Realistically speaking?
2030
Never.
Maybe once brazilian clubs get out of debt and football modernizes. Some clubs are already debt-free and next year we're getting a pretty huge TV deal which is a 50% increase, bumping us from 7th to 6th league in the world.
If we got a foreign coach like Pep (who said he'd like to coach huezil), we'd win the next one and probably all the ones after that, though.
>>63834348
Pep as a coach? Would that even work, considering no country that had a foreign coach has won a World Cup.
>>63834390
http://www.espnfc.com/brazil/story/2515365/pep-guardiola-turned-down-as-brazil-coach-dani-alves
We only have 1 mid-tier coach (Tite) right now, all the others downright suck. There's no interchange with Europe, everyone else is too insular and only cares about winning the home league, it's been the same people around for 20,30 years.
Anything would be better than Dunga or Scolari. There's no shortage of top players (Dani Alves, Juninho, Juan, R. Carlos, Roque Junior) who point out the giant disparity between the work they do in europe and the work done in the NT and brazilian clubs.
South America will never win another World Cup again desu
It's going to be Europe and - given 20 years or so - the US who dominate world football.
>>63834513
You lost me at USA.
>>63834528
Sorry Pablo, but it's the truth
2022 or never.
>>63834513
I don't know if we'll win another World Cup, but if we do, I guarentee it'll still be before you do, even if it's a century from now. Hell, Argentina and at least one of Chile/Colombia/Urgay probably will too.
When you say "europe" you should specify that you really mean Germany/Spain/France/Italy, the real contenders. No matter how relatively shit we are, we'll produce better players and teams than England until the end of time.
There's enough talent to do it for the next two editions, just a matter of not having a retard in charge and having a bit of luck.
Dunga out as soon as Del Nero is arrested.
>>63834513
>the US who dominate world football.
You're in a serious thread of a serious section of a serious imageboard. That kind of comments have no space here.
>>63834597
Neymar is the only player who'd get into the current England side
with the amount of talent >we have coming through, it wont be for a longgg time
:)
>>63834513
Name me ONE American born world class footballer who has ever existed? Just one that is at least at Thomas Mullers level.
>>63834641
Oh Mr. Fisherman, I've missed your sweet bait so.
>>63834641
>Implying Coutinho and Willian wouldn't be mega stars if they were English
>>63834659
Giuseppe Rossi (were he not injured all the time)
And anyway, the point is more about the USA's potential growth as footballs popularity grows over there (hence why I said decades)
>>63834726
Guiseppi was never even close to world class.
>>63834698
Coutinho = Barkley
Willian < Sterling
Neymar < Vardy
t b h
>>63834726
And he decided to play for Italy.... Stick to womens football.
>>63834726
>plays for Italy
>formed in Italy
>"american player"
He's only american in citizenship m8.
Otherwise Jamaica will have to repatriate half your "NT".
>>63834797
>play for England
>formed in England
>"jamaica's players"
Good job.
>>63834756
He had the ability to be and showed glimpses at Villareal. His glass body just never allowed it.
>>63834796
Because they're currently a more attractive option. But that'll change over time.
>>63834797
Question was about being born in America, which Rossi was.
>>63834839
That was the point of the argument, moron.
>>63834797
>Otherwise
>>63834858
No, the arguments are opposites.
You're pretty stupid, even for a Brazilian.
>>63834298
probably not with current generation
>>63834881
>english "schooling"
What I literally said is that Rossi is as much an American player as >>63834797 those guys are Jamaican players.
Your reading comprehension is terrible, must be why they take all your jobs.
Literally unbeatable.
>>63834923
Do Brazilians actually rate Coutinho over Oscar?
>>63834923
Pretty good, I'd just put Marcelo for Alex Sandro (neither can defend, so at least put the better attacker) and play Dani Alves until someone else comes up because Douglas sucks. Also the GK needs to be Diego Alves.
Speaking of Valencia players, they have that 18yr old kid from Vasco, Danilo Barbosa, which is easily our best young DM prospect, played in all youth NT categories, kid is class.
>>63834952
Oscar is utter trash.
>>63834914
But that makes no sense.
