ITT: Post players and other anons will tell you if they will make the Hall of Fame in their respective sport. Pic related, the best defensive catcher of all time
'no'
No also no
>>66752249
Yes
Johnny Bench got in. Yadi is a shoe-in.
Yadi couldn't hold Pudge Rodriguez's dick, so we'll see what happens with Pudge when he gets eligible
>>66752961
Sadly, no. WRs have a high bar to jump for HOF
>>66753077
Obvious first ballot HOFer. No discussion
>>66753077
First ballot, everyone thought he was done when he went to Anaheim but he just keeps impressing.
>>66753245
No and I love Gojira.
>>66753245
No. Overshadowed by Ichiro
Also opening up the discussion for Ichiro
>>66753355
When he and all the baby boomers are dead they will induct him posthumously.
>>66753355
Ichiro will be a first balloter easily. Pete Rose will make it after he dies
I just hope the voters dont forget about how good defensively he is.
>>66753517
This was the picture I wanted to post, not flavourtown
>>66753528
Toews is overrated. I never got the appeal.
>>66753600
He wins faceoffs, is great on the powerplay, great on the pk, great in his own end, great at setting guys up, great at scoring big goals if he needs to (the amount of gwg, or super clutch goals at huge moments in his career is pretty impressive). If he's on your team he essentially becomes "the guy" no matter who else is on the team with him, he can be put out in any situation at any time. He can also be double, triple or even quad shifted for 5 minutes if you need to at the end of a game, and still have enough in the tank to play most of the overtime.
But there are better players offensively in the league, I'll admit, but I don't think there's a more complete package. Bergeron is close, but not quite
>>66753703
I'll add to it but this Hawks core has never even had an average center behind Toews all these years. I like Anisimov but all the others were veteran guys who had to pick their moments to contribute. If Toews wasn't as versatile as he is they would not have much success. I say this as a Blues fan.... so someone who should hate Toews and also an expert in mediocre centers
>>66753774
ya I've just watched him loads, but dont get me wrong I hate his team adamantly. I just can't really knock him for anything, he plays the game the right way and is a winner in every sense of the word. Any hate would just be jealousy
>>66753833
My only problem with the Hawks is the same issue i have with a lot of fans: that they try to turn hockey into a morality play. Fans who keep scores of "dirty plays" and unironically call other teams/players dirty are annoying as fuck. There are usually less than 5 players in the NHL at a given time who are actually dangerous to play against.
Ronde?
>>66753682
He's the next Jim Rice in terms of like 10-15 years down the line, people will have the nostalgia goggles for him and bitch until he gets in. He'll get in.
Had a great career but only got credit towards the end of his career when the burrs defense had that record-breaking season. Also did the peanut punch his whole career and people didn't know about that til recent years either. Will people forget him in terms of HoF voting too?
>>66753917
>most sacks all time by a CB
Yes
Magic Man?
More interested: Will his number be retired? (13)
>>66753917
yes
>>66754176
no
Tillman was only a good player until he turned into a shutdown corner for like 2 years at 30 and then his health got in the way
You know it to be true
>>66758041
>steroids
>didn't play in the field
No
>>66752249
no and pudge was far better
>>66753077
obviously yes
>>66753245
'no'
>>66753355
sure
and ichiro of course
>>66753682
'no'
>>66758041
doubt it. shouldn't make it though for sure
>>66758351
one day
easy to play catcher when you hack computers if i do say so myself
>>66758326
>letting your $200 million ace stand in the way of a 95 mph fastball makes sense
t. Nancy League fag
>>66758595
>letting your baseball player play baseball
how dare they
>>66758566
What about Chipper?
>>66753888
nice trips.
chicago here. do you consider duncan keith dirty?
>>66758814
Chipper will pretty clearly make it
Andruw should, for me at least, but I doubt he makes it
greatest defensive outfielder in history and a well above average hitter to boot with some pretty big power
but everyone just remembers how he got fat and lazy and his performance dropped off a cliff once he turned 30
>Best offensive catcher in the game by far
>Best defensive catcher at this point too
>MVP award
>Batting title
>3 rings
>Comeback player of the year
>3 Silver Sluggers
Already in contention for GOAT catcher desu
>>66752249
no.
