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Are Man City the biggest failures?
It's unbelievable that they can be this bad considering the money they've spent
>>66333845
>no wins
>twice the losses of anyone else
>as many total points as a single win
holy shit, so they're just beating up on low level teams? the dutch autist makes it sound like they're actually a title contender
>>66333845
They've spent money, but on shit. Their defence is a shambles and always has been. Mangala and Demichelis at CB would get most teams relegated.
This is what they deserve for announcing that Guardiola would be their next manager so early. I guess it's hard for the players and for Pellegrini to care when they know it's pointless.
>>66333964
tbf they were shit before that announcement aswell
Money can't buy the motivation of the already filthy rich.
And once you team's core is unmotivated, any fresh motivated player you bring in will quickly turn sour as well. Mentality is a big part of playing well.
>>66333845
why are arsenal GOAT?
>Arsenal having a good record against the top teams
The fuck is going on
>>66333845
which one ?
The lack of heart in that team is unbelievable
>>66334144
>a team funded by arab oil money full of mercenaries with a checked out manager is lacking heart
well, duh
>>66334122
played them at meme times then lose to garbage teams.
Fucking loved beating them on Sunday.
>>66334161
They're already readying themselves for a chinese summer.
>>66334165
>you will live to see aguero play in the chinese league or MLS
feels good man
Chelsea
The death of De Bruyne doomed the team.
Before that they were only bad at defending, now they're bad at everything.
>>66334122
if they didnt meme a 96th minute win against lestah they would be 5th on that table
>>66334122
It's because that table doesn't include Chelsea. Add them and we see the true Arselel.
>>66334213
at best it would be 2 more defeats, maybe similar results for the rest of the teams
>>66334122
This was supposed to be their year ;_;
>>66334191
>If things happened differently then things would be different
Reminder: Manchester United have spent £300 million
and look at their position in the table.
>>66334191
If Leicester didn't meme a goal late in their first game against Tottenham, they would be 5th on that table.
>>66333845
lelegrini will leave poop without cl, the mad man
The fact Leicester are even top is a damning indictment of the state of English football.
Leicester arent even very good its the fact every other team is so incredibly piss poor
>>66334266
I thought they spent more than that?
But City have spent over a billion pounds and havent even won a CL and may not even make top 4 this season
>>66334266
They've "only" spent a little more than 100 million this summer though, and selling Di Maria and some other guys offset that a bit:
Man City: 153m (124m net)
United: 108m (46m net)
West Ham 33m (27m net)
Leicester: 27m (20m net)
Arsenal: 10m (8m net)
Tottenham 49m (5m net)
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9976568/how-much-did-your-club-spend-premier-league-transfer-window-net-spend-table
>>66334296
>muh net spend
Embarrassing tbqh.
>>66334296
>a 4th of the total spending in the league is done by one team
wew
>>66334254
>>66334269
The difference is that Leicester are a good team
Arsenal are upper mid table at best and are only good at being "best of the worst"
>>66334266
>£300 million
In 3 years you fucking mong.
So that's £100m per season and they couldn't have done that without selling tens of millions worth of players.
But never mind eh? Just stick to your clickbait Sun article bollocks, far more SHOCKING isn't it?
>>66334296
Yes but to a club that is bankrolled by a Saudi Prince as his plaything this money is peanuts.
I dont even support a PL team, and im so glad i fucking dont
>>66334348
>Leicester are a good team
>>66334357
Salford United of Manchester Pty Ltd are cashed up as fuck
They only sold all their shit players because they wanted to make room for meme players
Cant wait until Mouyes spends 350m in the summer and redcafe mongs like you try to justify it
>>66334357
really is boring, isn't it m8
just 6 months ago we were being told it was £200 million, then as the results got worse, that number magically lept up to £240 million and now it's £300 million
amazing how all the media outlets (SKY, BT, BBC etc) all peddle the same number at the same time too... almost as if they don't have a fucking clue and just follow what's popular.
>>66334312
your understanding of business is embarrassing tbqh.
if a company spends £9001 billion in a year yet makes an overall profit of 50p then it was profitable investment
>>66334357
Manchester United should be in the mix for the title. You should have a team of World-Class players.
