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Players that fans say will go to the hall of fame but won't ever go to the hall of fame.
>NFL only
>>65067500
Because rape? Or because not good enough?
>>65067524
Not good enough.
Brady will never get in. He will be like Barry Bonds. Was probably a great quarterback but we will never know with all of the cheating scandals.
Tony Romo
Dez Bryant
Calvin Johnson
Drew Brees
>>65067552
Tom Brady will get into the HOF. There's a big difference in terms of personality. Some people may think he's tainted because of allegations of cheating but he's an overall likable guy. Barry Bonds was hated by a lot of sports writers for his involvement with the steroid scandal, and breaking Hank Aaron's "sacred" record.
>>65067544
I agree he's no where near a GOAT. but multiple owl wins usually at least gives you a chance. Especially when they involve clutch game winning drives people remember. Worse players are probably in the hof
>>65067524
>implying rape isn't a big factor
>>65067552
What shit team do you follow and how did Brady embarrass them?
>>65067617
Yea, but they won SB 40 in spite of him, not because (22.6 rating). And plenty of QBs have been clutch in the SB, but no entries.
>>65067611
>Tom Brady
>likable guy
His own teammates won't high five him except elilman, and that's only because he would be worthless on any other team. Fucker yells at everybody as if they were playing for him instead of with him. He's a self absorbed douche
>>65067565
Breesy is a lock for the HOF desu.
>>65067565
Drew Brees will get in on the second ballot on the sole fact that he brought a championship to a broken city
>>65067672
Even though this guy is an aids rapist, he's right
>>65067565
>>65067552
If Elway gets in Brady surely will. The cheating his team did was far worse than 2 psi less than regulation.
>>65067565
how dare you put Breez with those losers
>>65067650
I agree with you. I don't think he should be in either. I just wouldn't be surprised if he makes it in
>>65067686
barring injury he'll take Peyton's yardage record in 2 seasons and the TD record may be in jeopardy in 3 seasons
>>65067552
How did that not break his forearm......fuck
Eli Manning shouldn't get in, but he probably will due to New York market bias.
>>65067695
Disgusting
>>65067714
Yep. So long as breesy's arm holds up, and the management doesnt give up on him. And the fans.
But i swear the fans are toxic as fuck, there were so many people calling him out as the reason why we are so bad this year. And he had a fucking career year with a game short on the rest of the starting QBs.
>>65067671
>>65067671
Likable by sports writers. They are the ones who vote for players in the HOF not his team mates.
>>65067647
falling for that shit-tier bait
Big Ben is easily a HoFer.
OP is clearly a bungkeks fan.
>>65067729
I don't get it. Nor do I get why people wanted Sean Payton to go. He's never controlled the defense, that's why he hired Rob Ryan in the first place. I think the defense was starting to improve towards the end so if they have a good draft we could make the playoffs next year.
Brian Urlacher
Dick Vermeil
Jerome Brown
Randall Cunningham
Hershel Walker
Sebastian Janikowski
Stephen Gostkowski
Adam Vinatieri
>>65067714
How many seasons do you think he has left? He's 37.
Drew is 11308 away from breaking Peyton's record.
He'd have to eclipse the NFL single season record for passing yards, twice.
And the TD record is below his average of 36.75 since 2008, which is his highest point of his career that he would need (37) to break it in 3 years.
Brees is a HOFer, but all time records are probably way too much for him.
>>65067837
Urlacher - 3+ year ballot.
Vermeil - nobody says he should.
Brown - nobody says he should.
Cunningham - nobody says he should.
Walker - nobody says he should.
>lol kickers
>>65067800
Vikings, nigger.
If our kicker wasn't autistic, people would have made a much, much, much bigger deal about the J. Hill fumble.
>>65067802
Yeah im cautiosly optimistic. We do need a sub for Colston. Brandon Coleman is a good dude, he is even taller than Colston.
Draft well, get the defense a bit more settled. (Make it at least top 20, lol, not dead fucking last, leave that shit to the Gints) And we are a playoff contender.
>>65067800
>never considered an MVP or OPOY candidate
>never even named either first or second team all pro
He's never getting in
>>65067899
Two Owls will get you in pretty consistently, even though he played mediocre in them.
>>65067883
>If our QB wasn't autistic, people would have made a much, much, much bigger deal about the J. Hill fumble.
ftfy
>>65067924
It's the HOF not the hall of pretty good. No one is going to be telling their kids or grandkids about watching Ben Roethlisberger play
>>65067934
HOF voters care more about rings than performance. There's a bunch of shitty Steelers from the 70's teams in the HOF who got in on rings alone.
>>65067871
Urlacher won't get in 1st ballot because of Ray Lewis. Jason Taylor is getting in the next year, after that Urlacher may get in but if he doesn't it's going to be a Marvin Harrison situation where he waits 10 years before being given his due.
>>65067851
well, let's say he finishes with 70,000 yards & 490 TDs
that's still all-time numbers right there. Plus he has a ring, one that he personally earned (as opposed to Russell Wilson's ring)
Worthlessburger is a lock for HoF. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking moron. Look at the QBs in the Hall. You can find a dozen that Rofls shits on.
>>65068020
>>65068064
they were already up by 7 points, that was icing on the cake
what I was saying is that he's never been able to be carried by a defense, he's always been the engine of the team
![dameshekcontrap[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xlhc9Sp.jpg "dameshekcontrap[1].jpg")
>>65067617
>>65067650
>>65067697
if you ask dave dameshek he's top 3 qb of all times and should be inducted in the hall of fame right now he's so good.
that kike pleb sure knows football
>>65068064
> 1 defensive score
Seattle had a pick 6, 2 ints, 2 fumble recoveries, and a kick 6. You are fucking kidding if you are even comparing the Saints defense to the Seahawks those 2 years.
