How do you want your Taxes senpai?
Just evade my shit up.
https://twitter.com/br_uk/status/690170557694869504/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
>>65078312
why are argentinians shit at paying taxes?
>Mascherano's lawyer, David Aineto, has requested the automatic suspension of the one-year prison sentence and wants it to be replaced by a fine of around 21,000 euros. The prosecution has been favourable to the acceptance of this measure and the judge is likely to issue a new verdict in the coming days.
>Mascherano has also been fined €815,000. A further fine of around €21,000 likely to be issued as replacement for the prison sentence
>likely to be issued as replacement for the prison sentence
So in other words he's not going to prison?
>Mascherano has also been fined €815,000. A further fine of around €21,000 likely to be issued as replacement for the prison sentence (SPORT)
move along.
>paying your way out of prison
>the corrupt city of yurop
>>65078339
Not even near it.
>21000 euros or one year in prison
well this is tricky, which option will the mutli-millionaire choose
>>65078345
Did someone say BANE?
>>65078381
this, seems like a pretty cheap get out card, don't think it is even a day's worth of his salary
>>65078339
>famous multi-millionaire athlete
>going to prison
No.
Any 2-or-less year sentence is suspended in Spain if it's your first crime, so Maschefraudo has no probs
what's up with fc barcelona and evading taxes?
>>65078398
Wearing that mask looks painful.
>>65078470
For Poo
>>65078457
It's taxes over their marketing side jobs, Barcelona pays the player's income taxes before paying them like all clubs.
MES QUE UN CLUB
>>65078312
He's goat tho
every tax evader is my personal hero
>>65078489
How you doing Uli?
>>65078489
This.
>>65078494
enjoy paying protection money to the state
>>65078489
>>65078498
how does it feel to be 12?
>>65078536
how does it feel to be forever cucked by a corrupt organisation taking away your hard earned money?
>>65078551
>forever cucked
our tax money is what's funding the free universities (in which I studied), our free healthcare system and hospitals (which I used several times in my life) and the public transport (which I constantly use because in a massive city like Buenos Aires driving is a pain in the ass).
so yeah, I'm sorry for not being an absolutely spoiled brat and contrarian like you, but I enjoy paying my taxes and using the services they fund.
you probably think your parents are dicks, you'll grow up eventually.
>>65078551
he's probably a parasite living off that corrupt organization.
>>65078588
Joao lay off the Globo propaganda, it's really harmful for you.
>>65078569
>How does it feel to finance a shithole like argentina
I'd like to point out that I'm second generation of argentineans and my parents were born in a country that still exists.
>>65078604
Globo lives off state companies' propaganda, idiot. Tax money goes to their pockets.
>>65078584
everything's free
yet you're paying your taxes
>>65078608
I'd like to point out that the sky is blue and cold water can be very refreshing
There is literally nothing wrong with dodging taxes when you are a forign adult who didn't use the public education system and doesn't use the public healthcare system
Spain are leeching all these foreign football players
>>65078625
everything's free because we're paying our taxes, otherwise I could never have gotten in a university, have had my kidney removed and well, I probably could still use public transport but it's nice to pay nearly nothing for it, among many MANY other things.
>>65078623
Yeah that's why they take a shit on Dilma at every chance they get on orders from their Murikan overlord shareholders.
Stop being retarded.
>>65078650
>let me tell you about your country
top kek, indio, fuck off
>>65078322
>[south american corruption intensifies]
>>65078675
No arguments i see.
Go back to /pol/, covert nigger.
>>65078646
>we pay for it
>therefore it's free
I fail to see the logic in this. We're paying for hospitals, schools, transport + we're paying for an army of clerks to administer all this + we're paying for countless shady deals
>>65078702
if it wasn't for taxes you'd have to pay an insane amount of money for every single one of those things, like going to school or the hospital, but instead you don't have to, just by giving a tiny amount of money to the state.
and those aren't the only things they do with it, it's with that money that they build highways, city defense's systems, and in some cases (like ours) a tippy top communication network.
there's always a donwside to everything, in our case I'd say it's the government's media company which is funded by everyone and it's mainly used for political propaganda but whatever, they also give us free HD football.
what is it that you don't get though?
>>65078697
>U.S.shareholders boogeyman vs. objective fact that Globo receives more than R$500bi/year from state companies + anyone who occasionally watches that channel knows that they have been aggressively shilling for the government for the past 8 months
not liking Globo is another reason to not pay taxes.
