ITT players that never progressed
he'd start for most teams
robinho
Gotze
lelbeck
krapernik
Odegaard in a few years if he doesn't leave Halal Madrid ASAP
>Cristian Tello
>Isaac Cuenca
>Jeffren
>Bojan
>Martin Montoya
>Andreu Fontas
>Jonathan dos Santos
Pretty much 90% of La Masia products in the last 5 years
>>66751924
he's already a multi-millionaire anyways.
Jordan Morris
>>66751964
Yes, he is currently stealing a great living, but he could be doing that at several other clubs that would have been way better for his development as a player.
defenitly this guy
>>66751943
Jonathan actually had pretty good half of the season, sadly he got a pretty bad injury and is now just back from it.
>>66751999
>but he could be doing that at several other clubs
no other club would pay as much as RM does for a guy who hasn't even debuted.
>>66752005
Too soon to call at 17, but Madrid will probably be the end of his career. Shit move.
>>66751877
Gotze
>>66751943
Bojan is actually a quality player now at his PL team right now.
>>66751943
This. You forgot Thiago Alcantara.
But this happens with all the teams. Many get lost at the final step.
>>66751943
Celta follower here. Fontas was actually pretty solid for >us last year, he's been really unlucky with injuries this season.
>no mention of hazard
On a pure footballing level he is objectively the most talented player on this earth. With a different attitude and/or team he would've been an all time great. Such a shame he's already 25 fucking years old.
>>66752053
same with this guy
Any English player used by Arsenal in the past decade.
>>66752061
He was a better player in 2008 than he is right now. He looked like a future Ballon d'Or contender back then, a Martial tier talent.
>>66752072
Thiago actually progressed though, injuries definitely limited him but he's a very good midfielder and a much better player than in 2010/11
>>66752072
NIGGA U WOT?
Thiago is a keyplayer in peps system
he just got unlucky injuries but STRONK
>>66752095
Robin had one GOAT season for Manchester United. Ashley Cole also did pretty well for Chelsea.
>>66752088
He's been very good for Gijon this season and Sevilla and Valencia reportedly want him on loan for the next one.
>>66752108
Bojan was going to fucking Euro 2008 but he rejected the call.
Freddy Adu
the new Pelé, the next Maradona, the one who will beat Messi's records
>>66752049
Not as much, but he would probably be the best paid 16 year old in the game either way. Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund and PSG were all drooling for him, and he visited most of them, some flew him in in a private jet. All of them would have been better for his career, and with the competition for his signing, they'd have to fork out some cash.
The ideal move football wise would have been Ajax, though.
>>66752108
>>66752109
He's exactly the same player that he was on 2010/2011.
>>66752077
>On a pure footballing level Hazard is objectively the most talented player on this earth.
>>66752108
poor man's pedro
>>66752172
Cmon m8, he was just a promising kid in 10/11. He barely even played until Pep started resting everyone for the CL semis/final in late April and May.
Now he's a top 10 CM in the world.
>>66752184
Ignoring some of the established top top players like Messi and Suarez of course.
>>66752220
>Now he's a top 10 CM in the world.
Piotrek.....
>>66752236
Ok, maybe I overstated him a bit but definitely top 20
>>66752112
Van Persia isn't English.
Cole left a decade ago
>>66752220
And now he's not a promising kid because he's been improving his game and solved many of his mistakes.
Oh wait, he didn't. The only argument is how much he plays in a stacked team and how he fails against decent ones if he even plays.
He's the next Guti.
>>66752053
He'll be GOAT just wait
i remember when everybody was talking about tobinho as the new pelé, he ended being up one of the most mediocre players that played on the elite
>>66752262
Better but debatable, depends if you'd take CAMs and CDMs into consideration as well
Random note are you the Polski Monachium fan in Bundles threads
>>66752265
he's a cog in the machine, but that's much more than 95% of La Masia prospects will accomplish.
>>66752262
>top 20
PIOTREK...
>>66752265
He played on an even more stacked team in 2011-2012 and didn't look as good as he does now. His performance vs Arsenal has been one of the best of the season and he was great against Juventus too.
I'd say he progressed rather well considering he battled through injuries that would end some careers.
>>66752304
>Random note are you the Polski Monachium fan in Bundles threads
Nope. I'm actually a Barcelona fan
>>66752301
his finishing was terrible
he had some good performances, though, and showed up for the national team
>>66752077
If you're not doing great shit by 22/23 you're probably not going to get any better.
>>66752339
>great against juventus
if that's how you understand football then is quite easy too understand why he is good.