DeGea is literally keeping you in the hunt for Europe.
Just accept the wheels have fallen off the Bandwagon
>>66334266
City spent 1,3 billion since 2008, with players like Balotelli, Dzeko, Jo, Bony, Mangala. They will soon play their first (first) round of 8 in CL.
Meanwhile United reached 3 CL's final and won 1.
Arsenal are truly fucked in the future. They don't have the dedicated fanbase of a Liverpool or Manure to remain relevant for long after they drop out of the top 4 next season. Add to this the lack of a sugar daddy and the fact that Wenger is leaving soon and you have a Leeds situation brewing for them.
>>66334376
>Cant wait until Mouyes spends 350m in the summer and redcafe mongs like you try to justify it
Justify it? To who? To you? Go fuck yourself you deluded cunt. We'll spent billions on utter shit if we want and we won't give a single fuck.
We're Man United, we do what we want. Only sooner or later we're going to sign another player like Martial, or maybe two or three and we will win the lot. And you can suck on our massive red balls when that happens next season.
United have earned a right to spend whatever the fuck they want. They are the biggest sports institution in the world. £60 million is absolutely nothing to us. It's a drop in the ocean. We paid off £500 million worth of debt in less than 10 years (including 19% interest) whilst making a profit in nearly every single year.
So I say again, suck our massive red balls.
>>66334391
>Manchester United should be in the mix for the title. You should have a team of World-Class players.
What's that got to do with anything? Nobody is saying that Moyes or van Gaal have done well you spastic.
>Just accept the wheels have fallen off the Bandwagon
Eh? Maybe you forgot Ferguson went from 2003-2007 without winning anything other than the odd tin-pot cup. It happens. It's football. If you seriously don't think United will be winning PLs and CLs again within the next 5 years then you're just deluding yourself.
>>66334391
as shit as they are, they are only 2 points away from being 4th, it's quite amazing tbqh
>>66334422
1 point senpai
>>66334407
Why do people call Liverpool fans delusional when these people exist?
>>66334429
just because someone is delusional about their team doesn't mean someone else can't also be delusional about their team
>>66334407
>Salford Cucknited of Manchester Pty Ltd
>>66334425
do they have the goal average or whatever needed won against city?
>>66334419
>If you seriously don't think United will be winning PLs and CLs again within the next 5 years then you're just deluding yourself
They're not even qualifying for the Champions League mate, they're certainly not winning it. Any cunt can win the PL, apparently, so fair enough.
>>66334422
It's 1 point and if it wasn't for that injury crisis we'd probably be comfortably 3rd and just 3-5 points off Lester.
Shaw was basically our best outfield player from February until October then he broke his leg. That destroyed the whole team.
Imagine Spurs without Kane.
Lester without Vardy or Mahrez.
City without Aguero.
Arsenal without Ozil.
Imagine how well they'd do for a whole season like that.
Yes, it's van Gaal's fault for not signing enough quality replacements and leaving the squad thin, he is to blame.
But some of the retards on here are acting as if United are some mid-table team who are somehow performing miracles to stay within touching distance of the top 4.
No other Premier league club has to regularly play 2 CMs at CB or rely on their 5th choice RB.
If other clubs had the same injury problems as United, United would be 1st by 10 points no bother.
That's not even the worst part. They have 9 out of a possible 42 points against the entire top half of the table.
>>66334370
>ABLC still can't handle the truth
top of that table, lad
They're shit because they basically fire their manager halfway through the season even though they're in a CL spot within striking distance of 1st and have an easy matchup in the CL. The players don't give a shit because they know the manager won't be there long and half of them will be gone too.
>>66334460
>imagine city without Aguero
m8 he's injured half the year anyway, no need to imagine it
>>66334456
06 - quarter final
07 - semi final
08 - winner
09 - final
10 - quarter final
11 - runners up
13 - round of 16
14 - quarter final
you're utterly delusional if you think that a club with that past record (the best in world barring Barcelona) is suddenly going to just stop competing because of a couple sticky seasons in transition
>>66334483
He's their top scorer with 21 PL goals...
