Is Zizou the most overrated player in the history of soccer?
Pele exists
that's not götze
Scholes
'no'
Pele and Kahn off the top of my head
and when it comes to recent ones - Neuer and C. Ronaldo
People only hate Zidane because they hate to see a handsome Muslim succeed
>>63997567
Dude nobody even rates him. Seriously fuck off with your German shit player. Do you ever watch anything other than Bundesliga? Why would you even think that people rate him unless you only watch Sport1?
>>63997589
>2 great goalies
>overrated
How? You seem mad that Britain only has shit tier goalies because it's always the fat bloke who's a shit player you put in goal.
Yes he is, nowhere near top 5 of all time like most of these kids claim. Maybe top 50 tho and that's being generous.
>>63997592
calm down, reus
>>63997521
No, this man was a fucking genius who could easily change the outcome of any game when he was in form, which was most often than not in Juve, but not as often in Madrid.
Madrid fans tend to overrate him, and dismiss the fact that his best years were at Turin.
>>63997603
Seriously what has he accomplished?
>world cup
He was invisible until the final and benefited from Ronaldo being ill, also Nike conspiracy theory etc.
It was the dirtiest world cup win in history. That's Zizou's legacy.
>euros
Played at a time when every European country bar Holland was a team of literally whos.
>1 CL
Madrid bought up all the competition, of course they'd win something.
What else has he accomplished at club level? Fucking nothing.
>>63997601
>lemon key face
and
>le smug sweeper keeper
they're both good keepers tho, I'm just saying they are massively overrated
>>63997521
Schweinsteiger is
>>63997521
Zlatan
>>63997521
That would be Beckham tßh.
>>63997679
>No
>this man was a fucking genius who could easily change the outcome of any game when he was in form, which was most often than not in Juve, but not as often in Madrid
Your arguments doesn't validate your "no". Your just explaining why he was a great player.
Donaldo is a great player, but he's clearly overrated.
>>63997689
How long have you been watching football? Really, because only a fucking 15 year old would say something like that.
>not knowing of based Juventus in the late 90's, where Zizou was the fucking man.
Your life literally sucks, Oliver.
>>63997689
delusional
>>63997521
Yes fuck his terrorist face.
Nah, that's Scholes
>>63997791
Scoring against Neverkusen isn't an accomplishment desu.
>>63997781
>Juve in the late 90s
Oh you mean, that Juve, that got relegated for the biggest fucking corruption scandal in the history of the sport?
That Juve that paid refs and clubs to make money for the Italian mob who placed bets accordingly?
Yes, Zizou is truly the GOAT.
No, Beckham is
/thread
>>63997781
>not knowing of based Juventus in the late 90's, where Zizou was the fucking man.
You mean the Juve that choked away two consecutive CL finals and had a 22 years old Alessandro Del Piero regularly outperforming their "star"
>>63997871
That was in the mid 2000s, I know you weren't alive in the 90s but that mid Juve side was GOAT, only thing he's wrong about is saying Zidane was the man in the team because he wasn't
No, Cristiano Ronaldo is.
/thread
according to /sp, everyone is overrated
there's no single player that this board appreciates without calling him a meme player.
>>63997836
he said:
>Madrid bought up all the competition, of course they'd win something.
>Zidane literally scored the world class winning goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E29US24FvXM
zidane playing: win france a world cup and an euro
zidane not playing : france BTFO by senegal out from the group stage
zidane playing : france playing the WC final
zidane not playing : france lost that final
pierre, your NT without zidane is albania tier
>>63998020
That's actually a sign of a healthy board and conversation. Instead of sticking to "expert opinions", people have their own ratings and so of course some people think certain players are shit and others don't.
>>63998034
>Comparing that 98 French side with the 06 one
Francois, kill yourself
>>63997521
NO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7mXGMcpA0g
he had that legend aura
>>63997871
You're so fucking stupid, not surprised from a Turk.
>>63998020
>>63998055
no it's not. it's not constructive criticism, it's merely saying stuff like "blooter" "overrated" "shit" "deluded"
there needs to be a consenzus on at least a top 10 of players that by /sp's standards aren't overrated, and everyone that criticises players like zidane, ronaldo etc should get their list of top 10, non-overrated players so the rest of the board can judge him whether he's shitposting or just retarded
>>63998062
>tripfag telling anybody to kill themselves
Self-reflection is dead, I see.
