Would football be more fun if big transfers weren't allowed?
What would >your team look like without gorillion transfer deals?
>>65075994
Define "big transfer"
About half of the players you posted are not originally from Ajax
>>65076140
Ajax are so beta they can't develop their own players they just buy 19 year olds from other dutch or scandinavian sides.
>Ajax fans daydreaming about holding their ex-players hostage and forcing them to play for the club against their will
Has Dutch football really gone that far downhill? Is everything OK Holland?
>>65076216
Well we can't compete with clubs funded with Russian blood money or ISIS funds, if that's what you mean.
>>65075994
>What would >your team look like without gorillion transfer deals?
Depends on how you define "big transfers", here's what the foreign team I follow because I'm a plastic fan would look like without any transfers over 20 million pounds:
-------------------Lloris---------------
Walker-Alderweireld-Vertonghen-Rose
------------------Dier------------------
----------Modric-------Eriksen------
----Lennon-------Kane-------Bale------
>>65076249
You can't even compete with Belgian and Swiss clubs at the moment. Dutch football is Poland/Turkey tier. I don't think money is your problem m8.
Can I pay players as much as I want? then nothing would change.
If I can't, football would be worse because teams would hoard talents and loan them to shit teams: imagine Chelsea but 10-15 clubs doing it.
>>65076249
When you treat your players like shit, no wonder they fuck off to bigger leagues rather than playing clubs like Nijmegen, ADO Den Hag and other shit holes
>>65076281
How is it not a problem? If >we could afford to splash 80M on some 19 year old kid, I'm pretty sure we'd faring a lot better internationally than we are now.
I'll admit that youth development, especially at Ajax, has been... less than optimal for some time now though. Focussing way too much on >philosophy instead of getting results.
>>65076331
Those places are definitely shitholes, but how exactly do we treat players worse than clubs abroad do?
>>65076351
Take Boilesen as an example. Genoa were ready to buy him and he then refused to sign a new contract with Ajax last summer. Transfer went south and Boilesen, captain at the time, was degraded to the second team and wasn't allowed to even eat breakfast with the first team. Afterwards he has been pictured as a greedy bastard, when this is not the case. He wanted to play football in a new league and Genoa offered to buy him. As far as I know, Genoa aren't funded by neither Russian blood money nor ISIS funds, so his move wasn't because of the money, but because of the chance of playing in a bigger league at a higher level
>>65076402
Missing in this story:
>Why did the transfer of Boilesen go south?
>Was his handing in a transfer request the only reason of upsetting the club?
>How did he behave when his transfer fell through?
It's easy to pick a side in this story, but there could be a damn good reason why he was put aside like that.
>>65076402
No, this is wrong on several points. Boilesen was told 3 years in advance that if he wouldn't sign a new contract, he wouldn't be allowed to play in his final contract year. With Ajax' reasoning being that he wouldn't contribute to the development of the team and they wouldn't get any return on investment on having sunk time and money in training and developing him, if he would just walk out when his contracted ends.
Cue the final year of his contract, he wants to leave, but refuses a transfer to Genoa due to salary demands, Ajax then offers him a contract at the club's salary cap, which he also refuses. All the while he's been complete shit the entire season.
You can critique Ajax' position, but I think it's justified if you look at the number of times Ajax has been fucked on transfer deals way below market value. Truth of the matter is, Boilesen knew 3 years ahead of time what would happen if he wouldn't sign a new contract and he still choose to take the gamble, completely his own fault if you ask me.
>>65076257
i'll take you to the lane one day senpai, incredible atmosphere especially this season
>>65076257
Wonder what City or Man U would look like if they didn't get to make big transfers. Guessing City would be down in League 1 or something
Dinamo Zagreb would be one of the Europe giants 2bh
>>65075994
>hurrdurr football would be more fun if players were slaves and weren't ever allowed to pursue better career opportunities
fuck off
>My less-rich club would be doing better if I could force players to accept contract where they play for peanuts
>>65076249
Your schoolkids couldn't even beat Rapid in the CL quali, maybe you should stop shooting yourself in the foot by fielding a starting XI with an average age of 22.
