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**OFFICIAL NBA GENERAL**
>All-Star Game Voting Edition
>Adam Silver: "“I hope to see him there. I think he deserves to be there. He’s going to retire as one of the NBA’s greatest players."
>china
>https://twitter.com/Zhao_Guannan/status/673433306235449344/photo/1
Sunday's Games:
Clippers/2:00 PM/Nets**
Celtics/4:00 PM/Hornets
Pacers/4:30 PM/Pistons
Pelicans/5:00 PM/Bulls**
Spurs/5:00 PM/Hawks
Lakers/5:00 PM/Rockets**
Warriors/5:30 PM/Bucks**
Wizards/5:30 PM/Mavericks
Knicks/7:00 PM/Trail Blazers
>All times are in Pacific Time
Another great OP ruined by Pacific Time
You really blew it, bub
black bull
white wife
>>64161525
>he doesn't live on the best coast
>pity votes for Slowbe Cancer Cryant
>wanting to watch cancer past his prime go 1/20 FG
>>64161537
>he doesn't live on the beast coast
not gonna lie, that is some dank ass oc
Why do you guys hate us again?
>>64161598
mark cubans pretty annoying i guess
>>64161598
i dont actually, pretty based how your team bounced back after being keked.
cuban though like anon said.
>>64161598
because dirk deserves more rings
AMA
>>64161598
Who hates us? The only people who I can see have a reason would be the Heat but even then they must admit we were the better team that year and they beat us in 06 cos of refball anyway so we're even.
>they won't vote for kobe
Will we make playoffs?
>Rags
Watched my first complete Warriors game of the year last night.
Do they always get the kind of "foul" calls they were getting last night, or was it an aberration?
>>64162486
pretty sure it's you the Kings and the Suns for 7th/8th seed.
Favors is a beast
>>64161506
Dank OC bro
John wall has reclaimed his spot as elite, it's official
go spurs
>>64163853
Wow a new spurs qt, who is this
why are the wizards so shit
>>64163868
don't know, just posting shit from /s/
basketball post
>>64163919
Yeah they're pretty hurt but I'm not sure that if they were healthy they'd make the playoffs. Wittman has to go. It looks like they're settling into their new offense, but their defense is garbage.
I'm really hoping they get like a top 8 pick and he pans out. I guess I've given up on this season
>>64163963
Nice I guess I should claim a Wiz waifu
Starting with my other celebr crush desu
>>64163853
brehs...
>>64163991
Sounds just like the Bulls & Hoiberg
>>64164397
They're pretty different teams tho. The bulls have tons of talent. Rose isn't garbage, butler might be the best wing in the league, pau, Mirotic
Wiz have wall and beal. And Gary neal might be their second best player
>>64164517
Third best*
Cant wait until John Wall gets ultra shook again on the 15th.
Wizards confirmed for 30 game losing streak if Banjo Kazooie is a new Smash character.
Basketball Reference Forecast as of 12/11/15
EASTERN CONFERENCE:
1. Charlotte Hornets (51-31)
2. Indiana Pacers (50-32)
3. Toronto Raptors (50-32)
4. Cleveland Cavaliers (50-32)
5. Boston Celtics (49-33)
6. Chicago Bulls (47-35)
7. Atlanta Hawks (45-37)
8. Miami Heat (45-37)
---
9. Detroit Pistons (42-40)
10. Orlando Magic (41-41)
11. Washington Wizards (35-47)
12. New York Knicks (35-47)
13. Brooklyn Nets (30-52)
14. Milwaukee Bucks (29-53)
15. Philadelphia 76ers (17-65)
WESTERN CONFERENCE:
1. Golden State Warriors (68-14)
2. San Antonio Spurs (59-23)
3. Oklahoma City Thunder (52-30)
4. Los Angeles Clippers (45-37)
5. Utah Jazz (44-38)
6. Dallas Mavericks (42-40)
7. Portland Trail Blazers (39-43)
8. Phoenix Suns (39-43)
---
9. Memphis Grizzlies (38-44)
10. Minnesota Timberwolves (37-45)
11. Sacramento Kings (35-47)
12. Houston Rockets (33-49)
13. Denver Nuggets (32-50)
14. New Orleans Pelicans (31-51)
15. Los Angeles Lakers (22-60)
Predicted Finals: Charlotte Hornets vs. Golden State Warriors
Thoughts? Do you guys think this trend will hold true in that the East will have all good teams in the playoffs, while the West is basically top heavy with GS and SA? Do Washington and Houston have a chance to get back on track?