>>63998107
system babby
>>63998101
>>63997997
>ad hom
Literally nothing for you to attack except my age? I'm older than you probably.
>>63998071
>he had that legend aura
This hits it in the head but your conclusion is wrong. He had this aura of majesty and elegance that often translated into nothing tangible which made him look better than he really was. even most of that video are just some fancy touches and dribbles around the halfway line.
Top 10 player I've ever seen? Yes
GOAT contender? No
>>63998110
>>63998128
>>63998055
this is exactly what i'm talking about
how is this valid criticism? you could deconstruct every single player like this and we would reach a conclusion not a single player is properly rated, or even good for that matter.
everyone is shit to /sp
>>63997574
this
>>63998128
>Zidane wins trophies with great players on his team
>OMG GOAT
>Messi wins trophies with great players on his team
>doesn't count, system babby
kill yourself
>>63998188
Scholes wins both categories - most underrated during his career and most overrated after his retirement
>>63998144
Nice dubs but I don't know senpai, that statement about 90s Juventus suggests you weren't around at the time, I don't know why people go on about him as if he was Kaka Milan tier at Juve though, he wasn't
>>63998126
>>>/b/
>>63998193
>Zidane
>wins trophies in multiple teams, multiple leagues, at both club and NT level, in a time when there was more parity in football
>Messi
>wins trophies with only one team, a team he's been at since 7 years old, that's always been a top 3 team since the very beginning of his career and only ever had one competitor in the league apart from one freak season when there was two
Messi is a luxury player. Zidane elevated those around him.
>>63998264
you just proved his point you absolute shitter
>>63998020
Your posts are overrated.
>>63998264
>>wins trophies in multiple teams, multiple leagues,
What has he won except the CL at Madrid bro?
>implying Serie A counts
90s it was a 1 team league.
>>63998144
You made a stupid, factually incorrect and objectively WRONG statement and you expect to be taken seriously?
Fuck off.
>o-older than you!
>mixes up events literally decades apart
Again, fuck off.
>>63998264
France was the most talented NT in the world in 98 and 00, Juventus was the best team in the world in late 90s (they won the CL the season before Zidane got there) and Madrid were the most talented team of the early 00s.
And the 09 Barcelona was a completely different team from 15 Barcelona. Except for Messi, only 2 other players started both of those finals. Not sure how does it count as only one team
>>63998347
Why are you bullying me? Stop
>>63998166
It's not. Valid criticism is what you decide it is to you. If someone just blurts out memes, you fucking disregard his opinion immediately and move on. A consensus on that just hurts discussion. Go to other sports boards and try to criticise popular players and stupid shit will drown out any proper discussion, because people still think of their memes but try to hide it and tl;dr you with trash. Hell, go to /v/ and try to talk about anything they don't like and you will get the dubs treatment. Here, you just ignore the memeing idiots and talk to the ones that have good points.
>>63998264
messi has more assists than anyone else as well as goals though.
penaldo is by far the most overrated player ever.
>>63998336
>90's it was a one league team
Okay, confirmed shitposter. Nothing to see here. I'm not that faggot, I'm the faggot telling you you're a Turkish underageb&.
Fuck off, shitposter-kun :3
>>63998374
>>63998384
Just out of curiosity, who was this "one league team" in the 90's for SA?
>>63998419
AC Juve
>>63998447
So, you admit it wasn't a one league team? Okay, cool. Shitposter, as I thought.
>>63998458
It's been established he doesn't know, now I suggest you stop bullying before you're arrested for hate crimes against immigrants
>>63998458
No, I'm just humoring you, because you're stupid enough to believe 90s Serie A was anything but a series dominated by cheating Turin. They bought everyone.
>more overrated than Pele, Penaldo, and Rooney
C'etait impossible
>>63998352
>France was the most talented NT in the world in 98 and 00, Juventus was the best team in the world in late 90s (they won the CL the season before Zidane got there) and Madrid were the most talented team of the early 00s.
France were behind Brazil, Holland, Italy and Argentina for most talented of that era. I think you're forgetting they won the WC with Dugarry and Guivarch as their forwards.
Juventus were one of the best teams in the late 90s, but they weren't far ahead of anyone like Messi's Barca was/is. And Real Madrid collapsed after the 02/03 season when they got rid of Hierro and Makelele and replaced them with the likes of Woodgate and Gravesen.
