I think a European Super League is a good idea, hear me out
The current CL/EL is biased in favour of continental teams because their domestic leagues are easier, meaning that English teams that have to fight blood and sweat every match have a disadvantage. This can be seen by Tottenham resting their side in the first leg vs Dortmund for Aston Villa - even the lowest team here gives you a fight, whereas FC Traktor or Real Paella will roll over and just ask you don't score 5
What would solve this would be a Europe-wide league system with as many tiers as needs be, 20 teams per tier with 3 relegation/promotion spots and a series of cups that span either 2 or 4 tiers to keep a non-league competition relevant, with potential upsets and all
This would have numerous good effects for football:
>There would be no disadvantage for teams with tough domestic leagues
>Fans of leagues that have 1 established winner (France, Germany, Italy, Spain but with 2) would actually have a reason to follow the league if not a fan of aforementioned team
>Winning the first tier would have the prestige of a CL win but every team would be on an even footing
To split teams into divisions you could do it using results over past 5 seasons (including in European competitions because people would get butthurt if they didn't) with a multiplier based on UEFA coefficient so you don't get teams like BATE Borisov in the first tier because they always win their domestic league
Since teams would inevitably whine about their position if they weren't in the first tier, ban transfers for a season so there is a year for things to even out and teams to find their correct tiers
Would be a huge improvement on the current system imo
>>66232112
You killing yourself would also be a huge improvement on the current system imo
>>66232112
>waaaah I want money even when I have a shit season
fuck off
>>66232153
>>66232177
>>66232188
So are you actually going to say why you disagree, or?
I'm still amazed that the british islanders still believe that FC Traktor and Real Paella are worse teams than Crystal Palace, Norwich, Watford or Bournemouth.
>>66232291
Bournemouth can probably afford to pay players more than every Spanish club outside the top 6, naturally they get better players
Plus even when they're shit they still will run you over the park and kick the shit out of you, that's not the case in Spain
>>66232248
Clubs aren't franchises. This isn't America.
Capitalism still has a saying in almost everything in football but there is a limit and European Super League is crossing that limit.
ManUtd sucks, they don't deserve to be in CL.
Same for Liverpool.
If you want to be in the CL you need to get good.
>>66232112
You lost it when you claimed Villa would give you a fight.
>>66232112
Picture from left to right meme names
>fuckboyhaironfleekman
>showmeyourbananaman
>jackingofftoyourputaman
>fatheriamdissapointman
>
>PUTASMALAKASman
>>66232371
>ManUtd sucks, they don't deserve to be in the first tier.
>Same for Liverpool.
>If you want to be in the first tier you need to get good.
???
>>66232112
>Schalke
>>66232112
Sure why we are at it might as well in include liga mx and mls teams.
A European League with tiers would be okay, as long as it is done by merits. That means no British club within the 20 best.
>>66232431
I know it's bait but I'm bored.
From OP picture:
What do Valencia, ManUtd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Shalke04 have in common?
>>66232467
I proposed a system which I think is the fairest objectively, past 5 league seasons multiplied by a number based on UEFA coefficient (La Liga = 1, Bundesliga = 0.95, BPL = 0.9 etc.) and another score based on your past 5 seasons in European competitions.
It's actually harsh on English teams initially but I think they will gravitate towards the top tiers after their initial placement
>>66232459
I mean if it were ever to happen (which I hope it doesn't) might as well go full international mode.
Make it West vs East vs North vs South
8 best teams from each Conference go to play offs or some shit like that.
Your league is not tought, it's just that your teams are all fucking shit.
>>66232484
I literally have no idea what you're trying to get at
The teams in the OP aren't what I propose to be the first tier or something, was just a random pic from google images
Teams placement is based entirely on merit in the system I proposed, initially English teams will be scattered throughout the tiers
>>66232112
Just log off pal
>>66232467
It would be by money, of course.
So Newclastle and Aston Villa in the top 20, no matter that they are in relegation right now.
MIlan AC as the top tier Italy club.
And some other shit like that.
>>66232340
>naturally they get better players
Wrong. They just overpay for shitty players, that's the truth.
>>66232526
The Spanish league is a joke. Only 4 different teams have won the league since 1981 with only about 8 teams since it's inception. You have no say on what a tough league is.
>>66232112
>schalke
>>66232112
This has got to be the worst thread on /sp/ right now. It's so bad it makes me miss seeing mandrama here.
