Looking for an upper class woman that I could dedicate my life to.
Like become her slave, exist only to please her and give her pleasure.
Her dominating me all the way mentally.
I want to serve her and find fulfillment in making her happy.
I expect her to love me, but also own me and treat me like her mere toy.
I want to see domination in her eyes, and grin on her face when she looks into my obedient eyes while I kneel before her.
And most of all I want to know she enjoys herself.
I'm a fit 6'3" tall well educated guy. I know my value and have my honor.
That's why I need her to be a decent woman so I can still look up to her.
Considering 90% of women are idiots it is really hard to find a decent one.
Any helpful tips? Thanks.
Pretty much exactly what I want in a woman. Sad there aren't many on 4chan.
>>23414961
I am a virgin and so, I would fuck her.
>>23414961
What's your skype? I want to add you so I can tell you I'd never fuck you. That would pleasure me and make me happy.
>>23415136
Also I'm saving my virginity for my groveling sub and you will NEVER be as good of a sub as him. You are literally pathetic, you are like a laughable and retarded sub. You are NOT obedient unless you post your skype. Otherwise you are just a coward.
>I know my value and have my honor.
>Looking for an upper class woman that I could dedicate my life to.
>Like become her slave, exist only to please >her and give her pleasure.
>Her dominating me all the way mentally.
doesn't compute
OP here
>>23415147
it does
there is nothing wrong with serving a powerful goddess.
and that's the type of woman I'm looking for.
>>23415136
>>23415143
you are a troll or the 90%
please leave
>>23415478
You're fucking stupid. Good luck losing your virginity gaylord.
>>23415478
Well at least you have standards I guess
I'm into femdom too but acting it up irl would fuck me up probably
>>23414961
You're asking for the impossible OP. A woman isn't going to love you and treat you the way you want to be treated. Your best bet is to find a faithful woman that you have a traditional relationship and then some slut on the side willing to degrade you with no commitment
>>23416118
this is not what I'm looking for
>A woman isn't going to love you and treat you the way you want to be treated.
why?
>>23416167
Because it's not about what you want.
You are obviously a selfish sub, so a bad sub. What woman would want their sub bossing them around and telling them what to do. It's about me not you. You are stupid you think you have a choice.
You are really stupid for not basically desperately groveling for any girl that shows ANY interest in you.
>Having standards
Look at how retarded you look, autist.
>>23414961
>I'm a fit 6'3" tall well educated guy. I know my value and have my honor.
This is wrong. I hope a psychotic woman beats this out of you, I think days of isolation would work pretty well actually. Beatings would be more attention than you deserve.
>>23416167
It's a respect thing. Women are about status. They can feel high and mighty having a personal servant but then that's exactly what you'll always be to them. A servant. They'll always crave (no offense meant) a "real man." I understand your kink, I have it too. But to get a truly alpha female to dominate you and remain in a loving relationship is probably impossible. For one, she'll always feel she needs more and two, you'll always crave that dominance even when she starts getting fat and old. Being a good looking guy, you're going to have options well past when hers expire. You'll cheat if she doesn't. It's best to just do a traditional relationship so you both respect each other.
>>23416205
Here we have someone who has no fucking idea what a D/s relationship is all about. People like you make the scene terrible.
>>23416219
It's funny because I think the same thing about you. You seem like a total fake bs cheesy wannabe sub.
If I want a demanding little asshole I'll just date a normal man. Thanks.
>>23416257
I'm not a brat tamer. I'm actually 100% dom who wants a GOOD boy, who is obedient and INTELLIGENT.
OP is a sub as much as the cast of Jersey Shore are subs. He's obviously a vapid, selfish, loser. Jumping into the BDSM scene because of Twlight and 50 Shades of Grey.
>>23416257
Lol, I'm not OP nor looking for what he's looking for. You've obviously had no experience in the lifestyle besides what you've watched in porn and read about in 50 shades of shit.
D/s is primarily about trust from BOTH ends. Any sub willing to just throw himself to any woman is a shit sub. The sub has to earn the domme, true, but the domme has to be worthy of accepting the subs submission as well.
You sound like one of those spoiled little bitches who think kink is all about power and bossing people around. It's people like you that make the scene so shitty. Try and learn what the lifestyle is actually about before dissing other people.
OP here
>>23416205
>Because it's not about what you want.
When did I say otherwise?
