Is he the greatest of all time?
greatest shit talking nigger who would get banged if he played 10 minutes of the modern game
>>68052322
>comparing two different eras.
he has to be compared with players from his era
>Scoring against FC Port Worker a gazillion times makes you GOAT
>B-But they kicked him really hard :(
No, he's not GOAT. We have to appreciate what he did for football, but to say he is the GOAT is absolutely ludicrous.
Tactics back then were fucking awful. They had to make up for their lack of defensive skills and defensive organisation by kicking the shit out of each other.
>B-But he won 3 World Cups
Being surrounded by some of the greatest players of his era (Garincha, Rivellino etc.)
The true GOAT debate is between Maradona/Ronaldo/CR7/Messi, but Messi seems to be so much more versatile, consistent and just plain better than both the others I listed. Messi is the one and only GOAT for me and will only be surpassed in the next thirty years.
>>68052259
>never played in Europe
>cant get an erection
>refuses to acknowledge his team mates
>of his 3 world cups he actually only played good in 1
>shits on Romario for counting some of his 1000goals in friendlies whilst Pele counts goals scored in corporate friendlies, and tv adverts
>>68052403
who is the goat in your opinion
>>68052376
>CR7
Rasheed
>>68052427
I put him in there to shut up the guys who think he is GOAT. I don't think he's top 5. Somewhere in the top 10 though.
>>68052376
>CR7
He's definitely the best of his era and deserves a spot on every top 10 list strictly because of that.
Football was still a joke back then.
>>68052259
>le score a gorillion goals against Clube do Futebol Huehueheue and FC 70's America man
Garrincha was better.
>>68052425
Zidane
Absolutely nobody commanded a game like Zidane.
>>68052539
>ecuador
>>68052539
>ecuadork
How can anyone say it is not Messi?
>>68052603
i hope this is bait. Even rivaldo was better than that arab fucker
>>68052604
Deusdedeth please.
>>68052612
Build wall.
>>68052622
imho zidane > messi
>>68052638
I'd agree, but Zidane lasted longer.
>>68052622
some people started watching football before 09
>>68052639
those are nicknames idiot
>>68052376
>scoring against Getafe, Sporting Gión and Malmo a gazillion times make you GOAT
this argument will literally be made 30 years from now
>>68052642
lmao, Messi is just as good a playmaker as Zidane while also being the best dribbler of all time and a top 3 goalscorer of all time.
>>68052639
hoIy shit, someone from ecuadork has electricity
>>68052603
You mean except Scholes, Xavi, Laudrup, Vieira, Matthäus, Keane and Iniesta right? Because they're all comfortably better than le highlight big games meme man.
Like it's not even debatable.
Do you want a player who will pull of 2-3 nice tricks/flicks in a final and be anonymous all season or do you want someone who can actually control and dominate leagues for 10 years and pick up every trophy going? Because if it's the latter then I have no idea why you think Zidane is so great.
>>68052687
good point my hue friend.
>Scoring a gazilion times against Eibar, rayo vallecano makes you goat
>>68052539
>Garrincha was better.
>mfw
How to make your opinion irrelevant on any footballing subject ever:
>Put trip on
>Say Zidane is unironically the GOAT
He's like top 30, but not the GOAT.
>>68052687
>Scoring against literal dock workers
>Scoring against full time players who train hard almost everyday
Gee, I wonder which is harder.
>>68052687
that's already being argued today.
>>68052698
>Messi is just as good a playmaker as Zidane
proof needed
sure, messi is fun to see with all that tiki taka, and probably the best dribller ever, still can0t compare in terms of football vision with zidane
>>68052713
This is a post made by a person who actually watched Zidane play.