>>64161598
You share a city with the Cowboys.
>>64165211
>Charlotte Hornets #1 seed
>making the finals
Who the fuck made this?
>>64165447
Basketball Reference playoff probabilities, friend.
The Warriors aren't even THAT good tbqfh
>>64165211
>49 wins
>with no superstar
>>64165211
Grizzlies/Rockets will almost certainly be ahead of Blazers/Suns.
>>64161506
RBLC still out here
VOTE 4 DENG
What should I get my mom for Christmas bros
HOLY SHIT TURN ON LEAGUE PASS.
IT'S FREE WEEKEND.
>>64168033
Black cock.
In all seriousness are mixed people and by extension white people just better at basketball? If you think about it Lebron has always lost to predominately mixed or white teams in the Finals but keckolds still consider him to be GOAT because he's a big black bull
>>64168033
earrings
>>64171056
bandwagon proof teams general
>>64165211
>13. Brooklyn Nets (30-52)
fuck this forecast.
>>64171262
brooklyn is a shit team and will always be a shit team
What up you fat fucks, it's been awhile
Uncle Drew will be returning soon
Lose weight and stay mad fat bastards
>>64172847
nice shamgod
>like we needed anymore proof they're c u c k s
>>64173385
>he doesn't recognize misc memes
kek fat beta fag
Who are you guys voting for the all star game? I'm voting for all the Warriors for the west, and actual all stars in the east so the Warriors will have at least one loss this year
>>64173385
we should give him a steady supply of white women to breed superior children
>>64174363
>East
Kyle Lowry
Jimmy Butler
LeBron
PG13
Not sure on the 3rd frontcourt guy yet. Drummond? Bosh? Melo?
>West
Curry
Westbrook
Kawhi
Draymond
Cousins
>>64174363
>warriors lose
you're not ready for luke waltons all-star schemes
>>64174549
>Draymond over Griffin
>Cousins over Durant
Why does /nba/ hate Blake Griffin so much?
When will people take the Hornets seriously?
>>64174680
fuck that floppin ass, whine after every play ass, cornball kia commercial ass, offensive foul to get a dunk ass, ginger ass, ugly face havin ass, choker bitch and his shitty choker-whiner cloppers team too
If you could do a re-draft of this year's draft, who would your top 5 picks be?
If anyone could coach the Warriors, then why was Mark Jackson fired?
>>64174824
any white guy
>>64174824
Stephanie Curry's ankles
>>64174807
When they can win a playoff series
>>64174824
*any white guy
>>64174807
When they draft people who are not completely a bust.
>>64174889
Kemba?
Frank?
MKG?
>>64174889
Cody Zeller is good bro
>>64174945
Kemba isn't good
Frank isn't good
Mkg is hurt but isn't that good
>>64174984
In no way or any of those 3 a bust. Kemba will probably be a coach's pick for all star.
MKG is was a DPotY candidate
>>64174814
1. KAT
2. Porzingas
3. D'Angelo
4. Okafor
5. Mudiay
Pretty weak draft looking back at it. Only three guys in the draft have a chance at making the all-stars and only one guy who could turn into a superstar.
>>64175029
Yeah none of those guys are busts (yet) you're right
And kemba has looked better this season so far
Still, I don't think Kaminsky will ever be that good, still way to early to call him a bust
>Muh dee-poy
Defense is cool but if you're not a good offensive player you're not a good player
>>64175067
It hasn't even been a full season. Who knows what these guys will be.
>>64161598
1. Mark Cuban
2. Logo
3. Uniforms
4. History of losing
5. Many shit players
6. Fanbase
7. Mark Cuban
REMINDER THAT THE ALL STAR GAME IS NOT FOR THE BEST PLAYERS BUT THE MOST ENTERTAINING PLAYERS.
Nobody wants to see Kawhi Leonard play defense or James Harden draw fouls. They want to see Blake Griffin dunk and Draymond Green throw up crazy lobs to Kevin Durant while Kobe chucks airballs after airball.