>>65067552
>all of the cheating scandals
The underweight footballs in a 45-7 win, and the sideline filming 10 years earlier that was obviously Belichick's thing?
>>65068228
Not to mention the rules violation for filming was only about 20 yards away from legal, and that half the league was also guilty of the practice.
>>65068118
>>65068200
I know that but that play was a huge swing in momentum for that game. Obviously Drew Brees and his offense had a much bigger impact on the game than Wilson did but if that play doesn't happen, then who knows if the Saints continue to win that shoot out.
>>65067837
Urlacher and Vinatieri will get in.
>>65068267
Momentum shift or not you literally can't compare the two.
The Seahawks Defense alone scored more points than the entire Broncos team. Hell the Special Teams scored more than the entire Broncos did that game. Russell Wilson could have been a complete non factor. Without Brees though the Saints would be lost.
>>65068267
All i"m saying is that he's no defense babby
James Harrison really deserves it, but he won't get in.
John Lynch
Mike Alstott
Terrell Davis
Dallas Clark
>>65068422
I think he has a shot. Heart and soul of that Pittsburgh linebacker core that won multiple SB's and has a memorable Super Bowl moment. Troy P. is a lock.
>>65067693
yeah and let's just forget about the videotaping, the mysterious communication equipment 'issues' road teams face in Foxboro and the fact that numerous teams feel the need to take extra security precautions when playing there...
![comment_4PfkrR3xomRFa5iyZGomK29eyIu1pyzS[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/GsvK8l3.gif "comment_4PfkrR3xomRFa5iyZGomK29eyIu1pyzS[1].gif")
>>65068470
>Terrell Davis
>>65068498
LOL james harrison is not hall of fame caliber
People on /sp/ constantly amaze me thinking that just cause a guy had a really good career he is HOF worthy
Harrison was good but nowhere near the career resume needed to be a HOF lock
Polamalu had a chance until injuries fucked up his career
He was a joke the last 3 or 4 years and was a liability in coverage
Ed Reed, the best FS of his generation, will get in. Harrison has 0% chance. Polamalu will be mentioned but never voted in.
This poor bastard should at least get the chance to play a Super Bowl, if not win it.
>>65068522
Are you really this much of an idiot?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/14/sundays-game-featured-several-communications-issues/
"There were several headset communications issues around the stadiums as normal"
NORMAL
You realize that an NFL stadium has like 80,000 people all on their cell phones, raping the internet there. Not to mention all the bluetooth devices, cameras, who the fuck knows what else, broadcast equipment. The fucking SB a few years ago had a huge power outage. There is always technology issues in these types of settings. Stop being a faggot conspiracy theorist
The pats don't cheat you faggot nigger they are in the AFCCG for the 9th fucking time in 15 years just face it, Brady and Belichek are the GOAT combo of 2000-2020
>>65068570
>>65068617
I assume he's talking about spygate. You remember when the NFL took away draft picks and fined them for that?
>>65068641
That was an amazing play, to be sure, but one play doesn't a hall of fame make. Ever heard of Larry Brown?
He was the SB MVP in like 95 when Steelers played the Cowboys. He had 2 easy as fuck pick 6's throw right to him. He was MVP. Then he goes and signs a huge FA contract with Oakland, and became a bust.
Big performances on the biggest stages only CEMENT your legacy if you're on the fence about HOF, they don't automatically make you HOF worthy.
Eli Manning has 2 rings but won't get in because the rest of his career is a turnover prone inonsistent mess. If ELI is great during regular season then eleveates his play in the SB then he'd have a chance. But you don't only look at SB plays when evaluating HOF
Niggers on /sp/ do not fucking realize how many good players aren't in the HoF cause NFL actually does it right and only allows a small pool getting in
not like BS MLB were its stupid as fuck
>>65068617
go to bed Ernie
>>65068332
Except my original post was about how the defense helped him seal that win. That's it. I never said that Drew Brees performance on that stage was comparable to Wilson's. I merely posted that picture to show that Brees had help from his offense to win the Super Bowl. If that interception and pick six don't happen, who knows it the Saints win that Super Bowl.
>>65068522
youre just listening to the media hype.
everyone cheats. the patriots just do it better, and are punished harder for it. they literally just lost a first round draft pick for breaking the rules "more probable than not".
The raiders used to go by the mantra "cheating is encouraged"
but no. only the pats cheat and every superbowl they have is tainted with ****
>>65067800
cam will get in before ben
>>65068690
I think you're forgetting that Harrison went to 5 Pro Bowls and Larry Brown didn't go to any. Harrison was also a fundamental part of two Super Bowl teams.
>>65068605
i bet youre voting for bernie
>>65068664
The NFL fined Sean Payton a year's salary and banned him for a season because of "Bountygate". Everyone knows that was bullshit, players on defense usually play dirty and fuck each other up, it's nothing new and every team does it. NFL just trying to act hard to appease the jew owners
Every single thing the NFL does it to make more money for the jew owners. The kike federation is pissed the patriots have been able to beat the system consistently for almost 2 decades. They want parity. They are jealous of the patriots.
