites great ability to promote, MMA is soccer tier at most. Boxing is significantly tougher than MMA. Unless you have done both you wouldn't understand.
>>67032937
What exactly makes a pure boxer more skilled than an mma fighter
Just asking for your thoughts with mma being relatively new over time as popularity rises couldn't we see stellar atheletes who can achieve a high level of striking and grappling combined
>>67032982
>I have never been inside a gym, the sequel.
A new challenger appears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISzFXpYK1Bg
>>67033006
Their conditioning, their hand speed , coordination, stamina, their power, their discipline, the fact that most boxers have been boxing since they were 10 and the fact that they have a smaller target and not as many tools to get to the target.
>>67032988
I'm just gettin ya riled up m8 can't ya see all my responses were yours with a lil difference
But lets keep going give me some proofs some matches to watch some fighters to study so I may learn instead of just take
>Trust me bro its tougher
>>67033010
Actually, shitposting aside, I have practiced kickboxing for years. Admittedly not mma because I'm not going to the other side of the province just to train, but still.
>>67033040
Over time though couldn't some kid whose been training in boxing and wrestling since he was 10 have a great advantage over just a regular boxer
I mean I've only been doing boxing for a year now and seeing mma fighters punch is actually crazy like some of them don't even seem like they know what they're doing, leading with hooks, wild swings.
Even in the beginning of the UFC it seemed like pseudo WWE tier, but why couldn't the level of skill rise with time
>>67033006
I explained to you before. Any crazy dog/tough dude with intensive training can be a MMA fighter, but very few people can be a professional boxer. One has to be born with certain physical qualities that are very rare, like "heavy hands" and be able to take heavy punches, apart from demanding training, of course. The destructive power of a boxer's punches are truly next level, another league, nothing to do with anything else you'll ever see.
Also, I'd like to see a MMAfag in a 10th round, after 30 minutes of fight LOL.
Honestly, there no even the shadow of a doubt here
>>67032839
What the fuck are you stupid?
If I'm in an MMA gym and today were practicing our BJJ technique, when we spar we don't go straight into MMA sparing you fucking retard, we practice our BJJ technique or boxing or muay Thai technique. Its a mix of the martial arts, but if you can't even practice the martial competently on its own why the fuck would you mix it into your fighting technique?
So yes, there will be times in a MMA gym where they will box you dipshit. And that guy is right, they do not want to box with a boxer because that is asking for brain damage and embarrassment in a sweet cocktail right there. You learn to hit and not get hit in boxing and that's a great ability that translates well in any fighting situation, street or octagon.
>tl;Dr you don't know shit about combat sports training.
>>67033117
I find it extremely unlikely for mma gyms to spare boxing instead of striking in general. What would even be the point? The stances and defense are totally different.
>>67033098
Hypothetically yes , but 99/100 you show me a guy whose been wrestling and boxing since he was ten and I'll show you a guy with severe brain damage. As a former D level club fighting boxer, I wouldn't let my 10 year old box.
Thats the problem with MMA and its not just with boxing. All their techniques are sloppy. Its only the creme de la creme that has good technique in MMA. In 30-40 years it will change though. The talent will get better.
>>67033152
Further proof you do not spend time in gyms.
>>67033051
M8 kick boxing is serious. Good luck with your training.
>>67033107
Im just some random dude I mean I don't know if I can just believe you, I mean sure it makes sense
boxing has been around for years and years with mma only having a fraction of that time to shine
but why couldn't there be an mma fighter born with such physical qualities, what happens if the boxer gets taken to the ground or is it just "thats not gunna happen" any dudes you could show me I could watch so I could see the magic in action
Like the real boxers the truly skilled, so i don't have to just take your word for it
>>67033343
Man, to take a guy to the ground one has to be within his punching range. Then everything would be over.
As some anons stated before, maybe in 30-40 years if that MMA thing keeps going, there will be some really good fighters. Maybe. However, I highly doubt they will ever match the power of boxers. Boxers don't kick, don't wrestle, etc. They just punch, hence their punches are atomic bombs compared to any other discipline.
>>67033599
>maybe in 30-40 years if that MMA thing keeps going, there will be some really good fighters
MMA has already peaked and is in rapid decline. Just a decade ago they would've had you believe that MMA was the great new sport taking over and boxing would be non-existent in a few years. Now boxing is still pulling in record numbers and MMA is pushing women's fighting. The shit is literally XFL-tier.
>>67032671
>Teddy Atlas is in it
based
lifelong boxing fan here. I remember being allowed to stay up late to watch tyson fights.
no MMA anyone could post would convince me it isn't glorified WWE.
>>67033152
im an amateur boxer and a few from our gym were invited to go spar at an mma gym was one of the funniest evenings ive ever witnessed watching green hair dyke looking fuckers get their shit pushed in
>>67007892
That's a fast pace? What is a slow paced boxing match? Do they let them sit on stools?
>>67035864
That's not a fast pace, but it is nonetheless a pace MMA fighters are incapable of.