What I 'want' is to find a girl that is compatible with me.
And then it's all about what she wants.
>It's about me not you.
Again I didn't say anything to deny this.
>>23416213
>This is wrong. I hope a psychotic woman beats this out of you
I have value and honor compared to others, not to her.
To her I'm no more than her property and obedient toy.
>I think days of isolation would work pretty well actually.
This is the incompatible thing.
Isolation is nothing about love.
>Beatings would be more attention than you deserve.
I'm sure you are wrong with that.
>>23416271
>He's obviously a vapid, selfish, loser.
Far from it. How do you know?
>Jumping into the BDSM scene because of Twlight and 50 Shades of Grey.
Lol, no. I had this thing loooong before.
It's not some fetish to me. It defines me.
To the point I'm not interested in a casual relationship anymore.
>>23416278
>D/s is primarily about trust from BOTH ends. Any sub willing to just throw himself to any woman is a shit sub. The sub has to earn the domme, true, but the domme has to be worthy of accepting the subs submission as well.
this
>>23416301
Any sub who isn't humble is a shit tier sub.
Obviously OP meant a girl who's hot, that's OBVIOUSLY all he cares about.
>>23416290
This is all hilarious that he's even trying to make it sound like it's not all about sex for him.
>not interested in a casual relationship anymore.
LOL.
Proof that he's vapid is because FIRST things he chooses to point out about himself:
>fit 6'3" tall
He's probably posting on /r9k/ about how manlets will never get laid or something right now.
>>23416327
If I wanted to get treated bratty as OP probably is I'll look for a spoiled white supremacist /pol/ tier /b/tard. Pic related. He's obviously magnificent guys!
>>23416278
>porn and read about in 50 shades of shit.
ROFL, I called you 50 shades of grey first you absolute cuck faggot.
OP wouldn't know the first thing about serving. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the shit hole of the internet posting about it. Just show SOME humility and admit how much of a pathetic peice of shit you are, OP. I think that's the ONLY way to get a real dom's attention. The way you advertise yourself is like you are looking for a 13 year old girl with low self esteem to tell her what she wants. But welcome to 4chan I guess.
>>23416354
You don't know the first thing about being a domme. You think it's all about power and looking down on people. You come across as a spoiled, selfish brat who isn't a powerful dominant woman, but just a bitch looking for an outlet. You're toxic to the community and people like you are shunned by any self respecting subs.
OP here
>>23416213
>I think days of isolation would work pretty well actually
Do you even know how would this hurt me?
Not being able to see my goddess, to please her?
This is just cruel, and has nothing to do with domination.
The one thing I 'want' my mistress is to love me.
And low-tier malice has nothing to do with love.
>>23416271
>Twlight and 50 Shades of Grey.
btw, I haven't even watched these. Afaik they are plebeian shit.
>>23416327
>>23416354
>Any sub who isn't humble is a shit tier sub.
>Just show SOME humility and admit how much of a pathetic peice of shit you are, OP
I have no reason to be humble before the world which is shit compared to me.
That's why I want my mistress to be better than me. So I can truly look up to her and admire her.
So that she sees no hesitation in me when I worship her with all my heart.
>trying to make it sound like it's not all about sex for him.
It's not, although I guess it is an important part.
Especially it is important for me to sexually please my mistress.
>He's probably posting on /r9k/ about how manlets will never get laid or something right now.
Please, stop shitposting and at least have a worthy discussion. This is why I assumed you are a troll.
>I think that's the ONLY way to get a real dom's attention.
Well, that's a problem, because I'm not going to grovel before the whole world to let a decent woman spot me.
I want to grovel before her for how great she is compared to me.
Think of that relationship as a decent guy + a goddess, not a piece of shit guy + typical woman.
>The way you advertise yourself is like you are looking for a 13 year old girl with low self esteem to tell her what she wants.
As I stated above, this is not true.
>>23416278
It's like your telling me what my standards should be. Sorry I value things like intelligence, humility, and kindness over vapid rat race mentality guys like OP.
>>23416380
>be humble before the world which is shit compared to me.
Elliot Rodgers level.
Anyone is better than you.
>It's not, although I guess it is an important part.
>Especially it is important for me to sexually please my mistress.
So basically admitted its all about sex.
This is why you are a shit sub.
>>23416393
>intelligence, humility, and kindness over vapid rat race mentality guys like OP.
why do you think you know so much about me?
because you are wrong all along.
