How highly do you rate this man? One of the best ever at CM for me.
above Kaká
why do Catalan cunts have no hairline
>>63891578
too much testosterone.
>>63891566
Agreed. Iniesta is pretty damn good.
Wish he'd play for United and leave that lesser side barca
Just above Deco, Rui Costa and Aimar, but below Zidane, Laudrup and Scholes
>>63891858
>scholes
love this meme
>>63891858
>zudane
>scholes
same
>>63891858
scholes lol thanks for the laugh m8
>nobody ever mentions the fact he literally scored the winning goal in a world cup final
life as a midfielder is suffering
>>63891858
>scholes
Every time
>>63891858
Scholes is a Reddit meme.
Laudrup>Iniesta=Xavi>>Zidane
I really enjoy watching Iniesta it really reminded me of Laudrup, but he's just not as good. This is coming from an oldfag who watched Laurdrup.
>won multiple cl and domestics
>winning goal in a wc final
>the heart of the best team ever
greatest midfielder of all time desu
Out of all the midfielder I saw, zidane is probably the only one I would rate above him
spanish paul scholes
>>63892503
this desu
also underrated: Totti
Laudrup/Iniesta- Actually help the team most of the time. Laudrup a bit more lazy than Iniesta. Known for their ability to hold onto the ball well and world class passing ability.
Zidane- Known mostly for fancy first touchesand a meme headbutt. Go invisible in most big club games. GOAT in big games for Country
Laudrup and Iniesta are definitely a lot better than Zidane and I have seen them all play.
Better than Scholes. Maybe Slippy G level on a good day. Basically identical to Lampard if Lampard played with 3 forwards in front of him all his career.
>>63893261
>tf
>tt
>>63893283
He's taken English banter as his own and you still cannot understand English joking banter
>tf
>tt
>>63893283
someone's furious the roided up spic manlets are being called out by a country with authority on soccer
>>63891858
>scholes
I got to admit, british humour has its moments.
English here
Only Man United fans believe the Scholes meme. So they basically aren't English they are Pakis who came to England.
One of the GOATS. Better and more consistent than Zidane.
And the only people who believe that Scholes is GOAT are 16 year old ManU bandwagoners who have only seen him play for 2-3 years
So Scholes is the English Pirlo?
>>63893551
>underrated in his prime
>becomes way overrated in his twilight years and after retirement
Yes.
>Dedicates the biggest and most iconic moment of his career to his dead friend
A touch of class
>better than Zidane
Iniesta is a system babby. Zidane succeeded in multiple teams, leagues and systems.
Like Zidane but with less chimpouts, more trophies and more consistency.
I hate the fact that no one appreciates a one club man now. They call them a system babby because they were successful. I think it's more them being loyal to the club that basically made their careers eg Messi, Iniesta and Le Tissier. Le Tiss never won anything though so is not called a system babby and he's definitely not as good as Messi and Iniesta lel.
>>63893673
Would you say that he was a complete success at Juventus?
>>63893673
>Zidane succeeded in multiple teams, leagues and systems
Depends how do you define succeeded. He joined Juventus when they were the best team in Europe (literally straight after their CL win), won just 2 league titles in 5 years and wasn't even the best player on that team.
Then he joins Real as they become the most stacked team in Europe and proceeds to win 1 league title and 1 CL in 5 years.
I wouldn't call those total successes
Overrated shit like Xavi.
>Le make easy passes so must be GOAT men
>la sideways pass to the GOAT or if it fails fall down man
not even top 10 CM all time
>>63893880
Serie A was very competitive then though. More so than any league today, especially La Liga.
And Real stopped being the most stacked team in Europe when the 02/03 season ended, getting rid of Hierro and Makelele and replacing them with shit. From then on the team was a mess, and not comparable with the billion pound super teams Real and Barca are today.
>>63893895
more like
>le score WC winner man
>le man of the match in CL final man
>le man of the match in Euro final man
>le Euro player of the tournament man
>le 4 time CL winner man
>le 7 time league champion man
He's in the all time GOAT XI
>>63893952
that's xavi. xavi is overrated shit
>>63893992
>Winning all of this with Barca & Spain
Shelvey could do the same.
>>63893995
lolno
that AM position is the most stacked out of all the positions, and no way does he get in over Maradona, Cruyff, Zico, Platini etc.
>>63893952
It's okay to be upset, Bayern won't win the treble this year either :^)
>>63891578
He isnt catalan cunt. Is manchego, from the land of Don Quijote
A short legged Zidane that can't finish.
>>63892503
Zidane Ballon d'Ors = 3
Laudrup, Iniesta and Xavi combined Ballon d'Ors = 0 (zero)
>>63894158
He's not really comparable to Zidane in style.
