Is he the greatest fullback of all time?
>inb4 Cafu
>inb4 Maldini
In his peak, Alves could defend as well as anyone, and no fullback has ever matched his attacking prowess. He exemplifies the balance between attacking and defending better than any fullback in the history of football.
>>66480228
and to think he was extremely close to leave for united? before last season. Thank god messi convinced him to stay
>greatest fullback of all time
>not Jim Brown
silly Brits
No, but he's top 5
>>66480228
>inb4 Cafu
>inb4 Maldini
^WC winners
>He exemplifies the balance between attacking and defending better than any fullback in the history of football.
^Cafu right there.
kill you're self.
nah
nah and his usual bad performances for Brazil are indicative that he is partly a Barca system baby
>>66480228
Messi-baby.
hahaha no
hide behind a team full of goat attackers in a meme leauge
>>66480284
>^WC winners
>Maldini
>WC winner
opinion discarded
>>66480304
>>66480332
He was the best RB in the world at Sevilla
>>66480332
He was GOAT for Sevilla. That's why Barca bought him.
He was their most creative player.
He's great, autists are idiots who would claim otherwise
Cafu was still better, if there's an overrated rb these days its lahm, he's great as well but fuck get off his nuts you kraut nuthugging faggots. Key word being overrated
No. Definitely not.
>>66480228
He wasnt really good at defending lol
Barcelona just played so high up the pitch that his pace was usually enough to break up an attack so that the centre backs could get into position
Really Dani Alves is overrated as FUCK
>>66480358
>Sevilla
literally who
Daniel Alves is a failed midfielder.
No he isn't, also he's scum.
>>66480228
he is also a diving faggot so nope
Nope, he is not, also
Lahm > Alves
yes he is, also he isn't scum
>>66480636
So is robben
>>66480639
nah
>>66480228
Great tackling to stop counter attacks but that's pretty much all defensively.
He's the brazilian Danny Rose, except much more skilled.
alves is gd but hate this attitude desu
Alves is a great player, but as a fan I'd rather watch Marcelo or Alaba play
What about Roberto Carlos?
>>66480729
They talk shit about him here but he was great and a horse in a human body as well
He's got like 30 trophies
>>66480361
>if there's an overrated rb these days its lahm, he's great as well but fuck get off his nuts you kraut nuthugging faggots. Key word being overrated
So much this.
Alves eating the banana webm pls
>>66480707
Alves is 32, Marcelo 27 and Alaba (23) isn't even a full back. When Alves was 25 he was creative as fuck.
>>66480228
For country, no. For club, he's the greatest right back of all time and the greatest offensive fullback of all-time. I think Maldini has a legit argument for being the greatest fullback overall, though.
Dani is comfortably better than Cafu, who's deified now but was constantly criticized and scrutinized when he was active, and was never once in his active days considered better than R. Carlos.
IMO a tier above Thuram, Zanetti, Lahm etc.
>>66480643
>robben is half as bad as anyone from Barca.
>>66480797
That's not a good argument, must mean zanetti and maldini are shit then
Stupid kebabs
>>66480833
At diving? He's just as bad you blind biased faggot
>>66480851
i think robben is better than >>66480833
>>66480902
No, they don't have the uncanny ability to transform into a sphere while diving
Seriously, he's one of the scummiest divers ever, that 2010 cup he became a transformer
>>66480228
he definitely does not get even the slightest of recognition
extremely skilled with the ball, tireless, and above-average at defending
>>66480254
>goat
>never played in Europe
>0 world cups
>>66480228
Zanetti is my favorite player ever, so that's all I can comment itt
>>66480228
He's a piece of shit both at defense and attack.
He only excels at diving and chimping out
>>66481369
t. tsuuuuuuu
>>66481369
this
s he the greatest fullback of all time?
>inb4 Cafu
>inb4 Maldini
Even today, he can defend better than anyone, and no fullback has ever matched his attacking prowess. He exemplifies the balance between attacking and defending better than any fullback in the history of football, and he can play right OR left back.
Out of all non-Spanish players that have played for Barca, only Messi has played more games than Alves. That is a pretty good indication of his talent and value to the team.