>>65078751
>you'd have to pay an insane amount of money for every single one of those things, like going to school or the hospital, but instead you don't have to
I do pay for all this stuff anyway. Private healthcare > NHS healthcare
>just by giving a tiny amount of money to the state.
>tiny amount
either Argentina is some tax haven I'm unaware of or you have no idea how many taxes there are. In the UK, it's estimated that ~40% of our income goes to the government pocket
>>65078584
>free
kek they aren¡t free anon, you just pay them indirectly. And the service they offer is mostly terrible
>>65078781
I'd say it's roughly 30%, depends on a lot of things.
anyway, just kick the fucking queen out then m8, I'm pretty sure a lot of that money is going to her, isn't it?
>>65078781
nah argie taxes are brutal like 65% of your income
>>65078433
maybe in yurostan, athletes here to go jail all the time. but seems like theres less people actually getting in trouble right now than there usually is right now though.
>>65078835
i agree with this sensible lad. queeny doesn't take more than a couple of pennies a year or something though so i'm not bothered by her t b h
>>65078839
sorry 35%
>>65078702
youre right m8, get rid of the government and ill just build my own infrastructure
the tax evasion issues for players comes from the attempt to dodge income tax by receiving the money as "image rights" instead of regular salary. And the payment is given not directly to the player, but to a company which owns such image rights. Clubs and agents are accomplices of this scheme, it's a way to beat the competition offering more after-tax money. FM should included it in the game.
>>65078835
I'm pretty sure the whole royal family has enough property to generate their own money. Don't be so naive.
>>65078912
that's the point.
the queen literally owns all the land that belongs to the UK, you have to pay your landlord m8.
>>65078888
the problem is that people think that the stuff the government gives them are for free even though we all pay for them. I think people wouldn't stand corruption so much if they thought of the government money as their own.
>>65078949
except that she literally does not
Anyone else thinking it's absurd to incarcerate a man when his crime has to do with money?
Inb4 pay denbt etc
>>65078949
>the queen literally owns all the land that belongs to the UK, you have to pay your landlord m8
I bet you don't know how stupid you sound. I bet your image of Britain is based on some skakespeare dramas.
>>65078966
No. Not paying debt is pretty much stealing by the way.
>>65078902
>dodge income tax by receiving the money as "image rights" instead of regular salary. And the payment is given not directly to the player, but to a company which owns such image rights.
That can't be the reason. There's nothing illegal about putting his earnings into "Javier Mascherano LTD" if he pays corporation tax. Plenty of people use corporations to manage tax affairs.
There must be another reason.
>>65078536
I agree with you m8. These children who complain about taxes on the internet clearly don't even know who built the infrastructure in their own country that allows them to access the internet in the first place.
>>65081072
>These children who complain about taxes on the internet clearly don't even know who built the infrastructure in their own country that allows them to access the internet in the first place.
Just because someone did something doesn't mean it can't be done in a much better and more efficient way
>>65081112
>Just because someone did something doesn't mean it can't be done in a much better and more efficient way
Except it does. The private sector does not invest heavily and consistently for low returns. Even Adam Smith speaks about this in The Wealth of Nations and he's the original promoter of free markets.
>>65081147
Alright, what are some examples of things government provides that can not be completely replaced by private sector?
I'll give you the army
>>65078345
>If you are poor, you will almost never go to trial—instead you will be forced to accept a plea deal offered by government prosecutors. If you are poor, the word of the police, who are not averse to fabricating or tampering with evidence, manipulating witnesses and planting guns or drugs, will be accepted in a courtroom as if it was the word of God. If you are poor, and especially if you are of color, almost anyone who can verify your innocence will have a police record of some kind and thereby will be invalidated as a witness. If you are poor, you will be railroaded in an assembly-line production, from a town or city where there are no jobs, through the police stations, county jails and courts directly into prison. And if you are poor, because you don’t have money for adequate legal defense, you will serve sentences that are decades longer than those for equivalent crimes anywhere else in the industrialized world.
>If you are a poor person of color in America you understand this with a visceral fear. You have no chance. Being poor has become a crime. And this makes mass incarceration the most pressing civil rights issue of our era.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_mirage_of_justice_20160117
>>65078339
>a famous athlete can pay 21,000 to avoid a prison charge
must be a sweet life
>>65081218
>if you are of color, almost anyone who can verify your innocence will have a police record of some kind and thereby will be invalidated as a witness
lel
>>65081179
>Military
>Police
>Courts
>National currency
>Central Bank
>Prisons
>Roads
>Electricity
>Gas
>Sewage
etc.