He's basically M.Laudrup v2.0, only shorter and slower.
>>63894195
>Balon D'ors
Literally just a popularity contest. Of course shit skins around the world like Zidane more and shitskins know nothing about football.
>>63894195
>Zidane Ballon d'Ors = 3
>lying to make your nostalgia babby look better
He has one Ballon d'Or
>>63894276
Tbf he has 1 Balon D'or and 2 Player of the Year's
>>63894276
Well the current Ballon d'Or is just a rebranded FIFA WPOTY award, which he has 3 of. So if we're talking legit Ballon d'Ors then Messi and Cristiano only have 1 each too.
>Attacking midfielders
>Overrated
I suppose you think good football is just a fast nigger running down the wing in a straight line so he can cross it into the box and hope a big lad scores with his head, right?
>>63894328
Except that the legit Ballon d'Or was awarded for the entirety of Zidane's career and stopped being awarded when Messi was 22 and Ronaldo 24
>>63894407
>thinking messi wouldn't have won them either way
piss off
Zidane is literally the biggest memer of all time, insanely overrated
>>63894477
Kraut bro knows what's up.
>>63894477
this desu
shit assister, shit key passer, underwhelming tactical awareness, went invisible in every final ever but 2
>>63894477
You're forgetting Ronaldinho.
Meme
>>63894531
kill you are shelf
>>63894528
>went invisible in every final ever but 2
This so much. This nigger lost more finals than he won and for some reason built this myth that he was a god in big games
>>63894531
young 2001 Dinho was better than Zidane and 2009 milan Dinho was still better than Zidane
>>63894477
>>63894531
Posts like these make me wish the board had the age limit raised from 18 to 25.
Wouldn't surprise me if you babbys think Neymar is already better than both.
>>63894606
current-form Nerman is better than Zidane ever was
Messi is a whole 3 tiers above Zidane, comparisons betwen them make me sick
>>63894528
>>63894579
football is a team game you mong
>>63894606
>out of legit arguments
>y-you probably t-think "insert ridiculous opinion that has nothing to do with the argument"
every time
>>63894628
>current-form Nerman is better than Zidane ever was
>>63894528
>underwhelming tactical awareness
top kek. I'm all for reevaluating the idols of our youth but saying this about Zidane of all people is dumb as shit.
>>63894634
And Zidane's teams were always some of the best in the world.
>>63894680
But he's right
>>63894680
https://streamable.com/ip7z
Neymar > Zidane. Zidane was never this consistently good.
>>63894700
Shut up, frogster, Zidane IS overrated. Platini, despite all the corruption is your true french GOAT.
Zidane is on the same level as Henry desu.
>>63894766
>same level as Henry
Henry was even better
Zidane is the perfect nostalgia babby. Everyone remembers his fantastic heights but with time everyone forgets the million games when his teams effectively played with 10 men.
>>63894700
a brit started that shit and now they're all following him, pretty funny when they've never produced a player of his class and suck the dicks of average players like le tissier, shearer or waddle
he's overrated like all the 80-90 players we grew up with(the R9, R Carlos, Van Basten etc...) but would still be part of a top 10
>>63894276
3 WPOTY awards though, which always had the better winners tbqh.
>'96 Ballon d'Or - Sammer
>'96 WPOTY - Ronaldo
>'01 Ballon d'Or - Owen
>'01 WPOTY - Figo
>'03 Ballon d'Or - Nedved
>'03 WPOTY - Zidane
>'04 Ballon d'Or - Shevchenko
>'04 WPOTY - Ronaldinho
If the Ballon d'Or was still voted for by those pretentious french journalists, Ribery would have won over Ronaldo/Messi a few years ago and Xavi would have won over Messi in 2010.
>>63894766
>highlight video
kek, typical hue
And lol at suggesting Nerman is already better than Henry too.
>>63894880
Nedved was better than Zidane that year though.
>>63894766
Are you implying Henry isnt a top 5 striker OAT?
>>63894878
>Shearer
>Average
Mon dieu
>>63894724
Yes, and so were the teams he faced in those finals. You won't find a single 'GOAT' tier player who won every final he played in.
Also none of his teams at club level were as dominant as recent Barca.
>>63894810
>Babby
I fucking love this word.
>>63894880
pre-96 Ballon D'Or: useless euro-only award with too much emphasis on team trophies
WPOTY > post-96 Ballon D'Or, I agree. Much better winners, who in their right mind could argue Sammer > Ronaldo in 96 or Owen deserved one at all? Too much bias towards players of certain nationalities, and again, too much emphasis on team trophies.
Ballon D'Or WPOTY: into the trash it goes. Why did they get rid of the rule that said coaches could not vote for players of their nationalities? And why didn't they make it so players can't vote their teammates, for club or NT?
