Reminder: Arselel lost to this team today.
>U21 STRIKER
PART
>>65863700
??
Checkin those dubs though.
Seriously, that's probably the worst defense I've ever seen.
I don't think it can top the time Fergie played like 8 defenders in the starting line up and won at the Emirates
>>65863787
Seriously
>>65863809
Though it was at OT, not Emirates
>>65863809
think that might be worse than what United had today
>midfield
>no midfielders except Darron fucking gibson
but seriously people don't give saf enough credit
Is Rashford better than Rooney?
>>65863820
It was at OT, I remembered it wrong
>>65863838
Both Martial and Rashford are better than Rooney. Don't let Rooney's customary blip of goals convince you other wise.
>>65863809
What was this score?
Even the 8-2 was a shit lineup
And lest we forget that Park ALWAYS came on and scored in the last half hour against Arsenal
>>65864065
Park was god-tier against Arsenal.
>>65864065
this was a good team back then though. Cleverley and Anderson were on fire to start that 11/12 season until they got injured. Young was one of the best wingers in the league, Nani was the EPL assist leader the season before and it was the last time Rooney could be called a world class player.
The funniest thing is that De Gea was probably their weakest starter at that time.
>>65864870
I always hated Nani, Ando was always shit, Cleverley was only ever good once against Man City (wish i still had that passing clinic gif), and Evans was ALWAYS GARBAGE.
>welbeck
>>65863652
Varela and Rashford are the only literally whos in that line up
>>65863913
Liverpool is a small, shit club mate.
>>65865015
>Lingard
Cant force this on the united team, THE Arsenal got it wrong, simple as
>>65863809
>>65864065
SAF truly the GOAT
>>65864065
>What was this score?
2-0. Rooney and Fabio scored.
>>65864065
>>65864970
>Evans was ALWAYS GARBAGE
Except he wasn't. He was the reason Pique was sold. i.e. he was better than Pique, a player most people seem to see as some world class superstar for some odd reason.
There was a time when Vidic and Evans were roughly as good as each other. He declined a little after that wonderful season and then was solid again in Ferguson's last season. He was decent under Moyes (about the level of Terry this season) and then absolutely terrible last season.
Stop re-writing history.
That 8-2 team was exceptionally strong. Anderson was always a world class talent who never kicked on, but THAT was the season when it was most likely and he had an exceptional opening 2 months in that season alongside Cleverley in CM in a 4-2-3-1 system which isn't demonstrated in that image, but Rooney played behind Welbeck as a 10 with Young and Nani flanking him.
>I hate Nani
Not relevant. Grow up. He was a world class footballer back then.
>>65866017
>for some odd reason.
maybe that odd reason is Pique massively improving since then and Evans barely progressing?
>>65866038
Except he didn't improve that much, he just joined a team where great defending ability wasn't a necessity of being a CB and 70-80% possession was expected in every game.
As opposed to Manchester United 08-11, where the entire team was built on having a solid back 5, a super strong and reliable defense that rarely conceded and hitting teams on the counter.
People say Jose is a dull manager and plays dull football, but the truth is Ferguson pulled the exact same trick as him 80% of the time. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Jose copied Ferguson and based his success on Fergie's tactics.
Peak Pique (lel) would never get into any Manchester United team since he left. Not even now barring an injury crisis. I doubt he'd even get a game over Blind.
He looked all over the place against Arsenal. Made Welbeck look like Messi.
>spend £100M on a couple of strikers
>both get outperformed by a guy from the youth team
>>65866136
>Except he didn't improve that much, he just joined a team where great defending ability wasn't a necessity of being a CB and 70-80% possession was expected in every game.
>As opposed to Manchester United 08-11, where the entire team was built on having a solid back 5, a super strong and reliable defense that rarely conceded and hitting teams on the counter.
different styles fit different kinds of players, who would have known
>>65866136
>it's a people think defending on a possession based team is not defending episode
playing with an extremely high defensive line and with full backs who bomb forward at every opportunity is one of the biggest challenges for a defender.
