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THE greatest midfield player of all time
Excluding Messi, how can one man be so based?
>le cheeky backheel man
>le always turn in big games man
Better than Zidane tbqh
![pic_2014-10-18_FCBvsEIBAR_41.v1432031937[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ufluDUx.jpg "pic_2014-10-18_FCBvsEIBAR_41.v1432031937[1].jpg")
>>63703641
No
>>63704118
>>63703641
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Here you go kids
>>63704192
when till this meme end?
No, Xavi was better
>>63704229
The same time you learn to speak English correctly.
>never
>>63703641
sick motherfucking goal
>>63704264
shut the fuck up, Australia
>>63704192
pirlo is amazing too but iniesta is something else
>>63704192
Wake up Pirlo, WAKE UP
>>63704192
nah not really
>>63704192
Nice meme you got there.
Shouldn't you be asleep Australia?
He's so great, always present in big games. He's a really nice guy too
This man's ability to turn up on big games is unbelievable
>>63703641
top 20 midfielders maybe
did you retards forget about maradona?
poor mans Laudrup
>>63704300
>No capital at the start of the sentence.
>Can't identify my flag correctly.
>No period at the end of the sentence.
Lel.
Reminder that my country (Italia, forza Azzurri!) has four Worlds Cups to your one.
After you've won another 3 World Cups you can talk shit, assuming we haven't won a couple more by then.
>>63704452
>can't identify my flag
are you stupid? I called you Australia because NZ doesn't matter
>>63704408
>>63704452
His English is still twice better then your Spanish
>>63704497
NZ - Played in 3 different WC finals in the last 12 months
Spain - how many?
NZ - 43 total Gold medals at the Summer Olympics
Spain - 37 total Gold medals at the Summer Olympics
We're more relevant than you on the Worlds Sporting stage kek.
And that's just NZ, don't get me started on Italy.
>>63704426
He's definitely not as good as Laudrup, but both are better than Zidane. The memeiest meme about.
Not rating Iniesta as one of the GOATs is a sure fire way of outing yourself as a pleb. Same for Zidane.
>b-b-but I read their wikipedia page and they weren't stat padders.
>>63704544
>twice better
>mfw
Don't you have a genocide to conduct or something like that Serbia?
>>63703641
Overrated system babby. Never proved himself in a real league like the Prem.
>>63704791
>le man of the match in a world cup final, euro final and CL final
>overrated
sure, not winning the premier must suck for him la'
Iniesta = Zidane > Xavi > Scholes > Busquets > Laudrup
>>63704704
Yes I am trying, but I cant find New Zeland on map.
>>63704944
>scholes
>>63704944
>Buckets
>>63704944
>scholes
>>63704944
You can't compare different types of player. Ludicrous comparing Busquets and Zidane, both are GOATs at what they do.
>>63704944
Scholes was literally a janitor
only in England can a man like this be praised as a GOAT
What is Australia so mad about?
>>63704192
literal meme player
Find a flaw
The "Scholes wasn't good" meme
>>63705235
>the "scholes is the GOAT" meme
>>63705225
>le italian defending meme
>>63705225
Cafu >> Zanetti
Never saw Passarella play a game. Never heard anyone call him a GOAT either
>>63705265
Only 2 Italians...
>>63705271
>Irisih "soccer" enthusiast
>>63704192
>NYCFC
just fuck my legacy up.
>>63705225
Italian defense, Spanish mid, South American Attack, pretty godlike.
>>63705258
Literally the GOAT. He taught Xavi how to pass.
>>63704118
>>63703641
Tfw you were alive JUST IN TIME to see them both on the same team.
>>63705225
real madrid's makelele > busquest
cafu > zanetti
>>63705363
>brazilian fullbacks
no one falls for this meme anymore, you actually need to defend and not just being a less talented winger
at least you didnd't call roberto carlos
>>63705323
Scholes taught Moses to talk burningbushian, Jesus to care for one another and Muhammed to rape goats
>>63705225
No Box to Box midfielder.
You've got Maradona and Messi on the wings, tiny players not renowned for defending, so your fullbacks are gonna need A LOT OF COVER from midfield.