>>65078485
agreed, but the worst part is that we're still on top of the league
>>65075994
I'm going to ignore what you said and instead just assemble the best Pompey XI I can think of
Yes that's right, once upon a time all these top-tier players played for Portsmouth.
>>65076257
>lennon
>>65075994
>implying Suárez and Zlatan are Ajax products
All other players on that image are absoulte garbage
>>65075994
Most of these players were a product of other academies. Ajax buys talent from small Dutch/Belgian teams, EPL/Madrid buy talent from Ajax. It's the same shit.
I used to like Ajax as a club but I'm starting to fucking hate their fanbase with their self righteous, holier than thou "money is bad" attitude
>>65075994
my team has never made a big transfer in the entire history of its existence
An example
>>65079009
These 3 argies were formed in Argentine clubs
The very only Argentine player that hasn't been former here is Messi
>>65079043
Get Lisandro Lopez (the CB) back and teach him he's not in South America anymore, then
>>65079066
He's a total 'literally who' here
>>65079080
That's why you don't form shit.
(but yeah, at best he can be a poor man's David Luiz; and only has started playing now because Luisão got seriously injured)
>>65075994
>buy players from smaller clubs
>get upset when bigger clubs buy that player from you
>>65079009
shit, I completely forgot Di Maria
>>65078395
this, it's like saying people should stay in the company that gave them their first job
>>65079129
Nacional is a bigger club than every single English one, show some respect lad
>>65079043
it's funny how some Europeans fans don't want barca real man city etc to take their talents even though their club got a good part of their players from other clubs and academies.
>>65078395
Are Brits literally retarded? I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.
Well, Pogba, Pique and Shawcross would still be playing for Man Utd.
>>65078688
Literally who FC
The 6+5 rule would be pretty good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6%2B5_rule
>At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least six players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.
>>65079702
>>65079759
>i dont know what to say so i'll just bring up something totally irrelevant
>>65079720
Would be good, would also dilute the quality of almost any relevant league though.Like, in the EPL, City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs would obviously hoover up all the best British talent, where does that leave the rest of the league?Are there even 30 British players good enough to start for those teams?You'd be getting League One standard players in the teams at the bottom of the PL.I'm not trolling, it's not like "Hurr, all British players are shit kek", I'm just using them as an example, could apply it to almost any nation.
Also, could be wrong but I think EU law might prevent it from happening.
>yfw even with only players from their youth teams Barça today would be pretty kickass
>>65079845
Sorry, forgot pic
>>65076140
blind and sneijder are the only ones who are actually from the youth academy, the others have all been bought
>>65079873
I said gorillion €€€ transfers, small ones like under about 10 million should be okay.
>>65079853
>Fabregas as striker
>Sergi Roberto as right back
did u just throw this together or are you just an idiot?
>>65079934
Sergi is a pretty good as a full back senpai
>>65079934
>he doesn't know sergi can play any and every position
>>65079934
>he doesn't watch football and still wants to give his opinion
>>65079934
Cesc played as a false striker during parts of his time with Barcelona and Spain.
Sergi struck good form spelling an injured Alves at right back earlier this season, such that he's worked his way into the rotation for midfield and winger/fullback spots.
>>65079934
>kermit.jpg
Oh dear...
The defence is still good though
>>65079180
It's not funny, it's absurd and I don't see how can people not see it.
>>65080022
not crazy about Morata?
>football will never have NFL-style parity
Sucks desu
>>65079798
Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of me laughing
>>65075994
No vdv :/
>>65080043
NFL style parity just makes legal slaves of the players and has an artificial shroud of parity, it's nothing special and really does nothing to ensure true competition
The MLB is a free market and they have more parity than any other sport in the US
>>65080038
>n-no w-why would I be?