Rossi's genetic make-up is Italian, and you're saying he's Italian despite being born in America. You made the comparison of Rossi being American (the country of his birth) being the same as those players being Caribbean, their genetic make-up, not the country of their birth.
Understand?
Friends, please disregard this kid. He's one of those fear preachers. He's too young and too scared himself. Probably too impressed with european football as well.
People like that ignore that SA players and coaches are the most responsible to what football has become. With a little addition from the dutch here, the english there, the spanish there as well.
However precarious SA's conditions always were.
>>63834348
>>63834434
>>63834597
All we need is 10 years of constant, deep progression and a good tactician.
Have the kids familiarize with football in a recreational way first, to let their creativity blossom on the pitch, then shape their technique as they get older, then introduce them to tactics when they're ready.
Stop picking players for their premature physique like we currently do to make them more 'exportable'.
We aren't midgets, like the chilean, we don't need to worry about this, we clearly can do better.
To call Tite mid-tier coach is an insult, and also a proof of your absence of clue. He's vastly superior to Gallardo, Arruabarrena, Gareca, Bauza, Coudet or any other SA coach in the continent atm.
The only coach I'd say is on par with him is Sampaoli. And we are yet to see one against each other.
You don't always have to see two coaches play a match to decide which of the two can do a better job. Tite and Sampaoli always had very different roster options and philosophies as well. Though both methods are very modern.
Sampaoli is hyped for having won a refballed cup when every other nation was either too dizzy after the WC or being mugged on the pitch.
Brazil and Argentina had changes on their command, their coaches were yet knowing what could be done with the roster they have. Uruguay was blatantly mugged, so was Peru. Everyone else couldn't compete.
Sampaoli is also hyped because being a Bielsa 'disciple' seemingly means you're some kind of magician or that you're one step away from playing as aggressive as him or Pep Guardiola.
>>63834923
>Marquinhos
>Thiago Silva
>Lucas Silva
>Rafinha
>Casemiro
Brazuca delusion
>>63834952
I liked both and would play both, with Oscar deeper.
Coutinho is more creative and skillful, Oscar is more tactically intelligent and a much better defender/tackler/pass interceptor.
>>63834952
Oscar is on the down trot of his career while, Coutinho is looking up
>>63834978
Your post is a nonsensical tl;dr, I'm not that anon but Tite is doing nothing that wasn't being done in yurop 20 years ago, also nobody here is your friend. Deixa de ser um lambe-bolas de gringo.
>>63834923
Now make the squad Dunga will take to the WC
>David luiz
>Allison
>>63835017
>Kaka
>>63834923
>Gabriel Jesus
Yuck.
>Lucas Moura
Blergh.
>Zeca
Nauseous.
>Dória
Meme master, please.
>Ederson
Gotta stroke the gringo dick, christ.
When that Instagram generation finally ends.
>>63835055
So, never?
Fucking Davirgin luiz.
>>63835013
>Deixa de ser um lambe-bolas de gringo.
>Tite is doing nothing that wasn't being done in yurop 20 years ago
>Deixa de ser um lambe-bolas de gringo.
Yea, gotta beg Pep Guardiola to run our NT. That's the opposite of rimming gringo ass, right?
I'm hiding your post.
>>63835055
You might as well explain your teams feats and defeats as abundance/lack of 'raça' and wish players used black boots as well, you turbo-pleb.
>>63834977
Fucking idiot. Now you're confusing citizenship with eligibility under FIFA rules even though I already discerned between them 20 posts ago:
>>63834797
>"american player"
It doesn't matter what his citizenship is. He's trained in italy between 15-21 yrs old, has italian citizenship and opted to play for Italy in all youth categories AND the main team.
Therefore to FIFA and UEFA he's italian, PERIOD.
>>63835041
>picking on bench players and the one single Brazilian GK that knows sweeping
good contribution to the thread
>>63834923
>fred
>>63835013
>>63835099
>>63835121
>>63835154
>>63835207
Sempre postando merda. Bando de macaco.
>>63835279
You missed this post >>63834978 pal
The CBF is the second most corrupt sports federation in the world after FIFA. Until Brazil cleans their house from top to bottom they will remain a second tier football nation. Brazil will remain irrelevant in world football until the CBF is disinfected.