Meanwhile Shaw played 3 PL games.
>>66334505
He's got 16.
>>66334494
It's already happened pal. You seem to be missing a couple of years there mate, what happened in 2012, 15 and 16? Was it an embarrassment? Oh yeah, it was.
Ferguson was great, not Man Utd. The team is shite, you're telling me that United defence can stand up against the best attacks in europe and I'm the deluded one?
>>66334514
Literally just looked it up.
>>66334516
Moyes got them to the quarter finals and almost beat Bayern Munich. (while finishing 7th).
So your argument is bollocks. Try again.
why do ABUs constantly make a fool out of themselves lads?
>>66334516
>The team is shite, you're telling me that United defence can stand up against the best attacks in europe and I'm the deluded one?
You are aware that the players can be changed, right? That's not the players that are confirmed in the squad for the next 10 years....
Jesus you're thick.
>>66334524
I love it personally. Nothing sweeter about ramming it down their throats when they get proven wrong yet again.
Remember how many times Ferguson was 'finished'? LMAO. Literally every single year.
Should have never sacked Mancini
When you have a manager with a name similar to the club you keep him
>>66334532
well they're getting poop next season lol
>>66334529
Ferguson was a failure in europe. Literally gifted 2 CL finals by virtue of the opposition choking horribly in those games. Almost as pathetic as Wenger in the CL.
>>66333845
>Thread about City failing
>Turns into a thread about United
The obsession continues.
Why do they start doing so bad after January? Is it in their DNA? Do all the south Americans on the squad have hypothermia from England by February?
>>66334494
05- winner
06-round of 16
07-runners up
08-semifinal
09-quarterfinal
"you're utterly delusional if you think that a club with that past record (the best in the world barring Barcelona) is suddenly going to just stop competing because of a couple sticky seasons in transition"-Liverpool fans in 2011
>>66334544
They were pretty poor before January tbf
So funny looking back to those first 5 games, everyone thought they were going to walk the league.
>>66333845
chelsea's not exactly been thrifty and they are bit further down the list.
>>66334525
>Man Utd have signed a succession of awful defenders
>We can just buy more defenders
Apparently not. Rojo and Blind haven't set the world alight.
>>66334537
97 - semi final
98 - quarter final
99 - winner
00 - quarter final
01 - semi final
02 - semi final
03 - quarter final
04 - round of 16
06 - quarter final
07 - semi final
08 - winner
09 - final
10 - quarter final
11 - runners up
13 - round of 16
>Ferguson was a failure in Europe
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Look at him, look at him and laugh.
>>66334555
>losing to Liverpool
>losing to Liverpool TWICE
>>66334518
Then you must have been looking at the numbers for last season.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers
Kane: 21
Vardy: 19
Lukaku: 18
Mahrez: 16
Aguero: 16
>>66334122
It doesn't matter when they find a way to bottle it regardless.
>>66334564
>4-1 and 3-0
>aggregate of 7-1
>7-1
>>66334563
>09 - final
>11 - runners up
What did he mean by this?
>>66334553
that's only 5 years and they won the league 0 times in that period and they finished top 4 only 3 times in 5 years
it's common knowledge they rested players in the league 2 weeks in advance of european games and went all out in that competition
>>66334553
Yes, and now Liverpool have a top 3 manager in the world and the sky is the limit for them.
>>66334571
>they finished top 4 only 3 times in 5 years
How did they compete in the Champions league in 5 consecutive seasons if they only finished in the top 4 three times?
>>66334561
Blind has been great. Rojo is solid backup which was why he was bought.
No idea what point you're trying to make.
de Gea, Darmian, Smalling, Jones, Shaw are as good a back 5 as anyone in Europe.
Better than Barca and Madrid certainly. Maybe not quite as solid as Bayern or Juventus.
The problem is Jones is injury prone.
Shaw broke his leg.
And the remaining two have had to deal with hundreds of different partnerships and the likes of Blind and Carrick playing CB which is a disaster. You need consistency.
>It's a furious Man Utd fan can't accept the slow decline into mediocrity episode
>>66334565
No, it's on the BBC website. Must be all competitions.