>>66752301
>implying Robinho isn't better than every Colombian player ever
>>66752357
>who is jonas
>>66752366
>why you think he's good
>>66752339
>Nope. I'm actually a Barcelona fan
Ahh that fella, I've seen you around
Fellow Legiafag too or elsewhere in extraklasa
>>66752366
He came off the bench, instantly improved his team's passing ability and decided the biggest game of the season.
If that's not great then we'd need an incredibly strict definition of great.
>>66752394
I live in Warsaw so yeah.
>>66752357
>willian
>ivanovic
>vardy
>mahrez
>van persie
Just a few names on the top of my head. Tons more.
>>66752422
Come grab a beer in July if you're around
>>66752376
i didn't imply that
we're improving tough, unlike brazil, this could be the first time in history that Brazil's NT wouldn't go to the WC
>>66752429
di Natale too. A bunch of players are late bloomers.
>>66752422
He was absolutely lost on the field and looked like he didn't even know his team, but if scoring a goal makes him good being a MF then all for you Poland
>>66752429
Luca Toni
>>66752088
flop?
clearly you haven't seen him play, and he will probably go to Valencia next season
Raheem sterling hasn't progressed in years
>>66752477
to be fair iv only noticed the time at barca and he was just a standard player there maybe yeah valencia or like the polack says sevilla could be good stations .. but barca is a number too high
>>66751943
I'd rather say they were never that good to begin with, they hit their ceiling early. Only because La Masia hype people expected from them to reach Iniesta/Busquets (or in worst case Pedro) level.
>>66752386
>>66752429
I'm talking ballon d'or tier
R9
Messi
CR
All balloon winners by that age.
>>66752498
uwotm8
marketvalue 50millions +/-
>>66752522
Fuck fallonthefloor
>>66752150
also the guy who sells vacuum cleaner
>>66752433
I should be.
>>66752458
Pic related. His passing was decent. He won possession back a couple times and orchestrated the most important goal of the game (he didn't just score it, he started the passing move as well). I don't know how can you hate on that kind of contribution in a 20 minute cameo.
>>66752511
I'm not going to pretend like I've been regularly watching Gijon but he's been getting good reviews and was actually Gijon's best player in their latest game against Barcelona.
I think he has a chance to be a starter there in 2-3 years. Right now he's obviously not even close to being good enough
>>66752572
Obviously forgot pic
>>66752562
lel us is such a meme
>>66752562
>this pic
Every time
>>66752436
>we are improving
so is Belgium; and just like them, you're food for hype but there's no achievement.
and as for brazil's NT: the worst it becomes, the better; the pressure will pile on those that are plaguing the football federation, so it's for the best.
not that any brazilian cares about that though. who cares about football is likely more concerned with the club they support. Everyone I ever saw attend NT games were casuals.
why would anyone care about an abused franchise and decisions done by leeches? the worse they get, the better.
>>66752670
Tbf you're making a pretty good point here. People that attend or watch national games are almost always people that don't actually care about football.
THIS...WAS....ABSOLUTELY.....SICK!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38X7ho4E07w
>>66752765
shit wrong thread :D
>>66752498
Liverpool fan here, he has but not as much as city hoped I think. They didn't factor in he's really inconsistent, won them a few games in the champions league but hasn't shown up in the PL for them since the start of the season. he's world class if he sorts his consistency out but idk if he ever can
People seem to forget that he looked like so much more than just another black English pacebabby when he first burst onto the scene.
>>66752800
I mean even before he went to city he kinda stagnated under Rodgers. Point taken though
>>66752876
brodge would change his position constantly, he went from using him as a lone striker to an attacking midfielder to a wing back, often in the same game. clearly got to him, just stopped performing. he wasn't ready to carry a team yet and brodge asked him to lead the line, realised he couldn't so started swapping him around randomly to try and get him form back, it just never worked. didn't begrudge him the move, it was his agent stirring shit and i frankly don't think he's worth 50m, just because i'm not sure he will ever get consistent
>>66752846
See Walcott and Gibbs
De Sciglio, he even regressed
>>66752376
He isnt though.
Buonanotte
he was supposed to be kind of a big deal, but then he got in that car accident and his last season in River Plate basically made sure he'd never improve
Buonanotte showed a few sparks at Malaga, but eventually left anyways.
