So, we can all agree that Pep and Mou will eventually surpass him right ?
I don't think Man U or City will win more than 2 CLs over the next 10 years.
both have proven themselves in superior leagues already, I don't see the point of your thread albertinho
>>66329078
mourinhos achievements are already more impressive.
>>66329141
Kek...best joke I heard all day Mohammed. Thanks there famm
>>66329237
no problem senpai
>>66329237
the only thing worse than a manure "fan", an amerifat manure bandwagoner
someone put him out of his misery
>>66329078
If any of them were to stay over 20 years at Manure like Al did, then I guess even Gary Neville would surpass him, yes.
Not Arsene Wenger though, tbqh.
>>66329279
>the only thing worse than a manure "fan", a Patatvreter that thinks his opinion matters.
FIFY
>>66329450
>belgium
>"patat"
ok tacoboy
>>66329078
>will eventually surpass him right
>take a non-Celtic, non-Rangers Scottish team and win 3 titles and a cup winners' cup
>effectively win a EPL title every other season for 27 years
nah
>>66329492
This guy gets it... You literally feel how great he was by his absence.. Even in his last few seasons with what was a strongly fading team he was acheiving things unlike Mou.. Then poof hes gone = Success gone.. I.dunno why he was so.good.. Its like that at work sometimes, some guys just have an x factor and you want to perform.well for them
Is the "Dutch" City autist still MIA?
>>66329560
SAF reached a tipping point after which most teams had lost the game by the time of the first whistle. It became a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy in the end
>>66329279
Fan since 74 there ladd...thanks for the vote of confidence though patatvreter. I know it's tough basking in the glow of freedom that we give off.
>>66329630
>be american
>get shot
>sell sister to pay for medical bill (after having kids with her)
>get NSA tracker implanted in anus while in surgery
"freedom"
>>66329078
>>66329141
Daily reminder he beat Arsenal 8-2 with this line up.
>>66329695
>that team was better than the gajillion euro team of LVG
>>66329695
like arselels team was good, all I need to say is the the 'defence'.
>Szczesny
>Jenkinson
>Djourou
>Koscielny
>Traore
wew
>>66329695
Shame what happened to Anderson i think Fergie thought he was really gonna be something big! Looked like he.enjoyed burgers.more than training towards end tho..
>>66329695
>Look how much better Fergie is than Mou, he beat Arsenal with this team
>Mourinho has literally never lost to Arsenal
Hmmmm?
>>66331199
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FA_Community_Shield
>>66329898
>coq debuted in this game
(You)
(You)
terrible thread, in name of all brazilions I apologize for this monkey
>>66329380
Wenger has achieved relatively a lot fucking more considering his club was no where near being the richest in the world when he took over
>>66331477
>Friendlies
kek
this (You) thing appears to be new. First thing ive noticed since being back since 2013 thats new
>>66331668
thanks m8
>>66331633
kek good joke
>the greatest manager of all time got btfo twice by poop
>>66331727
>if Messi had been born 5 years later Ferguson would retire as the unquestionable European GOAT with 4 CLs as opposed to being called (somewhat unfairly) a European underachiever with 2
>>66331758
this tbqh familiflamfalm
>>66329078
I don't man SAF stayed with the club and navigated the club through hard time while consistently reinventing them for years
while Pep and Mou hit and quit it with different clubs while implementing the scourge earth mentality always looking for a sugar daddy with a huge war chest then rinse and repeat
>>66329078
lol no and it won't even be close, ferguson was incredible
>>66329677
>Be waffle...
>Go to train station no protection
>Get blown up
>Such is the day in the life of a waffle
Hope you're enjoying the irony here faggot. Enjoy your mudslime invasion
I miss fergie:(
>>66334771
kek pretty ironic indeed tyrone
>w-we're not a sacking club
>sacked plenty of people not named SAF or Busby when performances dropped
Just sign Mou already you whores. The game is all about money now
SAF is literally a manure babby, his euro record is far from impressive
Is it even up for debate that pep has failed at Bayern?
He's done the bare minimum there to keep his job by winning the league.
>>66335050
>He's done the bare minimum
Heynckes, van Gaal, Klinsmann, Magath etc all failed to deliver this bare minimum
>>66335206
Pep was handed a treble winning side in a time when only 2 teams compete for the league
>>66329078
>2 CL in 25 years
He became so dominant in English thanks to a combo of a golden generation all coming through at once, and being good at scaring players/press into doing well.
When it came to Europe where he couldn't control everything, he got found lacking
>>66329104
They don't have to. Pep and Mourinho have already won 2 CLs each. If they both win 1 more, then I think it will be fair to say they've both surpassed Ferguson in terms of success in the Champions League.
>>66335016
He won the Cup Winners Cup with Aberdeen. Just let that sink in for a minute.
>>66335348
They need league titles as well. If it's easy like retarded jfs on /sp/ thinks (like you) they should have no trouble doing that as well right?