As for "spygate", lets just state facts:
1. Every team is allowed to, and does, film the other teams' defensive signals
2. This is allowed and accepted and a common practice of the game
3. Belichic thought he found a loophole and placed his camera men in a different position than was allowed
4. League sends out a memo saying don't do that
5. Fine the patriots and make an example out of them, pats go on rampage in 2007 and almost win the owl
other facts:
1. Guy who said patriots filmed Rams walkthru was lying and this is comfirmed as fake
2. Everyone bitched about the pats cheating in 2007
>patriots immidiately go undefeated in the regular season and are a fluke catch away from best season ever
3. Faggot colts and nigger ravens complain about Patriots in 2015 playoffs
>Brady has better stats after balls got switched, deflation of balls explained by science
4. People say pats deflated balls
>pats have another amazing regular season, dont fumble often, dont turn ball over, brady has great stats again
So we have established that it's literally just butthurt owners, belichiek having hubris enough to defy the league, etc
they dont fucking cheat. if you read anything other than ESPN (joke of a company) you would know this to be true
>>65067851
He could break the yardage record. 3 more years at 4,000 yards a piece is very possible
>>65068709
*defense
>>65068715
just to compare.
the saints were paying players to put hits on other players. Disgusting bullshit much worse than cheating, especially deflating balls.
For it they lost their head coach for a year, GM for 8 games, and asst. coach for 6 games. They also lost two 2nd round picks, and 500,000.
Now the Patriots deflate balls. allegedly. for it they were charged their goat qb for 4 games, $1,000,000 and a FIRST round pick. again, for deflating balls. thank god brady took that piece of shit goodell to court
im not even a pats fan. im just not a fool
>>65068778
5 pro bowls doesn't mean a fucking thing
it's all about being an all-pro, and consistent at that.
you have to be UNDOUBTABLY one of the best 1 or 2 players of your era, at the position, to get in.
those teams had great players in many positions, its not like james harrison was far and away the best player leading the team. he wasnt even the best LB in his division while he player (T Suggs is dirty but better)
please learn some historical perspective
>>65068699
Nice response faggot. Literally the entire league has headset issues cause of unreliable technology. Have you tried to use bluetooth on a new car these days? Or fix a wifi system for thousands of users? Technology is never 100% flawless and shit happens in huge ass stadiums
its been confirmed steelers had problems in their own stadium too. but i guess you can ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative
>players with bad stats wont get in just because of rings
Ladies and gentlemen I give you Terry Bradshaw. Over his illustrious career he managed to throw 2 more tds than interceptions, had a year in which he threw 6 td to 24 int and had a completion percentage of 38% in just 8 games, and only threw for more than 3,000 yards two seasons out of 14.
Hes in the hall of fame.
>>65068930
It was a totally different era. defenses could mug and destroy opposing WR. there was no illegal hit to the head. there are no roughing the QB. there was no 5 yard contact zone.
Bradshaw didn't get in because he lucked his way onto a good team, he was actually a very good player for the steelers
you can't argue with FOUR fucking rings dude. it's not like a fluke ring like trent dilfer had in 2000. it's a team sport. he was playing on a great team. Go watch film from him vs the raiders. He takes hits, stands in there, scrambles in the pocket, and makes great deep throws
you can't just look at the stats of that era dude
you realize in the modern NFL, shitty QB like matt fucking stafford and blake bortles can throw for 4,500-5,000 yards and 35 touchdowns easily, right? thats why you cant look at stats alone, you gotta look at relative to the other players in the league
at that time nobody was posting huge offensive numbers as QB for prolonged periods of time
Bradshaw is certainly not a top 5 QB of all time (Brady, Montana, Young, PeyPey, Starr, Unitas) are all better players. But hall of fame worthy? Yes.
please learn wtf you're talking about before hurp derping about the fucking stats
go back to fantasy football nigger
>>65068930
i think markets matter a lot, too. He played for the Steelers, a premium organization with lots of fans, so of course he gets into the Hall of Fame. Same thing with Broadway Joe, who was nothing special in terms of stats.
If Larry Fitzgerald played in New York he'd already be on the ballot. Just look at how much attention they give OBJ
>>65069038
>>65068841
>>65068832
>>65068787
>>65068715
confirmed for getting their sports news from non-espn sources. its amazing what not being a biased media babby can teach you about the world of sports
>>65068841
Look at someone like Jerome Bettis. If you look at his page on the HOF website it lists his 6 Pro Bowls, even though he only made All Pro twice in his career. He wasn't the best RB or even close to that during his career. You don't have to necessarily be the best to get into the HOF. You just have to have enough to impress sportswriters who will vote you in. Maybe you should learn how players actually get selected into the HOF.
>>65069145
Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
Only players remotely as good: Ladanian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk. They got in too. Argument invalid
RB also have a short AF shelf life due to the hits they take. Bettis had some really great seasons. He had a great career. He was definitely top 2 or 3 at his position when he played, and hes like 10th or something on all time rushing list
he's got a worthy resume for sure.
>>65069040
this
terrell davis would already be in if he'd played in a big market team
literally all the deserving kickers and punters
fuck all the faggots that don't give a shit about special teams. hester should be in too.
Dawkins probably won't get in, he should though
>>65069343
this
Kickers and punters are second and third only to the quarterback in terms of individual responsibility for the team's success. They win (and lose) Super Bowls.
>>65069038
Yeah a 6 td, 24 int, 38% comp season is because of the rules LOL.
Yeah the rules benefit players more now but the defenses are way more athletic. Yeah youre right shitty qbs throw for more yards now maybe its because theyre better. If Bradshaw played nowadays he wouldnt even make a roster. That fact that a player like Matt Schaub can throw for 4000 yards and Bradshaw cant is enbarassing.
But that wasnt my argument. Some of you guys were saying players like Eli and Ben wont make it because even though they have the rings they dont have the stats. My argument was that Bradshaw got in because of rings even with embarassingly bad stats. Even for the time his stats were really shitty. Bradshaw was a shitty qb on an all time great team.
>>65069523
Nobody said Eli won't get in. He shouldn't but he will based on 2 rings and the New York market.
Bradshaw shouldn't be in the Hall based on his QB play either, maybe his after playing career with his work in broadcasting but definately not his playing career.
