Realistically, where does Kobe rank among the top 50 players of all time?
28
2
17-18
8 worst case scenario, 2 best case scenario.
between 2-4
Below them
2-5 somewhere
Top 30
Second. Just after Curry and before Jordan.
Anywhere from 7 to 20.
2-4 depending on criteria
anyone care to demonstrate their lists?
>>63779691
Top 15.
Top 10 player for sure.
Kareem, Russel, Jordan, Duncan, and Magic are ahead of him.
Top 5
1. Kareem
2. Jordan
3. Russel
4. Shaw
5. Kobe Bean Bryant
6. Duncan
7. Wilt
8. Duncan
9. Lelbron
I0. Bird
Fight me faggots
I have Wade over Kobe
History will prove me right
>>63779691
Realistically top ten.
pau gasol carried him tbqh
>>63779876
You forgot magic you autistic fuck
>>63779879
This.
Fredette>Wade>Kobe
1. Jordan
2. Oscar
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Kobe
>>63779691
4th
1. Dream
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Bird
6, LeBron
7. Duncan
8. Wade
9. Kobe
10. Magic
But I actually know basketball, so feel free to disregard this and continue farting in the post field.
>>63779691
Top 15 would be generous
Above Lelbron
>>63779924
holy shit this is bad. one of the worst top 10 I've ever seen in my life. Stop watching basketball
>>63779691
Top 20.
He's easily the second best 2 of all time.
>>63779924
>clearlydontknowbasketball.thelistpeg
>>63779691
12th
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Bird
6. Oscar Robertson
7. Shaq
8. Magic
9. Timmy D
10. LelBron
11. Hakeem
12. Kobe
>>63779958
I don't trust Curry to stay healthy. He almost died last playoffs.
If he stays on this career arc, he'll end up at 2-5, so don't flip your lid.
>>63779891
>placing bird at ten
>complains about forgetting magic
>>63779703
This.
1. Curr3
2. Kobe
3. Jordan
4. Russel
5. Kareem (three way tie down)
5. Magic
5. Bird
8. Wilt
9. Duncan
10. Shaw
9001 ETERNAL HALL OF SHAME TIER
LeShit
>>63779973
what the fuck are you talking about bro. I didn't say shit about curry.
>>63779998
Then I have no idea what problem you have with my list.
If it's the fact that Kobe is under Duncan, Wade, and LeBron, then you need to get off his dick before I laugh myself to death.
>>63780004
It might be that you have wade in there at all. At least thats my issue with it.
>>63780004
The problems with your list:
Shaq is on it. Wade is on it. Magic is 10. Lmao. Dream is literally #1. Lmfao. Lebron is 6th! LMFAO. Kobe is in the top 10 LMAO
this is so fucking bad dude.
8-10 on the all time list
He's the 4th/5th best Laker
right behind Dr. J
>>63780016
Could Kobe carry an expansion team to their frist title? Maybe. But Wade actually did it, and turned in a finals performance that exceeded any of Kobe's.
Wade is the better shooting guard. Kobe doesn't even eurostep. He's just chinese discount Jordan.
>>63779992
>1. curry
list immediately disregarded into the trash bin
>>63780022
>Shaq
Most dominant center in history.
>Wade
Better than Kobe. Evolved skillset.
>Magic
Not sure why you have a problem with his placement. He was a great player.
>Dream
Literally the standard by which post moves are judged. Transcendent talent. Permanent impact.
>LeBron
Again don't see the problem. He's shattering records and will be in the finals for like 9 years straight. Watch.
>Kobe
He may be a Jordan clone that's not as good, but that's still really good.
Go meme elsewhere, kid.
>>63780120
>shaq
>most dominant center
Wilt was the most dominant center you retard
>>63780129
No he wasn't. Monte Ellis would put up 60 on that inefficient faggot.
>>63780120
I'm not even going to waste my time with this b8.
You are either trolling, or don't know a goddamn thing about hoops. You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
>>63780161
Don't worry. Your fuckbuddy already exposed the mindset of the type of fag who opposes this list. >>63780129
You morons actually believe Wilt is good because he dominated an era before people learned to play efficient basketball.