>>63835313
>The CBF is the second most corrupt sports federation in the world after FIFA
Not even close. The Argentina FA is legit, no bullshit, more corrupt than ours. Not to mention all the african, south, and central american federations. Even some eastern-european ones.
Far from me to defend cbf, I want them all arrested, bu that's just not true.
>>63835207
Whine I didn't like your choices more, little bitch.
Good contribution to the thread.
sorry, I can't let this pass:
>Good contribution to the thread.
you want me to provide you good content on a retarded discussion among retarded people?
you're here most likely to stroke your own ego, postpone your responsibilities, feed yourself with stimuli to distract yourself from your loneliness, put yourself apart from the 'normie' crowd and spitfight people who don't like your choices.
You want me to give good contribution to that?
Let me shit on your face. That would be good contribution.
>>63835313
You're talking out of your ass, Ricardo Teixeira is corrupt and we won 2 World Cups while he was in charge. AFA is corrupt and they reached the final. USSF may be the cleanest federation in the world but they'll never win shit.
>>63835387
go take your pills, juninho
>>63835313
>Until Brazil cleans their house from top to bottom they will remain a second tier football nation. Brazil will remain irrelevant in world football
7-1 might have messed with your perception a bit. We're still semifinalists in the 2 most recent world cups, finalists in the u20 world cup, won the Memederations cup in 2013, our players are still sold at a premium around the world, we'll probably win a ballon d'or when Nerman steps up and Missi gets too old, we have the largest number of players playin abroad amongst all countries and enough youth talent for another 15 years.
We're still very much a first-tier nation in football, like it or not. And I don't think anyone other than Spain/Argentina/Germany/France can even challenge us in this generaton.
>>63835442
eat my ass, you wimp.
>>63835313
You say that, but you lost to us 4-1 in a game where Nerman only played one half, and your U23 got BTFO'd 6-1 in two legs of U23 just a couple weeks ago, against only 10 men in the 2nd game).
We won't be pulling a Hungary anytime soon, lad.
>>63835460
>we're still semifinalists at the two most recent world cups
QF's in 2010
I think those finishes distort your perspective, Brazil was absolute fucking shit in 2014
>finalists in U20 World Cup
Irreleevant
>Confed Cup
Meme
>our players are still sold at a premium
Mostly because they're Brazilian, not because they're actually all that talented
>>63835460
Literally this.
The >Hurr hurrr 7-1 from country who will never ever play a world cup semis always make me laugh.
>>63835099
>Pep Guardiola
>White
Pick one
>>63835585
>Mostly because they're Brazilian,
Only chinese/arab/eastern-european clubs pay more on nationality alone, lad.
Any serious club hires brazilian at a premium because, for all the faults that player might have, he'll at least have good technique, and all the rest you can teach/improve.
Football 101, technique is the hardest thing to learn.
People compare this generation to Rivaldo-Ronaldo-Ronaldinho and conclude Brazil is shit.
Well, obviously, it's no where near that level, but in terms of talent (leaving the coach-factor behind) it's still about on pair with Spain, France, and Argentina.
>>63835635
Seedorf is a gringo for us.
>>63835667
>gringo
Why do you guys bother using this word? It's not even portuguese and everyone thinks it means white
>>63835690
>Why do you guys bother using this word? It's not even portuguese
Yes it is. It's in every portuguese dictionary.
>Gringo (/ˈɡrJŋɡoʊ/, Spanish: [ˈɡɾiŋɡo], Portuguese: [ˈɡɾĩɡu]) is a term, mainly used in Spanish-speaking and in Portuguese-speaking countries,
>It's not even portuguese and everyone thinks it means white
No, it just means foreign, the same as bongs calling everyone else JFs. Plenty of gringos know this, don't assume your ignorance is the same as everyone else's.
>>63835690
may not be portuguese in its roots but it's a real word for us, and it means foreigner.
>>63834608
>he doesn't know US will be a Power House by 2030
wake up and smell the coffee
>>63835805
I've been hearing that since the 94 WC (which I watched live).
>just a-another d-decade
>surely it's picking up now, I swear!
>>63835862
I hope you're not this salty when we knock you out in 2018
>>63835886
It's cool Clapistan, I hope you put up a fun game.
>>63835862
MLS is the best league in the Americas now, so yeah, it is picking up.