>>66752939
What the fuck? Bench had 75 career WAR and Molina has 30. Bench had two MVPs. Molina has the next five seasons to make up that gap but he's declining fast.
Worth noting that Molina has 6 more seasons in the league than Buster Posey (you could say 5 if you want to count Posey's 7 games at the end of 09) and Posey is only 1.5 WAR behind Molina even though Molina had a half decade head start. He debuted the same year as Joe Mauer and Mauer has WAR 17 points higher. Russell Martin debuted two years later and he has a career WAR 3 points higher than Molina. Mike Napoli debuted two years after Molina and is less than 4 WAR behind Molina. Brian McCann debuted a year after Molina and is only 2 WAR behind Molina.
So really only Posey and Mauer seem like hall of fame shots. Molina is in a class with guys like Russell Martin, Mike Napoli, and Brian McCann. Very good players but not hall of famers. And you compared him to Bench?
Molina is not elite and he not a hall of famer.
>>66758889
As long as he doesn't completely implode but I doubt that'll happen. His resume is fucking stacked though,
>>66753245
I would say he should, but it's nowhere near definite.
>>66759069
Forgot to add that he also has a RotY too. He's a lock for the Silver Slugger for years and will start finally winning Gold Golves once the writers realize that Molina's defense isn't nearly as good as it used to be.
>>66758889
>>Best offensive catcher in the game by far
You mean of active catchers, right?
>>66759046
Posey also basically missed an entire year when he got his injury. He's also a far better framer than Molina and framing isn't even taken into account in WAR.
>>66759095
"In the game" implies active m8
Andruw Jones
>>66752249
I really hope so, but his offensive numbers just aren't good enough to ensure a spot. Maybe he'll get an "affirmative action" boost because of the lack of catchers.
>>66753077
no-brainer yes.
>>66753245
no
>>66753355
he should, but he won't
>>66753682
lel no
>>66753917
both Barbers
>>66754080
no he won't. He played the easiest position except DH for his whole career, and was consistently good but not great. Rice played a harder position (not particularly well, but still), had an MVP, and was a better hitter.
>>66758041
should, will be heavily contested, eventually yes
>>66758351
yes
>>66758566
fuck yes
>>66758814
oh yes, easily
>>66758889
I like the hyperbole, but he's borderline at best. Joe Mauer > Buster anyway
>>66752249
Yadi is good but fucking hell if he hasn't gotten an all-star vote and gold glove on reputation alone the past few years. He'll probably get in because voters have a hard-on for Cardinal players, even though he won't deserve it.
Pitchers tend to age like milk, but some of the aces stand a chance if they don't fall of a cliff in their early thirties:
Kershaw
Sale
Bumgarner
Felix
Price
>>66759201
>Kershaw
yeah
>Sale
yeah
>Bumgarner
yeah
>Felix
yeah
>Price
nah
Not even a Panthers fan. I actually like Bobby Wagner better but then again I am a Seahawks fan.
This guy is easily the best MLB in the NFL now and keeps getting better.
Yes, obviously.
>>66759151
>Marty Marion was an MVP once
>>66759201
>Kersh
Kershaw's career so far, minus his horrid postseason numbers so far, is almost peak-Koufaxian. He's in unless he screws up big time.
>Sale
Nah.
>MadBum
Bumgarner, if his arm doesn't fall off completely within the next year or two and he keeps up a 15- to 18-win pace for the next few years, will become the new Jack Morris.
>he wasn't as good as everyone thought he was in the regular season
>BUT MUH 2014 WORLD SERIES
I wouldn't say yes yet.
>Felix
one more Cy Young would make him pretty much a lock even though he's still, what, 30?
>Price
no
>>66759226
Gotta root for my BC boys, even though I'm still pissed at the PI noncall in 2013.
>>66759240
yeah. Leaned pretty heavily on his defense though, and had that shit SB performance. But he's the best of '04 QB trio at getting pussy.
>>66759275
>apehoop
who is this
>>66759240
Obviously.
I hate the Steelers and their fuckboi fans but I thank God every time I get to watch this based motherfucker play football
>>66759282
to me, the weirdest thing about him is that he looks like a lineman but is only 230 or 240.
>>66759260
>Marty Marion was an MVP once
Why didn't they just vote for Musial that year?
