>in European sports it is common for domestic league championships to be decided before the season is over instead of having a playoff system with quarterfinal, semifinal and championship games deciding champions
For what purpose? I'll but into Europeans calling fields "pitches", games "matches" and sports the singular "sport" as cultural differences, but this is just 100% objectively inferior to having a championship "match". It is anticlimactic. What's the point of even playing after the champion has been decided since there are no drafts to tank for?
>>65717952
>For what purpose?
So that we crown the league's best team as champions rather than a team that just got hot at the right time.
We value merit over entertainment.
>>65717952
>in American sports teams intentionally lose games when they're bad so they hopefully won't be as shit some day
>not knowing what relegation/promotion is
shit, I'll bite...
>play good the whole season
>win championship
>play good during a short period of time
>win championship
what sounds better?
>>65718014
>>65718222
Using that logic 18-1 never would have happened.
>>65718411
what's your point?
>>65718222
The problem with this is that there are often multiple teams who play really well during a season. Setting up a playoff system to weed out the pretenders sets up a championship where the victor can truly claim to be the champion because they have beaten the other good teams.
>>65718411
the Patriots were the best team that year and there would've been nothing wrong with them being champions.
Play off system produces better memes, league system produces better champions
>>65718548
>Weeds out pretenders
No it doesn't, play offs are exactly what allows a weenie team to luck their way to the Championship. A season where everyone play everyone tests who the strongest squad really is since they can't just live off a bit of hype and luck through when opponents have a bad day.
There's a reason that the National cups ( FA cup etc) are seen as kind of pointless.
IT IS TIME
>>65718411
exactly
Quads and footy wins forever
>what are cup competitions
You see, our sport is big enough to have both.
The Premier League is determined by the table.
The cups are knockout tournaments.
The leagues below have a playoff for the final promotion spot.
>american sports care more about entertainment
>european sports care more about competition
this should settle all muricavs yurop future arguement
>>65718689
But that's wrong. The postseason is what separates the boys from men. The postseason is wildly different than the regular season because the competitiveness is enhanced 10 fold. "getting hot at the right time" isn't really a thing because "hot" teams get cooled off fast. The postseason take luck out of the equation to rely solely on talent=true champions.
>>65718772
It's the reason why this board exists.
>>65717952
>What's the point of even playing after the champion has been decided since there are no drafts to tank for?
there are other things other teams fight for, like qualifying for international competitions or avoiding relegation. Leagues don't completely boil down to who's the champion's QB.
>>65718988
In 2012/13 Wigan Athletic beat Man City and won the FA Cup, England's biggest cup competition. Wigan were also relegated from the Premier League the same season because they were fucking awful.
Man City would beat Wigan 19/20 times but Wigan got lucky on the day.
The same thing happened with Birmingham City when they beat Arsenal in 2010/11 in the Carling Cup, won it and were relegated.
That's why the cups are good, a chance for lesser teams to try and win something, but to decide your season's champions on knockout games when they've already played god knows how many times is just stupid.
Granted, your NFL teams don't all play each other, and I think the system you have is probably the best you could do, but you can't say our way of doing things is inferior.
>>65718988
>But that's wrong. The postseason is what separates the boys from men. The postseason is wildly different than the regular season because the competitiveness is enhanced 10 fold. "getting hot at the right time" isn't really a thing because "hot" teams get cooled off fast. The postseason take luck out of the equation to rely solely on talent=true champions.
you're legally retarded, aren't you?
>>65718095
>actually liking relegation/promotion
Good thing all top football leagues have cups to be played alongside.
Enjoy your 8 month league breaks after one team gets lucky finish in top form and snatches the championship.
>>65721967
>It's not in Amerishit sports so it's shit.
That's what every argument boils down to. Same with your reluctance of shit like the metric system or clapping after movies. You're the weird one.
>play 16 games
>season is over
>wait nine months for new entertainment
OR
>38 matches evenly spread out over most of the year
>plus cups matches which has a championship design
>>65721967
>teams should get a seat at the top table purely based off whether they make the league enough money instead of if they're good enough
Good goyim
To all Eruos ITT the NFL Playoff systemis the reason you are posting on /sp/ and not /b/ right now
>>65722395
Be entertained for four months or bored 9 months out of the year knowing that the richest team will likely win halfway through the season.
There is a reason I don't watch mandrama and it is that I don't know who will win 6 months from know just by paying attention for one week.
>>65725838
Don't want to know*
>>65718014
/thread
Yanks are plebs.
It works like that in Europe because every team in the league plays every other team home and away
>>65718988
>The postseason take luck out of the equation to rely solely on talent=true champions.
