What Bradyfags ALWAYS seem to gloss over is the fact Montana had beastly stats in an era when the game DID NOT favor the QB. It wasn't a pass happy league back then and yet Montana was torching defenses with his arm.
Brady would be a fuccboi if he played during Montana's time. Also, Montana is undefeated in superbowl appearances with the same amount of rings. He also didn't lose to a tard. TWICE.
Montana is the GOAT. Its not even a discussion.
Brady didn't have roided up Rice tho senpai
How would Brady have done against the '75 Steelers?
>>63792831
Probably just as well - the reality is there is more parity and more true athletes than in the 70s/80s/and even early to mid 90s.
>>63792713
With stickum. Easy to have GOAT passing yards when the guy catching the ball has hands like flypaper.
>>63792353
Yeah when Montana lost 49-3 in the divisional round, that was a way better showing than when Brady lost in the Super bowl.
montana lost to the giants in the playoffs twice too. he got btfo by the 86 super bowl team and lost by a point to the shitty 91 super bowl team
Brady's success came in the salary cap era.
Chew on that, hater.
>>63792898
Easy to call the plays when you recorded the other teams game plan
>>63792867
What if he played in the era with L. Taylor and Reggie White?
>no salary cap
next argument, kek
>>63793043
I have never understood the notion that people think Brady is soft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4OTH0pddv4
>>63793007
>tom brady doesn't win a super bowl
>he still made it to the super bowl
>joe montana doesn't win a super bowl
>he's getting blown the fuck out 49-3 in the divisional round
Fucking lel
>>63792898
>implying the gloves that EVERY receiver wears today aren't just as sticky
Brady has not won a single super bowl without cheating
Just look at his wife
Rule #1: The GOAT cannot be a cuck
Probably wasn't as hard to be a qb when defenders weren't roided up 300 lb freaks who run like olympic sprinters.
>>63793325
Never forget.
>>63792353
They also ignore the fact that Matt Cassel can come in and go 11-5 with the same team.
>>63792831
He'd get humiliated. Remember, this is pre-Mel Blount rule (basically the birth of defensive PI), so a system babby like Brady couldn't just rely on perfectly executed timing routes.
>>63793484
>implying Brady doesn't dissect the defense and hit receivers who otherwise would be scrubs in Canadian Futbol.
>>63793426
at least that's a grill and not erin rutdgers bottom
>>63792353
>not even making the superbowl is a better achievement than making it and losing.
>>63793438
Steve Young came in and literally won a Super Bowl.
Montana was a Walsh/Rice babby
see I can shitpost too
>>63793549
>at least that's a grill and not erin rutdgers bottom
You leave Kevin alone, he's a good boy.
>>63793484
Is he supposed to be bad because cry babies like jim irsay petitioned for rule changes to benefit his fuck boy peyton manning?
>>63793585
He is also a shitbag drug dealer who killed a woman and got away with it.
>>63793577
Steve Young is a Hall of Famer. You're a fucking moron if you think Steve Young and a career backup are at all comparable.
>>63793645
Speaking of shitheads who are good enough to only be backups...
>>63793577
Steve Young is a first ballot HoFer, there's a huge fucking difference
>>63793628
Clearly his team is being held back by those cheating patriots. The colts are football geniuses who are being victimized by the NFL.
>>63793546
Okay? Brady reads defenses before the snap better than anyone. But this is before CB's weren't allowed to bump receivers after 5 yards, so routes were always being improvised. Brady is only average at improvising once his reads fall through. He gives up on the play and throws it away.
>>63793713
So is Peyton, doesn't make him the GOAT by any stretch. If Cassel was to have gone on a team which would have committed to him, he may have lucked into a Super Bowl like Flacco or Wilson.
Young is a fucking mormon, if he was a goat he'll make his own fucking church with coke and bitches
>>63793426
Do you not know what a train is?
>>63793743
You say that like it's a bad thing. Example, Romo loves to force the pass instead of taking the sack/throwing it away.
You want your QB to be more like Romo?
>>63793793
Him, Damon, and Batfleck? Hell, probably the pilot too. Those jets basically fly themselves once they level off.
>>63793825
I say that only because that anon asked how he would fair against the Steel Curtain. Pocket passes always struggled, but even Roger Staubach, a scrambler, didn't have an answer for them.
>>63793935
Quarterbacks that have only played in the modern "QBs are the most precious thing on the field, don't hurt them" league wouldn't last a month in the NFL of the 70s or 80s.
>>63793988
Purple monkey dishwasher.
>>63792963
No he didn't dummy , Craig fumbled the ball in 90 against the Giants. BTFO , shut up
>>63793995
Cam Newton would legit wreck the 'Steel Curtain'.
>>63794046
No he wouldn't.
What team does Brady play for after the Patriots boot him?
>>63793715
I never noticed how well the Patriots defense reacted to this situation. The Colts aren't even sure what they're supposed to be doing but the Pats just shrug and get in to position. They weren't fooled or confused for a second. Look at the two formations right before the ball is snapped, the Patriots are perfectly placed and the Colts look like a mess. Perfectly executed defense.