Get rid of mr sideways man Xavi and put a powerful player in his position, if you need Busquets performing that role you're not using his main skills so he shouldn't even be there if he's not shielding the back 4 the whole game.
Inista could be replaced by 3/4 players who would be just as good if not better, but he'll do for sure. Manlet is the only concern, might need someone who can play physical teams. Seedorf, Sneijder etc.
That Ronaldo up front better fucking be Ronaldo LuÃs Nazário de Lima, not that CR7 clown or that entire list gets thrown into the trash along with your opinion.
>>63705265
>le argentinians aren't white but argentinians with italian last name are italians meme
>>63704644
>other sports
>mattering
>>63705282
>Deluded black man
james rodriguez > messi/ronaldo super kaioken 3
No Redondo? You twats know shit about football.
>>63705417
Box to box midfielders aren't 100% needed, you should stop watching the "english" "premier" league
>>63705323
They asked Zidane back in the early 2000's 'What's it like being the best midfielder in the world' he replied 'You'll have to ask Paul Scholes'
Should be on there desu
Kek
>>63705410
Cafu:
FIFA World Cup (2): 1994, 2002, Silver 1998
Copa América (2): 1997, 1999, Silver 1991
FIFA Confederations Cup (1): 1997
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007
>Memergintina in charge of knowing football
>>63705479
Not even as good as Mascherano to be fair
>>63705495
The 'crowd the midfield with tiny passmasters' meme has been found out mate. How'd Spain go in the 2014 WC again?
Gota have some brute force in the mix these days.
>>63704192
>le can't hack it in MLS man
>>63705505
>le magical quotes about Scholes that nobody can find on videos or interviews
Just another day on /sp/
>>63705417
>and put a powerful player in his position
Could Essien have been GOAT if he didn't injured?
>>63705476
>cuando te pega la paragua.jpg
>>63705505
Zidane only obliterated Brazil and any France ambitions to win that 2006 WC final.
>>63705551
>"Paul Scholes tought me how to cook" - Lil B the Based God
>>63705592
>game was almost over heading into penalty shootout anyways
>destroyed their chances
>>63705603
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0riaxkFQU5M
>>63705603
"We took care to not kill Scholes ancestors when we bombed England. He will be more important than winning a world war"
Adolf Hitler
>>63705603
>>63705705
scholes wasn't exactly a defender
>>63705410
LOL
Bayern: Rafinha
RM: Marcelo
Barcelona: Dani alves
>Argentina is white
>>63705715
Top Kek
Makes you wonder how many future legendary players got killed or their future parents got killed in ww2.
All those poor Germans
That's why Brazil won 3 WC's in the 60's/70's, Europe still hadn't recovered from ww2 wrecking the Pro Football scene.
Brazilians on the other hand all got to hide on their continent doing fuckall to help and kept developing.
>>63705756
Wasn't he a "complete midfielder"? A DM needs to defend...
>>63705763
These 3 are wings who play as defenders, you can't deny it. None of these can defend
I'm not saying it's not the same here, it's actually quite common to move wingers to the fullback position when the actual fullback is injured and then they keep playing that position
>>63703641
I can't decide.
>>63705810
forgot pic
Guti was better than Iniesta
>>63705803
they are starters on the 3 best teams in the world for more than 5 years in a row now
i think people on these teams know more about football than you boludo
>>63705417
>No Box to Box midfielder.
kek
back to /rug/ with you
>>63705803
That's what Keane and Hargreaves were there for.
It's legendary how one of the worlds best player with the ball was so bad trying to get it back off people
His one weakness
>>63705795
>That's why Brazil won 3 WC's in the 60's/70's,
bullshit. Europe faced the biggest population boom in its history right after WW2, that generation was entering adulthood precisely in that period.
>>63705905
And they are probably the worst player in each club
>>63705962
>i think people on these teams know more about football than you boludo
cant u read man
>>63705962
terrible post
>>63705950
Oh yeah, so by that so called logic why haven't India and China dominated world Football or any team sport at all for the last 20 years then?
Skill is developed over generations, ww2 took them back several generations and it wasn't until the 70's that Europe was back up to speed
>>63705962
"worst" player in Barca's best XI: Jordi Alba
"worst" player in Madrid's best XI: whoever plays right back
Yeah Rafinha is whatever.
