>Farmer gone
>Pettine gone
>Gilbert hopefully gone
>Bowe hopefully gone
>Manziel hopefully gone
Let's start the cycle over again, hopefully with people who aren't complete shit this time
>>64667034
Why don't thwy just kill the Browns? They never have success. This bullshit happens every fucking season.
Ship their ass to Canada.
>>64667133
We didn't want the bills why would we want the browns?
>>64667133
Because Cleveland has better fans than pretty much any other NFL team
>>64667193
What of they changed the name? To like a bird? A dark scary bird.
>>64667395
The Cleveland Cocks
>>64667395
the Cleveland Vultures
>>64667395
>With the first pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Toronto Turkey-Buzzards select..
Chip needs to go to the Browns. That meme offense is perfect for another two seasons and done the Downs are good at
>>64667034
>Cleveland BROWNS
>Team is orange
>Logo is a helmet
>>64667244
Bullshit. People in Cleveland are a bunch of whiny, entitled cunts.
>>64667660
What exactly are we entitled about?
>>64667538
>Turkey-Buzzards
>>64667660
>being wrong about everything you say
Also name another team that would have sellout support after 2 decades of losing
>>64667034
>mfw manziel goes to a decently run team and styles on the league
>mfw the gnats hire pagano because the colts are as dumb as the niners
>>64667034
Don't forget about Joe Thomas.
>>64667809
>seriously wanting pagano
top fucking kek
>>64667395
The Toronto Larrys?
>>64667622
Named after a guy
>>64667898
>going 8-8 with a shit team and management that wants you to fail
>>64667951
>naming a football team after a person
>>64667395
Cleveland Crows 2016
>>64667622
Also, the weird as fuck color scheme was pretty cool in the 1950's when they were dominating everyone and had the best coach in football, now they look like fucking retards. The history of the team is pretty cool but it would nice if all the meaningful history wasn't 50 years ago.
Maybe it's because I'm not dead centre in the Browns media storm... but I don't get why the team is down on Manziel? Cuz he drank a fucking 4loko? I saw him play a few weeks ago I honestly thought he looked pretty good
>>64667802
>browns fans get cucked out of their team because it was shit
>instead of starting over again with a fresh slate, decide to keep the rights to the name and form a "new" team
>team is still shit
>have learned to live with a forever shit team because they don't want it taken away again
you cannot make this shit up
>>64668054
It's not even the same org. That history is about 400 miles to the east as the raven flies
>>64667989
to close to ravens
>>64668108
He faked a concussion to go to Vegas
manziel is the only reason i'd even consider watching the browns
>>64668151
or just close enough
>the Browns plan to hire a head coach and then hire a new GM
...isn't that backwards? what the fuck is Cleveland doing?
>>64668112
>wanting an NFL team shipped out of your hometown because it isn't preforming well
holy shit are you 12?
>>64668214
What's it matter? I think it's better to get the coach sorted out and then a GM that would suit the coach.
>>64668114
Fair enough.
>Manziel hopefully gone
Care to explain why you hope this happens?
>>64668262
Owners hire GMs that fit what they want. GMs hire coaches that fit what they want.
Why would you hire a head coach and THEN hire that head coach's boss?
>>64668214
Apparently the GM is the just the leader of the scouts according to Haslam? Is this how it works for other teams?
Holy shit the Browns are giving their current cap guy the final say on the roster and on draft picks
Wooooow
>>64668371
>is this how it works for other teams?
No. There are a couple owners who are essentially the GM, but to those teams with GMs it's that GM's job to build the team with players and a coach that fits their vision.
Haslam hiring a coach he wants and then hiring a GM handicaps that GM. What will end up happening is nobody worth a damn will take the Cleveland GM job because they won't be able to build around the coach they want.
>>64668262
Because GMs are supposed to be in charge of talent acquisition and many see the coach as part of that talent
>>64668371
The GM is supposed to be incharge of almost all personel decisions. With the Ravens Ozzie decides on everything. Most teams they have the majority of say on what happens. They are truly "managing" the team.