>>65069343
Vinatieri will be in
>>65069186
>Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
hahahaha what the fuck are you on he averaged more than 4 yards a carry twice in his entire fucking career. Bettis is a perfect example of how you can get in the HoF no matter how average you actually were as long as the media loves you and you play for a big time team.
>>65069707
>le Bus XD
>he is le fat and le runs people over XDD
I never got it
>>65069186
>Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
>>65069751
i thought this whole time he was a 12 year old trying to sound like some grizzled NFL expert and that sealed it. I guarantee he wasn't even alive for the majority of Bettis's career
>>65067951
This is true, that's why fucking Aikman is in the HOF.
>Career average of barely 220 YPG
>6.5 YPA
>Never went above 3500 Yards in a season
Dude was the original game manager.
>>65069836
>TD/Int %
>165/141 Through career
>Season average of 70.1 TD:Int %
Jesus fucking christ.
He was first ballot, too. he was the original o-line/wr/hb babby.
>Smith
>Irvin
>GWOD
what a fucking shitter.
>>65069707
it's called the "hall of fame" and not the "hall of objectively the best players" for a reason. more than just stats and owl wins are taken into consideration.
>>65069186
>Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
>>65069186
Did you even watch Bettis play at all? Bettis was never top 3 in the league. Did you even watch football before 2000. He never lead the league in rushing and no one ever said Bettis is a top RB. He was a good RB early on but he was never better than guys like Smith, Davis, Martin, Sanders, etc in the 90s, and he was no where near as good as someone like Faulk or LT. He mainly got in because he stayed with the Steelers for one more season, and retired when after they won the Super Bowl. You might want to get some historical perspective dumbass.
>>65069936
can't wait for greg hardy and ray rice to take their rightful HoF spots then
>>65070267
Except the media hates those two guys.
>>65070267
You seem confused about the difference between fame and infamy. The things those two are well known for are exactly why they would never make the HoF even if they were the undisputed GOATs at their positions.
So why do sports writers determine who gets into the various halls of fame?
>>65067552
>Brady will never get in.
I will entertain the possibility that Brady might not be a unanimous pick, but there is literally no way he's not in the HoF in a first year ballot.
>>65070421
It's stupid, because if the sportswriter has a grudge against the player they'll vote against him. For example, someone like Marshawn Lynch (just as an example) would get fucked over in the process because of the "I'm just here so I don't get fined" thing.
>>65070400
>its the hall of fame except when i don't like what they're famous for
please kill yourself or take your retardation back to the NFL's official facebook page and comment there
Who are sure fire hall of famers playing right now in the nfl?
>>65070511
You're an idiot. Nobody is fucking mad about that shit. Nobody has been left out of a hall of fame over a fucking grudge.
>>65070511
There's really no perfect way to do it, though. It would be the same thing, but probably worse, with players and coaches and the general public would just be a complete joke. Members of the sports media generally have above average knowledge of the game and its players (not always) and are more likely to be objective than other potential groups (once again not always)
>>65067596
Rodgers is a lock.
>>65070421
who else would do it? if you let former players do it they'll just vote in their teammates because they were well liked and you'd get people like Jared Allen being first ballot HoF
>>65070576
And it's not just any asshole writing a column, you have to be in good standing and have a real long career in most cases.
>>65070561
Who is Pete Rose?
>>65070546
>I'm autistic and can't tell the difference between being famous for good and bad things
>>65070614
An autistic answer that misses the point of the post completely.
>>65070549
Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Eli
Calvin
Fitz
Witten
Gates
Joe Thomas
Revis
thats off the top of my head
>Troy Aikman is in the HOF
>people actually think Roethlisberger and Brees won't get in
the WRs that are currently playing that people love are going to have a much harder time getting in than the QBs will.
>>65070658
>Brady, Rodgers, Manning
Okay
>Eli
No
>Calvin
Maybe
>Witten
No
>Gates
See above, if Witten isn't getting in, Gates isn't
>Joe Thomas
No modern era Brown's players will get in unless they had lucrative and successful careers before or after playing for the Browns
>Revis
Eh, it's close but I'll go for it.
>>65070639
wow you're actually so retarded that you thought that i didn't understand the difference between what they're famous for. thats not the point dipshit its either a hall of fame or a hall of the best players. you can't have both and you can't pick and choose what type of fame gets you in if its the former. which is why its not actually a hall of fame and you can take that stupid line that gets repeated whenever the voters fuck up by letting shitty players in and go back to the espn comments section where you belong
>>65070695
Wow you know literally nothing about football and probably can't even name a single player for 90% of teams in the NFL besides their QB
>>65070643
How so? Pete Rose isn't in the HoF because MLB is holding a grudge.
>>65070769
>>65070658
and i forgot Gronk
>>65067565
You don't think megatron will make it? Maybe not first ballot but still
>>65070658
Barring an unforeseen career ending injury you can add Gronk to the list.
>>65069105
>Being this retarded.
>>65070769
>My shitty opinion is called out for being shitty
>"I'll call him retarded"
You literally named a bunch of marquee players and QBs and I'm the retard?
Go kill yourself.
>>65070576
That's true. But sometimes you read stuff from these guys like Peter King and you're just thinking "why does this idiot call himself a journalist? Why is he part of the AP?"
>>65068267
>momentum swing means you are carried by a defense
Also, Brees put up some crazy stats that year
>>65070807
In 50 years when the rest of the WR's get cleared out of the way.
Moss/Owens are going to be sitting and waiting for a long fucking time.
>>65070747
>you can't have it both
except you can because that's exactly what the HoF is you fucking retard
>>65070695
>best WR and LT of the era
>HURR MAYBE
You're dumb and don't bother discussing football.