Both Alves and R. Carlos can defend though, just because they were used as midfielders/wingers by the team system doesn't mean they aren't defenders. R. Carlos was notorious for being literally the only Madrid player covering the left side since he could always return after an attack.
>>63706065
Jordi Alba can be as shitty as you want, but the worst player in Barça's best XI is Mascherano by far.
>>63705962
>>63706065
>>63706039
> by that so called logic why haven't India and China dominated world Football or any team sport at all for the last 20 years then?
that wasn't my logic, i was just pointing out that it's a very primitive way to explain the domination of brazil in that period
>>63706065
That's my point, clubs like Barcelona, Real or Pep's Bayern don't need defensive full backs; that's why they use wingers/wide midfielders
When you have a proper DM who (Real Madrid now doesn't have one, that's why they suck) can sit between the centrebacks when your team has the ball you don't need fullbacks
>>63705962
You literally don't know what you're talking about.
Both Cafu and R. Carlos were great defenders on top of support/attacking.
At least until 2004-2005 when they got a bit old.
Both, mind you, are miles better than Zanetti/SorÃn could ever hope to be.
>>63706132
Except these brazilians are fullbacks. Fullbacks defend and attack, if the team is always attacking then they are always attacking. But that doesn't mean they are forwards.
But what are you discussing? If Dani Alves doesn't defend that means nothing, Cafu did defended
How interesting
After almost two years of being absolutely useless, the people who haven't seen him play besides this one game call him great again
>>63706132
>When you have a proper DM who (Real Madrid now doesn't have one, that's why they suck)
they have a really good one right now but he didn't play today, casemiro. hes developing really well and in madrid's big games this year hes been the best one
but to shoehorn benzema/james into the team they didn't use him
>>63706184
He was good during the last semester.
>>63704192
you saw him play at the euros?
>>63706144
>Both, mind you, are miles better than Zanetti/SorÃn could ever hope to be.
Not really, these argies were better on the defensive role
>>63706161
No se cómo explicarte, viste Zabaleta? Jugaba de 8 y lo pasaron a 4, lo mismo con Vangioni por la izquierda
En Brasil (y también acá) muchas veces los laterales eran volantes que los bajaron (porque eran malos o porque necesitaban un lateral y le sobraban mediocampistas)
>>63706207
La diferencia es que los brasileros saben ser laterales, en Argentina tenemos que usar volantes porque directamente no tenemos laterales.
Lateral =/= central por banda. Son jugadores de ida y vuelta y tienen tanta responsabilidad de atacar como de defender en la mayoria de los esquemas.
>>63706184
>After almost two years of being absolutely useless
are you sure you're the one who hasn't seen him play?
>>63706179
>Dani Alves can't defend
Let's not fall for those dank memes. Alves is a 1vs1 defensive specialist and literally the best player in the world at stopping Penaldo (at least until last season when Penaldo himself surpassed him).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4-Z4WnBvh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QXHU-b4Obk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArFdqvjrd0k
It's Marcelo who can't defend.
>>63706202
He should have retired from international footy after he left Milan I know, but you can't deny during the 2000's he was one of the GOATS
Look at how Juventus are doing after him, tevez and drunk driver have left
>Alves/Roberto Carlos/Cafu couldn't defend
I hate this meme. It's like people automatically assume that an attacking full back is a shit defender.
>>63706184
you dumb nigger
>>63706233
Pero los laterales brasileros tampoco defienden. Viste a Marcelo y Maicon en el último mundial? Viste a Dani Alves contra Argentina? Son buenos atacando y tirando centros pero una mierda defendiendo. Zabaleta por lo menos aprendió a defender
>>63706346
>judging a player based on NT performances of a team coached by Dunga
Jesus christ how casual are you. No wonder everything you say is retarded.
Do you even watch club football?
>>63706346
Un mal partido (o incluso un mal año) no significa nada. Si es por eso tampoco estarÃa Xavi en esa formación porque está semi-retirado.
Los tres que nombrás defienden bárbaro cuando quieren.