Please someone ask about the homeless man. Do it.
>>64668319
but if you look at it the opposite way, if you do it backwards (coach first) you're essentially getting 2 separate entities. with GM first, the GM gets the coach they want. so basically if the GM sucks, the coach sucks. so there's a logic to going coach first
>>64667133
>yfw the Cleveland Browns are the dark horse candidate to move the team to Los Angeles
So what will the GM even do?
Well he basically just be a glorified head scout?
>>64668591
Basically this. This sounds eerily similar to the Banner and Lombardi situation.
>>64668544
GMs want to be able to hire THEIR coach. If you hire a coach and then try to hire a GM, nobody worth a fuck will want the job. You would be fucking over the GM before he even got the job.
It's an ass backwards way to run a football team and one of many reasons why the Browns are a fucking trainwreck.
Also, Haslam confirming that Johnny was supposed to report at 9AM and never showed and they didn't know where he is/he couldn't be reached
Has an organization ever been this dysfunctional ever?
>>64667034
Dance Thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06DpcFXc4U
Keep in mind New Orleans was just like the Browns at one point.
>>64667133
They tried killing them, but they just came back.
>>64668774
So we need to create a natural disaster and then the team will suddenly turn around?
>>64668856
can a hurricane even hit cleveland?
Based
https://youtu.be/gUXO5-c1Mjw
>>64668108
>>64668153
THe owner just did a presser and said that Manzeil was not required to be at the stadium, but he was required to show up at the HQ as per the concussion protocol. He was a no call no show essentially.
It's being reported by Tony Grossi on ESPN that the GM will be reporting to Sashi and the HC will be reporting to Haslam.
This sure sounds like a GREAT idea
>>64668902
We always get some bullshit rain for a few days when a hurricane hits but that's about it.
>>64668856
Send Bane in with an earthquake machine.
>>64667034
Farmer should not have been fired. He didn't make any controversial pics in the first rounds and his later round guys turned out well.
Mcshay and Kipper both had Manziel and Gilbert in the first round and everybody thought Gilbert was a safe pic. The new owner is a redneck from Tennessee so you have to wonder if race had anything to do with it. Can't accept a team to be built from the ground up in a couple years..
>>64669076
he didnt draft a WR knowing that Gordon was out for 10 games with a drug suspension
he signed Bowe for 9 million, who showed up out of shape and went immediately in the dog house
Gilbert was a terrible pick.
Drafted West in the 3rd and cut him in a year and a half
getting suspended for texting play suggestions to the coaching staff
>>64669076
Nigga he had 4 first round picks and they pretty much all sucked
>>64669076
He was the only GM in the league that didn't go to pro days and thought they were useless. I agree that none of his picks are particularly controversial or they at least made sense at the time but disregarding pro days and receivers is really weird.
>>64669076
He said that wide receivers aren't ready important then proceeded top sign bunch of midgets that can't catch
>>64667034
>Manziel hopefully gone
Kill yourself, he's the most talented QB >we've ever had post-1999. Pettine should have been given another year too, but it's too late now. I agree that Farmer, Gilbert and Bowe are garbage tho
>>64669225
It was his first GM job fuckin everybody is going to make some mistakes in their first year.
>>64669225
Gordon should have just stabbed a nigger and he would still be in the league
>>64669225
>he signed Bowe for 9 million, who showed up out of shape and went immediately in the dog house
man he hasn't been good since his first year. too bad they didn't fleece the browns for a draft pick or two
WTF? WHO THE FUCK IS SASHI BROWN?
THEY'RE LITERALLY PUTTING A LITERAL WHO IN CHARGE ON THE ENTIRE OPERATION AND DRAFT?
This is literally the most retarded thing I've ever heard. We aren't going to get anyone nearly half decent.
>the Browns new coach will be involved in hiring his boss
This is a prime example of how you don't run a football team.
Cleveland bros, I feel for you I really do. I wouldn't blame you if you switched teams, either.