>>65070823
your opinion is retarded because its retarded. if you think Megatron is a "maybe" Revis is anything other than a first ballot unanimous HoF and Witten and Gates aren't getting in and a at worst top 3 LT for the past 10 years ins't getting in because of the team he plays for you're objectively a retard and your opinion is worthless
>>65070856
and thats why the hall of fame sucks since it lets shitty players like bettis in
>>65070549
Definite:
>Brady
>Pey-Pey
>Gronk
>Larry Fitzgerald
>Dez Bryant
>JJ Watt
>Calvin Johnson
>Vince Wilfork
>Darelle Revis
>Richard Sherman
>Marshawn Lynch
Possible, but too early to tell:
>Antonio Brown
>OBJ
>Cam Newton
>Russel Wilson
>Julian Edelman
>Jordy Nelson
>Eddie Lacey
>Chandler Jones
Dark horse candidates
>Wes Welker
>Phil Rivers
>Tony Romo
>Danny Amendola
>Malcolm Butler
>Carson Palmer
>AJ Green
>>65070925
>Dez Bryant
Fuck off Cowshit retard.
>>65070865
>best LT
>on a perennial underachieving shithole
He plays for the fucking Browns, you retard. If you haven't figured out the teams and the rings matter, not the player, you're retarded.
>best WR
>At a position that has a huge line waiting for players to get in who shouldn't be waiting
>Marvin Harrison
>Isaac Bruce
>>65070874
You should also kill yourself for lacking critical thinking skills and reading comprehension for the rest of the thread.
>>65067837
Urlacher and Vinny are making it, Herschel and Gostkowski might, and nobody is arguing for the rest
>>65070937
>Implying the HoF doesn't have choke-artists in it
>>65070938
Jesus Christ you're fucking dumb. There are a ton of players in the HoF who played for shitty ass teams their entire career. Educate yourself before you embarrass yourself like this.
>>65070938
please quit embarrassing yourself and go back to one of the 140 general threads on this board if you want to spout your retarded ESPN tier opinions
>>65067837
Urlacher and Vinatieri are locks and Gostkowski's a strong contender
>>65070980
>>65070988
You're both cancer. Just stop posting, you clearly know nothing about the fucking sport if you think Joe Thomas is a lock for the HOF. You really don't and it's fucking ridiculous to read. Stop posting to me, I can't read this shit anymore.
>>65070925
>>Larry Fitzgerald
>>Dez Bryant
>>JJ Watt
>>Calvin Johnson
>>Vince Wilfork
>>Darelle Revis
>>Richard Sherman
>>Marshawn Lynch
all debatable to be honest
especially Lynch & Megatron
>>65070267
Hall of fame not infamy
>>65068690
Mlb votes about in 4 people every year on average since opening in 1936.
The nfl (which you believe to be more exclusive) votes in an average of 6 people every year. In about 10 years, the pro football HOF will have more than the baseball HOF, despite opening almost 30 years later.
10/10 bait made me check your bs for you
>>65071016
your argument agaist Joe Thomas being a HoF is that he doesnt play in primetime games and since thats all you watch you assume he is irrelevant.
You are a literal retard and anyone who cares about football more than watching SNF and playing madden is laughing at you
>>65067837
Urlacher and walker will. Probably Vinny too.
>>65070925
You forgot Adrian Peterson
>>65071034
How the fuck is Revis debatable? He was the best CB since Deion Sanders and played in NY for the majority of his career what the fuck are you people on to think he's a debatable HoFer
>>65070925
>Sherman, Lynch, and Dez all definite
>Lacy and Carson ever being considered without rings
>Peterson, Kuechly, Jared Allen, Witten, Gates, and Joe Thomas not even listed
>>65070785
He broke some egregious rules, he crossed a moral and ethical line. There's only a few people in any sport who disgrace themselves like that. There's no grudge, it's a entire voting bloc and millions of other people who don't think people like that should be in a Hall of Fame.
>>65071159
was he elite long enough? That's what I'm wondering
>>65071070
No, it's that he's never won a fucking game that matters. He will never do anything of note because he plays for a shit team. There are fantastic lynch pin offensive linemen that will go completely unheralded their entire careers and not make it into the HOF, and played on better teams than the Browns. Orlando Pace is the first one that comes to mind, and he has a fucking ring.
Stop acting like I have some disdain for Thomas, he's a great player, we're talking the HoF here, and it has nothing to do with stats. It has to do with fame, rings and the team name, that's it.
>>65071198
He's a scumbag for sure, but for his on-field achievements alone, Rose should be in
>>65071159
however the NY element will probably get him in, you're right
>>65070925
>OBJ
>Wilson
>Edelman
>Jordy Nelson
>Eddie fucking Lacey
>Chandler fucking Jones
>on a hall of fame path
>Sherman and Dez lock HoFers
holy shit did you just boot up madden sort by rating and list the first 20 that came up? this is the most embarrassing post on /sp/
>>65071245
Youre right on 90% of that, but if OBJ continues putting up numbers at the pace he's at, he'll get in (especially if he gets a ring)
>>65070925
I agree except witten needs to be added to dark horse and watt needs to be moved to dh.
>Both of them are big country crackas that will never sniff a superbowl and probably not a HOF due to their shitty teams.
Edelman needs to be removed entirely.
>I'm a tech grad, so it pains me, but remove Amendola.
>>65071210
Warren Moon didn't exactly set the world on fire in the postseason, but he's in the HoF
>>65071232
I agree. But betting on the game like that and being a scumbag about it for decades is a lot different than marshawn lynch giving writers something interesting to write about during the super bowl media week for once. You know the media loved that shit.
>>65070974
Let's be honest, here. Elway and the teams he dragged to the owl the first 3 times had no business being there. Nobody in the afc at that time held a candle to the nfc teams. The real superb owl was the nfccg, with a blooper reel against the afc team.