>>64174807
>still thinking the hornets arent shit tier
its 2015, i mean COME ON
>>64175100
I think it will be like the 2006 draft that had a lot of good starter players but very few stars.
>>64174824
anyone who isnt an insecure paranoid selfish egomaniac
>>64172847
>only looks good playing against unathletic pick-up chumps
Yeah Kyrie is literally dog shit
>>64175067
>d'angebust above anyone in the top 8
'no'
>>64175197
If anyone really wants to watch kobe air ball they should get their head checked
I mean we've been watching him Airball for 2 months now, why invite him to Chuck up shots for another 2 hours?
We might as well put him in the 3 pt contest, that way it's shorter and he still gets to come>>64175233
>>64175233
This.
Has there been a comprehensive, tell-all about all the shit Mark Jackson pulled during his time or has it just come out piece meal in various podcasts and gossip columns?
>mfw the Hornets are playing the Celtics after last nights soul sucking 2OT loss to the Warriors
>mfw the Hornets starters rested all 4th quarter last night after BTFO of the Memphis Pooh Bears
>>64175267
Fuck off you stupid faggot
>>64175338
Why don't you come and eat my dick you with that huge black mamba up your asshole
>>64165211
this forecast is worse than the last one. fire whoever made them
>>64168033
gift card to her favorite clothing store
>>64175426
Gay as fuck lol
>Beal missing next 2 weeks
Ffs
>>64175554
The shookening is contagious
>>64175665
Seriously this dude is injured way too often
He has so much potential and is so young but idk man I'm afraid he'll be like this his entire career and idk if he'll be worth that
>>64175689
Thats what everyone said about curry
Why do so many people like Curry?
>>64175815
>>64175890
Because he's incredibly entertaining to watch. Not that complicated, famiglia.
>>64175332
We'll see little bee, we'll see.
Who else /SHOOK/ here?
>>64175944
How is he entertaining to watch?
Chucking threes is not entertaining
>>64175963
>>64168033
a book
>>64168033
a night with a bull
>>64175981
It is when it's from bomb range.
>>64175332
gotta say i'm fairly enjoying the unexpected rise of the hornets. i wonder if they can trade al jefferson for some more nice assets and trade picks.
>Warriors on a back to back
>at the end of a 7 game road trip
>with 2 injured players
The Bucks are the last hope of ending the streak before it goes into the 30's. Lend them your power.
\o/
>>64175952
how'd you become a celtics fan norwayanon, or are you that same norway patsfag in the nfl general
>>64176124
bucks are also on a back to back and they can't defend for shit
>>64176124
/o\
fuck them
>>64175981
>curry only shoots 3s meme
>curry's 3s aren't entertaining
whatever memeboy, you're missing out on history
>>64176002
What are good mom-core books
>>64176225
50 shades
>>64175067
1. KAT - will average 19 and 10 in career no rings
2. Porzingas - 21/11 no rings
3. D'Angelo - 16/7/8 3 rings
4. Okafor - 22/11 no rings
5. Mudiay - 15/6/6 no rings
>>64176150
Not the same faggot, different faggot. And I've told it several times on celtic game threads.
>>64176268
She already read it
>>64176215
I'm missing out on what is hopefully the death of the three pointer
His threes are boring
>>64176225
How to suck my dick
>>64176310
>white people
>>64175067
Weak draft? This draft is elite senpai
>>64176316
I literally don't care about your memes but you can have some of my pity
>>64176178
Fuck then
Warriors confirmed for winning until Xmas
Give them a 60% chance of beating the cavs
Will probably beat them and take the streak to 40
wish i had a gf lads
>>64176406
Tbh refs will let the cavs win if it's close
>>64176297
So D'Angelo will head to the Warriors after his rookie deal to win his rings?
>>64176520
WHO is this bum and what happened to him?
>>64176772
He's right, refball is real, and if you're a raptors fan you know this better than anyone.
Pacers vs Pistons should be fun tonight lads
>>64176801
I know he's right, im just keking around. And no I am no Craptors fan leld
>>64176734
no
but he will win them while him and simmons are in their primes after curry ded and popovich ded
>>64176913
You should be. Pretty good year to bandwagon them with derozan hitting shots and lowry all skinny. When Jonas comes back things will be big.
>>64176970
also leroids
When it's all said and done will AD be the GOAT PF?