>>63998372
Peter Crouch has more PL assists than Dennis Bergkamp. Assists are a useless statistic.
>>63998489
>Dennis Bergkamp
Another overrated shitter.
>>63997781
>based Juventus in the late 90's, where Zizou was the fucking man
third-most overrated:
>pele
>cristiano ronaldo
>zidane
sergio busquets is so much better than zidane it's unreal
>>63998489
>I think you're forgetting they won the WC with Dugarry and Guivarch as their forwards.
And I think you're forgetting that Barthez - Thuram, Blanc, Desailly, Lizarazu is the best NT defense of all time. France literally never lost a game when they started them together and they also had one of the GOAT DMs in front of them. Those 5 players are the main reason why France won that WC, not Zidane.
>Real Madrid collapsed after the 02/03 season when they got rid of Hierro and Makelele and replaced them with the likes of Woodgate and Gravesen.
So two players leave and Zidane can no longer win titles? Confirmed for Makelele babby.
In all seriousness though, he literally never won a title without Deschamps or Makelele playing alongside him in midfield, two top 3 DMs of all time
>>63998480
90s Serie A was stacked as fuck. There were proper world class players spread out through about 8 different teams.
Juventus were cheats though, fucking refballing Inter in the 97/98 season and robbing Ronaldo of his deserved league title.
>>63998480
Shitposter.
So, Barsei, Costacurta, Maldini, Weah, Kluivert, Boban, Leonardo, Ziege, Desailly, Ayala... Just from AC Milan isn't a good.
As I said, shitposter.
>>63998611
He's a shitposter. Stop replying to him.
>>63998611
>>63998677
IT'S BEEN OBVIOUS HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S ON ABOUT
STOP REPLYING TO HIS WEAK BAIT, FUUUUUCK
>>63998611
>90s Serie A was stacked as fuck. There were proper world class players spread out through about 8 different teams.
It was a very weird league. It was absolutely stacked with world class players but had very few world class teams. Juventus was probably the only truly world class team of the bunch, Milan never made it out of CL group stage during Zidane's time in Serie A (also they had 2 seasons outside of top 10 IIRC), Inter was just Ronaldo + a bunch of overpaid stars who never formed a real team, while Roma, Lazio, Fiorentina and Parma were a tier behind the European elite (none of them had any real CL success)
>>63998677
>Shitposter.
Stop calling me that
>>63998763
Stop posting shit then.
>>63998677
Just because you're able to list some good players from that team doesn't make them good. Milan were going through a relative crisis in late 90s. After reaching the CL final 5 times in 88-95, they failed to make it out of the group stage until 2003 when they won it.
No, Rooney or C. Ronaldo is the most overrated
>>63998720
>It was a very weird league. It was absolutely stacked with world class players but had very few world class teams
Nah, they were world class for the time. Maybe not if you compare them to modern Barca or Bayern, but teams then couldn't just hoover up every top talent.
In the 90s an Italian team featured in 7 out of 10 CL finals, and 9 out of 10 UEFA cup finals.
>>63997521
Literally only relevant because he headbutted that poor man, just like how Maradona is only relevant because he cheated by using his hand
>>63998796
You can't say he's posting shit when he's posting best girl.
>>63998832
Does anyone even rate Rooney nowadays?
>>63998857
>In the 90s
Irrelevant, we're talking late 90s, which were much different from early 90s when Serie A was by far the best in the world and AC Milan were one of the best ever teams.
No Italian team other than Juve made the CL semi final in the 96-02 period and just 2 times there was a Italian quarterfinalist other than Juve. Let that sink in for a second, all those supposedly world class teams amounted to 2 quarterfinal appearances in 7 seasons.
Late 90s Serie A had a world class Juve team and a bunch of very strong but far from world class teams
>>63998815
He claimed it was a one team league with only Juventus being the good team.
This is factually incorrect. Lots of teams are great, or 'stacked' as /sp/ calls it, who don't win regularly. City and Chelsea are probably the most easy to list in EPL, when they have billions spent on their team and can't win year in year out multiple titles. The fact Arselel has won the FA Cup two years in a row supports this fact, if they can fucking do it, then why the fuck can't City and Chelsea?
>>63998976
>This is factually incorrect. Lots of teams are great, or 'stacked' as /sp/ calls it, who don't win regularly. City and Chelsea are probably the most easy to list in EPL, when they have billions spent on their team and can't win year in year out multiple titles. The fact Arselel has won the FA Cup two years in a row supports this fact, if they can fucking do it, then why the fuck can't City and Chelsea?