I'm intelligent, humble to those who are worthy of this, kind to everyone who does not piss me off.
How you decided I have a 'rat race mentality' is a mystery to me.
I'm not even advertising myself in the first post. I'm just stating the facts and expecting advice.
>>23416414
I'm not going to say anything else because I feel like you've just proven my point and proven.
Just go to a whore and pay for it because you are never ever ever going to get a dom from who you are as a person.
And of all places you think you can find a girl like that from fucking soc? And you think you deserve her? You should try not to be in the 90% of guys who are idiots instead of whining on the internet. Or become a fucktoy for some sadistic asshole like me:3
>>23416414
>Anyone is better than you.
I'm sorry to hear that. Note taken.
as I said, I have my value. I can't really understand why you would like to have a piece of shit tier guy. Wouldn't it be degrading to you to accept some low tier guy? Wouldn't it show your power to enslave a decent guy and break him totally into absolute obedience?
>So basically admitted its all about sex.
It's not 'all' about it.
>Just go to a whore and pay for it because you are never ever ever going to get a dom from who you are as a person.
;_;
OP here, pic related it's me!
>>23416429
>Just go to a whore and pay for it because you are never ever ever going to get a dom from who you are as a person.
This is about relationship. Her being the whole world to me. So that I can kneel before her and look into her eyes with fear of how powerful she is.
It's not just about sex, so a whore would not do.
>>23416459
>OP here, pic related it's me!
Who the hell is this? lol
>>23416441
>Or become a fucktoy for some sadistic asshole like me:3
How do I do that?
OP here
>>23416441
>And of all places you think you can find a girl like that from fucking soc?
I'm not looking for one here.
I'm just asking for some advice.
>And you think you deserve her?
I think a decent guy who willfully wants to dedicate his life to such a girl is on a good way to deserving her. Am I wrong?
>You should try not to be in the 90% of guys who are idiots instead of whining on the internet.
I'm not.
>Or become a fucktoy for some sadistic asshole like me:3
I'm being accused it's all about sex to me, but it isn't.
Although I wouldn't protest becoming a fucktoy to a decent girl.
After all it's all about what she wants and orders.
>>23415516
top tip top kek
>>23415516
You sound upset
>>23416465
>This is about relationship. Her being the whole world to me. So that I can kneel before her and look into her eyes with fear of how powerful she is.
>It's not just about sex, so a whore would not do.
It's really insulting that you pretend like that's what it is when you are so shallow, vapid, and egotistical. It's obviously not about the other person. Stop falsely advertising yourself.
It's Elliot Rodgers, idiot. You basically.
>>23416497
>just asking for some advice.
Stop falsely advertising yourself.
Oh yea it's all about what she wants and orders as long as she's a 9 out of 10 for your magnificent self, right?
Do you not see how you are a goddamn hypocrite and liar.
Maybe your stressed from holding two completely differing opinions at once or something, try Cognitive therapy.
>>23416497
Well those kind of girls are rare, especially if you think 90% of us are idiots, and there are more sub guys than dom girls anyway. Maybe deserve is a wrong word but not everyone can have the best. And I didnt accuse you just wanting sex, just said people like me are more common, dominant sexually but far from alpha and want be equal with their partner outside bedroom.
>>23416534
She sounds like a total bitch. She probably doesn't have a clue what it's like to really be a domme. Hell, she's still a virgin, lmao. Yet insulting OP and insinuating the same.
>>23415143
>saving my virginity for my groveling sub
Sounds right out of a shitty porno
OP, don't take advice from this wannabe, haha
>>23415143
Just passing by and lurking the threads on /soc/, but you are really anally devastated aren't you.
Is it because you don't meet the OP's criteria of an upper class woman, and you're a bottom feeder? Coming to the realization that you are just a nobody.
I think you're projecting your frusterations, especially with the whole posting of Elliot Rogers. Maybe because the OP might genuinely be tall and handsome and it's something you would never have.
>>23416546
>It's obviously not about the other person.
It is. I'm really sad you think otherwise. Can't even find a reason you do so. You just decided I'm like that without even knowing me. Think about it.
And yes, it is all about my mistress. I want to fully belong to her, serve her and grovel at her feet.
Of course it gives me pleasure to make her happy.
>It's Elliot Rodgers, idiot. You basically.