>>66759301
Fat isn't as heavy as muscle :^)
>>66759226
if he keeps going the way he is going without any injuries, definitely in.
>>66759282
>betamore
>>66759306
maybe it was just one of those years where Musial had won like 3 in a row and the voters were like "let's just give it to someone else for once", kinda like Pujols early on. But I have no fucking clue why it was that Marion guy who got it, he was a literally-who who didn't have a notable season in any way. The only bigger MVP voting travesties in baseball awards history I can think of is the gypping Ted Williams out of at least the MVP in one of his Triple Crown seasons for fucking Joe Gordon, and at least one other he should have won, don't remember all the details.
>>66759280
>best of the the '04 QB trio
>Roethlisberger
>Philip Rivers
>Eli Manning
...are they all Hall of Famers? I think it's POSSIBLE, but not likely
>>66759384
>WR
get in line
I think he's worthy, but the NFL Hall has incredibly high standards/an asinine voting process
>>66753379
Yes when he dies.
>>66753682
Yes. He WAS the white sox
>>66759516
I thought you had Frank Thomas for that, m8y
>>66759516
who is the big hurt?
who is mark buehrle?
at no point was paulie the best player on the team, not even the best hitter aside from 2005, which was admittedly a very great year
but magglio was consistently better when he was there, Thome was better while he was there, fucking alexei was the best player on the team for several years. Paulie was just mediocre for a long time, I mean he has like 20 WAR
>>66759622
>Mark Buehrle
outside shot? I think so.
>>66759637
no.
what about le never done steroids. period. man?
the moustache HOF, at least
>>66759637
outside shot I guess, but doubtful, he never had those really great seasons the voters like, not even one, only ever received cy young votes once
>>66759637
I'll put it to you this way; Is Tim Hudson a hall of famer?
>>66759660
>"I have never used steroids. Period."
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/rafael_palmeiro.html
>used steroids
LOVING EVERY LEL
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LEL
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LEL
>>66759681
Is Barry Zito a HOFer?
>>66759661
I think his case rests on his staying power, the no-hitter and perfect game, and his glove. Guys like him don't tend to have great W-L %ages or totals that make them rubber-stamp admissions. But I think he can try the Bert Blyleven route.
>>66759681
no, but Buehrle is better than Tim Hudson and >>66759691
no were for their careers.
>>66759402
Eli and Roethliseberger are obvious shoe-ins, it's Rivers that's debatable
how about this elite pitcher
>>66759706
yeah, he's kinda in the Ken Anderson zone where he is no doubt great, but has very little postseason success to show for it. 2006 was his best chance with LT raping the rest of the league, but they blew it and have never been the same since.
>>66759731
Brandon Whatshisname? no way. this isn't like the NBA where every CYA winner and/or MVP automatically gets in the Hall of Famer (this actually true btw, although Derrick Rose is going to be the first NBA MVP to not make their Hall of Fame).
>>66759703
ask jim kaat what voters think of pitching defense and longevity
>>66759733
Which is funny because LT is in the same situation as Rivers, but LT is obviously going to be in the HoF
>>66759745
Maddux could tell you about the defense, and Nolan Ryan about longevity
>>66759703
>but Buehrle is better than Tim Hudson
Mark Burhle has 2 more career WAR than Hudson. They're pretty equal cases.
>>66759750
yeah but those two were also really fucking good. maddux won 4 straight cy youngs and nolan ryan the fucking strikeout king, and no hitter king
David Ortiz
Bartolo Colon
Jason Kidd
Carmelo Anthony
Darren Sproles
My question is what his percentage is going to be when he gets in. Junior got 99.32 percent this year, which is now the record.
>>66759779
I've been curious how their careers would've been changed if Mariano played for The Padres and Hoffman for the Yankees.
>>66759748
>same situation as Rivers
? he's been retired for quite a few years m8
The football Hall is far kinder to RBs and QBs than WRs or TEs. Tomlinson's 2006 season is arguably the greatest single-season performance by one player, according to the pic related at Pro Football Reference. (AV is like their version of WAR.)
>>66759764
All 3 of the early-00s As "aces" petered out eventually. Mulder fell off after he went to the Cards, Zito was a giant albatross for SF, and Hudson happened to putter along competently for the longest period. Meanwhile, Buerhle has a well-earned reputation as a workhorse and is always solid year in and out. Oh yeah, and the aforementioned no-no and perfecto help his case, too.