Current prize is a total sham, even worse than before.
Besides, I'm all for clearly defined boundaries: a team is judged in competitions by performing as a team, so it's only logical players should be judged individually in individual awards. When you blur the lines, shit like Sammer > Ronaldo or Hazard > Donaldo begins to happen.
Also Messi was robbed of the 2012 award.
>>63894878
>>63894700
>Algerians
Zidane is nowhere near a top 10
Xavi
Messi
Figo
CR7
Ronaldo
Maradona
Laudrup
Iniesta
Redondo
Ronaldinho
Van Basten
Cruyff
Baggio (Bit like Zidane, inconsistent, but on his day was better than Zidane)
Just a few players who are all better than Zidane compared to him in their respective positions.
>>63894766
>Zidane is on the same level as Henry desu.
i'm ok with this, henry was a s-tier player.
>Platini, despite all the corruption is your true french GOAT.
sure, he won us our only WC after all. he's lacazette or giroud-tier.
>>63894810
>Everyone remembers his fantastic heights but with time everyone forgets the million games when his teams effectively played with 10 men
you mean, like every good player?
like messi in the whole last WC beyond the group phase? like him in the whole copa america bar one game?
>b-b-but he's opening all these spaces, it's di maria/aguero/higuain/lavezzi/pastore/anyone other than messi fault
>>63894766
>https://streamable.com/ip7z
lol, what does this prove? Most of those passes were standard as fuck.
>>63895039
>Algerians
Platini and the Magic Square won "you" a EC when France was irrelevant tier almost as bad as England.
>>63895039
>he's lacazette or giroud-tier
come on, don't say dumb shit like that...
>>63895027
good post
>>63895155
>>63895123
nostalgia babbies detected. beauvue has a more cultured foot than platini in his prime. hell, fiorèse would've shat on him, but he played in an era where football was more advanced.
see? the anti-zidane taskforce basically sounds this retarded.
>>63895039
Henry is in the same class as Messi, phenomeno, iniesta and maradona
>>63895284
But Messi is above all the players you named.
>>63891858
>you
>>63895284
Back to your containment thread.
The ONLY player on Messi's level is Maradona. No other players can compare to these two.
>>63895345
By himself?
>>63891858
>scholes
>>63892503
Xavi > Laudrup/Iniesta
>>63893952
He's better than any German this side of Matthaus m8
>>63895356
Forgetting Pele?
Or do you not rate him as the true GOAT because hes black?
>>63895284
If you seriously think henry and messi are equally good I feel bad for you anon
>>63895356
Messi > Maradona and the distance is not even that small
>>63895387
In terms of passing ability and Freekicks I'd say Xavi was better than both Laudrup and Iniesta, but in about everything else Iniesta and Laudrup are better.
>>63895405
Youre overrating Messi and criminallly underratimg Henry because you dont like /arse/
>>63895398
>Pele
on top of being a fraud he lost his virginity to a boy
>>63895356
except maradona has also proved himself on the international stage and that's why argentines will always think maradona > lionel "pecho frio" messi
>inb4 international football is for casuals
>>63894528
>every final ever but 2
I can think of 3 off the top of my head. 2 World Cup finals which he scored in and was one of the most dangerous players on the pitch, plus a Champions League final which he won with one of the greatest goal's in that tournament's history.
>>63895398
KEK
Also it doesn't matter that he's black he's very overhyped, but I also just forgot about him. He's definitely top 10 of all time, unlike Zidane.
>>63895446
Fraud?
And what does that have to do with his footballing ability?
>>63895446
>on top of being a fraud he lost his virginity to a boy
wat
>>63895444
I grew up watching Henry play and score a shedload of goals for arsenal, trust me Messi>Henry any day of the week. There's a reason literally everyone sucks Messi's dick, and it's not because he's overrated af
>>63895444
m8 Henry himself would tell you he is nowhere near Messi.
So would Wenger and the rest of the world. Now pipe down child.
>>63895425
I agree that Messi is better, but Maradona was as good as Messi in some terms, but his consistency and finishing are nowhere near as good as Messi's
>>63895453
Modern International football is nowhere near the quality of club football. Winning a CL would be much harder than winning a World Cup if it was every our years.
>>63895503
>child
Lel you sure showed me
You seriously think Henry isnt a top 5 all time forward?
>>63895446
That's just some bullshit Maradroga said on TV.
Pelé still is the most dominant football player ever on relative terms to the athletes of his time, and the best player on absolute terms until Maradona came up.
Literally underrated nowadays.
>>63895565
>You seriously think Henry isnt a top 5 all time forward?