Don't know who he is and I guess I'm not interested.
>Oh yea it's all about what she wants and orders as long as she's a 9 out of 10 for your magnificent self, right?
If you are referring to how she looks, then no.
I just need her to be better than me so that I can look up to her.
You can define 'better'.
But I guess the most important thing is how she values herself. That would be a good start.
>Do you not see how you are a goddamn hypocrite and liar.
I'm not. See above.
>Maybe your stressed from holding two completely differing opinions at once or something, try Cognitive therapy.
At least try to have a discussion here and try to understand what I want to say instead of shouting. It leads nowhere.
>>23414961
Women do not naturally dominate men. Estrogen is contradictory to the biological facilitation of these kinds of urges. You have to pay them to do this. This is why "dominatrix" is a career option for women. They will never fully enjoy themselves in these roles. They will not love a man who they're required to dominate, especially not a man who's appearance and education traditionally fit the reverse role of being a dominant authority figure over them.
tl;dr you gotta pay, and you're shit out of luck when it comes to combining your fetish with genuine feelings.
>>23416556
>dominant sexually but far from alpha
I really think this is just an attitude.
How would you think about yourself if you could enslave a decent guy and make him grovel by your feet looking obediently into your eyes.
Isn't this alpha tier?
>want be equal with their partner outside bedroom.
I don't mind that.
What I'm looking for is not simple domination. More like I want to belong to a girl.
To do whatever she wants and makes her happy.
>This entire thread.
>>23416546
You are really trying hard to paint him bad, yet at this point you've slung so much shit it's all over you too. Please. Stop. The sheer amount of effort you put in is only making you look stupid.
>>23416578
I'm not into the whole thing, so I can't give a whole lot of legitimate advice. All I can advise is that you seem to be very narrow minded in your options. By automatically assuming so few stand on equal footing, (90% comment) you are shutting a lot of good doors. That all said, I think if you broaden your horizons and keep looking for the Goddess you'll have more luck then if you keep trying to pick through the same barrel over and over again.
>>23416581
This is interesting. Thanks for your post.
But I guess there are some girls that really enjoy dominating men.
>>23416604
Even girls who do get off on it, they don't enjoy it in the context of relationships. They become sex workers and charge men for the "privilege" of being dominated, while still seeking out tall, socially successful, dominant men for their personal sexual and emotional relationships.
Nobody respects submissive men. It irks us on an instinctive procreational level. This is the same reason the vast majority of cuckold fetishists are so miserable. Because their fetish is inherently incompatible with the things women need to feel emotionally invested.
Like I said, being a submissive male is pay to play only, and the chances of finding a woman who will accept that in an emotional relationship are improbably low. OP even admits this to himself in his first post by claiming he feels that 90% of women are by default mentally beneath him.
>>23416677
>tall, socially successful, dominant men
I'm like that in everyday life.
I just want to be submissive to her.
>This is the same reason the vast majority of cuckold fetishists are so miserable
Because they are. Even I see them that way.
My fetish is not about being a rubbish myself,
but about serving a powerful and decent woman. There is no shame in this.
>and the chances of finding a woman who will accept that in an emotional relationship are improbably low.
I would really like you to be mistaken here, but chances are you are right.
The problem is I do not care for a typical relationship anymore.
>claiming he feels that 90% of women are by default mentally beneath him.
I don't expect them to be more intelligent than me.
Just not to be complete retards that I would find impossible to respect.
>>23416677
>Even girls who do get off on it, they don't enjoy it in the context of relationships. They become sex workers and charge men for the "privilege" of being dominated
Don't tell me every girl like this is a whore. This is not true.
>>23416677
> They become sex workers and charge men for the "privilege" of being dominated, while still seeking out tall, socially successful, dominant men for their personal sexual and emotional relationships.
>Nobody respects submissive men. It irks us on an instinctive procreational level. This is the same reason the vast majority of cuckold fetishists are so miserable. Because their fetish is inherently incompatible with the things women need to feel emotionally invested.
I agree so I don't see how advertising the most vapid parts of yourself will get you out of that system though. That's why he's stupid for not doing something different and separating himself from the crowd of pathetic desperate looking subs. He's like a meta example of the worse kinds of subs.
>>23416746
>how advertising the most vapid parts of yourself
I was not advertising myself. I stated the facts and look for advice.
But I like clear situations. So if I would advertise myself, this info would be there anyway, maybe not in the first place.