>>63780129
He played against 6'4 white boys. He better have dominated.
not even in the top 10, shooting guards with kobes skillset are a diamond dozen
>>63780167
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're 19 tops. Which doesn't mean you can't understand the game, or it's history, but obviously you haven't.
It's ok. You will someday. Maybe.
>>63780193
>this bait
>>63780227
I'm 28
Motombo would take a wet congo shit on Wilt
>>63780227
Wilt in the modern game = Deandre Jordan
>>63780246
nice spelling senpai. I bet you are 28. I'm Derek Jeter.
>>63780261
I have not once brought up Wilt lil bro. Continue beating that dumbass drum doe. It's got a dope beat.
>>63780282
Your clone did it right here >>63780129
I don't differentiate between sheep in my flock.
>the old if you take wilt or russell into the modern era they'd be shit argument
what is modern medicine and training for 200, alex?
who gives a fuck
Genuinely curious about this one:
http://strawpoll.me/6094291
>>63780292
Shooting a ball into a hoop has not changed. Players were just plain shit back then.
Go look up possessions per game over time. The game is radically more efficient now because the players are better. Not because they have better medicine and training regiments.
>>63780288
and the beat goes on
>>63780338
So does ESPN, your favorite channel.
>>63780352
>>63779691
Number 3 behind Curry and MJ
>>63779703
Gotta say, this is true.
>>63779714
>>63779743
>>63779801
Wouldn't argue with these.
>>63779768
>there is someone out there
>in Spain
>who truly, unironically believes this
>>63779691
I say 3rd
Realistically he's 6 or 7.
Anyone who says he's outside the top 10 is bootyblasted because of all the times he destroyed their dreams.
Ok im sure most posters here are between 16 and 30.
Most of us in that age range werent even alive or old enough to see bird, magic, karim etc. In their prime.
I dont have a top 10 list because it will be biased due to who i grew up watching, Jordan, kobe, iverson, carter, ewing, barkley, stockton.
It just goes to show that people who are throwing curry into the top 10 like its nothing are just a victom of this generation. The "whats hot for the moment" generation.
Give curry a few years to leave his legacy before you crown him king.
>>63779715
made me chuckle
>>63779691
Low 40's if I remember the rankings I made correctly
>>63779899
I am laffing so fucking hard right now
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Shaq
4. Magic
5. LeBron
6. Duncan
7. Olajuwon
8. Bryant
9. Bird
10. Thomas
>>63780308
Rule changes has much to do with it particularly regarding illegal defense
>>63782984
>no Chamberlain
>no Russell
1. Luol Deng
2. Luol Deng
3. Luol Deng
4. Luol Deng
5. Luol Deng
>>63782984
>3. Shaq
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. LeBron
5. Bird
6. Russel
7. Wilt
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Kobr
I say at 15 right now
>>63780048
Well said anon.
>>63783036
I dont regard that nba era as legitimate, i dont care what kind of stats wilt put up on non athletes
>>63783075
4 rings, most dominant and unstoppable offensive force in history. Prime Shaq could carry any team to at least a conference finals
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Lel
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Wilt
>>63780146
Monte Ellis have it all brah
Is Shaq really top 10?
Putting him ahead of Fisher would be retarded as fuck, and it's hard to put Fisher in the top 50. They're prob along the lines of 88 and 94
>>63783004
That was in the 90s, tard.
Russell LITERALLY INVENTED the block because NO ONE THOUGHT TO DO IT BEFORE HIM
They just sucked back then. Face it.
>>63783280
Yes
Not even questionable
>become #1 all time in missed shots while still 10k off the all time points total
>all the while being a superstar your entire career and thus getting averaging double digit FTAs
maximum lel
>>63783115
>russell and shaw
>above duncan
>>63783182
this desu
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Kobe
8. Shaq
9. Russell
10. West
11. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. Moses
14. LeBron
That's all that matters.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Lebron
4. Russell
5. Kareem
6. Bird
7. Wilt
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
>>63783280
1. Hakeem
2. Kareem
3. Shaq
Yep, looks like
>>63783931
>hakeem better than kareem
why?