He is. And Messi is a top 1 all time player, hence better than Henry
>>63895565
pele, messi, di stefano, muller, ronaldo, cristiano
top 10 maybe
>>63895595
Right but i said they were the same TIER
Top 5 is a tier, no?
Now fuck off
>>63895505
>but his consistency and finishing are nowhere near as good as Messi's
No, but that can mostly be attributed to playing in a more defensive era and far less dominant teams.
This is why i don't like using stats when comparing players from different eras, because players from the 80s and 90s will always come off worse due to the nature of the game in that period.
>>63895544
yeah, because it's so hard to win that competition only 4 teams in the world has a legit shot at now, and with a team worth billions of $
>>63895565
nobody is denying that mate but just stating the obvious that he is nowhere near messi, messi is the one and only true goat and everyone that ever played the game is below him nowhere on the same level.
The closest one would be maradona
>>63895630
A lot of wingers there
>>63895675
And those 4 teams are better than any side that has played in a WOrld Cup.
>>63895544
Doubt it. 2 legged ties alone make the CL easier to win. In the WC you can't afford any fuck ups after the group stages.
>>63895274
>beauvue has a more cultured foot than platini in his prime
Tu quoi
>>63895630
>pele
>muller
>no van basten
>no sheva
>>63895675
It's much harder to win the modern CL than the old European Cup
>4 teams have a legit shot at the CL
>literally 5 different winners in the last 6 editions
>7 different winners in the last 10 editions (just one team won multiple titles)
>no one has ever won two in a row
>>63895705
>top 5 all time forward.
you should lay off the Fifa. They're all in the same lane as Henry.
>>63895808
>>63895733
>>63895544
You guys are confusing 2 entirely different things, let's set it straight:
- Club football is played at a much higher level than international football.
- The WC is much harder to win than the CL.
>>63895858
>- Club football is played at a much higher level than international football.
True
>- The WC is much harder to win than the CL.
True, but only because it's held once every 4 years
>>63891481
Poor mans Scholes
Scholes > Zidane > Lampard > Xavi > Keane > Gerrard > Iniesta
>>63895730
of course since they play the whole fucking year together, I've never said that overrall level isn't better in club football...
>>63892122
because South Africa was a shit world cup
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>>63895936
not even trying at this point
>>63895889
>True, but only because it's held once every 4 years
No, m8. Due to the very nature of the tournament:
Born in a country with little football tradition:
>CL: you can always join a good club
>WC: You are FUCKED.
Stuck in a team with a not-so-good roster this year:
>CL: it's okay, we can hire new players mid-season and there's always next eyar
>WC: You are FUCKED.
This player has so much potential but he's too young for the first-team right now/This player is too old, he's not on his prime anymore,
>CL: Well, next year the younglings will develop and the oldies can be replaces with new signings
>WC: what's that? You missed the one WC you had in your prime years due to injury/ban/not being called? You are FUCKED.
Oh no, 2 of our star players are injured!
>CL: it's alright, they'll be out for a month and be back in time for the playoffs!
>WC: You are FUCKED.
Our team lacks chemistry right now! Too many players haven't played with each other! This formation is new! The new coach's system still isn't perfect!
>CL: it's alright, they'll gel in the league and we'll be ready for the playoffs come January!
>WC: You are FUCKED.
Man, this weather/pitch/opposing fans/referee sucks!
>CL: it's okay, we're still in the group stage, plenty of points to recoup/it's okay, we still have the home game
>WC: You are FUCKED.
Oh no! We played poorly and slipped away the result!
>CL: it's okay, we're still in the group stage, plenty of points to recoup/it's okay, we still have the home game
>WC: 7x1, 5pa1n, >Higuaín, You have 1 (one) point.
>>63896183
Most of those points are a result of World Cup being held once every 4 years
>>63896416
Of being once every 4 years. And lasting a month. And being played by nations, not clubs, with no possiblity of team change.
So as I said, >>63896183
>Due to the very nature of the tournament:
aka inherently
>Henry anywhere near Messi's level
Henry isn't even as good as Suarez and Henry knows this
>all of these retards claiming scholes is/was a "meme"
holy shit, and you retards actually pretend you know anything about sawker?
>>63898511
He was a very good player who became way overrated because of underage United bandwagoners who read a bunch of fake quotes about him.
Yesterday, a Bangladeshi United/England NT bandwagoner (an actual Bangladeshi from Bangladesh, not a descendant of Bangladeshi immigrants) told me that Scholes was GOAT and that Englad would've dominated international football in 98-06 if we had used Scholes correctly.
He also refers to the English NT as we.
This is the kind of people who think Scholes was some kind of GOAT
>>63899516
>He was a very good player who became way overrated because of underage United bandwagoners who read a bunch of fake quotes about him.
This desu.