I think alves is in the closet bruhs
>>66481369
Le city of halal
>>66480228
no but he doesn't get enough credit
>>66480254
>people arguing for anyone except this man
>>66481464
t. Qatar(lonia) Airways FC
>>66481741
Roberto Carlos > Marcelo > Alves, as far as brazilibros go
>>66480228
Great for Sevilla and Barcelona in club-best periods, but pretty wank for Brazil (who were wank themselves)
>>66481773
>>66481773
>>66481983
>>66480791
>Alaba has never played fullback
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4-Z4WnBvh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QXHU-b4Obk
>implying brainless Cafu or workhorse Maldini could pull off this beautiful freeflowing associative football and literally become a CM for his team mid-match
>implying Marcelo can defend like that
Alves is the GOAT along with R. Carlos
I don't rate full backs, it's a babby position.
>not good enough defensively to be a CB
>not good enough offensively to be a midfielder/winger
>>66482992
THIS AND
>>66481437
THIS
Shame he's at the end of his career because Alexei nowhere near as good
>>66482992
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QXHU-b4Obk
GOAT. Cafu and Carlos don't compare.
Wim Suurbier
>>66481436
agreed
>>66480228
>In his peak, Alves could defend as well as anyone,
Not as well as Maldini, he's defeding was ok at best and is now subpar. I'd love to see him trying at CB kek
Maldini was good at going forward too, maybe not as good as him but RB are still defenders
>>66483027
>t. person who has never played a game of football
It's more like
>more technical, quicker, fitter and better at attacking, than center back
>more disciplined, fitter, stronger and more tactically aware than a winger
Fullback is one if the most difficult positions to play in modern football.
>>66483410
>RB are still defenders
if you're on the ball 70% of the time and the other 30% is composed of counterpressing/fast breaks so you never have to actually sit down and defend then no, they aren't.
rating players in a vacuum is a meme
>>66482992
>posting a video where all he does is persistently make 4-meter passes to messi even when he shouldn't
see: >>66480317
>>66483410
>I'd love to see him trying at CB kek
>rating defensive abilities of a full back based on whether he can play at centre back
retard
>>66483461
Just saying, your favorite Fullback wouldn't be able to "play 4 meter passes" like that.
>>66483461
It's harder to complete quick 4 meter passes in tight spaces than 40m crossfield balls to unmarked team mates
>>66483027
>unironically being this stupid
>>66480254
thank you for doing this so i didnt have to
>>66483461
>tf
>tt
od
>>66483518
why not? his brain is wired to pass to Messi, he doesn't have to face with hard decisions before acting. Mistakes happen when you're undecided for too long.
>>66480228
Not even close, even in his prime he was never better than even Lahm
>>66483581
what does "od" mean here? I never understood
>>66483027
In modern football, fullbacks see the ball more than players of any other position.
>>66483581
>tf
>this post
od
>>66483628
yeah it's cos they're usually free and not under pressure, hence why it's a babby position.
>>66483607
Opinion discarded
>>66483593
His peak was easily better than Lahm.
>>66483678
>replying to a post as stupid as that
>>66483678
Bundes wasn't always Buyernwinslol you know, and Lahm has consistently performed for both club and country with great leadership. Defensively he's miles ahead of Alves, and their crossing and interplay is comparable to say the least.
Alves never showed consistency with Brazil, and is getting replaced by Aleix Vidal as I write this.
Alves has pace and is better at shooting.
Crossing and short-passing about the same
Lahm has everything else
No bias, I hate Bayern and Barca alike
>>66480228
>Alves
>Defense
Pick one
Dennis Irwin lads
>>66483966
>you
>watching football
pick one
Gary nev
The GOAT
>>66484023
>>66484035
Maybe if he had won something with England he would be in the conversation.
There was a really good piece on him in the Guardian a week or two ago. He's got more appearances than any foreigner in Barcelona's history, apart from Messi. And you don't do that at a team like Barcelona unless you're one of the best in the world.
Maybe not the best ever, but if you don't rate him you're a retard.
>>66484150
witnessed
>>66480830
>NT level is a valid reference
no, it isn't. it's merely a bonus.
>>66483783
You keep talking about Alves in the present tense. He's almost 33.
When comparing their peaks, Lahm doesn't even come close Alves' interplay and attacking qualities.