>a one off result gives less room for variance than a seasons worth of results
Derp
>>65718411
Yes and it highlights the retardness of your 'sports'
>>65725688
Wtf are you blabbering about you infant?
>>65725912
Now that is a good reason. I think the NBA, NHL, and MLB could use that. If they change the schedule. NFL could if they just did AFC only and NFC only, and treated the bowl more like what it was the NFC champ vs the AFC champ.
>>65725999
It is a USA vs the world thread, memeing and shitposting is the norm.
>>65718548
Nah m8. The playoff/knockout system has it's downsides. For example, >Greece won the Euro in 2004 through bus parking. If the Euros were done in the same manner as the regular league season, Greece wouldn't have lucked their way into winning it.
The playoffs are better for those teams who scraped by during the season while the regular league season is good for crowning the most consistent team
>>65726073
18-1, the event that culminated in this board. Came from a playoff system. American Football, not Association, is the reason this board exists and we aren't in a thread sandwiched between furry porn and some guy's dick.
>European sports
>no salary cap
>the richest team keeps buying the best players
Nice system, you got there
>>65726222
Too much capitalism for you?
>>65726204
There was a sports before 2008 it just got deleted. There was talk of moot bringing it back, 18-1 was just the clincher. /sp/ would be here right now even if 18-1 never happened.
>>65726277
You're welcome.
I think you have to consider the fact we play in smaller countries so we don't fuck around with conferences and divisions. In a domestic football league season the best team will have the most points and nobody can complain. I love basketball but it's beyond retarded that the playoffs arent 1-16seeded
>>65726273
We are a capitalist society that likes socialism. How do people not get this.
>>65717952
I actually don't think this is a terrible idea. The top European leagues are dull in how predictable they are. It's the same handful of rich teams that win the title every season. I actually think there's something attractive in the idea that the likes of Everton, Spurs, West Brom, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea would've all had a shot at the English title in recent years.
The only thing is that you'd have to overhaul the league structure. You couldn't have a 38-game season with the top 8/20 going straight to the play-offs - it would render the league season too long and tedious since it would effectively be a qualifying round. You'd probably have to split the league up into regional divisions like the NFL so that the race to qualify for the play-offs would be exciting.
>>65726570
Kill self
>>65718014
Oh it's painfully obvious you don't value entertainment in your sports.
>>65722146
Seriously... where did the whole clapping after movies thing come from? I've literally never seen it happen.
>>65726925
*clap* *clap* *clap*
*eats burger*
>>65726314
>We are a capitalist society that likes socialism.
>>65727014
*clap* *clap* *clap*
*has someone shit on their chest*
>>65727214
Ew, fucking weirdo.
>>65717952
Tbqh the most prestigious cup is a play-off tournament you know
The champions league
Belgium have play offs in their league, yes?
>>65727295
It's an acceptable format for a cup or an Apertura-Clausura format.
>>65725838
>not knowing about the top 4 teams getting Champions League seats
>not understanding how a point system works
>not knowing about the current meme PL league leaders Leicester City
Confirmed for literally not knowing what you're talking about you stupid faggot
mainly because europe/africa/SA are such shitholes they cant actually have playoff systems without having their players murdered for losing games
AAGGUEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGHGHGHHGHG
will always be better than 18-1
>>65717952
why would you do this? everyone else is just going to shit on America, like it or not their league system does make a lot more sense.
>>65718689
>There's a reason that the National cups ( FA cup etc) are seen as kind of pointless.
And then you have the World Cup, the most important soccer event in the world, that is set up exactly like a standard american playoff system. Explain that, muhammad.
>>65728147
You are a primo retard.
>>65728190
Nice ad hominem, Mendel. You forgot to post to attach a funny meme XD with it.
>>65728270
>>65726098
MLS should be a single league desu
>>65727913
Kek, it's not even the best league ending this country has seen.
>>65718887
Motherfucker
>>65731012
Next to no one here saw that live.
>>65731170
It still shits on MUH WIN OVER 10 MAN QPR
>>65718014
This. We romanticize playoffs, but they are a stupid way of picking a champion.
>>65728468
No playoff bux for the owners
No playoffs will never happen in North America
>Seasonal """""sports"""""
>>65728147
it is because it is held every four ! years, sou you're qualifying for four ! years and then you can settle it with play offs, how is that puzzling ?
>>65732421
But again, the team that gets hot at the right time wins just like in North American playoffs.
>>65727704
This
>>65718411
We have something reasonably similar in fairness, not quite as insane but most of the way there in which an entitled fanbase was acting like they already had the league won and somehow deserved it.