I hate this boxing v mma debate. It's a sport, watch whatever the fuck you like. But when it comes to practicality, you're fooling yourself if you think boxing is better than martial arts.
I've done martial arts for a long time. I'm not putting on a tough guy persona. I've been in one street fight in my life, when I was 15 before I ever started martial arts. I will go a long way to avoid a fight. The longer I do martial arts, the less I ever want to get into a fight. But I did love sparring. I don't spar much anymore because of an elbow injury that I don't want to reignite.
A couple years ago, for several weeks a boxer came to our school to train and spar with us. I sparred him once under boxing rules. Three 2 minute rounds. He beat me every round. Not by a lot, but comfortably. I admit it, he was a better boxer than I am. Next time we sparred, I got to use whatever I wanted. Kicks, throws, locks. 30 seconds into the first round I had kicked him in the stomach several times, and in the head once. He gave up, and didn't want to continue the other rounds. After that, he refused to spar me unless it was under boxing rules.
I'm not going to say boxing is useless, but you have to admit, limiting yourself to just punching is not a great idea. You have an entire arsenal of tools at your disposal, and you only want to use your fists? Why handicap yourself?
>>67036222
When it comes to practicality for what? A martial arts match? No shit sherlock.
Let me save everyone the pain of reading that shit
>martial arts is better to use in a martial arts match
There.
>>67036337
Missed the point. But it's cool.
>>67036368
That was the whole point of your story.
How do "boxing" fans feel when they really know deep down any top 15 fighter from any division in the UFC can beat their GOAT Mayweather any time of the day in a street fight?
>>67036638
>street fight
This retard finally showed up.
>>66990548
>going all the way to Brazil to learn how to stop a double leg
Any wrestling coach could've shown him that (unless this a different kind of double leg he's talking about then idk)
>>67034280
They literally just pulled a record year amd record PPV
Their TV numbers are increasong constantly
Meanwhile literally wgaf watches boxing
>>67036638
>Mayweather pokes them in the eye
>"thats against the rules!"
>his bodyguards fuck them up
lol
>>67036911
>Money let's fight dog
>big church kicks their teeth in
>Mayweather come on nigga 1 on 1
>Mayweather stabs them
Street fighting =/= combat sports. Were in the sports board. Go to >>>/k/ to talk about street fighting.
Boxing is ingrained in popular culture. Terms from boxing are used in everyday expressions - "the heavyweights" "low blow" "a real bodyshot" "down for the 10 count" "Ali-Frazier" etc. Do you think MMA will ever get to that level? Do you see political situations being described as "an armbar" or "what a leg kick"? kek NO. It must make MMA fans salty as fuck that MMA will never be the sport that boxing once was.
>>67037847
>TFW sportsman of the last century was Muhammed Ali.
>>67031979
only because u pussies never wanna fight MMA rules ... its funny boxers themselves are never confident enough to step into the cage while u fanboys argue on their behalf here.
>>67030111
>How on earth can a fighter get caught from his back like that???
Is this really how uneducated you boxtards are ? Tell me about the magical powers boxers possess to stop a judoka, a wrestler or a bjj player from doing this to him. Kenyan fast footwork ? Bruce Lee style death touch ?
>>66990548
Lol: the post
>>67044187
You know shit. Get into the punchung range of a good boxer and before you know what happened you'll be in dreamland with a liver knock out. Easy.
>>67037847
just to let you know MMA hasnt been around all that long. that being said i couldnt give a shit less whther the entire earth adopted MMA terms or not. is this how you argue about the greatness of your sport ? weak as fuck bro.
>>67044291
as expected your argument is based on the "death touch". in your view, boxers are so mythically strong that they can finish anyone with one punch. funny how the vintage Gracie videos and early 90s UFC proved all this stuff to be a fairytale. do you have any evidence to support your childish claims ?
>>67044474
cba looking for examples just to educate you. I made my point itt, if you don't get it it is your problem.
>>67033599
>Boxers don't kick, don't wrestle, etc. They just punch, hence their punches are atomic bombs compared to any other discipline.
HOLY KEKKKKKK ... you guys sound like Kung-fu guys from 30 years ago.
>>67044666
I dont think you can find an example since what you are saying is a boxer can stop a wrestler with a liver shot every time. i mean its really a dumb argument. you`re basically saying "its just not gonna happen cuz boxers are GOD "this is what every striker said when they first saw BJJ ... then they all got choked the fuck out.
>>67044810
>>67044945
Not sure if all canadafags are handicapped or same guy.
>>67045034
MMA pretty big here and unlike you we dont fuck sheep so ... thats prolly why
>>67045308
an mma fighter might beat a boxer in a street fight.
doesn't negate the fact that mma has shit tier fans, red neck production and just oozes a monster energy drink aesthetic.
While boxing is classic, vintage, timeless. Its not about being extreme or "ULTIMATE".
they shouldn't even be compared desu.
>>67045417
also a boxer could EASILY participate in athletics competitively with very little preparation, while MMA fighters can only dream of that. Boxers are far far more athletic and talented
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b66No9KLl0