Elway somehow managed to drag a bunch of total scrubs to the owl to get completely outclassed by superior teams. It wasn't until they actually had some decent players around Elway (Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, and a damn snazzy o-line) that he was able to bring a chip back to Denver.
If Elway and Montana changed places during the nfc domination Era.... Nothing much changes for the niners, they still win a ton and win lots of titles. But, in Denver, Montana is selling life insurance after his injury plagued 3 year career is over.
>>65068470
I hate the Buccaneers but damn I respect Alstott. The dude was more tank than man. True shame the fullback is a dying position in football at every level.
>>65070925
I'll literally an hero if Richard "people only know my name because I chimped-out on a live interview, threw around my Stanford-lite education, had two good seasons, never learned to play both sides of the field, and got burned and exposed unless the zone safety also played well" Sherman gets in
>>65071316
so Elway was the Lebron of football?
>>65071210
no fucking shit a LT didn't single handedly make the Browns an Owl contender. Pace has been eligiable for 1 whole year and will no doubt make it and he wasn't even as good as Thomas
Please please please go back to the espn comment section or your general containment thread with all the other 14 year olds and "fans" with less knowledge than your average woman sports fan
this generation will be looked at as the gonden age of quarterbacking
ben, brady, brees, peyton and rodgers will all get in. maybe eli too. just because there are so many great ones playing right now just makes you take them for granted. each one holds a ton of team records and some nfl ones too
>>65071305
It's cause he's black. Not saying that's a bad thing, he broke major social boundaries by becoming one of the first black QBs and really helped shape the way the game is played now.
He also had a shitload of all-time records when he retired (all of which are broken)
>>65071369
>espn comment section
so you saw this on /reddit/ or whatever shitpost place you came from and this is your new "thing"
cool memes.
>>65070561
That you know of. Though this is probably more relevant to the baseball HOF where a lot of players not might make it in because of suspicions surrounding steroids.
>>65070925
As a Packer fan, Lacy and Nelson are absolutely not going to get into the HoF, only a retard would believe they have a chance.
Edelman isn't getting in, he is literally Wes Welker 2.0 and only works with the Patriots system. He is entirely replaceable by the next 5'7'' fast white WR. OBJ, Cam and Wilson are far far far too early to tell, come back in another 7 years before even considering them, they shouldn't even be talked about this early.
Wes Welker and Danny Amendola won't get in for the same reason Edelman won't, Patriots system WRs that are entirely replaceable.
Gronk and Watt will most likely get in barring a complete system collapse with their team. Its not a lock yet, but they are on the right path and only need a couple more seasons to lock it.
Lynch and Calvin Johnson are extremely iffy. Megatron has a huge log jam of WRs to compete with to get in, and he hasn't exactly bolstered his resume, admittedly at no fault of his own.
Sherman is also far from a lock.
>>65071363
I think that Peyton would be more appropriate in that analogy. Even more so if Denver wins the bowl this year.
>>65071411
make a definitive case right now as to why Witten and Gates aren't HoFers and Calvin and Revis are "maybe's" or quit posting
>>65069598
Isn't Eli in the top 10 all time in td's now? If not he will be before he retires, add in the two rings and he will definitely make it. For comparison what do Ben's career stats look like thus far?
Also Steve Smith Sr should be a first ballot Hall of Famer but his lack of td's, bad attitude, playing for a small market most his career and no ring are going to make his candidacy and huge question. He always played great in the playoffs which will definitely help him out.
>>65071501
Steve Smith has no place being mentioned with the HoF. Why does everyone here think being a good player for 8-9 years means you're a HoFer? Steve Smith was never even a top 5 player at his position
>>65071444
not him but
Calvin has a very shaky resume simply from being stuck with Stafford as his QB. His lack of a post season resume really hurts, and he wasn't as visually outstanding as Barry Sanders. Coupled with the long line of WRs already waiting to get in and its a tough sell. I really hope he does, but its a big maybe.
Witten is absolutely getting in, Gates I hope will, but he was a 1 trick show. Admittedly his trick was TDs which was pretty damn great, but his blocking wasn't nearly as dominant as Witten, and he will always be overshadowed by Gonzalez. (I still think Gates gets in though, just not 1st ballot)
>>65071535
Its more his physical dominance for his size. He was very unique in his style of WR. But I agree, not worth HoF discussion.
>>65071557
better watch out, he's going to tell you to go to the ESPN comments or where ever the fuck he wants to shitpost with you next.
>>65071193
Right. Even as a Dallas fan, Dez has a lot to go before being considered. Replace him with Witten, get Peterson on way over Lynch. Sherman shouldn't even be in this conversation.
>>65071535
>Why does everyone here think being a good player for 8-9 years means you're a HoFer?
that's why I don't think these guys >>65071034 are getting in UNLESS they step it up a level. Wilfork is pretty much done, unfortunately, and so is Marshawn but the others still have time to make a mark.
>>65071557
Fucking Art Monk made the goddamn HoF and he was a shittier Wes Welker his entire career, Calvin was the best WR in the NFL for 5 years and never outside the top 5 he's making the hall. This whole thing with receivers is overblown anyway and is just a result of the league going to a mainly passing based offense. Moss and Owens are the only WR's who are surefire locks theres no huge list of greats behind them. This WR logjam bullshit all started with Cris Carter bitching and thats only because he had off the field stuff so they "punished" him.
>>65071636
hey buddy wheres your post detailing why Witten and Gates aren't HoFers and Revis and Calvin are a maybe please dont spare me from more of your brilliance
>>65067565
The last two will make it. The first two don't even have a chance.
>>65071680
Are you kidding me? Art Monk is way better than Wes Welker could ever hope to be.