>>64668292
Because he's garbage?
>>64669225
You left out letting Hoyer walk and drafting Manziel. Not that Hoyer is good but when you have a QB winning some games for you for the first time in forever and you're nowhere near the cap you should probably keep him around
Okay guys. So we have two options to deal with the Browns.
1: Ship their ass to Canada.
2: Create a huricane and hope for a New Orleans type effect.
What should we choose?
>>64669426
>wanting a dude in concussion protocol who flys out to Vegas and hits the blackjack tables on game night
>wanting Pettine another year despite literal pants on head retarded calls costing us at least two games, being a defensive minded coach with the 32nd ranked defense two years running, and giving days off left and right to the worst team in the NFL causing them to be completely out of shape and concussion prone
You are literally retarded as fuck, stay in Russia please.
>>64669586
>new head coach will be involved in hiring the GM
The Browns are fucked for at least the next five years.
>>64669587
based on what?
>>64669575
He's their cap guy right now
This is so entertaining for me
>Haslam admits everything is his fault
>fires the GM and coach
>his QB went AWOL and wants out
>is going to hire a head coach to help hire a GM
>promoted a beer vendor to run the entire team right now
There's dumpster fires and then there's this. This is beyond funny, it's downright sad. I feel bad for Cleveland fans. This is borderline criminal malpractice.
>>64669693
>firing everybody and blowing up the team each year or two will bring success
Yeah, nah.
>>64668428
Did Haslam learn how to run a team from the Yorks?
>>64669731
Based on watching him play
>>64669684
>no thanks
We already have enough CFL teams
Where are all the dick riders defending Manziel at now? He's an absolute joke.
>>64669575
he's a fucking lawyer whose previous football experience was being a fucking lawyer for the jags before being a fucking lawyer for the browns
I'm sure he'll run a hell of a draft this year
If Haslam collectively hired /sp/ to run his team we could do better than he is right now.
>>64669791
The dude was a fucking disgrace, and far and away the worst coach we've had since coming back to 99. Literally every player got worst, his defense was one of the worst things I've ever seen, he benched Manziel after he got the first win in like ten games to start a 40 year old journeyman (who proceeded to lose like 8 of the next 9 games), he went for two points against an undefeated Broncos team for no reason and cost the team an almost guranteed win on his dumbass decision alone, and I'm getting sick of typing shit but could probably come up with ten more things just as bad.
But yeah two years isn't enough to learn these things. I'm sure he's really a smart guy under it all that just needed time. People like you are retarded, this is literally one of the worst coaching jobs in NFL history.
Holt shit they REALLY want Chip Kelly
The Browns literally just restructured their entire front office to match up with how the Kelly Overlord era went in Philly.
Welp, brownies, have fun with Manziel being your guaranteed franchise QB and DeForest Buckner as your first round pick.
>>64669586
Why wouldn't the coach want a patsy gm who will be a fall guy after a few years so the coach could last a few more years?
>>64669875
God I can't wait.
It's going to be hilarious
>>64669875
[sarcasm]But family, his surname is Brown, and >we're the Cleveland Browns! This is destiny, I'm sure he'll do fine![/sarcasm]
>Brown left the firm in 2005 for an in-house counsel job with the Jacksonville Jaguars. He made the move to Cleveland in 2013. With the Browns, he has expanded his responsibilities to include both business and football, dealing with sponsor, media and facility negotiations as well as cap management issues.
“I really enjoy both sides of the business,” Brown said. “As I move forward, I would hope to continue in that sort of role and not get pushed to either side.” -Sashi Brown March, 2015
got some bad news, homie
>>64669956
Nah, we'd probably have better ideas but we don't have the NFL connections to get interviews with the right people.
>>64668112
>because it was shit
>>64668114
>It's not even the same org. That history is about 400 miles to the east as the raven flies
It's ok to say you were born after 1999. The team was moved because the owner wanted taxpayers to turn a plot of worthless land he owned into a brand new multi million dollar stadium and the city said no. And literally everyone acknowledges that the Browns history belongs to the current Browns
>>64670005
>Brett Favre as the HC
>Grissman as OC
>Tebow as starting QB
>>64669971
Wat? Haslam said that they wouldn't give a coach final say on anything
>>64669971
Chip Kelly won't take that job, or more accurately his agent won't let him take that job.