If you hate the state, you can live in Somalia. The only country without one.
>>65081245
this is pretty normal in the countries around here
>>65081245
I gave you the armed forces and other than that the only tricky one might be sewage.
There are many instances of private energy companies, private roads, prisons and there is no inherent need for a unified currency.
And Somalia has actually been doing much better ever since they got rid of the government
>>65081245
>Police
not necessarily true. The Western US didn't have a strong Federal government presence for many decades early in history and they still managed to police themselves with the "sheriff" system.
Even now the Federal government does not control local police directly. (but they realllyyyy realllyyy want to take control of them)
>>65081245
>>Roads
>>Electricity
>>Gas
you can't be serious
>>65081351
>>65081378
>>65081395
>this delusion
Back to your Murray Rothbard/Hayek bullshit. Come back when you realise how the real world actually works not how things work in your theoretical paradise.
>>65081418
>post bullshit
>get called on your bullshit by 3 different people
>hurr get out of my thread
there were many instances throughout history of things you listed working perfectly fine without requiring people to give up 1/3 of their income
>>65081418
I'm not anarcho-tard or anything but having a monopoly (state or otherwise) of roads, gas or electricity is fucking stupid, a competitive system of prices is just a superior way to allocate human and material resources.
>>65081245
What is Greece?
> €21,000 fine
>is on €170,000 a week wages
hmmm
>>65078339
€21,000 probably isn't even a days wage for him yet it's enough to get him out of prison for a year what a fucking disgrace
>>65078751
I'm just going to say you're lucky Macri won cause if not Kirschner was going to follow Chavez footsteps like he followed Fidel.
This is coming from a Venezuelan who had to migrate thanks to the "glorious" socialism that bankrupted the wealthiest country in SA.
You shouldn't have to go to prison for evading taxes when the government can just give you an ultimatum, with one of the choices being: pay your taxes plus a fine.
>>65081448
No I got called out by retards who don't understand economic history. You cherry picking random shit in history doesn't mean a thing.
>>65081453
Electricity generation, transportation and other critical infrastructure are rarely built by private sector actors simply because the cost of doing so is far too high and the reward is relatively low. If the private sector deems the reward too low, it won't do it entirely. So for instance you could have entire areas which don't have roads because those roads weren't being used often enough to justify investment.
You should try to study history instead of living thought experiments.
>a competitive system of prices
What is price fixing?
Nevermind I'm speaking to a delusional libertarian.
>>65081559
>Pro Big Government
>Understand Economy
Top kek
Immigrants have ruined the UK
why do celebrities and athletes get out of this shit? if it was anyone else their ass would be thrown in jail right away. fuck the system
>>65081581
>Pro Big Government
Yes.
>Understand Economy
Yes, that's correct. The government is responsible for even things that idiots like you think were created by the private sector. Pic very related.
>Immigrants have ruined the UK
Trying this hard is just embarrassing. Immigration has nothing to do with this.
>>65081559
the main reason entrepreneurs don't invest in infrastructure in 3rd world countries is the legal barries and the high risk of being expropriated by populist governments. Most of railroad infrastructure in Argentina was built thanks to private British investors in the late XIX and early XX-century, but at later the state "nationalized" it.
why is it always barcalona with this shit?
>>65081629
No. They were originally built by Argentina and later sold to British investors in a failed "liberalisation" attempt.
>the main reason entrepreneurs don't invest in infrastructure in 3rd world countries is the legal barries
lel the red tape meme strikes again
>>65081614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmV3x7jo_QQ
this is "progress" and "enlightenment" to britfags. they believe that having entire swaths of population in the country who hate them and everything about their culture as "superior" and "cultured."
>>65081676
>get BTFO on economics
>bring up Muslims
Typical /pol/ shitposting. Don't know anything about real politics so you just go back to identity politics.
Bye, retard.
>>65081664
>Britbong thinks he knows how corruption works in south america
>>65081614
>Not displaying how much coutnless money and resources those government agencies spent on developing technology.
>Implying they profited form those inventions
Private Sector wastes less resources and makes profit (Less useless spending) and knows how to allocate resources more efficently.
>>65078842
>athletes here to go jail all the time
for tax evasion or for chimping out? there's a big difference
>>65081664
>Argentine railroad system jumps from 9 thousand km to 45kkm
>"failed" liberalization
ok.
>>65081703
>>Not displaying how much coutnless money and resources those government agencies spent on developing technology.