>>63794077
None. He'll never not be a Patriot because 1) the Pats will never give him up and 2) he knows he'd be exposed
>>63794077
49ers are again an option.
>>63794082
There is some confusion - a couple guys are lined up in no-man's land. If they executed the play properly (i.e. were in the shotgun and pitched it to the punter; calling a timeout and punting; committing sudoku) they might have been able to run straight behind the linemen for a first down.
>>63793438
Matt Cassel can also go to the chiefs win 10 games and make a pro bowl.
>>63794149
>There is some confusion - a couple guys are lined up in no-man's land. If they executed the play properly (i.e. were in the shotgun and pitched it to the punter; calling a timeout and punting; committing sudoku) they might have been able to run straight behind the linemen for a first down.
Illegal formation, tho.
>Montanafags think he was better than Steve Young
Ayy
>>63794149
Not even. Those guys aren't in no man's land they're lined up in a way that will make it impossible for the guy getting the ball to pass it as the center has 0 chance of blocking three guys. To expect your qb to get the ball stand up and throw before an unblocked lineman gets to him is insanity.
>>63792713
He just outright cheated and had a murderer on his team.
>>63793546
Nice and blatant holding on 23 there.
Did Montana get as much beneficial refball as Brady did?
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/25/bill-parcells-still-thinks-bill-walsh-cheated-during-1980s-playoffs/
Oh and stickum
Being the GOAT of NFL is like being a shark in a sea full of krill.
How about a sport that's played by countries other than the US, like rugby?
>>63794057
Mean Joe Greene: 6'4" 275 lbs.
L.C. Greenwood: 6'6" 245 lbs.
Ernie Holmes: 6'3" 260 lbs.
Dwight White: 6'4" 255 lbs.
avg weight: 258.75 lbs.
>pic related: that would be the lightest in the NFL this season
Cam Newton: 6'5" 250 lbs.
>>63794309
That doesn't make them better.
>>63794221
Which is why if they're in the shotgun instead of directly under center, they have time to pitch it to someone behind the wall of 300-lb men. When they do, you might want to have more than three guys over there to hold the line.
>>63794309
>implying nutrition in this day and age wouldn't be able to pack on 15-25 lbs of muscle per guy.
>>63794353
>nutrition
I think you mean drugs.
>>63794379
Well, they would be doing much better steroids, yeah.
People saying 70s and 80s players would dominate modern players makes me laugh. They were mostly big slow white guys.
Modern players are bigger, faster, stronger and have coaches creating ever more complex defenses and offenses.
>>63794298
Population of the USA: 318.9 million (2014)
Population of all 8 knockout round teams in the 2015 Rugby World Cup: 201.015 million
[South Africa: 52.98 million (2013)
Wales: 3.064 million (2011)
New Zealand: 4.471 million (2013)
France: 66.03 million (2013)
Ireland: 4.595 million (2013)
Argentina: 41.45 million (2013)
Australia: 23.13 million (2013)
Scotland: 5.295 million (2011)]
>>63794353
Cam Newton vs. the Steel Curtain. It's an imaginary, time travel matchup, not imagining what would have happened if the Steel Curtain grew up today. For all we know, they could have become a rap group instead.
>>63794449
Tell me again how far the US team made it in this year's Rugby World Cup.
>>63794471
You're trying to argue that the accomplishments of an NFL player are less than those of a rugby player based on player pools for the countries involved, and you're dead wrong.
>>63794500
But only the US plays NFL. No other country cares.
Rugby has more countries playing it.
Hi Tom.
>>63794332
Except the fact that it would have been flagged anyway.
>>63794532
>>63794532
If only the packers had the coaching of the pats. Maybe they would have gone to the superbowl.
>>63793007
nice b8. Not what happened senpai.
>>63792353
While you are right, there were also few good nickel corners, next to no zone blitzing, and a college system feeding the NFL with players from schools mostly running the option out of wishbone sets.
>All these posts and not a single bradyfag has addressed the difference in eras.
>"Maybe if I ignore what he said, his argument will go up in smoke!"
>>63794016
Decent beer. Not enough pb imo.
>>63794564
Aaron is too confused to lead a team effectively. The only year he was good is when he was a foot out of the closet with Kevin. Then, with all the exposure, he became a 'manly' man and gained a beard. Now he sucks.
Hard to win games when you're too busy not imagining what the Center's asshole tastes like.
Sweaty tobacco.
Some of you are worse than the Kobe fags who literally and unironically think that Kobe is better than Jordan.
>>63794585
Brady is fucking timeless.
>>63794620
Both suck compared to Bird.
/thread
>>63794647
>Bird over Jordan
>>63794585
Bigger, faster athletes now than there were 20-30 years ago. Salary cap restrictions make it harder to keep a team together in the modern age. Parity aside from the Patriots is much more solid today than it was back then. The fact is you use the veil of history in an attempt to defame the true GOAT. If Montana played against guys like Revis, Sherman and the like in coverage his stats wouldn't be even close to what they are.
If you want a true comparison of eras you're going to lose the argument every time. Secondary play was far more hard-nosed back then but coverage is tighter now than it's ever been. Sorry bruv'nor.
