there isn't like a TOP 5 ever player list because you cannot compare modern football with football that didn't even had offside rule. There are just era's of certain players who domminated, so let's make it clear:
>irrelevant era
>Di Stefano era
>Pele era (SA) ------- Beckenbauer/Muller era (Europe)
>Cruyff era
>Maradona era
>Romario era
>Ronaldo era
>Ronaldinho era
>Messi era
I actually sort of agree
>>66422255
>>Romario era
>>Ronaldinho era
u dun goofed OP
Ronaldinho is one of my favorite players but you can't call 2 or 3 years of goatness an era
>no penal era
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_(association_football)
>Ronaldinho era
3 years isn't an Era la
>>66422255
Agreed up until Ronaldo (the fat one).
Basically every player in that list carried both their clubs and their national teams on their backs for many years, winning many titles in local and worldwide championships and cups.
From Ronaldinho onwards nope. Messi is a club baby, can't perform at all in the NT, same for CR, Neymar, Kaka and others.
List is missing Zidane.
> inb4 "I rate Zidane". What does that even mean?
But right now is the Vardy era
we are now beginning the Dele Alli era
pre 50s: irrelevant
50s: Di Stefano
60s: Pele
70s: Cruyff
80s: Maradona
90s: no clear goat
00s: no clear goat
10s: Messi
>>66425692
> Messi
not until he wins anything with argie. I bet many great players of those eras were eclipsed by the ones in the list for not performing well in the NT.
Take the Brazilian squad in 84/88 for instance. Magic squad, the world doesn't remember a name because they won didily squat.
But everybody remembers Platini.
>>66425516
Then why don't you have a problem with fat Ronaldo?
7 games isn't an era either.
>>66425568
>List is missing Zidane.
3 goals in finals isn't an era
>>66425748
So Cruijff can never be called one, thanks for clearing that up
>Romario
What the fuck?
Not even in the top 50 forwards of the past 30 years. Consider suicide.
>>66425748
>the world doesn't remember a name
>Zico and Socrates are not famous
>The World Cup is important
Nope. Means absolutely fuck all. A player is judged on his performances over the season and more accurately 2-3 seasons of his peak.
Sure, Zidane played well in the 98 world cup, but then he went on to get absolutely BOSSED by Roy Keane in two European games. So that's that out the window
Keane > Zidane
And don't even get me started on how far Scholes is ahead of Zidane...
>>66425787
For you.
50s - Duncan Edward/Bobby Charlton
60s - George Best
70s - Cruyff
80s - Maradona
90s - Giggs/Shearer
00s - Kaka/Ronaldinho/Rooney
10s - Messi/Ronaldo
That's how I see it anyway.
>>66425748
Haha this much damage control
It's been his era and he doesn't need to win it. This will be remember as the time Messi dominated football. Who elses other name are they going to put for this era. Ronaldo?? Zatlan? Rooney??
>>66425843
Who are you responding to? I blocked so many tripfags that I don't understand in which context his response is being given.
>>66425877
t. Javinder from Surrey
>>66425843
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FGgYp6mdk
>>>/a/
>>66425877
Wow this much delusion. Could you hide your bias more.
>>66425877
Of course you do. Nobody outside of England does tho
>>66425900
>delusion
>picking the players i most associate the each era
What are you even saying? This is what I think of when I think of the 60s, 70s etc. How can that be 'delusion'? It's what springs to MY mind. Yours might be different. You are allowed to think differently you fat fuck.
>>66425932
I picked 3 English players out of 12... If anything I've underrated the English players.
Mongo.
>>66425877
>00s - Kaka/Ronaldinho/Rooney
Basically the FIFA covers, family.
>>66425938
Because you are absolutely wrong and I will call you out on your shitty opinion get your eyes checked out.
>>66425932
And? Why would I care about that?
I'm sure Brazilians will suck the cocks of Zico, Romario etc.