Precisely my point. It takes trillions to do this kind of R&D. The private sector simply doesn't do that because it's too risky. Just look at how much cash is on Apple's balance sheet. They're not going to commit hundreds of billions unless they KNOW they're going to get a return. The private sector is shit for innovation.
>Private Sector wastes less resources and makes profit (Less useless spending) and knows how to allocate resources more efficently.
>I read this in Sowell book so it must be true.
top kek goodnight gullible retard.
>>65081754
>What is Public Debt?
This is what happens when teenagers think they understand politics and economy.
They dont know shit about spending, like if money grows on trees.
>>65081754
you're basically shilling for companies that don't want to take large risks, so instead of investing in innovation they invest in lobby. Then you'll get to a point where no company ever invests in innovation, only in lobby, while the state itself produces mediocre to zero innovation -- that's called Brazil.
>>65081703
>Private Sector knows how to allocate resources more efficently.
this fucking guy. developed countries could have transitioned to renewable energies, like ten years ago if it wasn't for energy companies aggressively shilling to protect their business
>>65081820
>companies shill to the government to protect their business
>government passes legislation favouring companies
>private sector is the problem
>>65081418
>Murray Rothbard
>bullshit
baseless assertion number #91957017601
mind telling us why his economic theory is unsound? or is it because it's not aggressively liberal and therefore STUPID omg WOW dumbass conservatard.
>>65081846
I was going to give a more detail response.
But this is precisely the problem
>>65078312
Like Benzema? Or Messi? Or any other celebrity or rich person?
We live in a corrupt world, money is above the law.
>>65078842
>athletes here to go jail all the time
tell that to OJ
How awkward is it going to be when Iniesta realises that his son died and that the reason his son died is because his wife tried to have an ultrasound in a tax funded Spanish hospital only for the half asleep Spanish doctor to wake up and accidentally use salsa instead of medical gel because the hospital can't afford separate cupboards for medical supplies and post siesta snacks (which lead to several children having their cancer treatment ruined because the nurses were accidentally putting paella in their IV drips) meaning that when the doctor tried to scan his wifes stomach he thought that there was nothing coming up on the scan because of a medical complication and not because of the salsa being used instead of medical gel leading the sleepy spanish doctor to perform the typical Spanish solution and to try diving which meant he fell onto Iniestas wifes stomach then pretended to be hurt causing a massive trauma in her belly and breaking the babies half developed skull. Its going to be uncomfortable as fuck when he realises that it is the fault of Mascherano for not paying tax.
>>65081788
debt doesnt mean shit when you print your own sovereign currency dickhead
>>65082825
which generates inflation and effectively works as a tax on the poor.
>>65082825
>falling for the "we can just print more money" meme
>>65078694
>volkswagen
>>65082825
>>65083023
What grades did you get in Econ 101 last semester?
>>65081218
>crime rate dropping to its lowest level in decades, year after year
>(likely career criminals) being incarcerated in record numbers
it's a feature, not a bug. it's sad if you're born into a shit situation, but people in shit situations shouldn't be having children anyway.
>>65078476
underrated post of 2016
>>65081245
>currency
>implying the public monopoly on money isn't the greatest wealth destroyer ever
>>65081218
>If you are a poor person of color in America you understand this with a visceral fear.
I guess this explains why people of color are so careful not to commit any crimes.
>>65081820
>eveloped countries could have transitioned to renewable energies
You're just wrong. German Gov is pushing renewable energies as hard as possible. Yet only 20% of Germany's energy is generated renewable.
also this >>65081846
>>65081693
Your country is doomed
Why in the fuck does a person with this much money not pay his taxes? Would he even notice the difference in a country like Spain?
The risk-reward ratio is off the scale
>>65078312
Messi is next
>>65082515
I know this is retarded bait to begin with, but Spanish hospitals and healthcare are some of the best in the world, cetainly better than those in a post-communistic shithole like Estonia.
JUST
Hope he meets Benzema in prison
>>65083023
Which means that country cannot go bankrupt like grease
And inflation can be countered with monetary policy
I never said you should print money like madmen and give everyone a million dollars, but a bit of inflation is better than being like grease
>>65083907
Will he Kevin convert him to the muslim brotherhood?
>>65083942
Only if he makes him believe it says in the Quaran that you have to avoid taxes
Everybody must pay your taxes and still there's time!
>mes que un club
>valors
Spain are just trying to get a quick buck by probing and auditing all the football superstars
In the long term, they'll just drive them all away to EPL, and be forced to offer tax incentives to get them back.Dumb cunts
>>65078312
i guess barcelona is full of libertarians
>>65081820
>developed countries could have transitioned to renewable energies
no
to be fair Catalonia has a tax rate on rich people of 50%.. which is bullshit.