>>66232112
This isn't surprising, considering >Americans are your descendants.
>>66232592
With the new TV deal they can afford to take gambles on loads of players, even if they turn out to be shit
The PL is about to get even more intense
>>66232904
Maybe 70 years ago. Americans are the same colour as you now.
Even if we were asked, we wouldn't join it.
We've been asked by that smug rich American super league cunt to play a tourny in America, we're sending our development squad.
>>66232706
It's the same fucking joke eplel was until they discovered infinite money. ManU winning every year and Arselel sometimes, even being undefeated.
Then Abramovich bought Chelshit and put infinite money on it, same with Shitty. The league did not regulate to avoid a two team league, it's just that some clubs found inifinite money and stole the good players from the other two in many occasions. Nobody wants to join Manu anymore, nobody wants to join Liverpool anymore, nobody wants to join Arselel anymore. They're just step clubs, you're not being at the elite playing there anymore. Because Eplel is so ultra competitive? No, because other teams bought the right to be the good ones.
What did they do with that money? The same that small teams did with their own and the that spanish teams did during the 90s, buy useless shit.
Then you end up with a supposed good league were everything is fucking shit because nobody actually cares about developing football when you can just buy some more shit every fucking year and your deluded fans, not only from England, also from Malasya, will buy whatever you throw at them
And then, those delusional fans come to spee and say Your league is a joke, and don't realize that Sevilla with Tottenham budget would win the EPL easily and second, that after all, all your teams are so fucking shit that Lester is in top of them all because the rest it's just fucking pathetic. If you think that overhyped and overpayed 22 twats coached by another overhyped and overpayed 2 twats is equality in a league and makes every other team a joke, then you probably know shit about football, because even the last qualyfied from Spain, Germany or Italy is better prepared, trained and with a better tactical preparation than your stupid big four, where nobody is big anymore just because an arab decided to.
>>66233012
Sorry didn't know the fans made all the business decisions for the club.
>>66233012
>we
I didn't know they were asking random 4chan shitposters for their opinions
>>66233028
>>66233028
tl;dr: /thread
>>66233028
Not reading all that, but if you put as much effort into looking for a job as you did there, maybe the average spaniard wouldn't live with his parents till he's 35
>>66233028
Although you're pretty spot on, i'd like to point out that Leicester have bought smart, and there are decent teams in the Prem who have very good scouting networks, and commendable Director of Football staff to not overspend.
The big teams get prices out their arse because the fans are happy with it and they're not losing money. Sell on value doesn't tend to matter.
The fact teams like Man City are willing to spend £50m on Sterling, really shows how inept some of the management is.
Same can be said about Real Madrid though with the silly money they've spent.
>tv deal giving every team crazy good spending power
>league achieves parity as a result and you get a random ass team like Leicester winning the league
why doesn't every country do this
>>66233028
This is a fair assessment of the situation. And now more and more american owners are appearing, people with absolutely no idea of what football is about and with the sole intention of funneling the club's money out of it. They don't care about winning titles, they don'y give a fuck about what the fanbase wants, they aren't going to invest properly, they simply want the money and are happy as long as the team is not relegated. It's a mediocrity fest.
The city of the premier league
>>66233237
The difference between Britain and Southern Europe is tactical wise.
British coaches SUCK. That's why an Italian guy can get a team from the championship and take them to the CL.
Britain coaches are bad. I mean.. Let's not count SAF, who was the last British to win a major trophy?
>>66233350
Which Italian guy are you referring to?
>>66233270
>random ass team
Mate come on, there is parity, but Leicester deserve to be where they are.
Ever since they've started dominating week in week out, the criticism has changed from 'they'll fall down', 'they'll lose to the big teams' to, 'they'll lose to the small teams' to the 'they have no depth to sustain this..'
And now it's been, 'everyone else has suddenly turned to shit and Leicester are no better than what they were'.
It certainly would not happen in every country where theres a TV deal.
A player would still rather sign for Manchester United over Everton.
They would choose Arsenal over Bournemouth, you can't somewhat of a level playing field like in the USA with the money here.
Real Madrid and Barcelona are not suddenly going to be topped by Levante because they have the same budget as them.
OP is Rummenigge?
>>66233270
First of all, because the league has to be watched by a shitload of people to get a tv deal like that
Second of all, Leicester doing so well is not a result of any kind of TV deal or other money influx
I thought this was interesting so I looked up how many different league winners there were in each country since 1994 the year I was born.