Here's how it works. Chip just blew a chance as a HC in the NFL with a lot of bad decisions. But he still has a bright future in the NFL if he plays his next move right. Going to the Browns would be career suicide since when they fire him in 2 years nobody will touch him outside of like RBs coach somewhere.
He would be better off taking an OC job somewhere and waiting for the right opportunity to open up. Or take a better HC job that is offered this year.
>>64670064
>tfw your wife's bull makes you give him control of your football team
>>64670000
that is what you say when there is a GM in place and you don't want to rock the boat. this is what he wanted when he took the job.
>>64670126
And the AFCN is pretty set with Pittsburgh and Cincy at the top, and Baltimore will get their shit together eventually. Even with good decisions the Browns are a long way from being competitive, and the Browns are guaranteed to fire you rather than wait out a process.
>>64670126
Speaking of coordinators, are DeFilippo and O'Neil staying? I hope the latter will be given the boot too
>>64670054
>being this upset his team has no history
Jesus Cleveland
Who are the leading candidates for the Browns coaching job?
>Joe Lombardi
>Dean Pees
>Rob Ryan
>Ken Whisenhunt
>Mike Mularkey
>Jim Tomsula
>Josh McDaniels
>Brian Schottenheimer
>>64670445
This might be the worst list of head coach candidates I've ever seen
>>64670443
>being this upset he lost his teams history but another city got theirs back
I know it hurts. I'm sure the Ravens will be good again though.
>>64669678
true. I forgot about how poorly the organization handled that
>>64667034
As a Browns fan Manziel should be kept even though he is a shithead. He is the only player in the past 17 years that has resembled a QB for this team. Browns obviously have no idea how to draft or acquire a stable QB so they have to hold on to him. Just gotta find a HC that can keep him in line and acquire some pieces that aren't complete shit. I have zero faith in this draft class and the trend of garbage QBs will continue if the Browns decide to draft one and get rid of Manziel.
>>64670641
20 players on IR does some damage.
Also they had tons of holes on the roster regardless of injuries. This wasn't going to a pretty season for them regardless.
I feel bad for Haslam. I mean sure he's a crook (assuming you consider truckers people) but I honestly think he wants to build a winner more than everything but everyone keeps fucking him over. The Rooneys never taught him anything as a minority owner in the Steelers and then shipped him over to the Browns, the NFL gave him Joe fucking Banner when he asked for help, and now he's listening to fucking Sashi Brown because he doesn't have anyone else or a support system to help him.
I can't believe Gruden, as a hardcore Browns fan and quarterback lover won't step in and save this shitshow, he was literally the only hope for the Browns and even he doesn't think he can do it. I'm surprised the temptation of coaching Manziel or having the 2nd overall pick to get Goff or Lynch wasn't enough of a temptation to bring him back.
>>64670641
Ya I'm clearly from Baltimore. It's a fact that the history goes with the org, doesn't just go to the expansion. Do the Texans get the oilers history of does it go to the Titans?
>>64670767
This guy gets it, >we have bigger holes to plug in this roster instead of picking a QB in the first round for the second time in three years
>>64670845
The Browns never left Cleveland. When they announced they were moving to Baltimore the NFL stepped in and announced they weren't moving, they were just suspending operations for a couple years until they put in a new team.
>>64670845
Modell was breaking his lease with the city when he moved. Baltimore and Houston did not have any leverage to keep the history
in any event, Modell didn't give a shit about the name or colors or history. Its another guy's name, on his franchise, and Modell fired that guy years ago.
He was probably more than happy to let Cleveland keep the history and the colors
>>64670836
He's got a comfy as fuck broadcaster job that has probably landed him in the limelight more than winning a super bowl.