Hudson was good in his first few years out of Oakland, no doubt. But he's a not a guy that screams "Hall of Famer!" to me, if you know what I mean,
>>66759765
if he can keep this up until he's 40
>>66759777
Big Sexy is a definite no, Melo a definite yes.
>>66759777
>David Ortiz
Will get in the HOF when/if Edgar Martinez does
Bartolo Colon
Probably not desu
Jason Kidd
Yes
Carmelo Anthony
Yes
Darren Sproles
Wildcard, I think he will but not right away. Like a previous poster said he will get in when nostalgia sets in with him.
Is JT Snow a HOFer? I think he should be. Arguably the best defensive 1st basemen ever.
>tfw no one remembers the great kevin brown
truly elite, snubbed out of the hall and a couple cy youngs also
it's his name I think, too fucking average. 'kevin brown'. sad, baka desu senpaitachi
>>66759796
>griffey is the vote leader
awful, he wasn't even that good in hall of fame terms. and somehow he's the only slugger of the era who is completely free of the steroid cloud, despite a history of injuries and sudden power spikes, and getting bulkier
also he did steroids, though I doubt he'd have gotten consideration anyway. also everyone did steroids.
>>66759779
a few bitter Sox writers will leave him off to spite him, but it'll be close to the record. Jeter might get even more, though.
>>66759777
>Papi
should,is borderline because >DHs are baaaaad
>Colon
definitely in the Entertaining Players HOF, but not the real HOF
>Kidd
yep
>Anthony
not sure
>Sproles
long shot. real long shot.
>>66759824
>that post formatting
last line is about kevin brown
>>66759826
Melo will make it 100% if he retired today
>>66759820
>Is JT Snow a HOFer? I think he should be.
Lifelong Giants fan here. No.
>>66759820
>Snow
lol no
>best defensive 1B ever
who is Keith Hernandez
who is Don Mattingly
who is Albert Pujols (yes, Albert Pujols)
>>66759826
Jeter will be the first to get 100 percent
>>66759849
nah. someone(s) is going to be that guy who snubs him. book it.
>>66759866
Well do you at least think someone could get 100%? If Ichiro makes it 3000, I think that would be it.
>>66759878
The answer is always, always, always going to be no. Just because he's the all-time Mariner doesn't mean he's HoF worthy.
>>66759880
Cal Ripken Jr had 3000 hits and literally saved the sport. He received 98.53 percent of the vote.
>>66759820
Defense isn't valued enough at first base for him to make it, power numbers are all people care about at first base. Double his home run total and he's a shoe-in
>>66759691
He'll get into the Giants hall of fame for that playoff game alone
>>66752249
Bench is the unquestionable greatest defensive all-time but yadi is second best ONLY to bench. So yeah he's an unquestionable hall of fame player.
>>66758814
Chipper will w/o question.
>>66758889
Posey is the best OFFENSIVE catcher in baseball but hes not even top 3 in the NL as far as defense goes. This is fact.
Hes also not the best framing catcher in his own division, let alone baseball.
Posey hits like no other but as far as true CATCHER (framing/defense/game calling) there are more than 5 who are better. BUT he'll probably be a hall of famer anyway.
>>66759046
WAR isnt the only metric used to determine the value a catcher has to a team you fucking retard. Molina is basically a player-manager at this point, his offence is inferior to many but his leadership and relationship his pitching staff is an intangible.
Molina's offence isnt why hes in the lineup, hes their for his baseball IQ which is leagues above posey, mauer, and martin (who are all offensive-first catchers).
Mauer also isnt going into the hall, his career peak was unreal, and got himself a well deserved MVP but not only has he not caught a fucking game in 3 years but his offensive numbers post 2010 arent good enough for the hall.
>>66759820
JT snow is the best defensive 1B ever???
Why do SF fans think everyone on their team who is above average is GOAT?
have you ever heard of this guy named Keith Hernandez? (The actual GOAT @ 1st)
>>66759880
Honestly, no. Too much room for grudges and nitpicking in the media voting. You could have a player as likeable as Junior, have Bonds' stats with no PED ties, and still he wouldn't get 100%.