What? This just proves my point that a team can have many good players and still not be a good team
>>63998964
Let's put it this way, mate. If the team names AC Milan, Juventus, Inter, Roma and Lazio in the 90's and early 2000's, you were in for a fight. Hell, even Parma was a risk when Crespo and Zola were there.
>>63999023
My point was
Success =! Stacked Team.
There were more stacked teams in Italy than anywhere else on the planet and only one person can win the league and cup every season.
>>63999093
I'm not denying that. They were all very good teams and all of them had some all time greats on their squads.
I'm just saying that none of them were as good as Juventus or other elite European clubs at that time.
>>63999115
>There were more stacked teams in Italy than anywhere else on the planet and only one person can win the league and cup every season.
Then why weren't they going far in the CL? When the EPL had the most stacked teams in the late 00s only United and Chelsea were winning league titles but Liverpool and Arsenal were regularly going far in the CL. 3 English teams in the semi and 4 in the quarters was something that happened regularly. Why didn't it happen with that Serie A?
>>63998011
he's the most overrated person in the world
>>63998914
>You can't say he's posting shit when he's posting best girl.
France pls adopt
>Tsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
>Be Zidane
>Win the World Cup (score twice during the final), win the Euro, win the Champions League (score a legendary goal during the final), win the Ballon d'Or, win La Liga, win everyfuckingthing
>Send France to another WC final
>Score a panenka against the world's best goalkeeper in the world, headbutt that guy, red card for your very last match
He is overrated of course but come on, he's a legend still.
>>63998590
>Sergio Busquets better than Zidane
How do you manage to turn on your computer with such low perception skills
>>64010941
They shouldn't even be compared. Two completely different kinds of midfielder. Busquets is perfect at his role, but he's not a game changer. You can only really compare Zidane with Iniesta.
>pele
>overrated
he was retardedly ahead of everyone else while he was playing. Just because the game "evolved" years later (bullshit btw) doesn't take away anything from his era.
No, that would be Wayne Rooney
>>64011711
He was exceptional, I just don't think he was the greatest player of all time. That was Maradona.
Never thought I'd argue that TO an Argentine, wew.
>>64011894
I think it was Maradona too, but Pele is not widely rated as "The Best". He's most often put into top2 interchangeably at the highest, top5 at the lowest. It's rare that someone would conclusively state that Pele > Maradona, and at that point differentiating between two legitimate top3 players isn't overrating anyone.
>>64011942
Also I frequently read around here people talking as if Pele was some sort of fraud who made an image out of marketing, and you have to bear with ridiculous claims like Garrincha or Didi (LOL) were better.
If anything, Pele's been getting underrated in /sp/ recent times.
Yes
He choked more big games than he won, but he gets a big game player tag because of the lelerkusen goal and the WC Final.
He's like England. Shit.
>Win CL
>Zidane comes
>Choke 2 finals
LE ZIDANE IS A BIG GAME PLAYER. DID YOU NOT SEE THAT COMPLETELY USELESS FIRST TOUCH FLICK HE DID?!?! WOW WHAT A PLAYER.
>>64011711
>Football has not evolved
lel, but I'm pretty sure if Pele was around nowadays he would still be able to adapt to it a be a World Class player.
>>64012011
people here rate Beckenbauer and Cruyff as some kind of Gods, yet they played in similar era as Pele and achieved far less, not to mention no witness would put those players above him.
/sp/ just dislikes black people
>>64012469
Only thing that really changed is more players participate on defense than before, which changes the game as far as stats and phases but doesn't fundamentally alter the skillset required nor modifies the basic notions of good play. Sure, the best player back then had more impact on average than the best player now but that doesn't have anything to do with how good they actually were with the ball.
>>63998020
Who is Suarez?
Wow this thread again? Now I understand why this board became so slow nowadays.
>>64012719
>playing the race card on 4chan
Is dis nigga serious
>>64012719
Your just here to stir shit. I see you always post this "MUH BLACK PEOPLE".
I've only seen like 10 posts where people say Beckenbauer or Cruyff were the best of all time and no one else in football really does and that's why they don't get blasted as much for being overrated and even when people do say that Beckenbauer is the best they are lambasted for shitposting.