>>64176980
I prefer Biyombo a lot more desu, Val is kinda redundant and Bismack gives you ELITE rim protection
>>64176980
Not a bandwagoner, I stay with my team through good and bad. Yall niggaz better recognize
>>64176980
Jonas to be all-start in two years
>>64176299
>And I've told it several times on celtic game threads
if i knew that i wouldnt be asking you, you kek
Did anyone see Randle last night? Dude cannot play basketball at all.
>>64177017
Too early to tell but uh
Jared dudley shut him down last night so
>>64176503
you too??
>>64177057
Kek off! Tbh, thats my usual response. It's just a lot of shit to write.
>>64175981
lol then enjoy you zero taste you stupid fucking bitch ha ha ha
you'll tell your fucking half-black grandchildren about how you loved Curry
what movie should i watch tonight anons elf or gremlins
>>64176316
You're boring. I bet you like watching fags like KD, Westbroke and LeBust. I bet you jerk off to James Harden foul shooting.
>>64177029
Norway anon, fuck you for picking a bad team. That being said I like your guts. You're alright in my books.
>>64176980
Jonas is trash
Does anyone here actually support a team apart from Canakeks and various foreigners?
>>64177258
Don't know if I count as a various foreigner but I'm Nuggets for life.
>>64177258
most people don't get to pick and choose their teams britbong
>>64177258
Detroiiiiiiiiiiiit Basketbaaaaaaaaaaallllllll
>>64177280
I think we are various foreigners. Although the guy has a point. Outside of the trips, most of the fans truly loyal to one team posting here are foreigners. Strange.
>>64177306
I don't support anyone
>>64177258
Long, long LONG suffering Wolves fan here.
>>64177247
>>64177026
But anons, there is a weezer song about him, so he must be good.
Also:
>this fucking trade thing I made forever ago for biyombo
>>64177340
>most of these anonymous fans don't stick with their teams except for these anonymous foreign fans
do you realize what you sound like?
>>64177258
I don't even watch sports I haven't turned on a television in years
>>64177340
Basketball has the most varied personalities and characters in any American sport, and also the intimate. I'm sure most people here have a team they support and cheer for but some teams don't have any fun players to really follow.
My Pistons for example, it's a bunch of boring nobodies just how SVG wants it
>>64177441
>drummond
>nobody
I wish nobodies like this played for my team.
>>64177483
he's a beast but pretty autistic
>>64177514
>tfw he has a phd
Deandre Jordan is a shit defender
>>64177483
Drummond stopped being interesting once that Disney girl dumped him for being black.
I love the guy, he's a beast, but like anon said he's autistic.
I used to watch Sheed nigga, I can't be doing with Stanley Johnson and Steve Blake
>>64177527
he's also trash at everything that isn't catching a lob
>>64177638
>he just had a putback dunk
Question since I probably missed the threads earlier: Why the fuck did the &^ers double down and give an extension to their coach with a 30-150 record? It makes literally no sense and he hasn't proven he can coach a damn at all.
>>64177671
>poorly thrown lob
>>64177694
he seems like a decent coach. nobody could win the living fecal matter they portray as nba players
>>64177638
He's a good rebounder
>>64177694
They legitimately might have the worse roster of all time
>>64177694
This is the &^ers. If he had won MORE they would have fired him
>>64177804
he's not even a good rebounder....the clippers are like bottom three in defensive rebounding and he gets caught in bad position
>>64177694
Imagine how much it would cost them to pay a good coach to take over the 76ers.
>>64161598
>Good things about the Dallas Mavericks
Based Dirk, the most entertaining championship run I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing, always play team ball, cool uniforms/logo, Rick Carlisle plays piano, Mark Cuban is funny
>Bad things about the Dallas Mavericks
Associated with Dallas or Texas as a whole
Are detroit one of the legit top supported clubs on /sp/?
Bit freaky but I love my pistons.
REGGIE FOR ALLSTAR
>>64168033
this dick.
>>64177408
seeing as your a dc sports fan, no one is surprised
>>64178079
drummond probably has a legit chance to make it
but reggie, no
>>64178413
reggie should be an all star 100% and i'm not even a detroit fan
>>64176049
Woah, hey guys, welcome to Rare Flag games.