Joe Thornton
Patrick Marleau
Iffy if they never win a cup with the sharks, yes if they win with sharks, Iffy if they win one with another team(unless they carry that team there)
>>66759916
Posey is probably going to be the next Carlton Fisk
>>66759938
yes
>>66759938
easily
![PATRICK[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P0RcB8b.jpg "PATRICK[1].jpg")
>>66759982
Why must you do this to me?
Why Patrick? I loved you..
>decent hitter(for a pitcher)
>possibly the BEST postseason performance of all time
>3 rings
>great stats
tell me why he wouldnt
>>66759884
nope
he was fun to watch run though
>>66759938
maybe eventually
>>66759971
no
>>66759982
maybe, i hope so
>>66760046
>completely forgot the picture
wew
>>66760046
because he doesn't exist
>>66760075
If he keeps racking up wins he will. He should get over 200 wins, he's only 26 right now
>>66760046
No Cy Young, and has never and will never be the best left-hander of his own division.
Rings are a collective achievement.
Cy Young, MVP, and pitcher titles are what classify you as the best of your position something he's never had and will probably never have as long as Kershaw and he both stay in the West. He kinda does have hall of fame numbers tho which is enough. Also not the best post season pitching performance. Like not even close to what Koufax, Gibson, and 10 more have done.
>>66760101
shut up, DG
>>66760105
You know I understand why your inferiority complex turns on every time Kershaw is mentioned. It's that no matter how many rings bum gets he will never in his career be better than Kershaw through 32 season starts.
Maybe that's what bothers SF fans most, that they've actually won championships*** that nobody actually cares for. That even after all the Rings and the memes, humble Kershaw will always be seen as the GREATEST LEFT HANDER TO EVER LIVE.
>Bumgarner hitting a HR of Kershaw is like winning a Cy Young and pitching triple crown to Giants fans
It's sadder than the 28 years LA has gone without making it to the WS.
>>66758041
I hate delusional Sox fans that really believe a roiding DH has a shot at the hall.
>>66760122
>nobody cares about ships in 10' 12' and 14'
ooookay
>>66760122
>championships don't matter if my team doesn't win them
>maybe if I suck Kershaw's cock hard enough I'll forget that my team can't win
Sounds like you feel pretty inferior, with good reason
>>66760122
>Bumgarner hitting a HR of Kershaw is like winning a Cy Young and pitching triple crown to Giants fans
The hilarious thing is that he's actually done it twice
>>66760136
>talking about individual careers
>"muh rings***"
>talking about postseason
>"muh bum"
>talking about playoffs
>"muh even year"
>>66760140
What's more funny is that as grear as bum is he will never EVER be eclipse Kershaw, even with 6 more rings.
That's the true measurement of greatness. When another nigga in your division has 3 more rings than you and a WS MVP but is still universally agreed upon as the second best or even 4th or 5th best, not even top 10 lmao.
>>66760168
your entire argument here seems to be "Rings dont matter because I say so"
>>66760046
>>possibly the BEST postseason performance of all time
>all he did was become the rp for the last 5 innings enough for the team to catch up through god damn luck
He is midly overrated on many pitching aspects but is a good hitter for a pitcher no doubt.
>using rings as if he earned it himself
The only pitcher in the last 15 years to nearly earn the ring himself was cole hamels , That was real post season pitching at its finest
people forget madson choked a few post season games away too but luckily none ever bit him back
>>66760177
>all he did was become the rp for the last 5 innings enough for the team to catch up through god damn luck
and posted an astronomically low ERA and .whip, AND a CGSO
>>66760182
he played CSGO while pitching? neat
>>66760191
I hope you're just pretending to be retarded
>>66760182
>and posted an astronomically low ERA and .whip, AND a CGSO
in the WS yes
but people give him too much credit, not that none of it is totally unearned he obviously put in work but people praise his performance as if randy johnson never existed , a once in a lifetime thing
>>66760168
Obviously Kershaw is a better pitcher than Bumgarner, Kershaw is by far the best pitcher in baseball, are you happy now faggot? but what does that have to do with Bum getting into the hall? And why are you pretending that World Series rings and post season performance don't effect hof voting? Winning world serieseses is THE point of playing, but I guess a Dodgers fan wouldn't know that
>>66759916
Posey had the best defensive stats of any catcher in the NL in 2015 and is a top 3 framer senpai
Kershaw is clearly the best regular season pitcher and will likely get into the HOF for that. He's a god in the regular season.