I'm sure Spanish people will think of players like Xavi, Raul etc.
Germans will think of Gerd Muller...
It's not supernatural. No idea what your point is.
>>66425776
Ronaldo era isn't just the 2002 WC, you double nigger. It's 95/96-98 and a little bit into 2002-2004.
Also there is no Romario era
>>66425988
>wrong
You can't be wrong about this. You're wrong. Your opinion is wrong. How do you like that?
Suck it up faggot. Lots of people share my view. It's a commonly held opinion. Get over it.
>>66425950
>50s
That glorious time when USA beat you in the WC? Well, di Stefano, Puskas, Kocsis
>60s
Pele, Jairzinho, Tostao, Garrincha
>70s
Cruyff, Beckenbauer
>80s
Maradona
>90s
Ronaldo
>00s
Ronaldinho, Zidane
>10s
Messi, Ronaldo
>rooney
HAHAHAHAHAH
>Duncan Edward
Fucking who?
>Jorge Besto
Lel
>Shearer
Top lel
Is delusion a national disease or a maymay?
>>66425877
>50s - Duncan Edward/Bobby Charlton
And di Stefano
>60s - George Best
Agreed.
>70s - Cruyff
Agreed.
>80s - Maradona
Agreed.
>90s - Giggs/Shearer
Owen, Scholes, Gazza, Zidane, Ronaldo quite a few to pick from.
>00s - Kaka/Ronaldinho/Rooney
Scholes, Giggs, Shevchenko, Henry again quite hard to pick from.
>10s - Messi/Ronaldo
Yep. Pretty straightforward. These two are head and shoulders above anyone else.
>>66425843
btw, don't be upset I don't hate you people, calm down Spencer I love you
the fact that the majority can't even pinpoint exactly who was the GOAT of 90s and 00s speaks volumes about how good those eras were ;^)
>>66426022
>That glorious time when USA beat you in the WC?
Stopped reading there because I think you're confused. I'm Scottish. The USA never beat us in the World Cup or even played us in the World Cup.
>>66426045
>scottish
Why suck England's cock then?
>>66426007
But you're absolutely wrong so I can't be wrong about that. At least be objective.
>>66426039
Giggs.
Club
Manchester United
Premier League (13): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
FA Cup (4): 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup (3): 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Community Shield (9): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2013
UEFA Champions League (2): 1998–99, 2007–08
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
Individual
PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 1991–92, 1992–93
PFA Team of the Year (6): 1992–93, 1997–98, 2000–01, 2001–02, 2006–07, 2008–09
PFA Team of the Century (1): 1997–2007[146]
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2008–09
FWA Tribute Award: 2007
Bravo Award (1): 1993
BBC Sports Personality of the Year (1): 2009
BBC Wales Sports Personality of the Year (2): 1996, 2009
GQ Sportsman of the Year (1): 2010[147]
Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (1): 1997–98
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year (2): 1990–91, 1991–92
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02): Overall Team of the Decade
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12): Most Player Appearances (596)
UEFA Champions League 10 Seasons Dream Team (1992 to 2002): 2002
Wales Player of the Year Award (2): 1996, 2006
Premier League Player of the Month (3): September 1993, August 2006, February 2007
Goal of the Season (1): 1998–99
Intercontinental Cup Most Valuable Player of the Match Award: 1995[148]
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2005
Golden Foot: 2011
Most decorated player in football history with 34 trophies. Says it all.
I think we can all agree on Giggs being the 1990-2010 GOAT.
>>66426053
>englel
>objective
How? They won a friendly and they just geared into frenzy-mode. They literally think hat EPL is the best league in the world when they can't compete with Spain even after throwing so much money at it that they could finance revolutions on a single team's budget.
where's "vardy era" OP?
>>66426050
I named 3 English players out of 12. Hardly sucking England's cock.
Could have picked Law over Charlton but I think Charlton edges it. Both Ballon D'or winners but Charlton is also a World Cup winner (and carried England to it) so he edges it for me.