>>66752150
Messi didn't even have any records yet when Adu hype was going on
>>66752522
Suarez, he was basically a literally who outside of holland at 24 and the whole handball thing
Pretty much any U21 striker that showed some promise here never amounted to anything
>>66753374
who cares
Adu would beat them
Theo Walcuck
he probably doesnt fit perfectly in this category since he had an ok carrer, but could be much better if he did not tergiversate (i dont know if i used this word properly)
>>66753578
he's exactly the same player he was at 19, it's terrifying to think about the future stars of any club could just not improve at all in basically 10 years and still rise up the money chain
>>66753578
>>66753649
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-walcott-is-developing-ahead-of-messsi
reminder
>>66753578
and the best part is that he will never leave arsenal, to expensive to for not doing shit
>>66752562
can't believe jojo went out with this guy
>>66753668
lmao wenger is a retard
he said that in October 2008 too, holy shit
amazing that arsenal.com didn't take that down
>>66753578
>>66753649
this is wrong actually, he is clearly a better player than he was at 19 (ignoring injuries)
however, he got overhyped hugely - he's gone from fast but amazingly bad at anything involving a football, to fast and below average (for a prem player) at some things with a football
>>66753787
I really don't know about clearly. only thing he's improved is his finishing, his first touch, dribbling movement and passing haven't improved at all really. he's essentially the same player but finishes better, if you wanna be nitpicky
>>66753822
he is better at all of those things though, especially dribbling
he was a disaster anytime he got near a ball when he was 19, aside from a couple of highlights where he get a through ball and has to finish without taking a touch or thinking
i think people are forgetting just how shit he was
Literally 'Walcott: The Thread'
![1451179984898[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9czJLup.jpg "1451179984898[1].jpg")
>le have sex with sister while making zero progress and doing fuck all every season for 4 years yet somehow convincing a significant number of delusional people that you are still a top player man
>>66753880
britcucks cant get into a consensus if he was always horseshit or if he improved to just shit
Jack Wilshire
I remember when Arselel fans said he shuld play for Barca.
>>66753880
Every single picture and post in this thread could be Walcott and oxlade chaberlain alone and it'd be a good thread. They're all as good as they were 5 years ago, arguably worse.
>>66753637
Why do people forget the horrible injuries this guy got?
>>66753992
because he willingly chose to get risky surgery rather than heal naturally just so he could make the world cup team
Guys, don't forget Oxlade too.
>>66753901
as a chelsea follower I can say without a doubt that Oscar is significantly worse than when he came in 2012. Back then he seemed to have GOAT potential and for a brief moment after starring up the u20 levels and scoring THAT goal against Juventus. For a brief moment people could legitimately claim that he was the future of Brazil. Now he's a passenger in every game
>>66754015
blooters are not indicative of talent
one of the main reasons 99% of football fans are retards when it comes to rating players is because they love blooters too much
![Raphael-Varane-600312[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zsmttYR.jpg "Raphael-Varane-600312[1].jpg")
He actually refuses to progress, because his "style is based on muh anticipation'
>>66754003
and you wouldn't? of course you would of course anyone would
>>66754073
im not saying i wouldnt but thats why he doesnt get that much sympathy for muh injuries, the surgery is why he lost so much of his initial speed not the injury itself, and he made the choice
this ninja turtle lookin chuckle cuck right here
Sneijder
>>66754044
it was a bit more than a blooter to be fair, the entire play was individually brilliant and the best thing he's done in a chelsea jersey since. But in his first season he was sharp, had a lot of flair, and had no trouble beating his man or scoring. Nowadays he drifts around in games having no impact or losing the ball anytime he tries. He only saves face in a Brazil kit if anything, and he's falling ou of favor there too despite Brazil midfield always looking disorganized without him
>>66753416
>scores 49 goals in 45 games for Ajax
>literally who
Okay m8 whatever you say
Still is only 26
He was the big big thing, not Ronaldo
>>66754395
I'd stop caring about I proving too if I lead my team to a treble while scoring and assisting left right and centre, then scoring and assisting for my country while leading them to the wc final, then still losing the Ballon d'Or to messi
waste talent of the century
cocaine is a hell of a drug
>Say my name
>>66754542
how the fuck do these hues trick people to give them money, this flop is going to get a 5 year 100K+ a week contract from chelsea
fucking abramovich has some severe hue fetish
arsenal's "english core", the thread
>>66754592
>this flop is going to get a 5 year 100K+ a week contract from chelsea
are you sure? after his game against swansea I doubt it
>>66754534
>>66754643
FUCK!
>>66754542
We use the term "pato" (duck) to someone who's talentless btw
>>66751943
The thing is most of those players have and would do better after they leave Barca if they aren't already at peak Pedro level by 22.
![44589[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/14Sq3uS.jpg "44589[1].jpg")
And yet he will still be starting in the Euros.
>>66754534
even if he didn't progress one bit from his early peak and just kept going he'd still be among the best strikers in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76T7mBsVeTs
>that class
he had such a bright future, what went wrong?