youtube babby if there ever was one. Give me Scholes over Zidane any day (and I don't even consider Scholes to be the GOAT midfielder)
>>68052729
https://youtu.be/G2RRbrVxxOo?t=22s
>>68052763
shit i'd take pirlo over zidane if u asked me. Zidane is overrated as fuck
>>68052780
>ask for proof
>links me to a youtube video
kek, even tsunaldo looks good on youtube compilation videos
GOAT era
>2005 onwards: Ronaldinho, Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka, Rooney, Suarez, Iniesta, Scholes, Zlatan, Martial, Neuer, de Gea, Ferdinand, Vidic
Good era
>60s/70s
Cruyff, Best, Eusébio, Charlton, Moore, Beckenbauer, Pele & other meme Brazillians, di Steffano, Puskas
Shit era
>90s/early 00s
Zidane, Fat Ronaldo, Batistuta, Nedved, Beckham, Figo, Kahn, Stam, Maldini and other Nostalgia babbies that most people on this board grew up watching and for psychology reasons (selection biases, positive affect etc.) seem to overrate to fuck
It's the truth and you know it. Deep down, you know what I'm saying is true.
We are currently in the GOAT age. Embrace and enjoy it. It'll maybe never happen again.
>>68052825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyPYcAl2tcs
Confirmed for GOAT.
>>68052831
Not happy with the formatting of this post so I'm going to post it again with the correct greentexting.
Here...I...go
GOAT era
>2005 onwards
Ronaldinho, Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka, Rooney, Suarez, Iniesta, Scholes, Zlatan, Martial, Neuer, de Gea, Ferdinand, Vidic
Good era
>60s/70s
Cruyff, Best, Eusébio, Charlton, Moore, Beckenbauer, Pele & other meme Brazillians, di Steffano, Puskas
Shit era
>90s/early 00s
Zidane, Fat Ronaldo, Batistuta, Nedved, Beckham, Figo, Kahn, Stam, Maldini and other Nostalgia babbies that most people on this board grew up watching and for psychology reasons (selection biases, positive affect etc.) seem to overrate to fuck
It's the truth and you know it. Deep down, you know what I'm saying is true.
We are currently in the GOAT age. Embrace and enjoy it. It'll maybe never happen again.
If any other player is a one club man, he is treated like a god by the soccer community
But when Messi, the GOAT, is a one club man, people insist that he isn't good because he hasn't "proven himself" in other leagues, despite winning multiple CL's and being the focal reason for doing so
>HATERS
>>68052921
That's only because he's still an active player and a lot of people are assblasted at his success and try to be edgy contrarians.
In 15 years he will be considered the unanimous GOAT (and Donaldo will be top 10)
>>68052921
No actually, he's not a one club man. Barca signed Messi from Barca B in 2004.
>>68052952
>(and Donaldo will be top 10)
You mean top 2, right?
>>68053052
Possibly.
>>68053042
>China
>>68052376
>PK7
Ahmed pls
>>68052880
Fat ronaldo in his prime is way better than most from the GOAT era
I'm 36 and I always thought Maradona was GOAT but now there's really no discussion, Messi is the absolute GOAT
>>68052880
>Scholes
Christ alive people still fall for this
>>68053138
Not even better than the real Ronaldo.
>>68053717
The real Ronaldo is the Brazilian, unless you're an Arab teen Mehmet
>>68053876
The real Ronaldo is the one that springs to mind when you say Ronaldo.
i.e. Cristiano
>Ronaldo
3 champions leagues
3 league titles
>Fat bald Ronaldo
0 champions leagues
1 league title (in a team with beckham, figo, zidane, raul)
case closed
>>68052259
I don't think you can say a player is the best of all time (or of the world for that matter) but he is one of those players that dominated the game. Pelé, Maradona, Di Stéfano, Messi, Zidane all have something special when you see them play.
>>68052880
>Scholes
you englards are 2 cheeky sometimes
>>68057959
>this delusion
Martial > Pele
Best > Maradona
Law/Charlton > di Stefano
Cristiano > Messi
Scholes > Zidane
>>68052259
Messi is the best player ever imo
Pele is so full of himself, hes nowhere near Messi and should just shut up already
>>68057538
Actually, most footballers say the real Rinaldo when referring to the Brazilian one so wrong, Ahmed
>>68052259
>Le scoring without offside nigger
>>68052427
>>68052464
>>68053103
>they actually think a tax-dodging, autistic manlet is better than TSUUUUUUUUU
No surprise, /sp/ is always wrong about these things.
