Total footbal pleb here: Why doesn't the NFL just create a new team for LA? Why does an existing team have to move?
Because the NFL is already broken up into 4 divisions per conference with four teams in each division. If they just randomly added a new team there would be one retarded division with 5 teams in it.
>>64899583
During the last round of expansion, L.A. was a finalist for an expansion team but Houston got it instead. Expansion teams however are better suited to cities that haven't had a team in that sport before. Makes building the fanbase easier.
>>64899583
Because the Rams belong in LA, they should've never moved.
The expansion teams in 1993 should've gone to St. Louis and Baltimore (or rather Indianapolis since the Colts should've never moved in the first place, but that's another story)
I'm all right with expanding to Carolina in 1999, but there was (and still is) no reason for Jacksonville to have an NFL team
>>64899583
>Because you guys stole the Rams from LA so you're getting exactly what you deserve.
>>64899583
A lot more effort and money would be required. The fixed costs of starting a new team are too high, some rich entrepreneurs who wanted to start one there would have to compete with the owners who WANT to be in L.A. because they think they'll make more money there.
>>64899659
>no reason for Jacksonville to have an NFL team
Fucking this. there were so many other cities that deserved an expansion other than jacksonville.
seriously I would just love to know the reasoning behind making a team in Jacksonville of all places
>>64899659
>but there was (and still is) no reason for Jacksonville to have an NFL team
Fuck you nigga
>>64899725
so they could justify moving it to London later
>>64899725
There's no chance at Vegas ever getting an NFL or MLB team. The fact that the NHL is considering expanding there is retarded. Only the NBA could maybe be successful in Vegas. But from a business perspective, Vegas is a god-awful place for pro sports.
>>64899768
Why? 2 million people have permanent residence there.
>>64899725
What other places are deserving of a team? Not disagreeing though
>>64899814
> permanent
No. Vegas is the single most transient major metro area in the US, BY FAR. It also has relatively low income and a huge % of people working nights/weekends compared to other areas. It also has no real corporate base outside casinos.
>>64899659
>>64899725
>21 years later and y'all niggas still mad as fuck
lmfao
>>64899583
>Sponsored by Dodge.
The Ramchargers.
>>64899659
>>64899814
Back in 1993, St. Louis had a stadium built, Jacksonville was ready to renovate the existing Gator Bowl, and Baltimore was ready to build as well. Oakland was basically Raiders or no one, and Nashville wasn't on anyone's radar until the Oilers moved there and the NHL gave them the Predators.
Here's how I would have done the expansions, assuming it was too late to save the LA teams:
1995: Carolina, Baltimore
1999: Nashville
2002: LA
>>64899583
NFL $$$$$$$
The following divisions should remain like this for the rest of eternity. If an owner wants to move, then he can fuck off:
>NFC EAST
New York Giants
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins
Dallas Cowboys
>NFC NORTH
Green Bay Packers
Chicago Bears
Minnesota Vikings
Detroit Lions
>NFC SOUTH
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New Orleans Saints
>NFC WEST
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks
Arizona Cardinals
Los Angeles Rams
>AFC EAST
New York Jets
New England Patriots
Miami Dolphins
Buffalo Bills
>AFC WEST
Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
>AFC NORTH
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns (Ravens)
Baltimore Colts (Indy Colts)
Cincinnati Bengals
This is where you guys come in:
>AFC SOUTH
Houston Oilers (Titans)
Jaguars (Should they stay or move elsewhere?)
Expansion Franchise 1999 (Browns)
Expansion Franchise 2002 (Texans)
>Cities (can only pick 3)
Indianapolis
St. Louis
Nashville
Jacksonville
San Antonio
London (even though it's unrealistic fulltime IMO)
So what would /sp/ do?
>>64900171
Indy, StL, Nashville
San Antonio, much like Oakland, works only if it's the Raiders
I'd also move the Bills to Toronto
>>64900171
San Antonio and Indy for sure. Tossup between Nashville and St. Louis for the 3rd spot. I'd also put the Raiders back in LA with the Rams.
>>64900171
San Antonio
Jacksonville
Indianapolis
>San Antonio could definitely support an NFL team
>Jacksonville has shown in the past that it can when they field a competitive team
>Indianapolis is a mainstay and has also proven it can as well
Not sure why people want to move the Jaguars so bad. They aren't even close to having the worst attendance and they contribute to the shared revenue pool more than both the Browns and the Lions, so should Detroit and Cleveland lose their teams?