Think about all the hardons for this guy over the years from pro gigs to elite cfb positions. And he's gonna give up all that to front office and coach a shit organization? He's got the good life
>>64669731
40% completion percentage is a pretty good Implication
>>64670924
>>64670767
The dude literally faked a concussion and flew to Vegas to avoid playing in a game, and completely jumped ship on his team instead of supporting from the sidelines.
I'm about as big of a Manziel dickrider as there was and wanted nothing more than him to be an elite QB of the future, but that's pretty inexcusable. He's smart (smart enough to try and get out of Cleveland), there's no way he didn't know what he was doing. The dude wants out, I wouldn't be surprised if he refused to play even if the Browns do decide to move forward with him.
There's literally no way you can go into the next season without taking a QB very high and intending for him to be the starter. I agree Manziel has the skills, but he finally went too far.
>>64667133
maybe because us clevelanders love the browns you retard
>>64668972
Tony Rizzo bashed it during his usual post game rant
>>64671048
It'll be Lynch who, coming from a traditionless G5 with little household recognizability, will be wrecked his first few years with very little supporting cast and his career cast aside with hardly any fanfare.
>>64671022
Against an extremely good Chiefs team @ Arrowhead?
>>64667034
>IKTFB
>>64671204
Yeah the Browns are unlucky there aren't any elite QB prospects, but what else can they do Manziel didn't give them any choice. And you never know, the elite guys never get much fanfare. I wouldn't mind Goff.
>>64671000
And as you've already mentioned, he's already won a Super Bowl. He's already in the history books. He's already proven his point.
The dude is 52 and is going to live the easy life getting paid a shit-ton of cash talking about football.
>>64671255
What about 45% against Cincinnati, that not count either?
>>64667133
The same reason when we Americans need to take a shit we say "hey I gotta go send a package to Cleveland" to excuse ourselves.
>>64671292
Hackenberg or Brissett would be more bang for the buck IMO
>>64671348
You say "I gotta take the Browns to the Superbowl" dummy
>>64671296
He's made a lot of comments about liking the long hours and wanting to get back into coaching recently. And pretty much everyone, including himself has said that Super Bowl isn't really his. He's going to definately make one more run at it before he gets too old.
>>64671317
Once again, an extremely good Bengals team @ Cincy
This is what I don't understand about the Browns fans/organization
You finally get a YOUNG qb who shows potential and you want to ship him out after a few lackluster games.
>>64671403
>the only time browns will go to a a bowl is when we drop turds
>>64671048
If he did fake it, it was because he knew Pettine was going to bench him again. Manziel and Pettine never saw eye to eye from the very start. Now that Pettine is out of the picture, I think Manziel would be motivated to play if the right HC was brought in. I know I'm in the minority, but I just know the garbage QB carousel will continue if the Browns draft one early.
take the bait on Paxton Lynch?
>>64671522
The reason historically shit teams remain shit is because they don't run logical organizations. See the loins, current cowboys, and current $(ers for example
Out of all the QBs prospected to be top ten in the draft this year, who shows the most potential? Goff? Lynch?
>>64671522
Just ignore that tripfag, he doesn't give Manziel credit for anything and has it out for him. Manziel could throw for 500 yards and 5TD's and he would still find a way to criticize him. Manziel probably banged a girl he liked that he was too beta to talk too.
>>64671629
>>64671629
I'd like to see that happy outcome but let's be real; he faked an injury to sit out a game. Add that to the shitshow he had been since he got here and he's gone.
They'll RG3 him next year until they get something worthwhile for him and that's the best browns fans can hope for
>>64671522
What promise? The promise that he's an alcoholic who can't stay healthy and is a glorified running back? He sucks, his completion percentage is trash, his TD/INT ratio is trash, his ball security is fucking abysmal, and on top of all that he's an absolute liability off the field. He's been beaten for a starting spot on back to back years by fucking Brian Hoyer and Josh McCown and he was even outplayed by Connor Shaw until he got hurt this year. You can't just excuse his struggles by saying the teams he played are good, Bortles, Carr, and Bridgewater have all played against teams of that magnitude and handled it eons better. You can try to argue that's because Manziel hasn't gotten playing time but that's only his own fault, he was the one who decided to not take his rookie season seriously at all and he's the one who had to sit out this preseason because his arm was sore. The kid sucks, get over it
>>64671754
>They'll RG3 him next year
That gave me an idea. Straight up trade: Manziel to the R******* for Griffin. /sp/ will fucking explode from all the laughter.