Just forgot him, would actually love to see him back in Madrid
>>65080043
You need a closed "ecosystem" of 20-32 teams for something like that to work. There are simply too many different leagues, tiers, teams and competitions in football to even think about introducing anything like that
>>65080045
Me neither senpai
>>65080076
>mfw NHL owners' dream is NFL-style parity and non-guaranteed contracts
>>65079934
Adding to what everyone already said: Cesc is a pretty lethal striker when he has the chance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjXo9pOY1G0
5:11 to 6:05
6:42 to 7:01
8:03 to 8:25
11:18 to 12:00
13:55 to 14:15
It was either that or Tello-Messi-Pedro or Pedro-Bojan Krkic-Messi. You tell me.
>>65080099
Yes I'm aware, thats why I clearly stated that we'll never have it. I'm glad you got to post and make yourself feel good for understanding the issue though.
>>65080038
Probably because he's actually really shit
>>65079982
False striker or false 9 isn't the same as a striker, and messi also played that role usually with guardiola and tito better than cesc. Not saying he is bad at that role, only that he is better used on the xavi/iniesta role.
>>65079853
You can add to that line up:
Rafinha
Thiago
Tello
Deulofeu
Adama
Bojan
Icardi
Jonathan Soriano
Nolito
Arteta
Reina
and i'm sure I left a lot behind...
>>65075994
Imagine if the Dutch league didn't have to sell all its best players. You could have a team comprised entirely of the best players Holland has to offer. Could anyone stop them?
>>65080105
OH MY GOD THE EUROS, YOU WON THE FUCKING EUROS, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IS BETTER THAN A WORLD CUP
No wait it isn't
>>65080138
You didn't clearly state anything. You just said it sucked and someone explained it for you
Congrats on being a retard and butthurt
Fuck you
>>65080185
>a world cup won in NINETEEN SIXTY SIX has a value these days
LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH
>>65080022
Just canteranos
>>65080144
I get it and do agree pham; just that the diagram said nothing about the particular role/style a player can perform in a given position.
>>65080156
Rafinha was earning more minutes at the time of his blown-up knee
>>65080144
>Tello
>Adama
>Not mentioning Afellel
>Not mentioning Iskek Cuenca
>>65080196
Why would i clearly state it will never have NFL-style parity if I didn't already know that it couldn't have it?
I would have said something like "Why can't it".
Congrats on giving me a (You) and embarrassing yourself.
>>65076579
I'm planning to come this season but apparently it's hard getting tickets without the one Spurs membership.
Plus I will have to go alone.
>>65080203
Fine I'll just cut to the chase, if you are the guy that originally asked about my team being a literal who team
I support my local team, and I'm glad that I do. Thankfully I'm not as pathetic as you Dutch seem to be, posting generals about Man City, bandwagonning a team that isn't even in your own COUNTRY.
Truly pathetic.
>>65080225
Someone clarified why
They weren't reprimanding you or anything. They were just being helpful to yourself and others
I could beat you up if I wanted to, but I won't
Consider yourself lucky
>>65079699
Pique is a Barca product
>>65080265
What the fuck? Did you even look at the OP pic?
I don't support any of your blood money clubs, I'm a proud owner of an Ajax seasonticket. Sure, I do watch the occasional derby match, but I would never call myself a fan.
>>65080209
I thought I was in the Eurocup thread
>>65080220
Afellay isn't from la masia, he was signed from PSV. Same as Denis Suarez, from Celta de Vigo and Cuenca from Sabadell (I'm not sure about this one, have to look it up)
Didn't put aleix vidal on that list because despise nobi and co. claims he is from la masia, he only tried there for a season and got discarded
>>65080297
a fan of a bpl team*
>>65080290
BIG
STRONG
AMERICAN
>>65080308
Well then you should understand supporting your local team shouldn't you
Assuming you're from Amsterdam
>>65080302
But weren't they signed for under €10m? Can't be bothered to check
>>65080352
When did I say supporting your local team is a bad thing?