Alves' role for Brazil, Sevilla and Barca has also been more demanding of him in comparison to Lahm's role for Bayern.
>>66484150
this. I mean there's obviously not 1 set of criteria for what makes a fullback good, different people won't fit in certain systems, but excel in others.
This guy has been a regular in one of the best sides in history for years. It's not like they are cash strapped or lacking for players who want to join the team. You'd have to be retarded to think he's not elite.
>>66484023
>>66484035
Neville played beyond his means. Still very talented, but reliant on intelligence as much as natural ability. Which isn't an inherently bad thing. Too many defenders in modern football are technically very talented but without any tactical nous.
Neville was a great crosser though. Just overshadowed Beckham, a godly crosser, playing in front of him.
>>66485063
He's still essential in a team that just won a treble, has a decent lead in liga table, is in the final of copa and still in champions league. I'd say it's ok to talk about him in present tense
>>66485123
He was great last season. But even better 5 years ago.
Barca babby. He couldn't even get in the Brazil team ahead of Maicon in his prime lmao
>literally anyone but Maldini
You kidding op? This nigga couldn't replace maicon in 2010 and was replaced by maicon in 2014! He's JUST the RB.
>>66486969
>football is not played outside of World Cups
>>66480254
came for this
>>66480254
>see thread
>think to myself "how many posts until I see Jim Brown"
>2 posts
Thank you sir
>>66486591
I can't really argue this because Brazilian managers were godawful at choosing players post-06.
>>66487003
Point is he couldn't better someone else twice in his position.
/Thread
>>66487065
Point is you're a retard
>this flag
>this topic
He's the Victor Valdes of right backs. Just good enough and consistent enough to not need replacing, but not really elite.
>>66487192
>Poland
>Doing anything in football
>>66487266
dumb frogposter
>>66487293
Only people with noses bigger than jews are Pollacks. I wonder why....
>>66482992
>literally become a CM for his team mid-match
both alaba and lahm are better at this than him
>>66487232
>actually believing this
Prime Maicon > prime Alves
>>66490327
This.
>>66490327
eh, 8 good seasons > one good season
>>66490327
say what you shitty basterd
>>66480228
>7-1
>>66490327
Maicon could never defend.
He was a pace-babby.
>>66490574
Nice meme lad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUXMEcdTgeo
GOAT.
Alana is better right now
Peak Ivanović>Peak Alves
>>66490327
>Maicon
>Career ended by Bayol
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAcP1gxNQZw
>>66490969
gr8 b8 m8.
>>66480228
Maldini is the best full back of all time. Literally indisputable.
>>66480228
Maicon was better.
>>66480228
Is this thread a satirical joke?
Rafael (the little Brazillian mophead fullback who used to play for United) was vastly superior in attack and defense during the 09-12 period.
>>66491613
Are you mentally ill?
>>66480228
ashley cole was better
not even in the top 5 best in the world during his peak, let alone of all time
what's with people overrating that barcelona back 5? it was utterly shit
>puyol
fucking shit, greasy little cunt screaming at referees to give his side a free-kick/penalty and to give the opposition cards does not = world class football. yes he gave 100%, so fucking what? so did scott parker. doesn't make him a top player. puyol is the spanish version of john terry. run around a lot and throw your body in front of the ball and play up to the 'brave and fearless leader' bollocks despite playing like utter shit and being caught out of position and all over the place.
>pique
beyond shit, wasn't even good enough to be manchester united's 5th choice CB, yet 1 month of playing in loliga and he's suddenly up there with the best CBs in the world and is being included in every FIFA 11 of the season... as if by magic... fuck off. utterly average. sure he's good with the ball and can pass better than most defenders but the guy still wouldn't be getting regular starts for manchester united if he remained at the club.
>alves
an absolute disaster defensively, might have been a good player and a good winger, but he's a fucking shit-tier defender and a shit-tier fullback. fuck off.
>valdes
he's okay, a solid 7/10 keeper. comparable to neuer, casillas, buffon, de gea, cech, courtois, navas, bravo, hart et al? is he fuck. nowhere near world class.
let's not fuck around, barcelona 09-12 were arguably the GOAT football team because of Messi and to a lesser extent Xavi and Iniesta. let's not kid ourselves into believing that these 2/3 star players have been supported by world class footballers throughout the entire starting 11 because that's simply not true, it's like saying david fucking may was responsible for manchester united winning the treble in 1999 or that motta and chivu were world class footballers that won the treble for Inter in 2010. it's just not true and nobody is dumb enough to think it
>>66491785
No. Are you?