Nearly all those Scholes quotes are unsourced, if you look for the source you'll only find questionable fan-websites and tabloids, almost never an actual interview, video or credible declaration. The only real quotes are from Fergie and his teammates.
That being said, he really was England/Man U's best player and it was great to see him play.
Amazing long-passer. About the level of Deco, Ozil, prime Schweinsteiger, Pirlo, Seedorf (all great players, mind you) as a midfielder. Not anywhere on the level of Xavi, Iniesta, Laudrup, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Totti, Figo and even Memedane.
>>63897111
Henry isn't on Messi's level but he's better than Suarez
>>63899932
Nah, Suárez is the best CF since R9. Henry is slightly above current-form Lewa and Aguero.
Henry was never good enough for GOAT status. He was the best striker in the world between 2004 and 2006, but still not as good as Suárez now.
Henry is about the same level as Batistuta, Milan Shevchenko, prime Eto'o. As in, world-class striker, maybe best in the world for a season or two, but not really GOAT.
Pretty much, the greatest CM of all time.
>Iniesta
>Zidane
>Laudrup
The trio of football memes by far. Players deeply overrated by Youtube who hardly had one entire season at his higher level. Just peaks of form in championships or just one perform saving years for the legion of football-experts in spee.
>Iniesta
Being absolutely rubbish for 3 years, plus 2 of really iregular performance. Talking about him because he played well at Madrid Barça of two weeks ago. I guess that Barça bought Turan and is trying to buy Pogba because they trust in what Iniesta could do. Busquets is having a much better career than he does. Xavi also had it in a really worst team.
>Zidane
Great career at Juventus, never reached his better shape at Madrid plus final seasons where he disappeared. Meme plays against shitty teams, like Penaldo does these days, and 2002 CL final goal.
>Laudrup
Shit performance at Juve and no level to perform at what, on that days, was by far the best league in the world. Had to leave and play in a low tier league to be something good.
Best player in history of Denmark, a country who won an Eurocup without him. Top kek player.
And bonus track,
>Paul Scholes
>le quote meme
>le overrated britfag
>le united gotys
>>63900545
>Comparing Turan and Pogba to Iniesta
Please stop going full retard Pedro
>>63900048
>but still not as good as Suárez now.
I like Suarez but you idiots are vastly overrating him. Henry between 2002 - 2006 was literally untouchable. He scored unreal goals all by himself.
>>63900589
Who compared what, amerifat?
>>63891566
lol who isnt
>>63900630
Nice opinion coming from someone who bases his on youtube highlights and has more exposure to the EPL than every other league, together.
Henry was far from untouchable in Europe. It's just that the EPL (still today) rarely gets the top, top players, so the few that are there look better in comparison.
Prime Shevchenko was as good or better than Henry, and played against much better teams/defenses, i.e.
>>63900675
> I guess that Barça bought Turan and is trying to buy Pogba because they trust in what Iniesta could do. Busquets is having a much better career than he does.
>>63900793
so few that the ones that are there*
>>63900793
>youtube highlights
Nope. Also I'm not American, I just live here.
>Prime Shevchenko was better than Henry
Doubt.jpg. He was playing alongside a stacked Milan and when he moved to Chelsea he got exposed hard.
>played against much better teams/defenses
So did Henry. What are you on about? Henry is in the top 10 scorers in CL history.
>>63900809
That's not a comparison you autistic retard. It's just understanding that Barça can't expect anything more from Iniesta and even less in a regular way, so it's trying to buy players to play at his position.
>>63900928
>Barça can't expect anything more from Iniesta
Yeah cause he's getting old you imbecile
>>63900916
So just a bong overraqting his own league as usual, how typical.
>Henry is in the top 10 scorers in CL history.
Thanks only to Wonga classifying for it every year. Henry's goal/game ratio is far from the real GOAT strikers, be it in UCL or overall.
>Doubt.jpg. He was playing alongside a stacked Milan and when he moved to Chelsea he got exposed hard.
So you're impying that a player that played 10 years in the best league in the world and moved to Chelshit in retirement age thanks to Roman's fat paycheck somehow got "exposed". This already shows how much you watched Sheva play, your opinion has become invalid, thanks for playing.
2002
1. Fatnaldo
2. Sheva
3. Nistelrooy/Batigol
4. Henry
2003:
1. Fatnaldo
2. Henry
3. Nistelrooy
2004:
1. Henry
2. Eto'o
3. Nistelrooy
2005 and 2006:
1. Eto'o
2. Henry
>>63894065
shelvey wouldn't make the bench
>>63901112
>getting old
>being 31
>in the least physical position of all sports where Xavi performed really well at his age
he's being getting old for the last 5 years, america
>>63901119
Are you incapable of making a post without silly little assumptions? No I'm not a Britbong and praising Henry has nothing to do with praising the EPL.