Premier League - 5
La Liga - 5
Serie A - 5
Bundesliga - 6
Ligue 1 - 10
>>66233377
Is Ranieri not fucking italian you fucking idiot?
>>66233415
Not many people realise this, Leicester have only seen real money long enough for 4 transfer windows, and they're spending hasn't been that high.
Few exceptions being Ulloa for £8m, Kramaric for £7m rising to £9m, Okazaki £7m.
It's low league spending at best.
>>66233532
That's more than what Benfica spends in a season...
>>66233491
Did Ranieri manage Leicester in the championship? No? Paki mong.
imagine if there was a league-wide spending cap in the premier league. would that force them to actually invest in coaching/development or would the league just turn shit
>>66232428
go to bed Nederland, your humour is seriously lacking at these late hours
>>66233568
But it's remarkably lower that what the rest has spent.
>>66233568
benfica has the advantage of being able to sign whoever they want due to no work permit rules. they can buy hueinho for 1m from the br league and then sell him for 20.
epl has work permit rules so literal whos arent allowed unless theyre from within the eu
>>66233628
shit germany caught me slacking.. again
I for one am with Israel on this one
>>66233028
Mickey Mouse spanish league and Sevilla can't even win that.
Where's the spanish Leicester winning the league out of nowhere. It doesn't happen because your league has no depth.
>>66233568
Leicester have two players in the England national team now, and they cost Leicester a total of £1.6m combined.
>>66233831
Also two players in the U21s who show the signs of eventually making the senior squad for a comined cost of £3.7m
You can find quality if you're prepared to look for it.
una vela?
>>66233441
England have had 23 different teams win while Spain have 7-9. That's why it's a joke league.
>>66233903
decime qué se siente
![00c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vLafkvQ.jpg "00c[1].jpg")
>>66233903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9AB6WJMla4
>>66233989
>monguito
the brazillian harry kane?
>>66233926
>who won the league in 1898 impacts the quality of the league in 2016
you deserve a medal in the Mental Gymnastics Olympics
>>66234030
Right because history has no bearing on future events.
>>66234050
How does Preston North End grabbing a couple titles in the 19th century make the current league better?
It doesn't, the entire "the league is good because it has had different winners" is just another meme argument to defend the rapidly declining Premier League when it became impossible to defend its current teams.
why do people think Leicester will do shit in the Champions League?
Surely they'll be one of the bigger surprise packages as nobody knows what they're expecting.
>>66234098
I never said it made the current league better. You came to that conclusion all by yourself.
England has always had a tougher league with more competition while Spains league has always been a joke. Everyone thought Liverpool would continue to win everything but they dropped by the wayside. Same with Man Utd.
That wont ever happen in Spain. It will be Barce and Real for the rest of time.
>>66234180
>nobody knows what they're expecting
You know they could just watch a couple of Leicester's 38 league games they will have played by the end of the season + a few at the start of the next one and have a pretty clear idea on what to expect?
>>66232706
>Only 4 different teams have won the league since 1981
You should not lie like this when Wikipedia exists.
>>66234303
How did that turn out for Mou?
Every Premier League team watches their opponents at least 3 times before they play them. Most expected 1st team players watch clippings of their markers, of their opposition defenders. It's not uncommon, and it hasn't prevented Leicester from changing anything.
You don't know what you're up against till Vardy's in your face, or till Mahrez shows you the shoulder drop.
>>66234383
5.
But you had to go to wikipedia to find them yourself and you are spanish.
>rooney and martial= 14 combined league goals
>chicharito = 14 league goals
>louis van gaffe
>>66234495
Is it not a joke league now...
>>66233028
Bongland btfo desu
also >Schalke
>>66233400
underrated
also checked
>>66235723
Thank you, friend. We will be sure to send an Argie team to the Super League as well :)
If Barcelona & Real Madrid were playing in an European Super League, these would be the spanish league champions since the 1989-90 season, without doing the full math.