There's not a single United fan who would have swapped Rafael for Alves in 2009, 2010, 2011 or 2012. Not a fucking chance.
>>66491864
excellent post
>>66491882
>There's not a single United fan who would have swapped Rafael for Alves in 2009, 2010, 2011 or 2012. Not a fucking chance.
That says more about how retarded United fans are than how good Alves/Rafael were
>>66491864
>muh messi
whats he won without that barca defence?
>>66491864
Since about 2010 the world has convinced itself that Real Madrid and Barcelona are elite football clubs ahead of everyone else and nobody else even comes close.
This delusion has resulted in overrating of their shit players as you have pointed out.
The following have been world class
>Suarez
>Neymar
>Iniesta
>Xavi
>Busquets (arguably)
>Modric
>Ronaldo
>Bale
>Zlatan (arguably)
And that's it. Ramos, Pique, Puyol, Pepe, Benzema, Pedro and the rest of them are average footballers playing for a slightly above average club supplemented by Ronaldo/Messi
>>66491847
Miles better.
Evra too
>>66491901
No it doesn't. Rafael was better at defending and had a higher ceiling. It was a no-brainer.
>>66491891
thanks senpai
it's something that grinds my gears
>>66491901
Alves is an unsavoury dirty cheat, one of the dirtiest cheats in world football in fact, why would anyone except a scummy spic want him at their football club?
>>66491882
>>66491901
>>66491947
back in 2010 i would have said rafael was the better player and would rather keep him, but his injuries proved to be costly and overall i would rather have alves (for his career consistency).
peak alves and peak rafael? i pick rafael everytime because the guy was a beast and easily 1v1'd the best attackers in the game. my favourite was vs bale when he absolutely destroyed him (tackled him god knows how many times and then outpaced/outtricked him all the way back up the flank) was a beautiful thing to watch
genuinely thought he had a chance of becoming the GOAT, gutted he was just a meme
>>66492024
>rafael
>ever good
>>66492024
>tfw Jones is in exactly the same boat and will probably be sold this summer or next summer because he can't keep fit
So incredibly frustrating. Could have had
Rafael---Smalling--Jones--Shaw
with Smalling being by far the weakest player. As it turns out Smalling is by far our strongest defender.
Such a waste.
No one cares about your shitty weeaboo image board opinions you bitter anti barca little shits
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/14/dani-alves-barcelona-happier-before-fame
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2009/jan/26/dani-alves-barcelona-leo-messi
>>66491882
No, I'm a United fan. You're being retarded.
Rafael was good around 09-12, although with injuries, and had one great season in 12/13. He has never been as good as Dani Alves.
>>66491864
What a terrible post.
For clubs, yes. I also would argue he is the best in Barcelona's history
>>66492125
Nah, your're being retarded. Would take any of Wes, Nev and Rafael over Alves in a heartbeat and so would most non-retards. O'Shea and Jones as makeshift RBs were also better options defensively.
Alves in his peak is about as good as Darmian is now in terms of defending. Decent, nothing special and prone to stupid mistakes.
People need to realise that assists is not an important statistic for a DEFENDER to have. The point of a RB is to defend your goal first and foremost, not to spend 80% of the game in the opposition's half.
The key attributes are in order:
1. Positioning
2. Marking
3. Tackling/blocking crosses from coming in
>>66494286
>People need to realise that assists is not an important statistic for a DEFENDER to have. The point of a RB is to defend your goal first and foremost, not to spend 80% of the game in the opposition's half.
You're living in the past.
The 'winger' is dead. It's never been more important for fullbacks to be creative.
>>66491934
The moment that Puyol was considered world class was when Barcelona was utter shit and didn't win anything. Many years before 2010. Respect yourself, if you were born in 2002 it's not our fault.
Also
>Busquets (arguably)
kek
>>66487041
Maicon was a beast though and outside of Barca's system he was the better choice for Brazil.
>>66491934
>Busquets (arguably)
It's time to stop posting.