21 goals in all competitions is not the record of a player who is 'injued all the time' which is my point.
>>66334577
Because he is full of shit. Every United fan loves to downplay Benitez's accomplishments because he wasn't afraid to challenge fergushit and they feared him and Liverpool.
>>66334582
>de Gea, Darmian, Smalling, Jones, Shaw are as good a back 5 as anyone in Europe
come on
>>66334582
>de Gea, Darmian, Smalling, Jones, Shaw are as good a back 5 as anyone in Europe.
Okay, my mistake. I didn't realise I was replying to a literal retard. You're right, Man Utd are going to win everything forever and you're right about everything, who's a clever boy.
>>66334577
The winners qualify.
>>66334576
TLF
>>66334592
>>66334590
Name a better back 5. Outwith the teams I mentioned.
Did you miss the game on Saturday? Defensive master class and that's despite van Gaal.
>Kroos
>Pogba
>EBJ Stones
>Laporte
>Thiago Alcântara
>Gündogan
who can stop us?
seriously
it will genuinely be embarrassing how far ahead we are next season
>>66334592
You're the retard. He's right, United have good defenders (when they're fit). The problem is not ability, it's consistency and fitness.
>>66334616
Not even sure what team you are referring to? United? City? Chelsea?
Whoever it is
'no'
>>66334592
utd have conceded fewer goals in open play than any other team in the prem
>>66334627
Liverpool la
>>66334602
the barcelona back 4 are better, for example
>>66334563
Ferguson was pretty shit in Europe all things considered. United dominated England yet won 2 European Cups in 25 years
>>66334602
>Name a better back 5
Lloris, Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose
>>66334582
de Gea - best GK in the world
Smalling - among best in the world, best CB in the EPL
Shaw - best LB in the world
Jones - injury prone, when he plays he is world class and even better than Smalling but I don't think he'll ever be injury free so he'll never get that run in the team and he'll never built a long lasting partnership. Big doubts.
Darmian - Clearly got the potential to be one of the best RBs in the world, suffering from that first season syndrome. Reminds me of Patrice Evra. Hopefully he improves the same way Evra did. He looked incredible in his first 2-3 months. Was brilliant against City on the weekend.
Blind - Not a CB but he can do a decent job covering.
Rojo - Not convinced. Seems like a bit of a nutcase.
McNair - The pick of the young guys. Way too early to say though.
I think one senior CB to partner Smalling is needed. Someone like Varane. And then cover for our fullbacks. Someone solid and reliable.
Then it's sorted.
The main problem is not scoring enough goals, not defending.
>>66334670
just stop, no ones falling for it
>>66334602
---------------Schmeichel
Simpson Morgan Huth Fuchs
>>66334642
Not individually.
As a unit, yes, but that's because the team are better at retaining possession and pressuring opponents with their pressing style. They defend as a unit. Enrique has a plan and a system in place.
Imagine Pique being thrown into that Manchester derby for example. He'd look like a fish out of water.
The United back 5 could go to Barcelona and do what Barcelona do, but the Barcelona back 5 would move to United and fail.
>>66334659
0/5
>>66334693
This is pretty much consensus opinion. You're a bit dumb if you can't see it.
>>66334698
Maybe Huth on his best form would make it in. None of the rest though.
Simpson is literally a United reject.
>>66334700
>le pique only looks good because of possession meme
can we stop this meme? does nobody watch Barcelona play?
#BelieveInTheGoat
>>66334732
>goat
bet he misses putting that lettuce in the cart
>>66334634
Because of De Gay. Your defenders are wank.
>>66334712
just like drinkwater, pogba and pique
none of them would get anywhere near lvg's first 11 :DDD
HAHAHAHAHAH City spending billions every year to fight for 4th place, and next year they'll have to spend that much again to bring in Poop's players
Can't wait until Mourinho comes in, surely he will buy Neymar, Ibrah, Ronaldo, Pogba, Muller and Laporte and blow you all THE FUCK OUT
>>66334389
>if a company spends £9001 billion in a year yet makes an overall profit of 50p then it was profitable investment
depends on the current value of the assets
if you make a profit on player sales but your current players lose a bunch of value because of a shit season, suddenly your next balance is gonna be ass
>>66334646
1. United DID dominate Europe, look at his fucking record. Miles better than Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Inter Milan, AC Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal or Barcelona.