> 2015: ATLETICO DE MADRID
> 2014: ATLETICO DE MADRID
> 2013: ATLETICO DE MADRID
> 2012: VALENCIA
> 2011: VALENCIA
> 2010: VALENCIA
> 2009: SEVILLA
> 2008: VILLARREAL
> 2007: SEVILLA
> 2006: VALENCIA
> 2005: VILLARREAL
> 2004: VALENCIA*
> 2003: REAL SOCIEDAD
> 2002: VALENCIA*
> 2001: DEPORTIVO LA CORUÑA
> 2000: DEPORTIVO LA CORUÑA*
> 1999: MALLORCA
> 1998: ATHLETIC BILBAO
> 1997: DEPORTIVO LA CORUÑA
> 1996: ATLETICO DE MADRID*
> 1995: DEPORTIVO LA CORUÑA
> 1994: DEPORTIVO LA CORUÑA
> 1993: DEPORTIVO LA CORUÑA
> 1992: ATLETICO DE MADRID
> 1991: ATLETICO DE MADRID
> 1990: VALENCIA
(*actual champion)
If JuventuS, Milan & Inter were playing in an European Super League, these would be the spanish league champions since the 1989-90 season, without doing the full math.
> 2015: ROMA
> 2014: ROMA
> 2013: NAPOLI
> 2012: UDINESE
> 2011: NAPOLI
> 2010: ROMA
> 2009: FIORENTINA
> 2008: ROMA
> 2007: ROMA
> 2006: ROMA
> 2005: UDINESE
> 2004: ROMA
> 2003: LAZIO
> 2002: ROMA
> 2001: ROMA*
> 2000: LAZIO*
> 1999: LAZIO
> 1998: UDINESE
> 1997: PARMA
> 1996: LAZIO
> 1995: LAZIO
> 1994: SAMPDORIA
> 1993: PARMA
> 1992: TORINO
> 1991: SAMPDORIA*
> 1990: NAPOLI*
(*actual champion)
>>66234180
I am not underrating them. they are where they are for a reason.
not saying they'd beat Barcelona (though the heart of the underfox could pull through) but they'd do well.
>>66235914
That parity
>>66235980
ROMA WINS LOL
>>66235997
They'd probably do as well as other premier clubs in cl, though they might suffer a bit with another competition added to their calendar
If Manchester United, Arsenal & Chelsea were playing in an European Super League, these would be the spanish league champions since the 1989-90 season, without doing the full math.
> 2015: MANCHESTERY CITY
> 2014: MANCHESTERY CITY*
> 2013: MANCHESTERY CITY
> 2012: MANCHESTERY CITY*
> 2011: MANCHESTERY CITY
> 2010: TOTTENHAM
> 2009: LIVERPOOL
> 2008: LIVERPOOL
> 2007: LIVERPOOL
> 2006: LIVERPOOL
> 2005: EVERTON
> 2004: LIVERPOOL
> 2003: NEWCASTLE
> 2002: LIVERPOOL
> 2001: LIVERPOOL
> 2000: LEEDS
> 1999: LEEDS
> 1998: LIVERPOOL
> 1997: NEWCASTLE
> 1996: NEWCASTLE
> 1995: BLACKBURN*
> 1994: BLACKBURN
> 1993: ASTON VILLA
> 1992: LEEDS*
> 1991: LIVERPOOL
> 1990: LIVERPOOL*
(*actual champion)
>>66236064
>>66235980
> spanish league
damn pasta
>>66232112
Nice shitpost m8. Pochetino gave up on EL because he is a fucking fraud not because aston villa was somehow going to steal his points.
If Bayern Munich was playing in an European Super League, these would be the german league champions since the 1989-90 season, without doing the full math.
> 2015: WOLFSBURG
> 2014: BORUSSIA DORTMUND
> 2013: BORUSSIA DORTMUND
> 2012: BORUSSIA DORTMUND*
> 2011: BORUSSIA DORTMUND*
> 2010: SCHALKE 04
> 2009: WOLFSBURG*
> 2008: WERDER BREMEN
> 2007: STUTTGART*
> 2006: WERDER BREMEN
> 2005: SCHALKE 04
> 2004: WERDER BREMEN*
> 2003: STUTTGART
> 2002: BORUSSIA DORTMUND*
> 2001: SCHALKE 04
> 2000: BAYER LEVERKUSEN
> 1999: BAYER LEVERKUSEN
> 1998: KAISERSLAUTERN*
> 1997: BAYER LEVERKUSEN
> 1996: BORUSSIA DORTMUND*
> 1995: BORUSSIA DORTMUND*
> 1994: KAISERSLAUTERN
> 1993: WERDER BREMEN*
> 1992: STUTTGART*
> 1991: KAISERSLAUTERN*
> 1990: KOLN
(*actual champion)
If Benfica, Porto & Sporting were playing in an European Super League, these would be the portuguese league champions since the 1989-90 season, without doing the full math.