>>63706428
I do, I rate Alves and Marcelo but based on their offensive labour (quite good) but they aren't even close to being elite in the defensive area
>>63706440
Por ahà exagero con decir que no saben defender pero no son los mejores del mundo ni por cerca
Me quedo con Rojo jugando de 3 antes que con Marcelo
>>63706334
Cafu was a legit defender. Probably learned by osmosis playing next to Maldini and Nesta
>>63707514
>too underaged to watch Cafu play in 92-93 São Paulo, 94 WC Final, the GOAT Palmeiras teams of the mid 90s, the 98 WC, and the glorious 99/00 Roma, the 02 WC team, all of that before going to Milan
>hurr he learned to defend with Maldini and Nesta
This is why nobody listens to Ireland.
>>63703641
But Zidane is the greatest player of all time and the greatest midfielder of all time.
>>63703641
>le show up in big games man
>>63705505
Pelé: Wayne Rooney is the new Pelé
Players' opinions are usually shit
>>63707762
Nice meme T B H F A M
>>63704944
Laudrup=Iniesta>Xavi>Power gap three b h>Zidane
>>63707596
>expecting anyone to watch the Hue league ever
You dumb cunt. This is why no one takes Brazil seriously. Deluded clowns.
>>63703641
BASED as fuck, all hail El Cerebro
The man is a national treasure, always shows up to big games and runs the midfield fucking ragged
glad to see rakitic is worthy of playing alongside him
>>63705476
>memelombian
>better than messi
The best big game player of all time
>2006 CL final
off the bench, set up the equaliser with a sublime pass
>2009 CL final
assisted Eto'o's opener
>2010 WC final
scored the winner, MotM display
>2011 CL final
assisted Messi's go ahead goal
>2012 Euro final
MotM display
>2015 CL final
assisted Rakitic's opener, MotM display
The only big final when I don't remember him being absolutely outstanding is Euro 2008. Also a million big performances in Classicos and earlier CL stages, like THAT goal vs Chelsea
I'm telling /sp/ for almost a year that he's better then Zidane, but no... You fuckers even rate Piro above Iniesta.
>>63704376
>Northampton town now defunct
How can they be in so much debt when everything they own is shit that's worth nothing?
Though to be fair, the worst team I've seen in sixfields is Coventry.
>>63703641
>they prefer to give the ballon d'or to the doped midget or to the crying fag, but no to this man
>>63710344
This wasn't Iniestas year tbqh. He was GOAT in 2010. The only real competition to Messi is Suarez or Nerman.
>>63710344
He's bald, pale skinned, very shy, and doesn't score a lot of goals. Kinda hard to market him to the plebs, Balloon door is only a FIFA marketing gimmick nowadays.
>>63710344
I hate that he never won it but the truth is there has never been a year where he deserved it. 2010 was his best shot because of the World Cup but he was injured for the decisive part of the 09/10 season. He was absent from pretty much every big game Barca played (both Arsenal games, both Inter games, 0-2 title decider at the Bernabeu) and only started 12 league games between January and June 2010.
>>63710294
he's very good but no way near Zidane. Zidane is top 10 players of all time.
>>63710533
Iniesta did everything what Zidane did, without chimpouts and headers, but with more agility and dribbling skills. Zidane is definitely top 10 but so is Iniesta.
>>63710587
This. And Iniesta has been doing all that with more consistency. Zidane had a tendency to go full >le invisible man every few games, sometimes even in the biggest games. No one ever mentions it for some reason but he was one of the worst players on the pitch in two consecutive CL finals in 97 and 98 playing on a team that had won it in 96 without him
>>63710587
and not to mention that Iniesta is a likeable guy unlike a potentional terrorist
>>63705196
Pls, don't be this retarded.
>>63710587
This
>getting redcarded in a WC final because you are an unprofessional hothead
>>63710725
Best defender, midfielder and striker of our generation
>>63706108
Hooooly shit you're clueless
>>63710887
also
>getting redcarded and missing 2.5 WC games including 1 knockout
This happened in 1998, but again, no one ever mentions that because we're only allowed to remember the two WC final headers and the 02 CL blooter
>>63710672
to be fair to Zidane he just made the retarded decision to go to Real Madrid instead of Barcelona where they could use his abilities to his full potential with their superior teamplay tactics
>>63711064
>Zidane he just made the retarded decision to go to Real Madrid
Remind us what he won at RM, feggit?