>>63794698
Can you prove that Montana's stats would be lower if he played against them?
How about Brady vs the Soul Patrol?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZBCOqUotAs
If Brady couldn't take a textbook hit to the knee in modern day football, there's no way in hell he'd be able to play against the 1970s Raiders and make it out alive.
>>63794698
>his stats wouldn't be even close to what they are.
You're right. His stats would be double what they are now because of all the rules that would make him look like a god.
Can someone remind me the last time Tom Brady lost 49-3 in the divisional round?
>>63794767
Can someone remind me the last time Montana lost to the two statistically worst teams to ever make it to the Superb Owl?
>>63794767
>Hurr durr one game sample size proves that Brady is the GOAT!
Fuck off bandwagon scum.
>>63794782
He was busy losing 49-3 in the divisonal round so he couldn't even make it.
>>63794747
What rules? Last I checked you don't get stats for penalties, there, slowmo. Coverage is tighter, deal with it.
>>63794726
Yes Watch some of Moncheaters games in his prime. Look at how shit coverage is. It's not even comparable to the modern age of football.
>>63794792
>Moncheater
>Brady fan
>Calling another player a cheater
TOP KEK.
Brady plays in an era where you get flagged for breathing too hard on a QB.
>>63794546
>he'd rather be a kek than a faggot
At least as a faggot you can still be a top
>>63794790
Better to get knocked out then, then be remembered as leading the biggest choke in modern day sports.
This is why trying to compare eras is fucking retarded
Would Brady have done as well as Montana in Montana's era?
Would Montana do as well as Brady in Brady's era?
There's no fucking way to possibly determine this because both players would have grown up, trained, and developed completely different gameplay and habits playing in different eras.
>>63794726
Can you prove that Brady's would be if he played twenty years earlier?
>>63793868
Douche-overload-the-JPG
>didn't lose to a tard
Pretty sure he lost to Phil Simms m8
>>63792353
wake me when Monty makes 6 owls
or 7 next year
>>63793691
Jesus Christ he looks like an Al-Qaeda operative.
>>63792713
Brady had stacked teams
Montana won two bowls with a undrafted wr and a qb turned wr
He won his third with a young rice who was still getting to his prime and more late round rookies
>>63800134
i dont think the patriots offense has a single guy drafted in the 1st round this season (counting injured guys)
>>63800147
They probably don't but every year he's won a bowl they're were stacked either offensively or defensively
Billy figured out a way to bring in people that'll work well in his system similar to the old raiders take on free angency back in the late 70s to mid 80s.
One side will always be stacked than the other and this year it is offense again
Montana never had that privilege and worked with what he got
Shit in his first superbowl his team was freaking out and managed to calm them down
The divisional round I believe in his second bowl year , his team was freaking out again down by 7 and Montana pointed out a celebrity in the crowd , talking about how nice it would be to meet him . Again Montana is a leader on the field
You have the most stacked team in the history of the NFL and choke your chance at being the GOAT to a retard ? Brady will never be considered the best QB after that .
>>63792353
>guaranteed replies.jpg
>>63792353
WHO the fuck is Montana??? Athletes pre 1990s don't count
>>63800195
probably time to stop smoking crack and posting on /sp/ bro
>>63794215
This desu
If he wasn't heem sleepy'ed out of a career he would have won at least 6. Guy was on the verge of being the perfect qb before the cunt-cushions made him retire
>>63800316
That's not what your mother said.
The best player of all time wasn't even a QB, why do people get so worked up over meme position?
Joe Montana is a rad name for a sports legend 2Bhonest
>>63800379
>meme position
I had your mom in a meme position last night
>>63800336
>If he wasn't heem sleepy'ed out of a career he would have won at least 6
coulda woulda shoulda. Players are judged on what they've accomplished, not by what-if scenarios. example:
>What if the Patriots won SB42?
yeah Tom would already be GOAT even if he did lose SB46. But they didn't, and he isn't, by himself, the GOAT, by that metric alone.
>>63800379
these are always "best QB" not "best player" discussions. Rice in the mix for "GOAT player, period" status, but that's another debate.
Brady achieved more because of the salary cap.
>>63800561
>salary cap
the 49ers knowingly fucked around with the salary cap illegally multiple times.
If you mean raw passing numbers, Brady did more because 5-7 years into his career the league went full-on Madden-mode with passing rules. His numbers spiked once he had the second-greatest WR in history and another elite WR in Welker, which allowed him to dominate the league so hard in 2007. And since then, despite the 1-2 SB record, the Pats have been the marquee team of the AFC. THAT is Tom's real value.
tl;dr
Montana
>was injured a third of the time
>had a go-to über-elite target nearly his entire career in SF
Brady
>had free-for-all passing rules for a little more than half his career
>only had (good) Randy Moss for 2-3 years, and otherwise has had three elite targets for shorter periods of time than Montana-Rice (prime Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez. include Edelgod if you want)
GIVEN THE RULES OF THE TIME THEY PLAYED IN, who is better?
Johnny Unitas was the best QB ever tbqh