He is the Peyton Manning of MLB sans championship rings.
Lol.
>>66760202
>post season performance don't effect hof voting
Apparently they don't if pete rose can't get it but frank thomas can and soon david ortiz
>>66760223
>if pete rose can't get it
really nigga
>>66760223
Hokay, your bait has now transformed into obvious bait
>.25 career WS ERA over 36 innings, the lowest in WS history (minimum 25 innings pitched)
>.43 ERA over 21 innings in the 2014 WS
>2 CGSO's in the same postseason
>Most innings ever pitched in a single postseason
>>66760175
>>66760202
We are talking about individual careers you incredible fucken retard. Rings are a collective achievement.
Felix doesn't have a ring and probably will retire w/o ever pitching in october.
That takes nothing away from his remarkable career.
Felix is the greatest right hander of his generation and will go into the hall without having pitched even a single inning of post season baseball,
That's what true greatness is.
You keep talking about rings as if they actually mattered to the same degree as in the NBA or NFL.
Bumgarner was the 4th starter in 10 and 12 so it's not like he's been a prolific October pitcher, the dude got his shit pushed in more than twice in the WS. (but maybe you don't remebwr because you weren't watching baseball back then)
Bumgarner is a good fucking pitcher, I go watch him every time he comes to LA, I like his passion and he's still so young. I just don't like that people praise his 14' post-season as if it was something that had/never and will never be seen again.
We saw his mate Lincecum ring up 14 fucking K's and 2-hits on a CGSO in 10 and in 15 we saw Cueto throw a CG 2-hitter.
Both superior to any start Bum has ever made. He's good but chill.
Probably way too early, but Altuve?
>>66760244
>the dude got his shit pushed in more than twice in the WS.
He's won every WS game he's ever started and given up a grand total of one run over his entire WS career.
>>66760244
We were talking about Madison Bumgarner until YOU brought up Kershaw for no fucking reason like you always do
Fuck off and go jerk off to your pictures of him.
>>66759878
>DH
>HoF
It's for baseball players, kiddo
>>66760244
Yeah, he's great and he gets to pad that resume with three championships as well, which is a factor in hall of fame voting, whether it be a mild factor or an important factor depends on the person. You're literally retarded if you don't understand this very basic concept
His career ERA is just a hair over 3, at 3.04
At the age of 26 he already has 86 wins, including 18 in the last two seasons
He's going to make it, no doubt
>>66760196
oh sorry, didn't realize this was the no fun thread
>>66760284
18 in each of the last two seasons I meant
>>66760284
>He's going to make it, no doubt
Hard to say with pitchers. They can flame out with zero warning. But if he pitches like this until his early 30's and then spends the next 3-4 years as a decent pitcher, he'll get in no problem.
>>66760250
g-guys? Is he on track to make it?
>>66760259
NLCS excuse me. He couldn't make it out if THE 3rd or 4th inning against STL and had a worse start than any Kershaw vs. STL post season game. Got rocked against Cincy in the DS too and they barely made it out of that series without having faced Cueto.
>>66760284
I'm not denying that Bum isn't good lmao I know his career metrics by memory. He's going to be a hall of famer. I respect him a lot, especially because he debuted as a 20 year old and isn't made if glass but u niggas gotta chill with those 3 rings as if that somehow makes him better than everyone. It's still a collective achievement. I give you 14 as all him but not 10 or 12, that was all Lincecum in 10 and in 12 more of a collective.
Fact of the matter is:
>0 Cy Youngs
>0 ERA TITLES
>0 STRIKEOUT TITLES
>0 WINS TITLE
>0 TRIPLE CROWNS
>0 MVP'S
You know, actual pitching awards through the 162 game season, not the 30 inning post season.
>>66760337
Fact of the matter on Kershit is:
4.59 ERA
2-6 record
0 pennants
0 rings
Multiple entries
>>66760337
Kek, you're funny mate
If I wasn't a Giants fan I would be flinging shit just like you have been. You've mixed your bait in with fair points masterfully in this thread
You can go back to blowing Kershaw now and watch the Giants get into the post season over the Dodgers this year
>>66760351
Do you ask your gf how you your cock compares to her ex? Do your insecurities and inferiority complex bleed into your normal everyday life?