Would RGIII or Kaepernick go to the Browns?
>>64671697
Weak qb draft. Lynch and Goff are 1,2. Mayfield a maybe.... Stay away from Hackenburg and Sparty "prospect " Connor cook
>>64671885
no one is going to take rg3's current contract. He is cut in the offseason and I pray he goes to the rams for maximum irony
>>64671885
That would be fucking awesome.
>>64671888
Kap probably. Would be a terrible move on his part but I doubt he'd be picky on where he ends up like rg3
>>64667809
>>64667809
>>64671961
Either the Rams or the Cowboys.
>rgknee and jonathan pigskin join the cowboys
>espn's face
>>64667951
its a meme you dip.
>>64668054
25 anon. Elway killed the Browns in the late 80's and they haven't got back up yet.
>>64667034
>>Manziel hopefully gone
5th and 6th and done deal.
>>64672015
>Kap probably. Would be a terrible move on his part but I doubt he'd be picky on where he ends up like rg3
he will be picky, he knows what he needs to succeed, and has to have a places where can buy stuff to be swagged out.
>>64669791
Eventually they have to get it right in one, right?
>>64671885
No way would the Redskins GM Mcsomething or Gruden would bring Manziel's stupid ass here. Only reason RG3 is even around is because no one wants to risk him getting injured and not recovering in time so they'd be on the hook for that 16mil
>Old Browns move to Baltimore
>They win the SB a few years later.
>>64673125
>Old Browns coached by Bellichek
>He was in the process of turning them around
>If the asshole owner had just waited a couple more years the Browns would have an Owl and people would be bitching about the Bellichek and the Brady led Browns
MAZIEL CONFIRMED
>>64670813
>>64670813
>>64670813
>>64673218
Nah, I'd rather have the current dumpster fire than a franchise with two dirty cheaters at the helm
>>64673282
>no proofs
Why are people still replying?
>>64670443
You're literally sitting in a corner with your fingers in your ears and screaming when someone says a fact. Browns history belongs to the Browns, the Ravens own nothing before the mid 90s
>>64670000
Why even fire Joe Banner if you were going to do this?
>>64668856
let's just light the river on fire again, that should do it right?
2 years and still relevant.
https://youtu.be/jmYvbYJNAHk
>>64667133
They need a place holder team.
What >we need to do right now is get the GM and HC squared away right, cut the dead weight of Manziel, start rebuilding the defense through the draft around McCown or whoever can just stay on the field, do some fucking scouting for once and wait back a couple years on the offensive weapons again from the draft. Sticking with what we have now will never produce more than 5 wins in a season
>>64667979
not football, but
>Chicago Blackhawks
Just seize the Browns from Haslam for Animal Cruelty and put a team in Quebec
>The Canadian Geese
Let the honking begin
Lelmao!
>its 20 years in the future
>johnny football to be enshrined in canton after an illustrious multiple championship career with the (YOURTEAM)
>he skips out on it because of bad memories
>a giant sinkhole opens up and takes Ohio into the ocean
>>64679884
>johnny
>canton
>ohio
>ocean
I can't decide which is less likely
When will the NFL step in a assume control of the Browns ala the NBA and the Sixers?
It's clear the Browns have no desire to succeed they fire a coach every two years, all their draft picks are either major busts or desperately want to get out of there, they can't hold onto a QB or draft a good one since the start of their terrible franchise it's a literal dumpster fire. They clearly only exist to rob Cleveland fans of their money with some Ohio sports marketing bullshit.