>That's why he's stupid for not doing something different and separating himself from the crowd of pathetic desperate looking subs.
I'm not desperate. I'm just giving up because cannot find a girl I'm looking for.
And what I'm doing is being honest. I really want to belong to a girl that I find right. And by right I mean one that I can truly respect. Then I would like to serve her will whole my existence. Put her needs above mine. Make her understand her simple wish is worth more than my life.
She would hold enormous power over me. That's why I want someone who is worthy of this and one I can trust not to maliciously abuse me.
>of the worse kinds of subs.
Please try to read what I write and maybe you can change your opinion on me.
Since you are active in this thread your opinion matters to me, but I really would like it to be based on facts instead of accusations.
>>23416703
It doesn't matter how successful you are outside the context of being submissive if they see you as submissive.
Would you eat a nice juicy steak if you were told the center was gooey rancid shit? That's how women feel when they discover that a superficially attractive man is submissive on the inside.
>>23416720
I think considering them to be "whores" is probably part of your problem. Dominatrixes (Dominatrii?) don't have sex with their clients, or even directly fondle or stimulate their genitals for that matter.
Honestly your best bet is to simply hide the submissive aspects of your fetish and disguise it as an aggressive desire. Women soak themselves for that whole Twilight cliche of "I lust for you so much that I want to fulfill you and make you happy and destroy any other man that so much as looks at you," but a male serving and being owned and treated like a toy are mutually exclusive with emotional connection in women. Women simply don't do these things to men they care about.
>>23416804
>That's how women feel when they discover that a superficially attractive man is submissive on the inside.
The problem is I have no interest in women who would not accept me being submissive.
And I'm not going to change this, because my submissiveness in relationship is what defines me. This is what I need most.
>considering them to be "whores"
It's how you defined them.
>Dominatrixes (Dominatrii?) don't have sex with their clients, or even directly fondle or stimulate their genitals for that matter.
Still these are 'other sexual activities'.
If it's anything more, than this would be a form of relationship.
Which would be wrong in such case. And, according to you, impossible,
>Women simply don't do these things to men they care about.
I'm sure women in general don't. But do you really want to say there are no women who like this?
>>23416843
>The problem is I have no interest in women who would not accept me being submissive.
There's a difference between acceptance and desire. You will find time and time again that women would say something like "oh yea, i get that, but I'm so not into it"
>It's how you defined them.
I called them sex workers, not whores. I'm starting to get the feeling your issues go deeper than your sub fetish.
>If it's anything more, than this would be a form of relationship.
That's the point. They never are.
>do you really want to say there are no women who like this?
I'm not going to say the kind of woman you want doesn't exist, because I'm sure out of 3 billion women on this planet there are a handful that exist somewhere, but for all intents and purposes to you they may as well not exist.
Your problem is that you've internalized this unrealistically specific fetish of yours to be the only possible reality you can accept, and you've done so in such a way that there's this facade of potential fulfillment that ultimately causes you nothing but disappointment.
>>23416884
>There's a difference between acceptance and desire.
I don't want the girl to do this just for me. That would be something I would not accept and what I would feel bad about.
I want it to fulfill her needs in the first place.
But of course this is what I need too and cannot just forget.
>Your problem is that you've internalized this unrealistically specific fetish of yours to be the only possible reality you can accept, and you've done so in such a way that there's this facade of potential fulfillment that ultimately causes you nothing but disappointment.
I wouldn't have probably started this thread otherwise.
>>23416746
Why is it okay for men to have submissive women to fuck but a sin for women to have submissive men to fuck? You're missing the entire point of the D/s relationship. It's all about communication between a partner who identifies as a Dominant and one as a submissive to play out their wildest fantasies.
If you're not a troll and you are actally a woman whom is a Domme, then I actually share a lot if kinks with you, but communication is lacking. You're wrong about one thing: in the end it is, indeed, all about sex.
If you think that sex has absolutely no place in a D/s relationship, then you should find another community to be a part of. Final point: sub women are subs because they like the idea of being overpowered and ruthlessly fucked. Guy subs like that, too... what a surprise!
>>23415136
>>23415143
i will be that groveling sub, please, i will submit completely to you
>>23417453
pretty much this
>>23415143
>Also I'm saving my virginity
this may be the reason for your unrealistic attitude towards D/s relationship
how old are you?