>>64899659
>there was (and still is) no reason for Jacksonville to have an NFL team
You are a complete idiot who has no idea what the hell you are talking about. Have you ever been to Jacksonville?
>>64900284
You mean Florida's afterthought of a city?
>>64900237
>Yes.
But only so they lose their current owners and management.
>>64900171
>Cleveland Browns (Raves)
>mfw Flacco in Cleveland
>>64899757
Screencapped so I can repost it in the next two years when they move
>>64900310
Biggest city in Florida. They have a shitty team that still draws a bigger crowd than the Dolphins.
I would argue that of all of Florida's teams, Jacksonville would be the last team to move. I would also argue that you're a cocksucker who knows absolute shit about football.
>>64899653
>L.A. was a finalist for an expansion team but Houston got it instead
How were things with 31 teams?
And why would the NFL rather give teams to Jacksonville and Carolina than Houston and LA on the previous expansion?
>>64900171
Indy gets the new Browns because fuck he Irsays
San Antonio gets the Texans, can even keep the name
St. Louis get the Jags because Khan's probably moving there anyway in about 5 years
nfl needs a second division with promotion/relegation. only way to capitalize on the market
>>64899725
>>64899659
>>64900284
>THE TEAM IN THE HEART OF FOOTBALL COUNTRY DOESNT DESERVE A TEAM
HO LEE FUCK MY SIDES ARE IN ORBIT RN, DO YALL EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOURE TALKING ABOUT ANYMORE? OR HAS YOUR BUTTPAIN BLINDED YOU THIS MUCH? LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>64900590
>Indy gets the new Browns because fuck the Irsays
>Jim and Johnny Football get caught partying in some frathouse drunk as fuck and high on cocaine
Could you imagine the shitstorm on /sp/ if TMZ ever caught something like that on video?
>>64900617
Jacksonville is a fucking party city and their team draws a good crowd despite being shitty fuckboy. Don't alk shit about Jacksonville.
>>64900673
im not talkin shit about jax m8, im saying we desrve a team BECAUSE were in the heart of football country
didnt mean to quote u if ur >>64900284
>>64900617
I am physically exhausted at the mere thought of not attending a primetime Jaguars game and having pool side tickets
>>64900617
>shad building fucking cabannas, pools, and bars right into the stands
shad confirmed loves bad bitches
I drove down from Charlotte to Jacksonville for week 1. Was a pretty good crowd, atmosphere and stadium. They shouldn't lose their team
>>64900570
Jacksonville is a massive football town because of the Gators, and was always looked at historically by owners looking to move (Irsay visited it when he wanted to move the Colts. They also had a USFL team)
North Carolina is a huge sports state. In the central part of it, you have College Basketball. Around Charlotte (Where the Panthers play), the entire NASCAR industry is set up there. Not to mention the bankers there makes it so there's no shortage of people willing to spend money on sports.
Because this is not soccer.
>>64899653
Oilers?
>>64900666
underrated post to be honest family
>>64899814
Vegas is pretty ghetto outside of the strip. I wouldn't want those people at my football games for my team. We wouldn't stand it.
There isn't enough quality talent to spread across 32 teams, let alone more if they keep expanding.
>>64900617
They're near the bottom of the league in attendance and their team has been in perpetual mediocrity since the expansion was created
>>64900171
>>AFC NORTH
>Pittsburgh Steelers
>Cleveland Browns (Ravens)
>Baltimore Colts (Indy Colts)
>Cincinnati Bengals
>the three teams that joined the AFC during the merger all in the same division
I dig
>>64901002
>St. Louis dead last in both average attendance and %
"B-b-but they shouldn't take our team away!"
>>64901002
>attendance better than TWO (2) SEPERATE PLAYOFF TEAMS
>only showing this year
>literally never been at the bottom of attendace, ever
>Mediocre
>has a better playoff record than over half the league and the team has only been alive for barely two decades
youre point is invalid
NFL insider here. Believe it or not, the most likely team to move to London in the future is the Jets.
>>64900617
Just make every section of the stadium into pools and minibars, maybe then they'll actually give a fuck about going.
>>64899583
sorry that no one gave you the real answer: adding a team or two means every current owner would get a smaller cut of nfl revenue. moving a team from a smaller market to l.a. means a.) each owner gets his same cut, b.) that cut will now be worth x more because l.a. is one of the biggest tv markets in the country, so the next tv deal will likely skyrocket.