>>63711134
Not much, that's the point.
>>63711134
1 CL and 1 league in 5 years
>>63711235
Just like Cristiano Ronaldo?
>>63711284
Ronaldo has been there for 6 full years now so he has underachieved even more. On the other hand, Zidane was lucky enough to arrive in Madrid during Barcelona's worst 4 year stretch of the last 25 years, while Ronaldo came when Barcelona were shitting out GOAT teams like it's nothing
>>63711399
You stink of piss mate.
>>63710672
>This. And Iniesta has been doing all that with more consistency. Zidane had a tendency to go full >le invisible man every few games, sometimes even in the biggest games. No one ever mentions it for some reason but he was one of the worst players on the pitch in two consecutive CL finals in 97 and 98 playing on a team that had won it in 96 without him
True.
>1996 UEFA cup final - invisible, gets BTFO at home, team loses
>1997 CL final - invisible, his team loss (the same team that literally had won it in 1996 without him)
>1998 CL final - invisible, his team loses
>1998 WC final - clutch, scores 2 headers from set pieces after being average the entire tournament, team wins
>2000 Euro final - invisible, team wins because he's bailed out by Wiltord and Trezeguet (Zidane not involved in their goals)
>2002 CL final - clutch, team wins
>2002 CdR final - invisible, team loses
>2004 CdR final - invisible, team loses against a lower mid table side
>2006 WC final - chokes and gets sent off, team loses
Compared to Iniesta >>63710243 , Zidane has no chance.
Iniesta is literally Laudrup 2.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3_Ci3288Lg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lf4DrcRntA
>people not remembering how good Paul Scholes was in his prime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUliFG6yd4
>>63711978
top lel
>>63711978
>colorado
>ese es paul scholes
based
>>63705546
the only reason spain didn't do much on the wc is because of diego costa
they needed a villa, and the last game of the group stage proved it
>>63712876
This. And horrible defending by Casillas/Ramos/Pique. Midfield and possession football was the least of their problems
>>63712876
Yes, that's exactly their problem, not all the goals they conceded.
>>63712931
if you actually watched the netherlands game you would've realised it could've easily gone 5-1 in the other direction
>>63713188
No.
>>63713304
>no
what did he mean by this lads?
>>63713328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc
>>63713304
Confirmed for not having seen that game. It could've easily been 3/4-0 before that van Persie goal. Costa and Silva just couldn't finish for shit
>>63713385
>could have easily been 5-1
>could have easily been 3/4-0
Are we just ignoring Spain's shit defence and Ned's attacking prowess?
>>63713420
Ned Flanders wasn't playing mate.
>>63706202
The Euros where he broke England's will by Panenka'ing the shit out of Hart?
>>63705225
>Germans criminally underrated
Gerd Müller would wipe the floor with these shitlords up front
>>63705225
>Busquets
>Xavi
>Iniesta
>>63713577
He did fuck all in the actual game though.
>>63713846
Italy had England by the balls that whole game
>>63713872
He. Did. Fuck. All.
>>63704192
literally reddit the player
>>63713846
>>63713943
He dominated England in Euro 2012.
I mean, it's not like we tried to actually get the ball, but he still kept slicing us open.
>>63713943
He controlled the entire midfield and created numerous chances. If you say he did fuck all then I'm pretty sure you just watched the penalties and 2 minute highlights from the actual game
>>63714015
>>63714074
>120mins
>0-0
>there are people who rate lel liga players as goat in any aspect
smhtbhfam
>>63714104
if italy actually had decent strikers, england would've easily lost 3-0 at least
>>63714231
>yank
>knowing anything about football
>>63714303
Like Balotelli. who scored twice against Ze Germans and was one of the best players of the tournament?
>>63714104
>blaming a central midfielder for the team's inability to score
>all these buttmad spics commenting on Scholes
Why are they so obsessed?
>>63714377
They love him, foo'!
>>63714311
:^)
>>63714377
Nothing wrong with being obsessed with someone who's passing range is second to nun
>>63714438
Obsessed with your mum's stank pussy