Lol when Shevchenko moved to Chelsea he was far from retirement age else they wouldn't have splashed all that cash. I did watch him play at Milan, but he crumbled hard at Chelsea just like Torres did, if not worse. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to swallow.
Henry was runner up for the Ballon D'or in 2003 , 2004 and 2006, considered the best player in the world behind Ronaldinho, and the best striker at that time. Your ratings are skewed and the fact that you're Brazilian and putting Ronaldo above him in 2003 just proves it. Also Van Nistelrooy has never been above Henry at any point in his career, that's wishful thinking.
Best creative midfielder since Maradona
Top 20 all times and top 5 for his position
>>63901384
Or maybe since Iniesta has been playing for Barca ever since he was 20 and has been at his peak for his entire career and only just started slowing down lately unlike players like Forlan who only get good when they're in their mid 30's.
>Last 5 years
You mean when he won the world cup in 2010, and won the Euros with Spain in 2012? Yeah what a disappointment.
>>63901384
rooney is barely 30 and he plays like a 40 yo desu
but yeah, shevchenko's last season for milan was still pretty good
>>63901419
Everything in your post is wrong. Shevchenko was in Chelsea from 30-33yrs old, and if that's not "retirement age" for an injury-prone striker who lost his pace, I don't know what is, or Milan wouldn't even have sold him. Stop bullshitting, you've never seen Sheva play week-to-week.
>Ballon D'or
Meme award, see >>63895022
And being in the shortlist doesn't mean making the top 3, certainly doesn't mean winning.
>Nistelrooy
His goal/game ratio is far above Henry's, are you mad? Henry had better technique and was more versatile, sure, but he could never top Nistelrooy's best seasons as far as pure goalscoring go. Proof of that is that some of his many records stand still today (or yesterday, thanks vardy).
>Ronaldo
carried his country to a WC in 2002 while Henry packed his bags early. As for 2003, Henry played 8 years in Arselel and never once did what Ronaldo did against Manure in only a single game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0QiX2KgiV8
A hat-trick in Old Trafford.
Henry is class and a great player, but you EPLels overrate him too much, exactly because you only watch your league.
>>63891858
>Scholes
>>63891858
>British humour
>>63901539
I can say for sure that one of those two facts is true
You didn't watch more than 3 games of Iniesta per year for the last 7 years at his club
You know absolutely nothing about football
>just started slowing down lately
top kek
>>63901691
Lel so you're saying Chelsea bought Shevchenko for 30 million in 2005 knowing he was in retirement age? You're trying too hard with this revisionism. No, they bought cause he was still in his prime and he never really got going in the league, maybe that's Chelsea's fault because no striker has ever done well there other than Drogba.
>Meme award
>Being in the short list doesn't mean making the top 3.
He was literally no. 2 in 2003 and 2004.
>Goal/game ratio
This is literally meaningless, RVN was a tap in babby like Chicharito and you said it yourself that Henry was the better player so what are you on about.
All I said was people are overrating Suarez too much. Henry achieved way more than he did.
>More EPL drivel
Just drop it.
>>63901786
>You know absolutely nothing about football
Well how can I ever argue with such a statement? I mean I just provided facts to shut you down and you said this. Whatever can I possibly say to counter?
>>63900732
every canadian
Youngfag here. Watching some videos of Laudrup atm. The switchy thing that he does with the ball (the one where he drags the ball with one feet and collects it on the other) is quite similar to what Iniesta does.
>>63903831
no shit m8, that's a playbook dribble taught to 5yos
>>63893624
I wonder how long has he been wearing that undershirt. He almost never scores
>>63903831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3_Ci3288Lg
>>63903919
this tbqh
>>63891858
>Scholes
You are funny anon.
>>63903831
double contact?
>>63902825
what's up with brazilians hating kaka? sure his prime didn't last long because of his injuries but that didn't stop you from loving ronaldinho
he was the epitome of a modern trequartista at his best
>>63904069
You got some wacko ideas m8.
Nobody hates Kaká. He was a joy to watch from 2003 until his pubis exploded in 2010 and took his pace with it.
Dinho was great from 1999 to 2013, world-class from 2001 to 2009 and GOAT from 2004-2006.
>>63904069
Kaká is overrated by the media here.
Played in one of the most stacked squads history and choked hard twice. Never really did much for the NT but is still treated like a legend.
>>63904420
>stacked squads
>Brazilian goalkeeper and defender
ayy
>>63904420
Kaká literally carried Milan in their 2007 UCL win and in our Copa América 2007 run. Undoubtedly the best player in the world in 06-07.
meme harder
>>63904560
Cafu > every single RB in modern football, including Memetti
Dida > literally every argentine goalkeeper ever
Also Cafu has as many WCs as argentina, kek.