>>63835580
You guys got knocked out by Australia in the round of 16 at the women's world cup.
>>63836854
>woman's "soccer"
back to reddit
>>63836745
>>63836745
ebin bait but you need to be subtler
>>63836934
>>63837040
Truth hurts
>>63835310
>'hurr, I disagree with you but I'm too much of a pussy to call you out. Gotta ask some racist piece of shit to hate your post as well once he hated my own.'
lol
literally worse than a cûck.
>>63837162
hurts my sides, maybe.
>>63837162
the fact that British players can be stars in the MLS shows that the league is shit just like the EPLel
>>63837208
And the fact they perform better than the best Mexican player of the last ten years says everything about Liga MX
>>63837239
Marquez > Ferdinand > Terry
>>63837251
I meant Gio, not le get sent off man
>>63837239
Marquez?
He was shit at Redbulls but >>63837251 said it best
>>63837278
>Gio is the best Mexican player of the last ten years
>this flag
>this topic
>>63834528
think about it, the US dominate every Sport they have an interest in. And with teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, all opening academies in the US football is going to become hugely popular, and so many talents will come out of the US.
Give it another 20 years til you see this forming though
Why BR BRs hate Nilmar so much hes like the 3rd best player in the world right now
>>63837337
>And with teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, all opening academies in the US football is going to become hugely popular
This shit is so fucking NORMAL that the fact that you're making a big deal out of it shows your lack of perspective.
Barcelona, Milan, Inter, Real Madrid, Juventus, all have academies in my city. Tons of teams run schools in eastern europe and the americas.
>>63834298
Once Europe becomes an Islamic state and football doesn't exist there.
>>63837363
I didn't like him much until last year but I've come around.
And not because he wasn't a great player, I didn't like his attitude (easy to get a big head when you're an 18yr old with a bigger wage than everyone else in the league), but he's grown up.
>>63837337
>Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs academies
>>63837378
so about next summer circa euro2016?
>>63837337
>Spurs, all opening academies
Oh the mighty Tottenham Spurs academies, who raised from the ground up amazing players such as
>>63837419
Possibly desu!
On that note, wtf are people gonna celebrate with in Qatar 2022? Gonna be the worst sporting event of all time that one.
No alcohol, no parties, no atmosphere.
Not even allowed to wear shorts there I think . . . .
>>63837440
Bale, Modric
>>63837441
Pretty much.
Empty stadiums, low attendances, tourists breaking their laws left and right, more and more slavery scandals, no beer, Qatar will certainly fail to deliver their air-conditioned stadiums, it will be a mess.
But on the bright side, it might not happen with all the recent FIFA scandals.
>>63837459
>Bale
Southampton.
>Modric
Dinamo Zagreb.
>Spuds
>>63837492
Spurs made them who they are
>>63837512
That doesn't change the fact they didn't come from their academy.
>The desolate talent wasteland of North London
>>63837468
They should give it to the USA if all else fails, probably the only country who could pull it off short notice as they already have all the sporting arena's and transportation networks in place.
It wouldn't even dent their infrastructure unlike pulling it off last minute in Europe/Asia
>great infrastructure/stadiums/accommodation/transportation
>1st world country
>safe as fuck compared to Europe or anywhere else apart from Asia
>Great Climate unlike Asia
>massive homegrown sporting culture so great crowd turnout
Only downside is it's so far away from hub of world football (Europe) but compared to having it in FUCKING QATAR. . . .
>>63837441
I'm actually hoping that the Qutar WC is s such a fucking dumpster fire that FIFA will be forced to admit that the entire WC awarding process is a wholesale scam and that in the future only legitimate first wold footballing nations with existing infrastructure can bid on hosting a World Cup. With any luck ISIS will try blow the whole thing up.
>>63837534
USA would be the best option, yeah. But anywhere would be better than Qatar. Even Crimea or Syria.
>>63837534
eh, to anyone who doesn't plan on goin it probably won't be much different from a regular world cup you see from your TV, besides the time of the year and every player being tired after 20m (kek)
USA seems like a logical choice, or even Bongistan
hopefully they'll rethink Qatar once more sponsors pull out, and they have already began
>>63837553
>be forced to admit that the entire WC awarding process is a wholesale scam and that in the future only legitimate first wold footballing nations with existing infrastructure can bid on hosting a World Cup
That's ridiculous. And Germay was one of the most corrupt nations in their bidding process bribery.