>>63783502
>not having lebron in your top 10
piggy, i think you forgot to put curry at #1
>>63779691
>where does Kobe rank among the top 50 players of all time?
top 5 along with Pippen, Jordan, Shaq and Lebron
>>63784271
I value peaks more than longevity, Hakeem had the most dominant game of any player in their prime
I wouldn't complain at anyone as long as their top three contains these 3 beasts, their impact was very comparable
He's outside the top 50. He never was an efficient enough scorer to justify his amount of shots.
Kobe is top 15 for sure. You can't compare his shit years to his prime. He was great.
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Shaq
4. Lelbron
5. T-Mac
6. Wade
7. Jordan
8. Baylor
9. KG
10. CP3
Bill Russel was a tall black man playing against 7 other teams with slow white dudes.
Most overrated player in history
>>63784606
A.I. would like a word with you
>there are people who unironically rank lebron above kobe
how young is this fucking board?
Where does AK-47 go?
He was great on my Jazz
>>63779969
Pretty accurate IMO.
I would move Magic to #6
>>63784549
>Hakeem had the most dominant game of any player in their prime
Dwyane Wade
>>63784836
>admitting your retarded on a chinese carton board
>>63784549
top 3 centers or players overall?
i understand your reasoning though, actually pretty convincing
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Kobe
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Bird
8. Shaw
9. Hakeem
10. Russell
Surprised how many people ITT saw Russell and Wilt play. I mean, Kareem and Magic at least played into the 80s, but to have been alive in the 50s/60s to witness players who were apparently better than Kobe? And with lives that long you've chosen to spend your time on /sp/? Crazy.
>no Ammo
>no Scal
Disgusting.mpeg
>>63784858
Players period, Jordan breaks the BIG man streak at 4
1.Jordan
2.Kareem
3.Russell
4.Wilt
5.Kobe
6.Bird/Magic
7.Tim Duncan
8.Lebron
9.Hakeem
10.Oscar
Chamberlain himself wrote 2 (TWO) articles for SI talkin bout how shitty the NBA was while he played in it
1. Brady
2. MJ
3. LeBron
4. P. Manning
5. Moss
6. Bird
7. Jordan
8. Marino
9. Ronaldo
10. Curry
>>63779691
in the teens somewhere.#17 i'll say. prime kober was a beast tho
>>63784993
wilt was a woman that only cared about stats. everyone from that era couldn't stand him. not the GOAT because ball is about winning and he only occasionally cared about that
>>63784855
Statistical fact. I know you have an aversion to truth, however.
Realistically around 17
REMINDER THAT WILT CHAMBERLAIN AND MAGIC JOHNSON EACH HAVE GAY SONS AND SHOULDN'T BE ON ANYONE'S TOP 10
>>63780120
b8
>>63785021
I can't even begin to imagine what asinine stat you think constitutes a fact
>>63782984
b8
>>63784549
>Hakeem had the most dominant game of any player in their prime
ahahahahaha fuck off
http://bkref.com/tiny/wYSfz
http://bkref.com/tiny/34gMS
Top 20 PER all-time in the NBA:
1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. The Admiral
5. Wilt
6. CP3
7. Bob Pettit
8. Wade
9. Durant
10. Neil "literally who" Johnston
11. Barkley
12. Kareem
13. Duncan
14. Magic
15. Karl Malone
16. Hakeem
17. Bird
18. Dirk
19. The Big O
20. Kobe
Top 20 PER post-1978-79 (before which all the components of PER weren't yet recorded) in the NBA:
1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. The Admiral
5. CP3
6. Wade
7. Durant
8. Barkley
9. Duncan
10. Magic
11. Karl Malone
12. Hakeem
*Bird misses out by 1 season*
13. Dirk
14. Kobe
15. Yao
16. Garnett
17. Westbrook
*Moses Malone misses out by 3 seasons*
18. T-Mac
19. Steph Curry
*Dr. J misses out by 3 seasons*
20. Dwight Howard
>>63785202
this
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_top_10.html
This thread is a disgrace to trolling and to actual knowledge on this board.
Why does the NBA have the most annoying autistic "fans"?
>>63779969
Switch lebron and bird, and wilt> Kareem, but other then that this is my list
>>63783347
realistically will someone ever overtake Kareem?