2. Just because United won the EPL, doesn't mean they have a right to win the CL. This is English delusion yet again.
The winners of the CL very rarely win their own domestic league as well. There are only a few exceptions to this rule (Bayern, Barca, Inter, United and AC I think did it). It's become more common in the past 7 years but it's certainly not the norm.
>>66335789
>look at his fucking record. Miles better than Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Inter Milan, AC Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal or Barcelona
Real, Barcelona, Milan and Bayern had more CL success than United during his tenure
>The winners of the CL very rarely win their own domestic league as well
In the modern CL, 13 out of 23 winners have also won the league the same year. That's not "very rarely"
>>66335845
>Real, Barcelona, Milan and Bayern had more CL success than United during his tenure
I didn't say they didn't. I said United's record in Europe was better overall.
See
>>66334563
None of these clubs can hold a candle to that record. Madrid for example went about 10 years without making it to the quarter finals once. Ferguson just about achieved this every year for nearly 20 years.
>In the modern CL, 13 out of 23 winners have also won the league the same year. That's not "very rarely"
Again, learn to read properly. I just said that it is a trend in modern football. I even specified past 7 years to demonstrate this point.
You're reading my post and making up arguments you want to argue against when I'm not actually saying that at all.
It's not all about who wins the finals, European 'success' is measured in terms of who finishes 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 8th 16th or qualifies from the group. It's not a case of "Oh then didn't win the CL, dismissed"
>>66335845
>In the modern CL, 13 out of 23 winners have also won the league the same year. That's not "very rarely"
Apart from Ferguson the only teams to do it in the CL era (excluding the past 7 years) are
Barcelona 92 06
Ajax 95
Bayern 01
Porto 04
Pretty rare. Especially considering Porto was a complete anomaly.
>>66335903
United CL results under Ferguson
>2 wins
>4 finals
>7 semi finals
>12 quarter finals
Let's compare it to those 4 clubs (only modern CL, not to give them an unfair start over Ferguson when United were crap)
Barcelona - 3 wins, 4 finals, 10 semi finals, 12 quarter finals - a clearly better record than Ferguson
Real - 3 wins, 3 finals, 8 semi finals, 10 quarter finals - a comparable record with more CL wins
AC Milan - 3 wins, 6 finals, 10 semi finals, 12 quarter finals - a clearly better record than Ferguson
Bayern - 2 wins, 5 finals, 7 semi finals, 12 quarter finals - a slightly better CL record than Ferguson
>>66335963
Why are you excluding the past 7 years while counting Ferguson's 08 double? What's the logic in this?
Also Milan won the Serie A in 1994 and Marseille won Ligue 1 in 1993 (later stripped though)
>>66335963
And Barcelona 92 doesn't count as UEFA Champions League either because technically it was the old European Cup format.
>>66336065
>>66336051
So swap Barca with AC.
Same figure at the end of the day...
I'm still right.
>>66335963
barcelona also did it in 08/09 10/11 and last season
>>66336051
>Why are you excluding the past 7 years while counting Ferguson's 08 double?
Because 7 years ago was 2009.
>>66336140
What's the logic in setting that arbitrary cut off right after Ferguson won the double?
It's almost like you're trying to artificially make it look more special
>>66336137
>Excluding the past 7 years
My argument is that it's only relatively recently that it's become common for teams to win their domestic league as well as win the CL. And I'm right.
It's happened just 5 times in history and one of those occasions was Porto.
United won the treble in 99 and it was something that had happened every 10 years before then (PSV, Celtic, Ajax since European competition started) Since 2009, this feat has been achieved FOUR times...
More evidence for what I'm saying.
>>66336166
It's almost as if you're clutching at straws after being absolutely BTFO. Add another year, go ahead. Makes no difference.
>>66336216
No, what's the logic in even setting that cut off when Ferguson's 08 double is clearly a part of that modern trend?
And I like how you chose to ignore this CL record comparison >>66336033