It takes much more anticipation and positioning skill than sitting in your box for 90 minutes and heading away crosses.
>>65866162
The difference is Barcelona's style suits literally every CB who has ever played the game ever.
Manchester United's style would only suit the very best CBs who are capable of putting in block after block and challenge after challenge to keep the opponent out.
Evans would have done even better than Pique had he signed for Barcelona instead. Perhaps not quite as good with the ball at his feat and contributing to the attacking effort of the team overall, but certainly as a defender in marking attackers, making challenges, intercepting passes and essentially keeping out goals.
>>65866258
Disagree. And there's a big difference between camping inside your own box and batting away ball after ball after ball, and simply contesting a well balanced 50/50, end-to-end game with direct attacking football from both sides.
>2 non centrebacks
Is Lang Baal ultimate meme master?
>>65864870
>this was a good team
>this flag
>not knowing this topic
Disgraceful
>>65866621
he didn't have the choice desu, and both had experience as CBs
what was truly shameful was arsenal's defence conceding 2 to a U18 kid
It's not that bad but Arsenal should have won pretty easily.
>>65866555
>The difference is Barcelona's style suits literally every CB who has ever played the game ever.
Then why did so many centre backs flopped for them? It came to the point where they had to use Mascherano there because every single CB they had other than Puyol and Pique was making a shitloads of mistakes every single game
>>65866628
what is form? literally every midfielder and striker on this team was in one of the best periods of their careers at that moment. they started the season with like 9 wins and 1 draw
>>65866555
>The difference is Barcelona's style suits literally every CB who has ever played the game ever.
Literally the most retarded and/or underaged post of the day.
Clearly you don't remember how Terry looked the few times Chelsea tried to play a high-line.
>>65866910
Terry has always been utterly shit. Only retards think he was good because he dives around like an idiot all the time.
Exactly the same as Puyol. Shit-tier defenders the pair of them.
>7-1
>>65866806
Because all their other defenders were shit. It says it all when a CM was their best option.
Defenders in LaLiga are generally awful. Look at Otamendi. Tells you everything you need to know that he was considered the best CB in Spain.
>>65867019
>Defenders in LaLiga are generally awful
La Liga in Europe this year
>11 games played
>3 goals conceded
>8 clean sheets
>>65867063
>barcelona and real madrid
Yes well done. That's because they completely dominate games and leave very little chance for teams to launch any sort of attack. Their defenders are barely required.
Swap the back 5 of current Barcelona (or even 2009-2011 Barcelona) into a team like Newcastle and see how well they do.
>pro-tip: they'd get absolutely overrun every single week and teams would be racking up cricket scores
>>65867003
>hurr barcelona style suits every CB ever
>hurr but terry was always shit anyways
Clearly not every CB then, you dumb inbred cunt.
>>65867100
>barcelona and real madrid
no, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico, Villarreal, Bilbao, Valencia and Sevilla.
>>65867003
>Terry has always been utterly shit. Only retards think he was good because he dives around like an idiot all the time.
>leader of the defence that gave up 15 goals in a Premier League season
>hurr durr what a shitter
just give it up m8
>>65866555
>The difference is Barcelona's style suits literally every CB who has ever played the game ever
of course, we all saw how well possession football fit united's defenders this season, and that was a completely shut down bus parked no risk defensive possession united played, nothing like alves playing as a winger most of the game or having the cb line in the middle of the pitch. I still remember the expressions van gaal used to make witnessing the shit show that was united's defenders trying to play the ball foward with any kind of criteria and without kicking it to the other side of the pitch. But I'm sure any of those defenders would be able to do the same work pique does at barcelona, like you said: barcelona's style suits every cb.