>>66754768
oh yes
>>66753947
That performance he put against Barcelona in the CL when he was like 19 was insane.
>>66753637
Que palavra que você que tentou falar aí, cara?
>>66754763
>starting him over dier
surely woy wont do it, w-will he?
Januzaj has gone backwards if anything
Juan Roman Riquelme
>>66751943
Bojan has been great for Stoke m8. Now literally whos like Jeffren otoh
>from la Masia and scoring the 5th goal of the historic 5-0 against Halal to playing in the fucking Belgian 2nd league
No other player has fallen off that badly desu
>>66754778
low stamina...seriously, he couldn't last a whole game,
>>66758067
>get big head under shit manager
>get sent out on loan by new manager
>can't even make the matchday squad at loan club
>get buried in u-21s when you get back to parent club
>have to watch u-21s get called up and perform well when called upon
You'd think he'd get the fucking hint, but it seems like hes going to flame out soon enough tbqh.
>>66758720
I'd pick Januzaj over Young any day of the week
Fuck Ashley Young
>>66758339
i think riquelme's problem was he liked being a number 10 and thats it. defense wasnt something he looked forward too, just having the ball and creating.
He would have had a longer career in Europe had he went to Italy.
>>66758734
How shit do you have to be to not even be able to make the bench when Ashley Young gets playing time? I mean wow.
>>66757318
And he hasn't done much since then.
>>66753901
>le have sex with sister
Lol wut?
>>66752357
klose played like 5th league or so until he was 22
Pato
Wilshere
Walcott
Chamberlain
Affelay
Adriano
Cassano
Jerome rothen
Arsenal players can be excused for being plagued by wengeritis.
>>66754534
Well at least he was the undisputed GOAT on PES6
>>66761752
iirc he posted a picture of himself on twitter or some shit in bed with his sister (or was it sisters?) and it all looked rather too intimate if you catch my drift
>>66761061
He has had some great performances when coming back from injury but then gets sidelined again for another 4-8 months ffs
Always motm when England play too. Not sure if it's saying much but he is still England's best midfielder by far
>>66752562
what the fuck, like seriously.. this is such a good picture that sums up Freddy Adu's false rise and "fall" from grace, as if he was even up high enough in grace to fall from there, HA . Farts.
>>66751943
>playing with Barca is easy they said
he deserved it tho
>signing for RM
>>66762205
You just know it
>>66762506
gotta keep brazil white somehow
>>66762506
to be fair must be hard to resist if those two slags are your sisters and they are coming on to you like that
this
>>66751943
I'd replace Jonathan with his worthless older brother Giovani. Jonathan has been pretty good at Villareal.
>>66754763
>>66757985
He's been consistently good for England. If he's fit, he should, and most likely will start.
His form for Arsenal (when he actually plays) is relatively inconsistent but he's looked brilliant every time he's pulled on an England shirt.
>>66752997
He looked better than both of them.
Walcott always looked like a pacebabby. Gibbs was never seen as a huge prospect he just kinda showed up out of nowhere. I reckon if we give him a run of games (which he would never get because Monreal is significantly better) then he'd regain form but until then he'll stagnate.
But Ox genuinely looked brilliant when he first arrived at Arsenal.
>oxlade chamberlain was always just another pacebabby
I'm putting this meme to rest right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzqm6zsawlc
>>66762990
>posts blooters
kys
stupid brits
His face never progressed.
Looks like a 14-year-old.
>>66762990
>training goals
>>66762506
Is this KissxSis LA? I thought i was on /sp/.
>>66762506
i would
>>66762990
I remember when he first burst on the scene and everyone was saying to drop anyone at all and start him
Where did it all go wrong
>>66762990
>training goals
fuckin ph ganso
>>66752357
Drogba was a literal who around that age. He was 24/25 when he got into Marseille and Chelsea
>>66753262
>Buonanotte
>accidentally kill three of your friends
>booed by opposition fans as a murderer
>ever make the mental hurdles it takes to be a pro
Can't blame him.
>>66762553
kek
>>66762474
>kovacic is at RM and has played 22 games
When the fuck did that happen?
Javier little fag Hernandez
>>66765936
Indio envidioso detectado
>>66751943
They were overhyped, but most of them are perfectly good players for any midtable team.
>>66753901
That's just not true. Oscar didn't stagnate at all. He's regressing.
He went from a dozen goals and being one of the team's best players in his debut season (12/13) to the useless piece of shit he is now.
Look at this goals/assists year-by-year. With each new year he manages fewer of them.