>>66332094
But the other side of that is that Mourinho and Guardiola were able to move to a different team in a different league and change their tactics to suit their new players and their new league while still staying successful in Europe. Just look at Mourinho alone:
>Porto: title in 03 and the treble in 04
>Chelsea: titles in 05 and 06, made multiple deep CL runs at a time when the Premier League was actually good (05, 06, 07, 08, and 09 finals all included at least one English club)
>Inter: title in 09, the treble in 2010
>Real: title in 2012 (Setting the record for most games won, most points, and most goals scored), turned them from a joke in the CL to an actual contender
>Chelse again: title in 2015, then everything went to shit
If it wasn't for Ronaldo/Ramos/Casillas being divas and Chelsea's players basically giving up this season, I think most people would already consider Mourinho the best manager of all time.
>>66335423
Guardiola is in his early 40s and Mourinho is in his early 50s, they've got plenty of time to overtake Ferguson in terms of league titles.
>>66335480
yeah but they won't
mouyes > fergson
>>66335500
I think they will. Guardiola has 5, Mourinho has 8, Ferguson has around 15 (13 with United +2 from Scotland). Looking at the rate that they've won titles, is it really so hard to believe that Guardiola can win 10 more and Mourinho can win 7 more in the next 20 years?
>>66335500
They will both win more league titles than Ferguson's 15 provided they don't retire early
>>66335548
both are running out of infinite money clubs to run to
>>66335588
Because Manchester United are Norwich tier in terms of money, right?
>>66335588
Mourinho has been at Chelsea, Real Madrid, and "infinite money" clubs like Inter and Porto. Pep has been at Barca and Bayern. They could still go to PSG, Man United, Man City, or even Arsenal (once they get the stadium fully paid off).
>>66335612
>thinking mou will win shit against poop
>>66335673
I meant that Ferguson was coaching at a filthy rich club for over 25 years so an argument that Pep's and Mourinho's titles mean less because they manage rich clubs is retarded
>>66335673
He already did with Inter and Real
>>66335206
>heynckes
he won the fucking treble and pissed all over Barcelona who everyone thought were unbeatable
>van gaal
also won the league and made a cl final in 2010
>>66335715
If bare minimum is winning the league every year then neither of those delivered that bare minimum
also
>12/13 Barcelona with an injured Messi
>unbeatable
lmao, they barely scraped past PSG
>>66335715
goddamn he couldn't beat barcelona away without 3 key players
should just end his life already
>>66335715
>everyone thought were unbeatable
mmm they were almost kicked out by milan, then almost kicked out by psg, and finally kicked out by bayern when they had no messi and no manager
>>66335548
yes it is hard to believe
poop's only got maybe ten years left in him at the top so he has to win a title every season from now on just to equal fergie and you can rule him out of winning it next season with shitty
and mou has antagonised all the best clubs in the top leagues so you can rule him out for sure, I suppose he can go back to porto though if he wants
>>66331727
>>the greatest manager of all time got btfo twice by the greatest player of all time, Messi
fixed for you
also
>7-1
>>66335687
Uhhh.....
Big difference between being a world class MANAGER (not just being a good tactician or scout) and getting the most out of players, as well as supplementing that with one-off big signings (Ferdinand, Rooney, van Persie, Keane) and working hard to develop youth and promote from within the academy (Cleverley, Fletcher, Giggs, Gibson, Evans, Brown, Scholes, Butt, Macheda etc. etc.) to bolster the squad and simply signing up all the best players in the world staying for 2-3 years then moving on to yet another club and doing the same again.
Ferguson had to adapt and change his teams. He had to deal with transitional periods, something neither Pep or Mourinho have ever had to deal with and there is no evidence that they can actually do this. That's the biggest challenge of all. Getting a team full of old and declining players and actually building it into a team of european champions without making 15 new signings.
>>66335779
>poop's only got maybe ten years left in him at the top
Why? Ferguson kept going until he was 70, Wenger is already 70. Pep is only 45.
>and mou has antagonised all the best clubs in the top leagues so you can rule him out for sure
He's going to Man United next season. And there's always PSG, Bayern, or Juventus. I agree that certain clubs are out of the question, though (Real and Barca will never happen again for him, Arsenal is also highly unlikely).
>>66335940
poop is a hipster and will retire inside ten years to become an inreior decorator or some shit, I;m willing to bet City will be his last job
>He's going to Man United next season
no he's not
>>66335779
>and mou has antagonised all the best clubs in the top leagues so you can rule him out for sure
The fuck?
Chelsea fans absolutely love him and they booed their own players for forcing him out. He was sacked because of the results.
Inter Milan absolutely love him from the directors to the fans. He was treated like a god when he showed up last month and was greeted with a massive card display in the stands. He's an Inter legend.