>>65071535
He won a triple crown, is 11th on the all time receiving yardage list, has some stellar post season performances and did all this despite playing with shit qbs on run first teams for basically his entire career. If he comes back for one more year he will easily end up in the top 10 in yards. If you factor in his size and how he transformed himself from a return man to one of the leagues best receivers he will have a good case for the hall. The major knock on him is lack of td's (only 84 for his career) and the fact he ended two teammates careers by breaking their faces with his fist.
>>65071372
I feel like the inflated stats era is about to come to an end with Peyton, Brady, Eli, Ben and Brees probably retireing within the next 5 years. I wonder what state that leaves the NFL in. Maybe some sort of meme running qb league with Wilson, Kaep, RGIII and Cam being the MVPs.
>>65071700
The next tight end from the modern era getting in for the next twenty-thirty years is Tony G. Thats it.
Revis "maybe" gets in for the NY Market, that's it. His career stats are shit.
Calvin "maybe" gets in for being funneled the ball in an offense where they had literally no one else.
Three out of those four don't have rings.
Three out of those four will retire without rings.
>>65071763
Art Monk was a shitty slot receiver who played for 100 years on some great teams and got a bunch of high counting stats because of it. He was never a top 5 or usually even 10 WR hes probably one of the worst players in the hall
>>65067500
>>65067544
>>65067617
>>65067650
>>65067697
just wait til next year fags
>>65071821
>The next tight end from the modern era getting in for the next twenty-thirty years is Tony G. Thats it.
>Revis "maybe" gets in for the NY Market, that's it. His career stats are shit.
its a shame you've proven to be such a retard that i don't think this is trolling
>>65070925
This might be the worst fucking thing I've ever seen on this stupid website
>>65071897
And you've proven you can't respond with anything but memes.
Please kill yourself and stop posting anon.
Revis is shit. He hasn't been the same since he went down. And he'd only played for five years up to that point.
A good five year run does not an HOFer make.
>>65070925
This is one of the most deluded posts I've ever seen. Only like 5 of those guys belong in the hall, and you didn't even include Peterson anywhere.
>>65071787
Mariota will be the next great QB
if only they fired Poo-larkey and got a real coach
to the guy who doesnt believe Joe Thomas will be in the HOF please give a GOOD reason why
the guy has been to the Pro Bowl every year he has been in the league. 1st team all pro 6 times and 2nd team 2.
>>65070974
Elway was known for being incredibly clutch in the 4th quarter. He's hardly a choke artist. He went 2-3 in the owl, but that was more a reflection of Broncos/AFC than his own ability. Those first three Broncos teams he took to the owl had absolutely no business being there. The Broncos were a subpar team with subpar coaching. I honestly believe if Elway had been on the 49ers he would be widely considered the GOAT.
>>65071924
Revis had 1 "bad" year in tampa where his idiot coach made the best man to man cover in football play a zone half the time and during which he was still recovering from a blown ACL. He was the best Corner since Deion in his prime, is still a top 3 corner, won a ring as the best defensive player on a team and has shitty stats because no one threw at him for the first 7 years of his career. Revis is probably top 3 with Brady and Manning as far as HoF locks go that are still playing. Once again you have proven that you are a gigantic retard who seems obsessed with trying to appear intelligent regarding things you know nothing about. I don't know why you seem to enjoy looking so stupid but at least you're doing it on an anonymous imageboard.
>>65072014
>Sanders and Revis in the same category
Holy shit, you really are from reddit.
Looks like you're the one that needs to go back to ESPN.
I'm sure you think in two years Sherman will be HOF ready too, right?
>>65072000
obviously because his team sucks which is why Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers have been kept out of the Hall and forgotten by history
>>65071853
Nobody even knew who Welker was until he started playing for the Pats in Belichick's system. He also benefited from all the rule changes that the NFL implemented in order to increase offensive production. Art Monk wasn't flashy but like Largent he caught passes when you needed him too. Welker wouldn't have lasted that long under the old NFL rules.
>>65071787
Cam is clearly the best QB of all the "young" qbs in the league. Wilson is second and Luck/Bortles/Dalton are the next tier down. Cam's main issue is going to be health. If his body doesn't break down he is going to end up with something like 100 rushing tds by the end of his career, not to mention all the passing touchdowns and yards he will have. Even still if he doesn't win at least one ring he won't make the Hall. At this point Cam is basically black Peyton Manning only he uses legs and his arm where Manning just had his arm. Their total stats for the first 5 years of their careers are basically identical but Cam has fewer turnovers.
>>65072034
Sherman is a shitty meme corner who gets burnt anytime he actually has to play someone 1on1 he's a product of the seattle defensive scheme and earl thomas
he does have better stats than revis though so i don't know why you don't like him since those apparently matter for corners
>>65072068
Atleast you're not SO retarded.
>>65067565
Bree and Calvin will go in
>>65071206
He has a ring.
>>65072034
also i'd love to know what corner since sanders has been better than revis. im awaiting something like sam madison or samarri rolle since they had high madden ratings
Current players who will more likely than not end up in the hall:
>Manning
>Brady
>Rodgers
>Brees
>Megatron
>Adrian Peterson
>Joe Thomas
>Revis
>Gronk
>Watt
>Vinatieri
There's definitely plenty of other guys who could do it, either depending on the rest of their career or how the cards fall, but these are the only ones I would bet on. Watt and Gronk could obviously still fuck it up.
>>65072130
>No Fitz
>>65069186
>>65070695
>>65070925
>>65072063
>you share a board with people this stupid
>>65072014
Charles Tillman's career stats blow Revis stats out of the water. Is Tillman a hall of famer? Revis is great but I don't think he is a hall of fame lock.