>>63904658
You seem a bit FURIOUS
>>63904716
lmao allow me to ctrl+c, ctrl+v
Cafu:
2 World Cups
2 Libertadores
2 Serie A (1 for ROMA of all teams)
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 Brasileiro
3 Toyota Cups
3 Paulistas
2 Copa America
2 South American Super Cup
Only Player to have ever played in 3 World Cup Finals
Most capped player of the Brazilian National team
Memetti:
some dodgy post-calciopoli scuddetto, never made a WC final, choked every Copa America ever, EXPOSED by Bayol
>>63904575
they lost to Liverpool in 2006. Liverpool, a team where Gerrard was the superstar.
It was the most expensive, most stacked team in the world by far, they had no serious opposition besides a Manchester United in which the second best player was >Rooney. They had the obligation to win everything.
>>63904026
>La croqueta
Yes, this one.
>>63903919
>that's a playbook dribble taught to 5yos
Is it? Why aren't more footballers using it in these days? Seems like a pretty effective way to get past defenders.
>>63904835
Your Cafu list is missing 1 CL, 2 Intercontinental Cup and 1 Copa Conmebol.
>>63904420
Dat match.
>>63904845
>2006
2005
>>63904575
>and in our Copa América 2007 run
what the actual fuck?
He didnt even play faggot
That was Robinho's team
>>63904845
That was the whole team's fault, not Kaká's.
If anything it was the defensive system's, for conceding 3 goals in 45 mins.
>>63905288
4*
And let's not forget how Kaká destroyed Utd on both legs and was the team's CL top-scorer.
>>63904911
>Why aren't more footballers using it in these days?
pogba does it often
>>63905405
Le underrated on /sp/ because he's black man
>>63904911
they do use it, but there's a high chance of getting tackled and the defender must be running towards you, not just covering space of the line of pass (which is mostly how teams "press")
>>63904911
>Why aren't more footballers using it in these days?
Because it's simple but not easy to do correctly.
>>63902072
I assume that you disagree with that statement, it's logical. But you said nothing about the other one, what proves what I was trying to say.
Iniesta has been rubbish for the last 5 years with some exceptions.
In WC2010 scored the goal at the final doing anything else during the tournament or the season. In 2012 best player at the tournament. Did you watch many Barcelona games that season?
>I saw he scored in the final
>I'll go to spee to talk about how good he was even without watching any other game of him
>ha sido un año dificil para mí..
"It's been a hard year for me", it's what Iniesta says after all his season, and there is always an excuse, a friend died, a new contract, an abortion, a new coach, the injuries. Something happens every fucking year and he has a fucking disappointing performance.
But what will I say to you, I'm pretty sure that you watch all Iniestas game during the year. I don't need to explain you anything and if the GOAT is irrelevant or spends the year injury after injury you'll come here and tell us what the wiki says he won that year.
>>63906292
He wasn't as consistent as he's painted after 2010, but he was not by any means EVER "rubbish".
And he's been playing wonderfully since January.
>>63906437
For a player who earns 12M per year and compared with what he used to do, that's rubbish.
Maybe all of you watch every single Barça game like I do, but all prestigious press here (not MD or Sport) pointed the same after the classico: "First Iniesta good game since we don't know when"
After signing his new contract where he was the 2nd best payed on the team, he had a couple of decent games. Total delusion. He went back to his irrelevant perfomances.
>>63906783
I guess you have a point that he's a little overpaid for his performances after the '10 WC
>>63906783
>"First Iniesta good game since we don't know when"
Now that's not true. He was playing well before he got injured this season, and last season he played superbly since Jan. as I said, including a great display against PSG and MOTM in the CL final.
But anyways, I'll still stand by the Torres quote ""we've been playing together since we were 15 and I have never, ever seen him play badly."
I've seen Iniesta play not-great many times, but I've never seen him play badly, like I've seen Xavi.
>>63907497 cont
then again, I've seen Xavi play since the 98/99 season when I started bandwagoning Barça as my 2nd team, and I thought he was pretty fucking shit in those Van Gaal/Serra Ferrer/literallwho seasons all the way until 2004.
Maybe I was just too young to know. Though he was a late bloomer.
>>63891616
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>63904420
>stacked squad
>Dida
>Shecvhenko
>Pancaro
>A _Danish_ forward
Ya sure.
![Peak-GI-historisch[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/tWB0pLb.png "Peak-GI-historisch[1].png")
>>63908892
Dida had a few fuckups but he was undisputedly a world-class keeper (pic fucking related: http://spielverlagerung.com/2015/01/09/in-depth-player-analysis-manuel-neuer/).