>>65732434
that is not true, cause most of the winning teams' players all compete in the top leagues in europe, so quality mostly win not luck, sure there have been teams that have made it pretty far but the winner is always the better team actually, apart from argentina, who won by cheating
>>65732434
were it possible/practical to play a league system for international football, it would be happening.
knockout tournaments can be more entertaining in their own way; that's why we have them as well as the leagues.
>>65732473
>the winner is always the better team actually
no
>>65732473
Nah he's right, random shit can happen in international tournaments. Greece and Denmark could never have won the Euros in a league system.
The only real reason it's done that way is that there simply isn't the time to do anything longer.
2002 Brazil didn't lose a single match during tournament
2006 Italy didn't lose a single match
2010 Spain lost 1 game
2014 Germany didn't lose any games
You can clearly see that the best team won every time, the fact that you dislike other nations is irrelevant
>>65732548
>the world cup started in 2002
There are merits to both systems. Don't act like Europeans are unfamiliar to the playoff or finals system, they have the Champions league, the local cup, and a major knockout tournament every two years.
The point system leagues are quite thrilling because there a whole lot of vital games scattered throughout the season. Especially when the top of the table is congested like it is in the premierleague this year. Every game the top five sides play from here on out is absolutely vital. There is no scruising to the playoffs.
The french and german leagues are, however, incredibly boring because the champion is effectively settled halfway through the year. Still, a play off season with dominant teams like PSG and Bayern would also be really boring as you would just be treading water waiting for the finals to come around.
it's literally the same system the countries are the conferences and the champions league is the playoffs
>>65732548
Mate there are lots of reasons this argument is moronic, and there are other very good reasons that the world cup isn't a league system. Chief among them that it would be fucking impossible.
>>65727470
Yes, 6 best teams at the end of the normal championship play for the title. I don't like it, you only have to scrape for top 6 during the year and be in good form at the end
Rewards consistency. The best team over the whole period deserves to win the title and that's what happens. Playoffs do reward teams with better records in reg. season but they can still get BTFO by teams who just got hot at the right time.
I love based basketball but the playoffs are a joke. One conference is clearly better than the other so teams like Cleveland and Miami (when Lebrick was there) get a free ride to the playoffs. At that point its just about winning 4 games.
Football is an even worse example. I like watching that shit too but to win the whole thing you have to win max 4 games? C'mon now.
>>65731012
Its up for grabs hereeeeee
the nfl playoff is retarded. you cant argue that. 16 games shouldnt be tossed out by a single game.
the baseball/nba one is alright, it has less room for memes, but i dont like things that devalue the regular season and make those games meaningless.
I like the system in hockey the most.
The season is 82 games for each team so it's sure that only the best teams make the playoffs. Then the matchups are best of 7 series so it's sure that a team can't win by just having a good day.
And they have a salary cap and drafts which balances things out. At least the salary cap is something that I agree the UEFA should introduce. It's boring to know that one of maybe three rich teams is gonna win before the season even starts.
>He thinks the post season is a good idea
You literally only think a play-off system to determine your league winner is good if you are an ADHD retard
The same also applies to regular season games having overtime
>>65731247
10 man QPR who essentially gave up the last ten minutes because it was confirmed they're staying up over the tannoy
they could've easily won that game
>>65732644
a panthers fan would be saying that right now wouldn't they
in sports where a team prepares for an environment, like a car for a track, a xx skiier for a course, cycling, a points accumulation system makes sense.
in a sport where a team prepares for another team, creating matchups and strategy, a playoff system is better. weed out the chaff, and see who has prepared more capably
>>65718014
>the best team can't win in the playoffs
?
What kind of shitty joke team can't win when there's actual pressure, isn't it supposed to be competitive?
>>65736827
what the fuck are you talking about?
stop embarrassing yourself boy
>>65717952
>in European sports it is common for domestic league championships to be decided before the season is over instead of having a playoff system with quarterfinal, semifinal and championship games deciding champions
Nah, that's the opposite, actually. Most domestic leagues are decided through playoffs.
Football is pretty much the only one that doesn't have playoffs (handball too I think). All the other sports (basketball, rugby, volleyball, ice hockey...) have playoffs.
Plus there are European cups , that are all decided through playoffs.
>>65717952
Because yuros are fags lmfao
>>65718014
so you don't value entertainment in your entertainment?
>>65744297
A sport is competition first, entertainment second.
>>65727704
>4 teams get chances to be cucked by the big 3
>point system is lame
> produced one exciting season in how many years?
kek
>>65744314
This semen slurping sport isn't for me
Why not just let God pick the winner and be done with it?
I'm sorry, I mean Allah.