>Bumgarner has and will never lead the league in ANY pitching metrics
>Bumgarner will never be the best pitcher of his division
(refute to this)
>muh 50 inning post season
LAMO I'm done /b/rother. I'm about to smoke this sticky-icky kush and watch this shitty Houston game.
>>66760366
>le Can't Win in Postseason Man
>>66759916
>he thinks game calling is more important than hitting
>>66760337
>citing wins
Is this board still retarded after all these years?
>>66760413
You would rather have fantasy schbarwer handle your pitching staff as your everyday catcher rather than Molina?
Kill yourself immediately you ridiculous fucking simp.
Hitting has always been a premium for catchers just as nobody gives a fuck about good hitting SS. Power positions have historically been 1B and OF.
>>66760427
>what is a triple crown
>>66760436
"Game calling" and "framing" are made up bullshit to illustrate a "grit" and "leadership" narrative for players that don't perform well at the plate. Just about every catcher in baseball is the same with game calling and framing, it really doesn't fucking matter. Obviously, fielding itself matters, but if you would rather have someone like Terry Steinbach catching games for you than Mike Piazza, because of how Steinbach "calls a game", you're retarded and might as well be a disciple of Dusty Baker. You're basically giving a spot in your lineup to a pitcher.
>>66760436
Wins are irrelevant when evaluating pitchers, if you weren't a retard who thinks IT'S PART OF THE TRIPLE CROWN, IT MUST BE GOOD, you would understand this. You were citing Lincecum awhile back. Did you know Jorge De La Rosa won more games than Lincecum during one of Lincecum's Cy Young years? It's a meaningless stat that doesn't provide any context for pitcher performance.
>>66760463
God damn who is your team? The top retard that I've spotted this year Holy shit.
Catcher game calling is a real thing. Some elite pitchers are NOT elite when not with their catcher. Numbers prove this.
Catcher framing is also a real thing. It's literally measured. It elevates an elite pitcher to beyond that. It takes a Wainwright a Kershaw a Hernandez to a higher level. Its measured.
Lol the wins was a subtopic to the 4X Cy Young and lowest ERA in the live-ball era pitcher who is Clayton Kershaw. If not the wins then the 4x strikeout title, 4x ERA tittle, and MVP Clayton Kershaw.
DeLaRosa is also a hall of famer. ERA under 4.5 in 1300 innings @ Coors God damn.
Where is the line drawn between being autistic and pretending to be autistic?
>Le black man on the right
Just needs a ring and he's set desu
>defensive catcher
I didn't know there where offensive catchers in that boring sport.
Stop making ppl believe that baseball is something relevant.
>>66758595
fucking pussy apologists
>>66760244
>You keep talking about rings as if they actually mattered to the same degree as in the NBA or NFL.
nigga you just went full retard. and you mad af
>>66752249
that's not Roy Campanella
>>66760545
Yes, game calling and framing are real things in the sense that they exist, however they are not paramount to success. They mean nothing compared to actual fielding prowess and how a catcher performers as a hitter. Again, would you rather have Brad Ausmus as your catcher, or Joe Mauer?
If you claim "numbers prove this" and "its measured", then why don't you provide a link with these numbers.
And I didn't suggest Kershaw wasn't a Hall of Famer or that De La Rosa was one, I stated that wins don't provide context. I know you're a Dodgers fan, so thinking and reading comprehension aren't your strong suits, but please try harder next time.
>>66752327
>>66752334
Its "nohs" if you mean the annoying as fuck trip from tigers threads who is the only mother fucker who actually likes this pile of shit as a catcher.
>>66760545
>DeLaRosa is also a hall of famer. ERA under 4.5 in 1300 innings @ Coors God damn.
As if the name "@dontreplytome" didn't give away that you're a troll.
Pedroia
>>66752249
Probably. Great defense, if he could get the bat going it would be a shoe in, but the HOF needs more catchers.
>>66753528
a few more cups and yes.
>>66753888
shit, I guess sometimes we just get a little defensive because it does kind of turn into us against the world every year because every other fanbase fucking hates us. I can see where that would get pretty annoying though.
>>66758041
fuck no
>>66758889
>best defensive catcher in baseball
>>66759884
I wish.
>>66759938
probably not.
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