>>63837565
There's no way Qatar is going ahead and that's been the case since it was announced.
>>63837553
China will take the next one.
Almost guaranteed.
>>63837459
>Bale
southampton academy's product
>Modric
nk zadar academy's product, hell he was already 23 when he joined tottenham...
buying 18 yos and loaning them is not producing players
>>63837553
>FIFA will be forced to admit that the entire WC awarding process is a wholesale scam and that in the future only legitimate first wold footballing nations with existing infrastructure can bid on hosting a World Cup
First of all, if Germany/VW/Beckenbauer's scandal proved anything, is that those nations are as involved with the corruption in the bidding procces as anyone else. France is also heavily suspected of that in their 98 hosting.
Second, if your nonsense proposal went ahead that, every other confederation, but especially CONMEBOL, would just pull out andd FIFA would have no right to call it a world cup.
Sounds like you just want to watch the euros instead.
>>63837565
>eh, to anyone who doesn't plan on goin it probably won't be much different from a regular world cup you see from your TV, besides the time of the year and every player being tired after 20m (kek)
Oh yeah, what with it being played in the middle of the year and not the Christmas holidays so people don't have a lot of time off to watch it, then the shit crowds that will be there with no party atmosphere or mass fanfare, super subdued atmosphere in general due to it being held in a dictatorship country, the 40C heat at night making the games be played at a slow pace with guaranteed 5min 'cooling breaks' every 30 mins. . . .
The guaranteed refball in all Qatar games, no hot chicks on the TV unlike every other WC. . . .
It's gonna FUCKING SUCK ON EVERY LEVEL EVEN ON TV.
Hell, wanna bet even the commentators can't be passionate without getting arrested for creating a disturbance.
![15544917[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Goi8N21.jpg "15544917[1].jpg")
>>63837643
>every other confederation, but especially CONMEBOL, would just pull out andd FIFA would have no right to call it a world cup
>>63837643
Being this butt hurt because Brazil was basically a third world winner of the last corrupt WC awarding process. How about all those billions wasted on stadiums that will never be used again when poverty is your number one export?
>>63837751
>and England would still lose every time
>>63837753
Yeah but that's not your problem. In matters of organizations, hoels and venues, the tourists here had no problems, especially compared to several past WCs. At worst there were those Chilean supporters trying to invade the Maracana without paying for tickets.
>>63837751
Even if every team from every other confederation left, you still wouldn't win it.
:)
>>63837694
GOAT World Cup Anthem tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ln6cZ21heo
>>63837753
m8, your 96 olympics suffered terrorist attacks on worldwide television.
qatar, germany, france, japan, korea and s. africa bought a world cup
nobody is butthurt, just pointing out you have a nice glass ceiling
>>63837797
>>63837798
I suppose that must be the 1-7 grace for you
>>63834298
Australia 2026 tb h fäm
>>63837858
You have one (1) point.
I suppose it would be easier for you to get out of the group stages if said groups were instead populated by Andorra, Luxembourg and the mighty San Marino, eternal rivals of England's Braves, Archrivals of the Great Rooney.
>>63837888
>deleting your posts
2022 should of gone to Australia. They would of been good hosts.
>>63836745
lel MLS aren't even competitive or relevant in their own regional cup competitions senpai
>>63834952
Countinho is better at the moment.
------------------Neymar-----
DouglasCosta-------MatheusPereira
------------Coutinho--Willian
---------------BrunoPaulista
Marcelo---------------------------Mayke
---------------Ewerton--Naldo
-----------------JulioCesar
When this happens
>>63843767
>JulioCesar
>>63837396
he's grown up since long, not last year
you happened to grow out of your jealousy, if anything
props for you though. too often I see people hating for stuff he did over 5 years ago. or so they claim to be for stuff he did, not for the stuff he earns...
>>63834797
>Bobby Zamora and Gabby Agbonlahor were unironically England internationals
Happened 5 years ago and I still can't believe it
A better team
>>63834978
/thread
>>63834298
2026, or in the right moment when RA unlocks his full potential