>Evans would have done even better than Pique had he signed for Barcelona instead
of course, and smalling and phil jones too
>certainly as a defender in marking attackers, making challenges, intercepting passes and essentially keeping out goals
It's clear you have no idea of what pique gives to barcelona and why barcelona uses someone like him
And you may like pique or not but one thing cannot be denied: he has regularly, for the last 8 years, faced the highest level of opposition, both in barcelona and in spain's nt, and he has quite more often than not been successful at it. He has won everything there is to win in football, always as a starting cb, and has been essential part of the most successful football club and national team in recent years. Also, reminder that pique plays on ronaldo's side of the pitch.
But hey, I'm sure Evans would have been able to do the same with the same degree of success.
>>65867063
>Defenders in LaLiga are generally awful
but they are
>be pique
>utterly average at united
>can't even make the bench
>sold because not good enough and deemed he never would be
>go to barca
>magically turns into a 'world class' defender
>be otamendi
>play in laliga
>be a 'world class' defender
>universally loved by all
>move to EPL
>play one game
>total liability
>6 months later
>can barely keep his place in the team
>an absolute joke
>everyone is laughing at the fee paid for him
>will probably be sold in summer or perma-benched for someone else
>>65867111
What?
Those teams have played 35 games in Europe this season. Not 11.
>>65867159
then how do all those La Liga defences do so well in Europe?
maybe because their teams are actually organised well instead of cramming the most expensive names into the starting XI and expecting them to perform just like that
>>65867137
>I'm sure Evans would have been able to do the same with the same degree of success.
No, he would have done far better as he is a better defender. Pique is probably the most fortunate footballer ever. He played for the best ever club side and one of the best ever national sides.
He ghosted through his career despite being a fairly average footballer. He wouldn't have lasted 2 seasons in the EPL, yet he was able to carve out a "world class" career because of his circumstance.
>>65867182
See
>>65867100
How did Spain concede so few goals when they won the Euros and World Cup?
Because they didn't need to defend. They had 80% possession and Iniesta and Xavi played 1000 passes to each other while Pique stood and watched game after game go by.
Occasionally he had to pick up a lose ball or head a long ball away, that was it.
>>65867225
Do Atletico, Villarreal, Bilbao, Valencia and Sevilla keep the ball 80% of the time as well?
>>65867167
>year
but here's the entire season with comparison to EPL
La Liga
>53 games
>47 goals conceded
Premier League
>44 games
>47 goals conceded
>>65867259
Valencia conceded 7 in one game to Barcelona.
>>65867304
>to Barcelona
Schneiderlin, Herrera and Rashford are good players. Arsenal only has Ozil.
>>65867397
and sanchez, but he's totally burnt out
>>65867411
Well exactly if he's burnt out he's not any good is he
when starting lineup was revealed
>haha united is going to get obliterated
after the game
>united had a pretty good squad
No just fuck off
>>65867625
Really even after Barcelona?
>>65867625
nobody expected rashford to be good, not even van gaal
without him it would have been 2-1 for arsenal
>>65867709
Except the people who watched the Midtjylland game
Arsenal's basically Ozil, Cech and a bunch of shitters, no surprise they lost t b h, especially with Alexis Sanchez playing like Ox
>>65868008
All the defenders except Kos are shit
Coquelin is overrated as fuck
Ramsey is out of form (but he will come again)
Sanchez is out of form
Walcott and Ox are shit
Welbeck and Giroud are shit
There's enough of a core there to work with but they need to start by replacing the biggest problem of all, the manager.
>>65867867
well arsenal was supposed to be on another level...
supposed
>>65868008
>>65868038
Fuck here we go...
>memerela
>2 CMs as CBs
>meme rojo
>memeard
>juan meme
>memes depay
>memeshford
>literal whos on the bench
>3-2
>ends Arselel's dreams of winning the league
>LvG gets all the memes
>>65868711
>LVG keeps his job
>Arsenlel get another 4th place trophy and Wenger gets a new three year contract
both clubs are the losers here