>>66425839
>And don't even get me started on how far Scholes is ahead of Zidane.
Memes.
Also
Gerrard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Scholes
>>66426068
>Giggs
>>66426082
>Beat the world cup holders with out under 23s in their back garden with their home fans
>Not GOAT
Stay mad.
>>66426091
>law
HAHAHAHAH right.
6/12 players are EPLEL. Literally the most overrated anything in the history of the universe. Try to be at least mildly objective.
>>66426068
I'm all or memes, but it gets really laughable when
>Wales Player of the Year Award
>Goal of the season
>English football hall of flame
>BBC Wales Sports Personality of the Year
>Bravo Award
>FWA Tribute Award
>all those PFA
>Jimmy Murphy Young tralalal
>Premier League 10 Season Awards
>Sir Matty Busy Player of the Year
etc
GOAT
O
A
T
>>66425832
Hello fellow Brazilian expat
>>66425787
He carried Nederlands to the highest point they ever achieved, it is considered a great injustice that they never been WC
>>66425882
Not every decade makes a era defying player. Messi couldn't even be the uncontested best for the some of the past years, being #2 to Ronaldo every third year.
>>66426068
Most decorated player in football history with 34 trophies
Has won a record 13 top division English league titles as a player, and only Manchester United player to have winner's medals from all 13 Premier League title wins.
Most Premier League appearances for a player, with 632.[152][not in citation given][153]
Most Premier League assists (accurate records are only available from 2002 onwards).[154]
Only player to have played in 22 successive Premier League seasons.
Only player to have scored in 21 successive Premier League seasons.
Only player to have scored in 17 different Champions League tournaments (includes 11 consecutive tournaments, 1996–97 to 2006–07; only Raúl has a better record with 14)
Most goals by a British player in the Champions League/European Cup proper history, and 14th overall (not including preliminary rounds).[155]
Most appearances by a Manchester United player.
Most starts by a Manchester United player, started in 794 games.
First player to score 100 Premier League goals for Manchester United.
Second midfielder to have scored 100 goals in the Premier League for a single club (first being Matt Le Tissier).
One of four Manchester United players to win two Champions League Medals (others are Paul Scholes, Gary Neville and Wes Brown).
Oldest (37 years, 289 days) player to score in the Champions League, when he scored against Benfica on 14 September 2011.[76]
One of two Manchester United Players to win at least 10 Top division medals (the other one is Paul Scholes.)
Oldest (38 years, 243 days) player to score in the Football competition at the Summer Olympics, when he scored against United Arab Emirates on 29 July 2012.
Yep.
90s/00s: Ryan Giggs
>>66426115
>he doesn't know it was a friendly
Wew lad
>>66426120
>all those PFA
>Jimmy Murphy Young tralalal
>Premier League 10 Season Awards
>Sir Matty Busy Player of the Year
These are actually pretty prestigious awards.
>>66426138
At this point it's no longer a maymay is it? My god lads, you have reached the point of no return. It will be the most beautiful meltdown we weill ever see when you get knocked out in the round of 16 this year.
>>66422255
Offside rule has been basically the same for like 90 years. Read Inverting The Pyramid for a good history of football (yes it focuses on tactics but it's a very good all-round history too).
>>66426120
Lol, if Giggs is in that list because of his longevity and awards where does it out, for instance, Casillas.
He won five La Liga titles (2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2011–12), two Copa del Rey titles (2010–11, 2013–14), four Supercopa de España titles (2001, 2003, 2008, 2012), three UEFA Champions League titles (1999–2000, 2001–02, 2013–14), two UEFA Super Cups (2002, 2014), two Intercontinental Cups (1998, 2002), and the FIFA Club World Cup (2014).
>>66426151
You do realise Giggs isn't English, right?
>>66426182
Srs
>>66426179
>five la liga titles
Giggs has nearly triple that.
Let that sink in...