> 2015: BRAGA
> 2014: ESTORIL
> 2013: PAÇOS FERREIRA
> 2012: BRAGA
> 2011: BRAGA
> 2010: BRAGA
> 2009: NACIONAL
> 2008: VITORIA
> 2007: BRAGA
> 2006: BRAGA
> 2005: BRAGA
> 2004: NACIONAL
> 2003: VITORIA
> 2002: BOAVISTA
> 2001: BOAVISTA*
> 2000: BOAVISTA
> 1999: BOAVISTA
> 1998: VITORIA
> 1997: BRAGA
> 1996: BOAVISTA
> 1995: VITORIA
> 1994: BOAVISTA
> 1993: BOAVISTA
> 1992: BOAVISTA
> 1991: BOAVISTA
> 1990: VITORIA
(*actual champion)
>fairness in divegrass
Lol
Let's look at the past ten superb owls:
Denver, Carolina
New England, Seattle
Seattle, Denver
Baltimore, San Francisco
New York (Giants), New England
Green Bay, Pittsburgh
New Orleans, Indianapolis
Pittsburgh, Arizona
New York, New England
Indianapolis, Chicago
You will never get that kind of parity in divegrass. Real Madrid and Barcelona fans would kill themselves if they went ten, even five years without winning the league. You can get the top 20 clubs in the world (by net worth or revenue) make it salary capped and have lots of revenue sharing and you will still have winners and losers. The difference is between having 1-4 good teams and about 15.
>>66234050
Nottingham Forest confirmed for next UCL winners.
>>66236854
>parity
Football is a sport, not the amerilard socialist entertainment circus of handegg. Clubs here are not cowards that can't get relegated. Clubs live and die by their merits, none of this lukewarm sharing faggotry you guys have only made to keep the masses under control
>5 years without winning a league
Has happened quite a few times to both teams. At the end of this season there's a big chance madrid won't have won the league in 4 years and it should have been more if not for blatant reffballing
>>66233028
This is why Spanibros are so based. Fucking speaking the truth there, amigo.
>>66233028
Fucking brutal
>>66233237
Sure Lester has done a good job with that, but only shows that you didn't need much that just doing your work propperly.
Is the same that happened with Sevilla a few years ago, but many teams actually did something similar, after the "infinite" money many teams thought they had during the late 90s disappeared
>>66232112
>because their domestic leagues are easier
nah, your top teams are just so much worse
barcelona/bayern/real madrid/juve/dortmund/psg would sleepwalk your piss poor league
>>66232112
>FC Traktor
my sides
>>66235635
>>66235669
STEALTH RARE STEALTH RARE
European Super League should work with regional franchises (like Super Rugby) and clubs serving as feeders for them.
>>66240897
OH SHIT
>FC Traktor
>Rolling over for anyone
Bitch please, someone clearly doesn't watch the Iranian League
>>66240897
Oh fuck, thanks mate
...but you know, jog on. Walk on.
>>66236064
Chelsea was shit untl Abramovich, put Liverpool in that place
>>66232112
>British crybaby trying to justify how lame his country is
Just get over it John, english football is overrated as fuck and years below german, spanish or italian.
>>66233028
Absolute truth.
The first time one of those american or oil-owned teams gets relegated it's going to be fucking hilarious. /sp/ will explode with shitposting for the entire of the next season.
>schalke
>>66232112
>This can be seen by Tottenham resting their side in the first leg vs Dortmund for Aston Villa
That was a lie. They knew they'd get trashed even with their best line up. all this was just an excuse for what was inevitable.
English teams wouldn't be allowed to tackle as they're used to in a European competition. They'd finish most games with 10 men.
>>66241915
horseshit
If anything Fellaini deserved to be sent off on both legs, and Pigfucker on the 2nd. Yet, no reds. And the first tie had a spanish ref.
I'm completely against this kind of things.
It's anti-sport, so shove it up your ass you Kurdistan renegade.
>>66235914
>>66235980
>>66236064
>>66236248
>>66236465
If Ajax and PSV were playing in an European Super League (because Eredivisie relevant), these would be the Dutch league champions since the 1989-90 season, without doing the full math.