#arturmascamaradegas
>>65081245
While I wish you were right, roads in Chile were mostly made by privates, on a concession that lasts a lot of years before they go back to being state property (from where they'll likely be conceded to a private again).
Of course, the side effect is that instead of paying taxes for them, we gotta pay an expensive tariff, while our tax money is wasted in corrupt and overpaid politicians.
And not paying is not an option if you need to go outside any city, as there is no highway that isn't filed with tariff posts, it's literally a monopoly, which is why they can charge so much for using them.
It's complete shit but it was the fastest way to get investment to build them, and keeps them in top condition at least.
Electricity and Gas are managed by privates too, though government does meddle in the market, otherwise they would be scamming us even more.
You're right with your other points, things like Military, Police, the justice system or Prisons can't be managed by privates, and shouldn't in any case.
And while someone would list prisons as something that can be private, it's a horrible idea, being subjected to the market economy would prioritize sub-human living conditions to minimize costs instead of rehabilitation and reintegration into society.
>>65084439
>rehabilitation and reintegration into society.
kek Prisons don't do that, lots of those dudes are sociopaths or some kind anyway
>>65084439
>being subjected to the market economy would prioritize sub-human living conditions to minimize costs instead of rehabilitation and reintegration into society.
being subjected to the market economy would always prioritise what the consumer wants. Saying this bullshit you just spewed would be like saying "Subjecting car production to the market economy would prioritise shitty cars that don't work half of the time to minimise cost" and yet Mercedes and Porsche brands are doing fine. If private prisons would prioritise sub human living conditions to minimise cost it'd be because their customer (in this case the almighty and all loving government) prioritises it. It's not the market that's at fault, it's the customer.
>>65081676
>record outside a mosque
>surprised there's a lot of muslims
you sure showed us
>>65081744
and look at what happened after the re liberalization
Railway privatisation in Argentina was a process which began in 1993 under the presidency of Carlos Menem, following a series of neoliberal economic reforms. This primarily consisted of breaking-up the state-owned railway company Ferrocarriles Argentinos and allowing the former lines to be operated by private companies instead of the state. This policy was met with widespread criticism and proved catastrophic for the Argentine railways whose service worsened significantly in the years that followed, with entire lines closing and infrastructure deteriorating beyond repair.[1][2][3] Privatisation was ultimately reversed in 2015 with the creation of Nuevos Ferrocarriles Argentinos.[4][5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_privatisation_in_Argentina
Looks like messi will be the best... in La Liga Carcel, before he takes in the ass by the hardcore Madristas doing time in prison.
>>65086323
Man, Menem really fucked you guys over hard, and with the Kirshners y'all never had a moment to breathe.
Retards rich people do this all the time nothing new here
>>65081614
Iphone is like the GTR of phones it has smaller engine but faster
>tax evasion
>January
>>65078312
great evasion there
The biggest olympic gold medals winner for Argentina is a thief and will spend the rest of your career in jail.
Kek'D.
>>65081614
>Immigration has nothing to do with this
Are you fucking retarded?
>Country is raped in debt
>Population can't "borrow" any more
>What do immigrants have?
>No debt
>So once you bring in millions of them and give them all fuck tons of debt the government can turn around and say "hey look at our GDP grow" purely because of debt that simply can't be paid back
>So when everything fucks up and these immigrants who've been treated like royalty because our government needed third world shitskins more than they needed us unbelievably, are going to be suddenly be expected to work for a living and they fuck off or use a new identity you can't investigate because muh racism
The incredible part is you redditors actually think nothing will go wrong. Heads up, Mecca is to the East make sure you don't forget that when you're banished to your cuckshed faggot.
>>65088005
Government debt is an interest rate management tool. Any government that issues it's own currency doesn't need to issue debt unless it wants interest rates to be above 0.
The rest of your post is pure shit motivated by nothing more than an imbecilic understanding of immigration and economics.
>>65087738
>Kirchner
>bad
L
O
L
So is he going to jail or will he find a way to escape the term!?
>>65081245
Stop using Somalia as a punchline you ushanka wearing commie
>>65094426
the dude wasn't a bad president but his wife...
>>65078584
Finally someone who feels the same way I do on 4chins, what is going on here
>>65081850
you sound like Marx fanboys. Just admit a pragmatic neoliberal approach to economics is the best way to run the world. Leave it at that.
>>65078338
>a year in jail costs 21k for a footballer
Fucking hell