>>66426126
See
>>66426179
Casilla won all those *titles*. Not awards, specially not participation awards.
What are you, a millennial?
>>66426121
No ones uncontested forever. This is Messi's Era people will talk about it as Messi's era eapecially when he wins his 6 or 7 ballon.dor and proabaly second consecutive treble.
>>66426179
>his longevity
You do realise that 90s Giggs was the closest thing we had to peak Messi, right?
He was the most exciting player in the world, the most gifted and technically composed player in the world who Real Madrid, Inter Milan (when they were a big deal with Ronaldo etc.) AC Milan and Barcelona all made bids for?
You're acting like this is some guy who was just in the team a lot and had some loyalty or something.
He was fucking unplayable. I don't think you've watched him play pre 2008.
>>66426217
Could go that way. Or he could get injured (not getting any younger), Ronaldo could win another CL, another ballon d'or and golden boot and even the score.
We are privileged to be contemporary to these two, much like in the F1 Senna-Prost and Mansell-Piquet eras. We can never know what next year will bring.
>>66426206
>Only player to have scored in 17 different Champions League tournaments
Yeah, I'm sure Casillas has achieved that...
Casillas wasn't even as good as van Der Sar or Kahn. He wasn't even as good as de Gea or Neuer.
>>66426246
Not his era tho. He wasn't nearly as big as Zidane or even Raul. The fact that he didn't manage to carry Wales to a WC or EC ever also speaks volumes about him.
>>66426272
>The fact that he didn't manage to carry Wales to a WC or EC ever also speaks volumes about him.
0/10
>>66426246
Giggs is trash rode on the coatttails of greats teams. It happens. No one will remember him as a top 20 maybe even top 30 player. Just becuase you play long doesn't mean shit. Shoild we just use trophies count to argue for goats because pique,xavi,iniesta and dani alves should all be goats.
>>66426270
Schmeichel...
Buffon...
Cech..
Casillas would be lucky to make the top 10 of the past 30 years.
>>66426270
Wasn't Casillas world champion and two times Euro Champion? I don't think Giggs (or any other contemporary British player) won any of those titles.
>>66426288
But Xavi and Iniesta ARE greats.
Pique and Puyol were nobodies. And won trophies because of the two above.
Giggs and Scholes are to Iniesta and Xavi
Brown and O'Shea are to Puyol and Pique
>>66426310
>International football
wowitsfuckingnothing.jpg
Pretty sure Wales would have won Euros too if they had a 50 million population instead of 1 million and had Xavi and Iniesta in their squad too..
>>66426319
Exactly greats but they don't get whole ereas to themselves which is what you are saying. You get an era when you are consider the best player for the majority of years.
>>66426263
And if it goes that way would he still have to win a world cup?? Would it still be the Messi-Ronaldo era and not the Messi era or the no clear goat era??
>>66426351
An argument could be made for any of Xavi, Giggs, Iniesta or Scholes for the 90s and 00s.
Just like the argument being made by that anon that Giggs gets the era.
>>66425692
>90s and 00s no clear goat
underage detected
>>66422255
>Ronaldinho era
>>66426376
it's rather true for 00s actually
>>66426392
Cantona.
Premier League (4): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97
FA Cup (2): 1993–94, 1995–96
pretty dominant
won the league being top scorer every single year since signing in 1992 apart from one year when he was out banned for kicking a fan
90s GOAT
>>66425791
Kill yourself, you fucking stupid yellowteethed inbred clueless faggot.
>>66426426
also won the league with Leeds in 91-92 which makes it even more impressive
two different teams
>>66426433
fuck off you delusional faggot
>list of 90s forwards better than romario:
Shearer
Rooney
Cole
Henry
Fowler
Owen
Les Ferdinand
Sheringham
Hasselbaink
Anelka
Yorke
Wright
Cantona
Le Tissier
Batistuta
Klinsmann
Weah
Shevchenko
van Basten
Baggio
Raul
Ronaldo
Zola
Bergkamp
di Canio
del Piero
Trezeguet
Totti
and probably a hell of a lot more that i can't think of right now
Romario was never a top 30 forward, not a chance
>>66426363
Yeah, unless he win anything remarkable with Argentina and doesn't most any other award to Ronaldo we will remember this as a marvelous era of exceptional rivalry between them both.