> 2015: AZ
> 2014: TWENTE
> 2013: FEYENOORD
> 2012: FEYENOORD
> 2011: TWENTE
> 2010: TWENTE*
> 2009: AZ*
> 2008: NAC BREDA
> 2007: AZ
> 2006: AZ
> 2005: AZ
> 2004: FEYENOORD
> 2003: FEYENOORD
> 2002: FEYENOORD
> 2001: FEYENOORD
> 2000: HEERENVEEN
> 1999: FEYENOORD*
> 1998: VITESSE
> 1997: FEYENOORD
> 1996: FEYENOORD
> 1995: RODA JC
> 1994: FEYENOORD
> 1993: FEYENOORD*
> 1992: FEYENOORD
> 1991: GRONINGEN
> 1990: TWENTE
(*actual champion)
>>66233028
except way more than 8 teams have won the english league
>>66233350
>British managers suck
>well except for that one who was one of the best coaches ever
fucking kek, no jf will ever emulate SAF's success
>>66242328
>except for that one
except for the ONLY one
>>66243126
and shankley
and paisley
and clough
and busby
but yeah good point m8
>>66232340
>>66232112
If anything you said is true then english teams would be seasoned warriors that shouldn't find challenge when playing in europe. And that isn't the case at all.
>>66243214
they're usually burnt out towards the end of the season because of the number of games plus the intensity of the games
>>66243240
Still doesn't make sense, then your teams would dominate the group stage but not one of your teams ended up on the first position of the group.
Just accept the facts that your teams are garbage when they have to face Barca-Madrid-Bayern and even PSG.
>>66233028
Except Sevilla wouldn't win shit because
>Unai Lelmery
Every wonder why he's not managing a big team? You know, like Real Madrid/Barcelona? He'd be shit, some managers literally don't know what to do with all those resources, especially when there's executive meddling involved.
And speaking of pathetic, let's look at leliga.
For years, it has been the Barcelona-Real Madrid league. Don't pretend this isn't the case just because the Premier League made mistakes. Only recently, Atletico Madrid stepped up, and hasn't won shit since winning the league.
>b-b-but muh international league performances
We're talking about a single league here. La Liga is a fucking bore outside of the top 3 because at the end of the day, none of it fucking matters. You, me, and everyone in /sp/ knows that the only teams in it that matter right now are Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid.
That's because the rest of the teams are poor as shit, and to make up for it, you insecure poorfags come to /sp/ and talk about muh tacticool genious, even though every other spanish team shivers at the thought of playing against the top 3.
So fuck off calling anyone else's league pathetic.
Been saying this for a while now!! Well played OP
But...
>Schalke?
Lel
>>66243349
>not one of your teams ended up on the first position of the group.
>>66243349
>won two groups
>"not one of your teams ended up on the first position"
>>66243407
>>66243446
ignore the retard, it's the quotation mark guy that shitposts about England. Just post pictures of the Falklands to him and he'll go away.
>>66243407
ManU -3rd
Arselel-2nd
City is the only one that took first place from a hard group, Chelshit got first by 2 points in a group that had Porto and Dinamo and got assraped by PSG.
Get over it your league is worth a shit, next year when Leceister has to play the CL and has to face a good team they will be raped.
super league will kill off every lower league around europe..... how is that a good thing
>>66232706
And only like 6 English teams have won our league in that time (Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool since I'm counting 1st div. too, City, Blackburn)
>>66243462
>not one of your teams ended up on the first position of the group.
>>66243473
Cos no one wants to watch shitty teams from shitty cities with shitty tactics
>>66243489
You forgot Villa, Everton and Leeds mate
If HJK Helsinki was playing in an European Super League (because Veikkausliiga is relevant), these would be the Finnish league champions since the 1990 season, without doing the full math.
> 2015: SJK
> 2014: SJK
> 2013: FC HONKA
> 2012: FC INTER
> 2011: FC INTER
> 2010: KUPS
> 2009: FC HONKA
> 2008: FC INTER
> 2007: TAMU
> 2006: TAMU
> 2005: MYPA
> 2004: FC HAKA
> 2003: FC HAKA
> 2002: MYPA
> 2001: TAMU
> 2000: FC HAKA
> 1999: FC HAKA
> 1998: FC HAKA
> 1997: VPS
> 1996: FC JAZZ
> 1995: FC HAKA
> 1994: TPV
> 1993: FC JAZZ
> 1992: KUUSYSI
> 1991: KUUSYSI
> 1990: KUUSYSI
>>66244590
Where's Pukki?
>arsenal
>>66243462
Maybe you should stop being a childish ABEPL retard