Paul Pierce heat check vs Nets
>>64178413
it would be outrageous if drummond didnt make it, what center is better than drummond right now in the west?
>>64161598
We all supported you when you embarrassed lelbron. Now mavs fans have taken it as a free pass to be as annoying as possible all the time.
>>64178463
Draymond Green is the only one I can think of who rivals him but he's in the Western Conference so Drummond should make it.
>>64178433
Even though Wall is shook as fuck hes still better than Reggie, and Lowry is better than both of them this season.
There can only be 4 guards on the roster right? Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, John Wall....actually you may be right, Reggie could be the 4th best guard in the East. I would say it's a toss-up between Reggie, Kemba, DeMar, and Beal. Kyrie hasn't played so he's excluded.
>>64178413
Drummond might be the best center in the nba right now
Jackson is like, above average I guess, not an all star
>>64178079
yes they are
why do you like the pistons Big Bong
>>64178583
beal is ded
>>64178583
Kemba is lowkey having a really good season, but that Detroit team heavily relies on Jackson/Drummond
>>64178079
b-but the pistons suck. i hate them since 2004
>Losing to the LA Kucks
I get Hollins sucks dick for a living, but pick up the pace already.
>>64178611
i got into basketball in 2004 and thought they were based. stuck with them ever since.
i'd love to go to a game one day (and instantly leave detroit)
>>64178660
>germany
>hating teamwork and defense
>the state of beal's right fibula
>>64176316
seriously. 3pt shot was and still is a gimmick. time to widen the court, and move the line back or get rid of arbitrary point increases. it was fun while it lasted, but now its just ruining basketball.
>>64178695
Detroit is actually incredibly fucking awesome, Neville. I've met a lot of Brits and Irish there who love it. Auburn Hills is a good forty miles away anyways.
>>64178729
You dumb faggots realize moving the 3-point shot back would only HELP THE FUCKING WARRIORS
jesus you morons should stick to hockey and football
>>64178729
>gimmick
the word you're looking for is 'meme'
John Wall up to his old tricks again.
>>64178729
The warriors are an anomaly, the three point shot is fine. Anyway it's good because it's all about ball movement now. More skilled players too.
>>64178787
>You dumb faggots realize moving the 3-point shot back would only HELP THE FUCKING WARRIORS
I've been saying this for like a month, it just gives Curry a monopoly on 3 pt shooting.
>>64178707
not true. i love the game of the spurs, but everybody at my school jumped on the pistons bandwagon when they defeated the lakers in 2004
>>64178583
I'd say Isiah Thomas deserves it over Reggie Jackson as well, dude is breaking out this year.
>>64178787
not if you move it back more than a few feet and get rid of corner 3 autism
>>64178841
Well you're hating on your peers not the Pistons. Change your life up homie. Pistons are the last team to win without a superstar.
CLIPPER VS NETS FIGHT
>>64178885
Curry will just bomb it from 40 you stupid bastard
>>64178885
so you think making curry become the only player in the NBA that could hit a 3 somehow helps other teams and hurts the warriors?
autism
Who does /nba/ got, McGregor or Aldo?
/mcgregor/ here
>>64178939
webm?
>>64178819
they arent an anomaly, they are a blueprint. teams will only keep shooting more 3s and developing more strategies based around 3pt shooting the longer it persists. centers are already becoming obsolete unless they are top-tier players or can run the floor like AD. stretch pf's will only continue to rise in relevance, and in 10 years when all the young players of today who have games built around 3pt shooting start coming into the league, things will keep snowballing.
>Thaddeus Young
>>64179115
>they are a blueprint
yeah let's just find two top ten shooters of all time and the most versatile set of wings a team has ever assembled.
Get the fuck outta here.
>>64179062
Aldo
>>64179080
>Thaddeus Young and Redick were tangled
>Young pushes Redick to ground
>DJ gets in Youngs face
>DJ technical and Young Flagrant 1
https://streamable.com/xyxm
Moving the 3 point line isn't going to stop meme spamming or the Warriors. I actually like the meme point revolution that Curry has started, because it's showing how important good defense is. The Celtics raped Curry last night on every possession, I've never seen Jae Crowder, Evan Turner, or Avery Bradley put so much effort collective effort into guarding a player.
As a result, Curry shot less than 35% from the field and Draymond/Bogut had to pick up the slack for him. Meme shooting will only be stopped from great anti-meme defense, something that the NBA has lacked since the early 2000s.