>>66426525
>this whole post
>>66426579
Ok if people like you still think this it will be seen as Messi winning over Ronaldo
>>66426607
Sorry but it's literally true and you're a dumb faggot for thinking otherwise.
I get that in your country your media (and therefore everyone else) will hype your players up beyond belief but the reality is he was a solid 7/10 and nothing more.
Nowhere near the elite European forwards, that's for sure.
If he was so good why didn't he play for Manchester United? Or Bayern Munich? Or Liverpool? Or Real Madrid?
Why did he stick to the babby leagues?
Anyone can score a goal a game in the Dutch league, even Memphis Depay did it last year. Ryan Babel.. Dirk Kuyt.
That's Romario's level. He's on a par with these players. Not among the elite strikers.
>>66426611
This. When you have a player winning way more than thier rival it no longer is Messi-Ronaldo era it becomes Messi era where Ronaldo was their to push him on but was beaten by Messi to most awards.
>>66426426
>>66426454
Cantona was never top scorer
>>66426715
>caring about awards
>thinking that balloon doors mean anything
pretty fucking stupid t.b.h
>>66426728
He was United's top scorer every year apart from 97 when it was Ole.
Who was the first GOAT? Who were the greats during the 1890s, the 1900s, and so on until the 40s?
>>66426649
You have to understand the dutch league in Romario's times was better than in the times you mention
>>66425877
t. Karl from Manchester, home of the best team in the world.
>>66426880
Why? Because a couple of teams memed their way to CL wins? That's not going to fly.
Just because X team win the CL does not mean that X team's league is among the best in the world.
>>66426748
Not just awards anon but trophies and goal scoring records and assists records and arguably the goat when you watch him play he wins in all these catogories.
>>66426579
You said earlier that this was not messi era becuase he had no world cup but then include ronaldo along side messi as thier era.
>>66422255
>Romario era
>Ronaldinho era
u wot
>>66425877
>All this anglocentrism
This is why I can't stand brits on /sp/
Worst of all is the americans and canadians bandwagon the EPL almost as much
>>66427104
Are you expecting a Rolando fan to make sense and be objective?
>>66427222
Not even a Ronaldo fan hermano, just objective. I just can't put Messi at the same level that Maradona, for instance, a good player but not the prolific genius and all around champion that Maradona was.
>>66428259
this
>>66427013
stop please you're triggering me
>>66425990
m8, your country couldn't win shit with all these "glorious" players you had, for fucks sake if that isn't delusion I don't know what it is
>>66428259
FUCKING KEK
This has to be bait
1) If there's one and only one name that defines the frase "Prolific genius" in the last 50 years of the sport (we could as well say ever) is Lionel Messi.
2) Messi has loooong surpased Maradona as an "all around" champion. BY FAR. The only thing Diego has over Messi is the WC.
The difference between you and me is that Higuaín scoring a goal on that final would force you to change your totally objetive and not at all shallow or biased opinion on Messi literally to the complete oposite.
>>66426426
Meanwhile he got dropped from the national team as they couldn't even qualify.
Yeah true 90s goat
>>66426872
Based on written record going that far back
>1880s
Nuts Cobbald
>1890s
Ernest Needham, G.O. Smith
>1900s
Vivian Woodward, Billy Meredith
>1910s
Freidenreich, Alan Morton, Schlosser
>1920s
Dixie Dean, Sindelar
>1930s
Meazza, Andrade, Bican, Monti
>1940s
Stanley Matthews, Zizinho, La Maquina, Gre-No-Li