>>65067500
Dude he has two owls. the fuck are you talkin about
>>65072177
hahahahahahahaha
did you LITERALLY just try to say charles tillman is better than revis
im convinced you were just trolling this entire time no one can be this dumb
>>65072208
I didn't say Tillman was better I said his stats are better, seriously look them up. The dude has forced 82 turnovers in his career and has like 10 defensive touchdowns. It is absolutely insane considering how average his coverage skills are. Revis is the better coverage guy but he only has 28 picks which isn't even close to top 20 all time. If he makes the hall it will be solely off the new york media hype of Revis island and nothing to do with stats or his actual play.
>>65068422
>takes cheap shots
>dopes
No he doesn't
>>65072173
This thread has reminded me how retarded most of the faggots here are.
>>65072130
You forgot Jason Peters
>>65070511
>Implying Marshawn's name would ever come up in a HOF discussion
Kekin hard, Ricky
>>65072130
Watt would literally have to beat a woman and kill somebody to fuck it up. He's already a 3x DPOY, the only player in NFL history with two 20+ sack seasons, 4x All-Pro, and has a career trajectory that's going to put him alongside Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White as the most dominant defensive player ever.
>>65072579
I know he won't, it was just the easiest scenario I could think of
>beat his kid
>fumbled away every big game he's ever played in
Really doesn't deserve it 2bh.
>>65072796
nigger what
>>65067635
thats a pretty big factor
>>65067924
Tell that to Jim Plunkett....
>>65067500
Are you actually this retarded? hes a 1st if not second ballot HOF qb from his generation.
>>65071198
Disagree. He would have crossed a line had he bet against his team. His bets were for his team. You can't singlehandedly fix a win, but you can fix a loss. Now if his bets involved the spread rather than straight up w/l we're entering a gray area.
Maurice Jones drew
Bob sanders
Eli Manning
>>65068157
>Ask Dave Dameshek
Literally who, you Italian rapist.
>>65071206
DBs don't tend to sit atop the crowd for very long, unlike QBs for example. Their craft relies too much on athleticism for that to happen very often. He should be in.
>>65068020
>70,000 yards & 490 TDs
>that's still all-time numbers right there
I don't think you know what "all time" means....
>megatron won't make the HoF
troll thread af unsubscribed
>>65071034
This is why Canadians shouldn't be listened to on AF /sp/ threads....
>>65067951
/Terry Bradshaw
/Franco Harris
>all these steelers haters
Big Ben in the toughest QB in the league and will get in easy as well as Troy, Harrison and Brown.
Deal with it
>>65073327
I swear to god I am going to punch you in the shoulder
>>65068470
John Lynch - 5+ years
Alstott - never
TD - could be this year
Clark - nigger, really?
>>65071821
If he can make it through the long haul Gronk's career stats will wind up better than Gonzales's. That said there's an excellent chance of injury ending his career before that can happen.
>>65069927
>watching Top 10 Cowboys
>Fakeman comes up on list
>"He was so accurate. I could close my eyes and it'd be there 9/10 times"
>throw INTs at a 0.9 ratio
He was elite alright. Elite backup tier
>>65067934
>No one is going to be telling their kids or grandkids about watching a QB consistently throw first downs and touchdowns while 800 pounds worth of defensive lineman is hanging from various limbs and such
Say what you want, but there's no denying the fact that Big Ben has continually been among the best QBs in passer rating after contact for his entire career. He has the ability to turn what would be a sack for any other QB into a huge gain and he manages it in nearly every game he plays..
>>65071821
>CB
>stats
>>65067934
>It's the HOF not the hall of pretty good.
>he believes this
>>65073504
I went to look up Ben's stats and its funny how he goes up, down, up, down every year except 2009-10. Dunno whether that coincides with new OCs every 2 years, but I guess we can expect him to make another pro bowl next season.
>NFL only
Well everyone said everybody already so I'm gonna say Paul Konerko.
Devin Hester is getting in right?
Without a doubt, the greatest return man of all time
>>65070974
>forgets the drive
Holy shit I'm posting among literal morons.
>>65073993
Is this copypasta?
>>65067934
>It's the HOF not the hall of pretty good.
Do you faggots even think of this phrase when you say it? Christ. You say that like it's called the half of greatness. It's not. It's the hall of fame. If you're saying "hall of pretty good" would let pretty good players in, then the hall of fame would let in famous players. Tim Tebow is a famous player. So unless you're saying Tim Tebow is a hall of famer, stop fucking using that tired ass phrase
>>65074194
This post belongs in the hall of flame.
>>65074215
I want to thank my coaches, my family, and all those who helped me along the way. I promised myself I wouldn't cry
>>65067524
he's just not good enough.
2x Dilfer is still Dilfer.
>>65067565
Romo will make it based on him winning the '17 Owl.
>>65067500
I don't think there's a single QB with two owl wins that's not in the hall to be honest.
>>65074368
who is jim plunkett
>>65074375
so 1 then? there's no way it's more than 3.
>>65074406
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlunJi00.htm
>>65070812
>unforseen injury
Yeah...he's gonna get at least a couple of more ACLs. I think he has 1,5 more productive seasons to go t.b.h.
>>65067934
I agree, then again the Bus got in.
>inb4 muh total yards
Testaverde and Bledsoe are also top 10 in total yards and will never get in.
>>65067500
>Ben isn't going to the hall of fame.
You realize in the last 10 years Brady, Peyton and Ben share 3 AFC championships right?
If you consider Brady or Peyton elite you have to at least respect Ben or you can take your bias ass somewhere I don't have to read your retarded ramblings.
>>65074764
>antonio brown babby
>>65074845
No. Big Ben is the only QB who has led a 6 seed to a SB victory.
>>65074845
Antonio Brown wasn't even available for all 3 of those AFC titles, nor was he in either super bowl.
Keep being retarded tho
>>65074894
And before I get corrected, he wasn't in EVERY SINGLE game, I know he was in the last one.
Saving you a post :^)