Shaq should not be in anybody's top 15 list. He couldn't shoot fts and the championships he won, he was a supporting player.
>>63785385
>kobetard
>>63779703
Agreed.
>>63785077
toppest kek
>>63785049
>Zangief continuing to be alive when no one particularly wants him to be
>>63785357
i thought KD maybe could, but with these injuries i highly doubt it. he also relies on driving the basketball a lot. too late for steph curry to do it, and i think LeBron will decline a lot in PPG when he's around 34, so...that's a tough one.
Of anyone playing right now, LeBron has the best shot. He's 13000 away so if he plays another 8 years and 75 games a year, he needs to average 22ppg over that time. with a year or two more it becomes increasingly more likely of course (over 10 years he only needs to average 17ppg, which he can definitely do).
Thing is, Kareem did this with only hitting 1 3 pointer his entire career. LeBron has already gotten an extra 1272 points from 3 pointers over Kareem, maybe 1800-2000 when all is said and done, so even if he surpasses him he will never pass his field goals made.
>>63785357
The only person who has a chance at joining the 30,000 club in the next few years is LeBron
Lets say LeBron ends the season with ~26,500 points. He'd need to get 1500 points a season for the next three years to hit 30k
He'd need to maintain that until 2024 in order to pass Kareem
Imo Jordan was the only player with a chance of passing Kareem and that was only if he hadn't retired both times. He MAYBE could have got to 40k
Whoever beats Kareem hasn't peaked yet
>>63785202
>>63785261
>unironically thinking p.e.r. is a good metric
>>63785485
>being zangief
literally the worst trip on /sp/
even sneak is better
>>63785515
>can't use logic to defeat me
>tries to attack my character instead
Typical unaccountable anon behavior
Be a REAL MAN and put a trip on already, you anons are the cancer that killed this board you know
>>63785202
>PER
literally the most meme stat in history
>>63785385
>he was a supporting player.
Is this supposed to be a mark against him? The reason kobr is ass right now is because he still tries to play like he is 27. If kobr played a more supportive role, as someone his age ought to, he might look less shit
>>63785557
But everytime you try to argue with me, you get BTFO.
>>63785557
Fuck off back to Reddit special snow flake.
>>63785953
I have never been BTFO on anything to do with basketball on this board
>>63785971
Sup retard that doesn't understand the purpose of trips and why they are a good thing for discussing SPORTS
PROTIP: you're still anonymous when you trip
>>63785985
Who gives a shit about fucking trip bitch. You sound like a bandwagon Fuccboi every time you post something. Don't say anything insightful anyways. Your pretty much one the shot posting anons running around with a two bite shit post. What's wrong with you cant have a discourse without someone being a trip!
>>63786037
You're gonna have to speak a known language if you want to have a proper discussion
>>63786085
You suck bro. You ain't about shit. Got that. Deal with it!
>>63779992
kids say the darndest things
>>63786096
You're my bitch bro. You ain't got shit. Got that. Deal with it!
P.S. U MAD
>>63786125
>confirmed for autism
Never said I was bitch. But I'd cut you if I have to.
>>63786142
You didn't have to say you "were bitch", you reek of it, but seriously though you seem like you have a learning disability, and as much as I like calling people retarded I don't like picking on actual retards, so good luck getting through life with you're handicap, and always remember, you are special
P.S. trip up so people know you have a low IQ before conversing with you
>>63786185
You wouldn't last in my world bitch. Your just a fake ass bitch. Don't be so pretentious youre not doing yourself that big of a favor.
>>63786185
Wow. Just wow. I am done.
Dee Oh Enn Eee DONE
You and the rest of this site and board are disgusting. Saying all of these racial slors and shit was one thing, but you do /not/ make fun of mental disabilities.
My younger brother has Downs Syndrome. You think that's funny? You think it's funny, don't you? Laugh then. Hahaha! Very fucking funny, asshole. I hope your kid gets Downs and then you see what it's like and you never use that fucking word again near me.
Just fucking die. I hope you hit your fucking head and DIE! and if you don't, I swear to god, I'll do it for you! Just fucking try me, shitbag. I'm been training Muay Thai in an afiliet gym to the one Georges St. Pierre trained under. That's right, THE great Georges St. Pierre. So lick my asshole, fucknuts.