>>23418856
You get it.
OP here
>>23417453
>Why is it okay for men to have submissive women to fuck but a sin for women to have submissive men to fuck?
The question of this thread is: are there girls who find actual pleasure in being Dommes?
>You're wrong about one thing: in the end it is, indeed, all about sex.
>If you think that sex has absolutely no place in a D/s relationship, then you should find another community to be a part of.
Absolutely agree. Maybe you >>23416746 are looking for something completely different from a D/s relationship?
You seem like you want to just have a worthless man to abuse him and then throw away.
Probably you will find someone like that, but not in this community. We value trust and love.
Think of a dog you own. It worships you but you do not make it suffer. It is always there for you ready to be your plaything, but expects some love, even if it is based on the owner-property or mistress-slave relationship.
>>23419136
Let's assume you are not trolling
How does he get it?
You know nothing about him, yet you somehow 'like' him already after this single statement? this is naive.
Being a decent guy I have much more to submit to you than some worthless rag that you re looking for.
The real domination is about breaking someone who is strong into total obedience and becoming your absolute slave that worships you like a goddess.
Looking for a miserable guy who has nothing to offer to you is low.
This is exactly what I'm not looking for in my mistress. This is what does not follow my 'requirements' when it comes to such relationship.
>>23419187
The real fun is bringing someone's self esteem back up who originally thought they were worthless, and finding value together rather than basing it off of shallow vapid bullshit that society brainwashes you into believing has 'value'.
You are truly weak because you are feeding a system that hates you and wants you to fail.
OP here
>>23419297
oh, wow
are you a feminist?
My value is not based on bullshit. It is based on years of hard work and education, on devotion to being better and better in what I do. It is based on who I am and how I am able to interact with other people.
Contrary to 'finding' some imaginary value in people who are literally worthless.
The system does not want me to fail. It wants me to take part in it for mutual prosperity. Do you really think you are entitled to receiving things for free just because you exist? Please...
But this is all really offtopic here.
>>23419297
btw. there is no 'system'
These are just other people around you that you must interact with.
You seem to be incompatible with how society works and try to blame it for this.
Society IS about real values and honor, otherwise it denies its very origins and collapses.
It is a good thing to try to be the best. It gives profit to everyone.
Contrary to what you think that you should blame success and praise underachievers.
And this is how 90% of you think. "If I cannot be successful, then no one will!".
This is why I'm looking for my mistress in the remaining 10%.
For woman who thinks just like that: "The 90% of other girls are worthless compared to me".
And one who does not blame everyone around for her failures, but instead stands up and tries again.
Then I can truly respect such woman and look up to her.
Surely I would do my best to support her. But she needs some foundations instead of being a spoiled crybaby.
You are probably so far away from this picture you have no chance to even understand what I'm talking about.
Just don't expect anyone to respect you with that attitude of yours.
bumping this thread
>>23419508
No I think you are brainwashed into a school of thought that wants to make you feel like shit all the time so you value those shallow things as what human worth is.
>It is a good thing to try to be the best. It gives profit to everyone.
I totally agree with this but I think it should be about personality and intelligence rather than superficial things.
>>23419508
>For woman who thinks just like that: "The 90% of other girls are worthless compared to me".
Basically you want to be a cunt elitist asshole, THIS sounds like feminism to me.
this is all very interesting,
but I don't see much on this:
>>23414961
>Any helpful tips?
>>23420474
You have a lot of great points, but you're still confused about what a D/s relationship entails.
>Should be about personality and intelligence rather than superficial things.
And you're right, but wouldn't it have been more helpful to say that from the beginning instead of insulting everything you come across?
Wow this thread.
Where do I even start?
Any relationship, ESPECIALLY a power exchange relationship, has to have a good foundation.
Obviously if you're on /Soc/ asking for any kind of relationship advice you're already fucked. Sooooooooo yeah.
This coming from another mostly sub guy.
>>23422669
There's a lot of shit-throwing going on and I'm not even very clear about who are the participants. Like, I think one of them is an actual Domme or she could be a troll. The other seems to be OP.
I feel like I'm the voice of reason that gets lost int he clamor of shit splattering on the opposite person's face.
>>23416354
Yes, ma'am. I am pathetic piece of shit. Ii wish I had a Domme like you. I wish I was your fucking toy to piss on and abuse however you wish. I wish I was your cages little virgin fucktoy.