Offense only chuckers are going to die out in favor of efficient 3-and-D guys, and that makes me happy.
YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND.
>>64179115
spurs have already successfully kicked off the post-warriors era if you haven't noticed it yet
>>64179222
The game is constantly evolving my man. People that want to remove the 3 point line are basketball commies.
>>64178968
he wont be the only player who can hit 3's. everybody's 3pt% will go down, including meme Curry. curry isnt the only reason the warriors are a 3pt team.
>>64179222
>entire team of olympic level athletes devoted themselves to stopping one team, one MAN, and they still fucking lost at home
Holy Fucking Shit, The Warriors are EASILY the most based team I have ever seen in my life since Jordan's 95-96 season
>>64179222
they played good defense on curry for sure, but don't act like having to start ian clarke and brandon rush didn't fuck up the spacing for the warriors. he still ended up with 38 points and a near triple double
>>64179311
You're stupid
>>64179311
I don't think you realize how much harder it is to hit a 3 from a few feet behind the line, or how easy it somehow is for Curry
>>64179345
They are a fantastic team, every single player on the team contributes every single night. Curry got locked up so Draymond went to work all night and Bogut played his best game of the season. And when Bogut/Draymond can't play well, they usually have Thompson/Iggy/Barnes/Ezeli/Livingston to back them up. They have so many versatile pieces and work so well together they literally have no weaknesses. Moving the 3 point line back isn't going to change any of that.
>>64179222
so what you're saying is...that this isn't the ERA of meme point shooting..it is the rise of THE DEFENSE ERA!
games will be low scoring games like 80 pts will be high scoring according to the new standards.
kawhii leonard will become a meme.
i like where this is going.
A coach with a 25% win record with the team got an extension
Fuck off Philly
>>64179634
nah that guy's an ijit
>>64179791
what's an ijit?
>tfw your shoulders have more hair than andre drummonds
>>64179671
It's not his fault his FO is purposely giving him shit players
>>64179839
an idiot, i was just meming
>>64179853
>purposely giving him shit players
>Has a team of lottery picks and still can't win for shit
>>64179925
Like 2 lotto picks senpai
>>64179851
actually disgusting
>>64179925
>implying lottery picks means shit
>implying 2 out of the last 3 haven't been injured
>>64168033
a less disappointing son
>>64179925
anthony bennett was a lottery pick
>Not voting for Kobe
>Tips fedora
>/nba/ bandwagons lebron when he's up 2-1
>Warriors haven't lost since
How can one thread be so BTFO
>>64179270
It has evolved to be more and more meme shooting. Eventually teams will shoot half their shots from 3 just like last year's all star game.
>>64180239
lmao they have literally been waiting 27 games for curry to lose
>>64180195
The shittiest votes ever
>>64180195
I hope they discard your awful votes
>>64180195
your east is good but replace butler with Dwade
cp3 hasnt done shit this season, replace him and replace blake griffin, they are good but havent been worthy of all star status this year...
put in kawhii leonard and rondo....
other than those players, our all star voting was exactly the same.
>>64180279
that was more because of the awful meme hawks having too many players there (more than 0)
>>64180379
>Blake
>Not worthy of All Star Status
he's having his best season and has been an all star every previous season
>>64180379
Seriously, give me one reason these aren't all star numbers?
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2015/12/11/20151211-gt-smittys-top-plays.nba/
dat rondo
>>64180379
your opinions are garbage
>>64180491
Hes a choking ginger
>>64180491
Should have at least 1.0 bpg desu
>>64180580
Blocks and steals are meme stats
>>64180621
wew lad
>>64180637
Unless you're averaging 4+ a game of one of them then it really isn't that big a deal
Same with turnovers. If you're averaging around 3 or less you're fine. Any more than like 3.5 it's a bit of a problem
>>64180683
Retarded as shit desu
>>64180683
Averaging 3 turnovers means you're a liability on offense and blocks prevent baskets whether or not they are going in. 1 block might mean a trip to the other side for 2 more points.
>>64176503
>>64177092
don't we all?
what's klay thompson's status for tonight bros ?
>>64177527
>1st team all defense
>shit defender
k
>>64180789
i haven't had a gf since 2008