You guys fucking disgust me.
>>63786216
I would rule your world son
>>63786220
lol, you sure it's your brother that has the downs
P.S. nice pasta
>>63786259
You're so comfy behind that keyboard. You'll slip one day irl and you better hope someone really loves you.
>>63786283
You really don't get it kid
P.S. that's why you're my bitch
>>63786336
I get it piece of shit. You're just another fucking parasite. Remember youre not righteous. You ain't whole motherfucker.
>>63786375
You speak with the delusion of the religious, how sickening
P. S. I beg to differ, I am most certainly all of me
P.P.S. you are still my bitch
P.P.P.S. still waiting for you to BTFO of me in basketball
P.P.P.P.S. bitch
>>63786440
I know your God bitch. Who says you need indoctrinated belief to think this way kiddo. I'd btfo of you in real. I have you on your heels bitch.
DEFINITIVE:
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russel
4. Chamberlain
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Lebron
>be shaw
>be naturally tall
>be fat fuck
>have ball thrown to you
>take 2 steps
>push anyone down in front of you
>slam the ball
>get the foul
>miss foul shot
Such a great player
#51
>>63779876
>no magic
>jordan anywhere but 1
>shaq at 4
troll list 0/10
All theses "top" lists with no Karl Malone. What the fuck is wrong with you faggots
I'd say he's close to MJ but slightly behind
I think at his best he's actually better, but less consistent
>>63779691
6-8~
>>63791896
This desu
3-7 is interchangeable and Hakeem is next up on the list with Oscar behind
It's impossible to compare
different era's have slightly different rules
hard to compare stats because you would need to factor in a million different things, such as every single team they played against and consider if who they played with hurt or helped there individual stats
hard to compare achievements because again, you need to compare who they were playing against and who they had on their team.
Hard to compare against people who play different positions
At the end of the day, all you can really say is that he's pretty fucking good. Perhaps top 3 overall.
Somewhere between 10 and 15
1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Hakeem
4. Kareem
5. LeBron
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Wilt
9. Russell
10. Shaq
11. Kobe
12. Oscar
13. West
14. Dirk
15. Moses
>rating niggas you've never seen play
Kek
Kobe is easily top 10 and possibly as high as 5th all time.
>>63794920
hes below jordan lebron magic kareem bird russell shack robertson
>>63794662
exactly.
Worst part is though, all the new fans watching basketball will see Kobe playing bad and think he's overrated not paying attention to the fact that the dude is 20 years in.
I have already seen people drop him from his rankings because of it, its so dumb.
Kobe the GOAT of his era. Possibly tied with Timmy if you ask me.
>>63794975
>shack
>>63779992
this anon knows how to get a laugh
>>63794827
>lebron at 5
dropped
>white boys unironically rating bird and dirk
smfh senpaitachi
>>63800714
Only racists don't rate Bird and Dirk
Whats the point of basketball anyway..?
Sooner or later there will be a guy who is like 2,50m tall and he wont even need to know how to dribble or jump. He'll just stand near the other teams basket, and anytime his team gets the ball they just throw lob it to him and he takes two steps and gently places it the basket.
>literally GOAT and he doesn't even need to be athletic
It's just literally "height-the-sport"..
And before some kek think's I'm a manlete, I am 1,95m and never bothered with basketball cause it wasn't even fun to play.
>>63800849
>implying an 8-foot-tall man would ever have the endurance to run the floor
>>63779691
2-5
He was the only reason to watch basketball in the 00s-10
>>63800849
>RARE
>FLAG
>TFW
>RARE RARE RARE RARE
>>63800849
Well, there's already guys that can do that so that's why there's rules in place like the three second rule, etc.
>>63800849
>Monaco
I feel like I just spotted a unicorn. Do I get a prize?
he isnt even top 50 right now 2bh
>>63780048
>wade actually did it
>forgets to add "with shaq, wade and lelbron"
How fucking retarded are you junior?
>>63800873
Implying he needs to run anywhere
>>63800881
the rarest
>>63800890
So he stands outside the zone before, then moves in gets ball and >basket
>>63800898
I am prize enough for you kek