>bumping this 5 seconds before it's archived
please go
>>68063394
People always said some promising player is next Messi, nobody ever said next Ronaldo, easy like that
>>68063394
t. homosexual spic
>>68063490
falling for the troll
>>68063442
Damn I never even thought of that but that's absolutely true
>>68063496
Maybe it's this guy posting
>>68063442
That kinda work both ways thou
>>68058093
I agree with the others but martial is not better than Pele, he's a generic pacebanby
>>68058093
Is this meant to be an example of delusion
>>68052713
>Do you want a player who will pull of 2-3 nice tricks/flicks in a final
Even then he once got shut out of a CL final by Paul Lambert.
Garrincha was better. Prove me wrong
>>68058093
im so glad fergie retired so you can feel some of that liverpoop feel again (the feeling of despair)
>>68052259
You fuckers never heard of Cruijff?
Singlehandedly changed the game to modern standards, whilst playing better than any other player of his era. He was also a very good manager. Very influential.
He was truely GOAT.
>>68066759
I've always found extremely funny how people claim Messi was the new Maradona because muh Getafe goal while he is literally Manlet Cruyff.
>>68052713
>scholes
>>68066759
>no sticky
>ever
If he were really GOAT, he'd have had a sticky when he died.
>>68052880
Some might be overrated, such as Beckahm, Figo, maybe Maldini or Zidane. But fat Ronaldo is not overrated at all, same with Zidane.
>>68069260
I meant maybe Maldini or Batistuta.
>>68063442
>>68063547
That's totally false. It depends on their style
>Next Ronaldo
Depay
Hazard
Douglas Costa
Robben
Obertan
Nani
>Next Messi
Januzaj
Coutinho
Gotze
Koke
Bojan
etc.
>>68070331
>He thinks there will be another player on Messi's level
>>68052259
Pele was great, but it was a whole different sport back then. You can't pinpoint an all time best, but it is surely between Pele/Maradona/Messi.
greatest example of american media hype. never proved himself in europe.
>>68052880
>martial
>>68052322
>muh modern game
kek
>>68052880
>Martial, Neuer, de Gea, Ferdinand, Vidic
triggered hard
>1958, lucky goals
>1962, didnt even play
>1966, failed
>1970 got carried
yea hes the goat .. at fucking trannies
i cringe watching you guys discuss this.
Go ask your grandpa what he thinks,thats what i did.
>Best player
Pelé,but Messi getting there
>Most skilled
Maradona
>4th(old third before Messi came)
Zidane
now fuck off and stop talking about players that the most action you saw was a 5 minute highlights youtube video
Different eras make it impossible
>no diet, drinking and smoking
>primitive training
>no sports science
>not so many doctors with blood spinning and all that shit
>pitches churned up to fuck
>balls solid as fuck
>tackles that don't end lives generally allowed
The thing going for Pele is that he was one of the most complete players ever. Physically he was a complete anachronism. His overall scoring record doesn't really come into it.
>>68076624
no one but jews and brazilians think that pele is the best ever, and if you ask here they will say Ronaldinho was better than Pele
Many people in Brazil claim that Leonidas was the GOAT, I've never seen him playing but many people say he was the best.
You can't say Pelé is not one of the GOATs, he never lost a squad game while playing with Garrincha, score more goals than anyone and won the brazilian league a lot of times (even the weakest teams in Brazil that time were better than the european ones).
People say that the true GOAT is Messi are delusional, he can't win a freaking WC. By that standard we can't compare him and Pelé. Soccer is becoming even more a physical sport and many of you think Messi is GOAT for this, while at Pelé's time, everyone had the most advanced physical attributes they could have (soccer didn't have the infrastructure that it has now) and he still BTFO a lot of people.
Many of those players that you guys cited don't even can be compared to true GOATs like: Careca; Zico; Rivaldo; Rivelino (IIRC Maradona's insipiration) ; Socrates; Ronaldo; Romario; Bebeto and even Rivaldo.
Pelé>Maradona>Messi
Just this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGoVXtgNHc
>>68077135
Orlando Friedenrich scored more goals than him.