>>23423858
>I am pathetic piece of shit
actually you are
not just compared to her
compared to everyone else too
which is disgusting
>>23414961
>I want
>Me me me
Literally the worst type of submissive.
This guys think that there's just hoards of beautiful Mistresses who are somehow unable to get oral sex or find somebody to peg. Licking a girl's pussy isn't even really a service when anybody will do that for her. You want to be dominated but only in certain ways. It's not true submission, and it's a waste of time for truly dominant/bitchy women who need things done.
You want to serve her sexually, you don't want to serve her by buying her gifts or driving her around. You don't want to be told to get up at 4am to run her a bath and forced to go out in the snow to get her champagne because that's what she'd like to pair with the bath.
It's so self-serving, if anything. You're not truly submissive.
I like this thread. bumping.
Haven't read the whole thread but it looks like it's gone to shit.
My question is has anyone actually used any legit websites to find older women? None of that paywall crap, are they all on like eharmony or match or something legit or what's up?
>>23425421
Do submissive women drive their Doms around/get them champagne/buy him gifts/run him a bath?
No? Right, because submissive women usually do it for the sexual domination aspect.
Whoa. Can you believe that shit?
So, a woman here. Let me tell you the harsh truth, boys.
There's no such thing as a sexually dominant woman. Sure, some might act as if they're sadistic, for fun, or money. But seeing you being pathetic isn't making them wet. They want a strong male specimen that takes initiative.
They might enjoy cuckolding you, but she's being satisfied by another strong male in that scenario.
I've been told my multiple professional mistresses how it doesn't excite them at all, they're only doing it cause their partner is into it. So I'm guessing there's a small chance a girl could become dominant by conditioning, if she does it a bunch of times only cause you're into it, and it maybe makes her wet. But only cause you're hard.
There's no such thing as a natural dominatrix. There just isn't. I'm sorry.
>>23425421
and this bitch is a real example
she won't dominate you cause it arouses her, you won't ever make her wet.
she just likes the free stuff that comes with it, lol, fucking cunt
>>23429076
I wouldn't say they "don't exist," I'd say they're rarer than rocking horse shit. Women are hardwired to be more submissive because of evolution. However, I knew a few dominant women who overcame that because they truly -wanted- to be more dominant in the bedroom and it really -did- make them wetter than a midsummer rain-forest.
However, the interesting thing is that more and more men are emerging submissive in the bedroom because the thought of a woman overpowering him and ruthlessly riding him, slapping him around, and generally forcing herself on him is actually a really sexy thought. Can you believe that?
Submissives vary. Your definition of a submissive is different from someone else's. Some are hardcore servants whereas some just want a woman to be rough with them.
>>23429083
Yeah, she's looking for a total slave submissive that will do anything she commands without getting sex. BDSM is all about sex, so this is pretty much worthless and she's a bloodsucking superficial materialistic woman whom I have no respect for. I'm all for being a servant, but I also have interests that should be respected. After all, female subs are treated with that same respect; no matter how much you use, abuse, command, or tease them, they'll still expect to get fucked.
>>23429120
>more and more men are emerging submissive in the bedroom
that's cause fetishes and sexual fantasies are formed by non-sexual behavior of the surroundings in subject's childhood. it is entirely possible that there was one or more strong-willed, possibly stern, bitchy, demanding, mean female figures and that's how our subject has recognized females and that's what's hardwired into his brain.
but... those women probably didn't act like that in bedroom. so, his fetishes are based on an illusion, a trick of his subconsciousness. and he won't ever be able to change it
>>23429141
Weird. I'm mostly submissive and I never had an encounter with a strong-willed, stern, demanding female figure when I was young. Furthermore, I don't remember anything that could've contributed to my adherent love to dominant woman that occurred to me in the past. Except maybe that one time I accidentally found the notion of femdom when I was 17 while searching for MILF porn and got hooked. Upon further research of female-dominated BDSM shortly after my newly-found kink, I deduced that dominant women -do- exist out there and not for superficial reasons like you say. Although they normally aren't totally dominant as women's brains are hardwired to be submissive due to pesky evolution, so they often come out as being a switch.
The OP and myself probably recognize females as regular human beings with varied kinks and personalities and not some secretly-dominant gender that seeks to be like men and just fuck them on a daily basis without any accruals of social discrimination. It's not an illusion that we like dominant women and it's really not a trick of the subconsciousness... Stop trying to pick apart something on someone you know very little about and solving their "problem" scientifically.