>>64900934
No. Oilers moved to Tennessee and became the Titans. The Texans are the expansion franchise that almost got given to LA over Houston.
>>64901148
>pushing this salt on some team that actually has been doing everything right
pic extremely related
>>64901002
>perpetual mediocrity
>forget about based Coughlin nearly memeing his way to an Owl appearance in their 2nd year of existance, then making the playoffs a few more times
>forget about those Del Rio teams in the 2000s
Seriously, what went wrong they're now shit every year?
>>64901221
He was stating that the reason the expac went to houston is because cities without teams build better fanbases. They had a team in the oilers though.
Guys.
Its literally only about which owner can wrangle the most out of cities to pay for stadiums.
Literally the only reason.
>>64901254
Gene "Muh diamond in the rough at d3 schools" Smith.
he was the GM for the last 6 or so years before we got Dave Caldwell. in his tenure as GM (which should be noted: he isnt a GM anywhere anymore) he drafted the same number of D2 schools AS HE DID POWER 5 SCHOOLS.
you want to know the real kicker? you know how many players are still in the league from when he was the GM? FIVE (5) PLAYERS
>>64901273
Right. And it was dumb to move them.
>>64901254
>Seriously, what went wrong that they're now shit every year?
I hate Stan Kroenke. I really fucking hate him.
I'm happy for the LA Rams fans who've been waiting for their team to come back. But that fucking cunt Kroenke can suck my average sized white penis. I fucking hate him. I hate him
>>64901331
>>64901409
Fuck him. Fuck. Him.
He's the reason that there's faggots spewing le jags should move maymay
FUCK HIM
>>64901121
Source?
>>64901452
its okay pham, our lord and savior has arrived
>>64901331
When you look at Gene Smith's draft and free agency tenure you could make a strong argument that he's the worst general manager in NFL history. Falcons fan btw, still mad you guys took David Caldwell from us, starting to become obvious he was the brains behind our offense
I don't even know where the fuck Jacksonville is, but the Jags will always have Jags guy so they're alright by me.
>>64901121
>London Concordes
I want to believe
>>64901651
It's in Florida.
Florida has 3 football teams in Miami, Tampa Bay, and Jacksonville.
>>64901002
>There are "teams" that don't have Over 100% in attendance
My sides
tgey should all be relocated tbdesu
>>64901423
Props on being rational with the direction of your anger. Most St. Louis Rams fans I've encountered act as Los Angles plotted to steal the team away.
Even though we got back our team, I feel sorry for your loss.
>>64900284
Nobody gives a shit, especially you "fans".
Kroenke is footing the bill to build the new stadium.
>>64900171
St. Louis should've never lost the Cardinals in the first fucking place.
Congress should just threaten to butt fuck these leagues everytime an owner wants to move.
>>64901254
>forget about those Del Rio teams in the 2000s
>1 playoff win in 9 years
If this is what passes as good in Jacksonville then you truly are shit.
>>64899650
Expansion to 36 franchises. 6 divisions with 6 teams each.
>>64907572
>Congress
Yeah sounds like a great idea, get the government involved in football. Fucking retard.
>>64907572
A godawful city full of ingrates like St. Louis doesn't deserve a team. If anything those Cardinals belong in Chicago.
>>64907591
They already are you imbecile.
>>64907621
Not to that extent.
>>64907612
Eh, Chicago chose the Bears.
>>64900171
>Expansion Franchise 1999 (Browns)
Who the fuck would want them in their city?
>1994
Total footbal pleb here: Why doesn't the NFL just create a new team for St. Louis? Why does an existing team have to move?
>>64899650
So add 8 teams, one for each division.
>>64911238
Because Georgia wants to move her "late" husband's to her home state
>>64911262
husband's *team
>>64911262
> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""drowned"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>64901002
>green bay
does 1/3 of the city go to every single game
>>64901093
the race riot at the stadium scared all the families away
>>64911262
>post yfw someone who has been competitively swimming for his entire life drowns
>>64911328
As someone who lives in Wisconsin and has been to Green Bay multiple times, yes.
People joke how dead citys are when football is on, but Green Bay turns into a god-damn ghost town.
>>64911214
Probably Shit Louis, so they can get those A&MBux