>>65080355
Shit yes.Sorry,forgot about the topic, though that we were talking about players brought only by the youth sistem
>>65080355
Yeah, 3 million or something.
Do people actually rate him? He literally disappeared after he transfered to Barca.
Serves him right desu, he's one hell of a cunt.
>>65075994
Face it mate, you're a feeder club
>>65080464
Hello, please read this post >>65079686
>>65080400
Afellay? He showed some promise there but was injured half of the time and Pedro was actually good back then so there was no way he could start.
He still had a crucial assist in that CL semi in Madrid
>>65075994
>Ajax buy prospect in Belgium, Netherland and Scandinavia
>Ajax sell them to Tottenham
>Tottenham sell the best ones to Real Madrid
It's a global value chain
This thread is retarded, how big a transfer is is relative to the club. For Ajax the ammount paid for Ibra might have been small, but for Malmoe must have been a big transfer for the time, the same applies the other way between Ajax and Juve.You either go full youth system or it doesnt make any sense
>>65080488
>You know remember when people said that him and bojan were the future of the barça
>>65080523
I remember people saying he was going to be a future ballon d'or winner here.
>>65080523
Bojan looked like a legit future superstar in 07-10 though. Shame
>>65080523
>You now remember when people said that Neymar and Sergi Roberto was the future of Barça
What went wrong lads?
>>65080582
>You now remember when people said that Neymar and Sergi Roberto was the future of Barça
>What went absolutely right lads?
ftfy
>>65079896
any transfer of any amount should be okay, thats how clubs develop and get better
>>65075994
this team would beat the shit out of your team
>>65081936
Apart from Remy its still a pretty shit squad 2bh with you lad
>>65078385
This
>>65082044
>Wijnaldum
>Cabella
>Ben Arfa
>Sissoko
>shit
Ajax fans on pooicide watch.
-------------------Lloris---------------
Walker-Alderweireld-Vertonghen-Rose
----------Modric-------Dier------
------------------Dembele---------------
----Bale---------------------Eriksen----
--------------------Kane------------------
Rate River Plate's all youth teams squad senpai
>just fuck my lack of decent RBs up
team with players that play in dinamo and still play professionally
subs: pjaca, halilovic, kramaric, badelj, coric, henriguez
Alisson Becker
Ernando
Juan Jesus
Rodrigo Moledo
William
Rodrigo Dourado
Charles Aranguiz
Andres D'Alessandro
Oscar
Taison
Luiz Adriano
>>65081163
Is it now.
Tell me more.
>>65082349
>starting Lamela over Andres
other than that its awesome
>>65078710
Tottenham's other options on the right wing over the last few years are Lamela (30 million), Son (22 million), and Townsend (shit). I guess you could put Chadli in there, but I'd rather have prime Lennon desu.
>>65076257
>>65082303
That team would win the league desu
>>65080076
>legal slaves of the players
They are free to leave the NFL at any time, and make millions. You are a colossal idiot to compare that in any way to slavery
>>65080099
>You need a closed "ecosystem" of 20-32 teams for something like that to work.
Why not take the best/biggest/richest 20-32 clubs in Europe and form a league around them? Club soccer would be instantly better.
>>65078688
>>65079702
literally harry redknapp XI
>>65076249
I really think this was funny.
good job holland bro
still the same desu, i support MVV :^)
Lyon academy i great too
Lopes
Zeffan-Gonalons-Umtiti
-------------Tolisso
----Grenier---------Fekir
-------------Ben Arfa
Martial-Benzema-Lacazette
bench: Loic remy, N'jie, benzia, plea,Mounier,pied, ferri , balhouli
>>65076257
>Didn't sell Bale or Modric
>Affording Eriksen and Alderweireld