>>23429083
>>23429127
these
OP here
>>23425421
>It's so self-serving, if anything. You're not truly submissive.
You are so wrong.
>You want to be dominated but only in certain ways.
>You don't want to be told to get up at 4am to run her a bath and forced to go out in the snow to get her champagne because that's what she'd like to pair with the bath.
I would like to do anything for my mistress. Like painting her toenails putting myself into this completely, or whatever else she likes.
But what I want in return is respect and love. I don't want to be socially degraded and made see myself worthless. I want her to have high self-esteem and treat me low only because she is so way higher than me. Like a goddess.
I'm not rubbish. I'm her most valuable toy. Obedient and always there for her. Pleasured just by being able to make her happy and serve her.
Like, one of the things I cannot stand and understand is insult. How on earth telling someone that he is worthless or has pathetically small dick (does not apply) can be a part of D/s *relationship*? Its about hate, not love. It doesn't give anything to the Domme. It just degrades the sub.
This is something I will never accept because I have my honor and know my value. Yet *still* I want to dedicate my whole life to my mistress.
This, for me, is the true domination. Taking someone worth and making him grovel at your feet. This shows how much of a goddess you are.
If you want a worthless man then you are worthless yourself, especially if you do low and malicious things to him.
I hope you can understand what I'm talking about.
>It's not true submission, and it's a waste of time for truly dominant/bitchy women who need things done.
Only if you are a materialistic slut and want to simply abuse me instead of have a D/s relationship.
Just like >>23429083 said.
>>23429157
This.
If you share my attitude as described above, maybe you can explain it even more clearly.
>>23414961
A lot of people in this thread don't seem to understand the dynamics of d/s relationships. It isn't black and white, what works for you isn't what works for others. You may not get aroused by humiliation while someone else can't get off without it. Each relationship is different from the other, we all have specific kinks and dislikes.
I don't get this whole argument between people saying 'you aren't a true sub unless you do this' or ' I don't understand why someone would like this' it doesn't apply to you because it isn't in your wheelhouse of fetishes and kinks.
I have owned subs who were incredibly into pegging, sissification and so on, I have also owned subs who weren't into that or anal play at all, they liked body worship, face sitting, teasing, pain play. They were still all my subs.
>>23429850
My point exactly. Everyone is totally different and their kinks should serve to benefit them both, not be totally be one-sided. Also, do you feel they you're not naturally dominant and it's just a chore to you and you secretly don't want to be dominant in the bedroom? >>23429076
Seems to think dominant women don't exist at all.
>>23430235
I've always been naturally dominant, I tried subbing a bit to understand that side and while the pleasure was nice it didn't excite me like being a domme does. That other anon can say whatever they like but they don't speak for every person on the planet. It's never a chore, its something I crave and have so much fun doing, its something that turns me on. Contrary to what they said, I know quite a few pro dommes who absolutely love the work they do and have for years. I started getting into it when I was 16 with training and I am 29 now, still just as into it as I was then.
>>23430572
You know, you sound like a lot of fun to talk to. If I leave my Kik, would you be interested in chatting more about it? If you don't have a Kik, I understsnd. I think it would be awesome to get to know you more because not many think as you do and I would be honored to be a friend of yours.
>>23430595
Yeah sure drop it.
>>23430572
this is mainly my experience with the dominant women I've been with/talked to. If anything they are appreciative of you giving yourself over to their pleasure. I got this response when I said that i felt like i was being lazy because they were in the "active" role i.e. whipping and caning me. And in the more dominant side of the spectrum that I've talked to they say that they get fidgety without someone to inflict their sadism on. But I'm going somewhat off topic with this since the thread is a sub dom thread rather than a sadism/masochism thread
>>23430604
It's Zettadude. I look forward to talking with ya.
>>23430604
can i drop my kik too? usedglowstick
bump?
>>23416459
What an unnaturally awkward appearance. Nobody will love you. Nobody can look at that face with a feeling of affection. The closest you can hope to get to what you want is having a woman see you as the roach you are and crush you underneath the heel of her foot until you no longer inhabit this world.
>>23433326
That's a fetish for some.
>>23433326
>>23433853
you failed on so many levels...
1. not even OP's post
2. sarcasm
3. google search that image