Shevchenko was great, I'm not the previous hueposter who was talking about him, but he was absolutely amazing.
Inzaghi couldn't play, Tomasson was just the sub for that game.
Pancaro was a sub too.
>>63909316
>Dida
>Play on one of the most stacked teams in history
>169,77
>Worse than Reina
>>63894810
nice b8
>Iniesta is the GOAT AM
>Xavi is the GOAT CM
>Messi is the GOAT
>C.Ronaldo is the 2nd GOAT
>Neuer is the GOAT GK
>players from 10+ years ago are all overrated
Why is /sp/ so full of children who need their generation to be the best and anyone from before their time is shit?
>>63895039
>zidane same level as henry
henry > zidane
>>63895444
>overrating messi
is this even possible?
>people unironically don't rate scholes.
Embarassing
>>63894810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3BLrgvgHnE
>>63914618
This literally proves his point. You remember that goal vs Leverkusen but forget him going completely invisible in two consecutive CL finals in 97 and 98
>>63894810
>that flag hating on lefrogpeople
what did we expect? zidane's no messi, but he played football elegantly enough to admire and impacted games enough to remember. he's top shelf, just not GOAT tier.
>>63907497
Last year was absolutely lost in a lot of games. But this is what keeps him alive, doesn't do shit all over the season and nobody say anything, but after one game (one of the three or four he does every 60 games) threads like this appear.
His cocsuckers said that it was the effect of having a new coach and a new system. I guess it wasn't new for Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Busquets, Rakitic, Alves, Alba, Pique, Mascherano and a long etc.
A player can't be judged by three games in a year. Iniesta, at club level, has maybe 12-15 good (good, not great, not GOAT, not bullshit) games in the last three years. The rest he was just at the field. Were good from the point of view of passing accuracy or statistics like that, but really far away of the level he showed from 2006 until 2010.
>>63914427
>messi is actually GOAT
that's about the only one that's true m8. he isn't the GOAT for the NT, but he has to be cursed or smthng
>>63914639
I bet you didn't even watch those finals and just assume he was invisible because he didn't score and his team didn't win
>>63904835
>EXPOSED by Bayol
pretty sure that was maicon
>citing team awards to prove cafu is better
zanetti
>captain, leader
>tireless
>can even play as a defensive midfielder
cafu is a meme defender like every brazillian
>>63914646
>zidane
>lefrogpeople
>>63904911
because there's a difference between using something on a training session and doing it in a game
that's pretty much why you can only name 6-7 players capable of controlling the dynamics of the match even though everyone calls them memes and sideways passers.
>>63914671
>frenchman are frogs
you must be new. welcome to /sp/ - shitpost
>>63914680
>zidane is french
u fuckin wot m8
>>63914664
I did and he was one of the worst players on the pitch, especially vs Dortmund
>>63909316
again, like every brazillian, dida is a meme goalkeeper.
quick reflexes, can make a world-class save, but mostly unreliable and not good enough for top teams
>>63914685
Retard or Bait?
only YOU can deicde
>>63891858
>scholes
>>63900545
>midfielders are meme players
>>63891858
>Scholes
>>63891858
>le quote man
>>63891858
>Scholes
Didn't expect my thread to end up like this. Iniesta has won everything he can, hard not to consider him as one of the goat .
>all those 4nrs laughing at scholes
Can any of you fuckers prove that he was not a GOAT?????????????????????????????
>>63891481
SOPAS CON ONDAS A ZIDANE
O
P
A
S
>>63914655
This gentleman is absolutely correct.
Even if you analyze his "MOTM" CL final performance, he was by no means more influental than Suarez, Nerman or Messi in that game. The turning point of that game was Messi's solo run that came in the moments Juventus controlled the game and Barcelona's midfield (Iniesta's area of responsibility) were being suffocated.
>>63891858
this is that famous british humour the talked me about
>>63902038
>>63902072
>it's an american comment about "soccer"
>>63914599
>womyn
M8 ozil in his prime when rmd won the league under mourinlol was infinately superior to this guy
>>63919616
>le 30 minutes player
Ozil is only better than Iniesta at partying, taking drugs and hiring escorts.
>>63919658
>b-but....
Fuck off you subhuman. Even this season so far ozil is absolutely raping iniesta
>iniesta 2015/16 all competitions
>2 goals 1 assist
>ozil 2015/26 all competitions
>5 goals 11 assists
Try harder next time, faggot.
>>63919840
>muh stats
literally the Ronaldo of midfielders
>>63919840
2015/16*
>>63919840
>thinks Iniesta is a stats player
Poor mong, that steady premier shit diet has rotten your brain into mush. It's not entirely your fault though, you simply believed what the tv told you.