Real Madrid are fucking retards and will sack/sell anyone. So they don't even count. But I'm confident that they are kicking themselves that they are missing out on him now and instead have to settle for a clueless amateur with 0 years managerial experience.
Porto. Enough said.
There's not a single example of what you are describing. Not one.
>>66336018
>Not one.
except real madrid
>>66336018
Fans love him, but the fans aren't the ones making managerial appointments. Both of his last jobs ended up in a locker room crisis and any higher ups will surely be wary of that when deciding on hiring him
>>66336038
So Madrid constitutes "ALL THE BEST CLUBS IN THE TOP LEAGUES" does it?
SAF drones are embarassing
>>66329141
this
>>66329677
oof
>>66329677
>be Belgian
>get blown up by muslims
bad timing m8
>>66329695
I remember watching that game. Was fucking mental just watching goal after goal. Ashley Young was class that day.
>>66329078
>only two (2) CLs in all those years
they're already even with him m8, and they're both (relatively) young
>>66331727
Did you see the team Fergie played in the 2011 final? The fact United were even there is a testament to how good of a manager he was.
>>66341019
I think Ferguson is the GOAT manager (just no some untouchable god that some people make him out to be) but he got probably the easiest path to the final ever that year
Group: Valencia, Rangers, Bursaspor
Knockouts: Marseille, Chelsea, Schalke
>>66329078
Maybe in terms of European silverware but not in terms of building teams and and getting the best out of players.
I wonder what happened to English teams in europe. We used to be something to be feared, now we're a joke. Feels bad man
>>66341102
United are still trying to recover from Fergie retiring, Chelsea bottled it against PSG last year and have completely collapsed this, Arsenal being Arsenal and City lacking experience in Europe with an overage, overpaid squad.
I think the cycle will come back around and English teams will come good again at some point, you'd certainly hope so with all the money coming in, it'll just take a few more years. Perhaps Spurs and Leicester in Europe next year might be good for the league, it'll certainly give the other teams the kick up the arse they desperately need.
Its almost as if the quality of English football left with Fergie.
>>66341102
English players suck now, how can a English team be good if that's the case?
>>66341178
English players have sucked for a lot longer than the last 4 years, Chad.
>Fergie
Aberdeen: Success
United: Success
Record =100%
>Pep
Barca = Success
Bayern = Fail
Record = 50%
>Mou
Porto = Success
Chelsea 1 = Success
Inter = Success
Madrid = Fail
Chelsea 2 = Fail
Record = 60%
>>66341209
>Chelsea 2 = Fail
I mean, he won the league mayne. I know a ton of other clubs that would kill for that 'failure'.
>>66341159
Can't help but agree. Can't wait to see Leicester in the cl next season!
>>66341209
kek, if we count "not winning the CL" as failure then Ferguson is a pretty shitty manager
>>66341234
>>66341285
Fergie never got United relegated, something that Mou would have done with Chelsea this season
>>66341303
You could easily make the same point about Chelsea 1, he started his last season shit then too. Not AS bad, for sure, but it doesn't take from what he achieved.
>>66329078
>le dominate domestic football due to financial monopoly and fluke the CL man
You don't realise how shit English football was when United dominated. It was Blackburn, Leeds and Newcastle who put were United's main competition.
Ferguson was always been shit who got massively lucky. 2 Champions Leagues in 27 years managing the world's biggest club is an embarrassment.
>>66329078
Neither of them will ever save a fallen giant from obscurity. Mourinho's performances with porto and inter comes closest. Nothing pep's ever done is on the same level.
>>66340861
My sides are gone...thanks
Pep will never even come close to Ferguson. Never ever. He will be exposed when he manages City.
Mourinho will at least end up in the same league, but he's not going to end up as successful as Ferguson and he has too many failures to his name already.
>>66348017
>Nothing pep's ever done is on the same level
his first year at barcelona's first team takes a dump on ferguson. He even beat him in the cl final for maximum humiliation
>>66347698
Lucky for 26 years? Yeah, ok.
Also what about still winning the league by a landslide in his last season with an aging squad?
What about still winning the league multiple times after Chelsea were bought and started spunking money left, right and centre?
He was a great manager, probably not the best but still great. If you genuinely think it was all down to luck then you're absolutely deluded.
>>66331758
Look at the 2 finals fergface actually did win. They were the weaker team both times.
If anything Slur Alex is lucky to have just 2 CL titles.
Mou got a treble against Messi
Alex got a treble against a bunch of no name germans
>>66349173
>Mou got a treble against Messi
he only faced messi in two games in cl
yawn why compare managers. Its all too difficult with too many variables.
This GOAT shit has infected us from the americans. Everyone wants to know who was the best even though its impossible to know for sure even from results.
>>66349243
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Inter_Milan_season
Inter played Barcelona four times in the 2009-10 CL are you fucking stupid or Spanish? Wait that's redundant.
