CATHOLIC GENERAL
Discuss news, ask question, give answers, be kind to one another, and above all assist one another in living the virtuous life. As usual, I will be assisting with answering questions and helping people out.
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CATHOLIC NEWS
>Reminder: 2016 is a Year of Jubilee in the Catholic Church. Here is a decent primer for grasping what that means for the church:
http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/12/07/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-holy-year-of-mercy/
>Francis to create commission to study female deacons in Catholic church
http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-create-commission-study-female-deacons-catholic-church
>Chaldean priest asks why U.S. can't find ISIS when it can find water on Mars
http://christiantimes.com/article/chaldean-priest-asks-why-u-s-cant-find-isis-when-it-can-find-water-on-mars/55438.htm
>ISIS and the Chaldean hostage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNiYV1dtdOU
>'VatiLeaks' trial testifies to unique legal process
http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/order-in-the-court-vatileaks-trial-testifies-to-unique-legal-process.cfm
Also, have some solid modern Christian music and music with Christian themes. All from different artists and different styles. These are some recommendations from /mu/ and anons here. It's in no way comprehensive though.
>LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS, PLS HELP
>Marvin Gaye's "God is Love"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA7C815I104
>Om's Pilgrimage Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK6wJUNirbs
>Sufjan Steven's "No Shade in the Shadow of the Cross"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx1s_3CF07k
>mewithoutyou - Sun and Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mor7syiTSE
>Young Oceans - ONLY YOU (TOKEN MAINSTREAM ADDITION)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imEvd1ck4fs
>Bobby McFerrin's Joshua
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DRketdk07o
>Psalter's Lord's Prayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rT8YVJERk
>Janelle Monae's Victory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ6wkOO_MEA
>Johnny Cash's God's Gonna Cut You Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht7mxF9XZiA
Here is my usual hymnal selection
>A nice Latin hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRi1GDoaQu4
>Nice Orthodox hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
>A nice Coptic hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1lxH7s3Cw
>18th century English hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1bSlS6OWTs
>The Lord's Prayer in Swahili, done in song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
>A nice collection of South Pacific Island hymns from the movie The Thin Red Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A1Z5CEXDM4
>Hail Mary in Latin, done in song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihNVhFA_X3I
>Hallelujah Chorus done suddenly in the public
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_RHnQ-jgU
>Quality Icelandic hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0
Needed this OP, thank you, god bless.
>>74137208
Catholic/pol/, is sleeping around and fucking girls degenerate? All my friends are doing it and it looks like a lot of fun and looks like it feels good
>>74137377
I'm just hoping the thread takes off nicely.
>>74137464
Why yes.
>>74137208
Stop LARPing you fucking nerdy loser.
>>74137537
But why? Societal norms says nobody stays chaste
>>74137208
Fuck off, Wolfy. This belongs over on >>>/x/ .
>>74137464
It doesn't really matter. You can just ask Jesus for forgiveness later, he'll be cool about it.
>>74137464
I've had 2 partners and had pre-marital sex with them. Personally I ask for forgiveness everyday for the sins I committed with them. I'm waiting now till marriage to have sex. I've had it plenty of times before and it was hallow and I never felt good afterwards. That was because I was tarnishing the process of creating life. I don't judge others on sleeping around because I've done it before. God will be their judge, but that doesn't mean they should stay willingly ignorant of their constant sin.
In hoc signo vinces
Deus vult
DEUS VULTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I was born and raised a Catholic but never really cared and became a fedora. I want to read the bible properly but which version is recommended? I know KJV gets namedropped a lot but isn't it for Protestants?
>>74138000
KJV is the only one you should read. It's mostly a bunch of boring drivel and the parts where things actually happen make very little since. Goddamn, kikes have the most non-sensical myths.
>>74138000
KJV is protestant and shouldn't be read. I don't know the international version but I have the New American Bible version and the catechisms of the catholic church.
Remember, your interpretation of the bible might not be how the holy mother church interprets it.
>>74137208
Good day Wolfie, actually just came on to /pol/ to see if you were going to make a Catholic General. I've finally been baptized into the Catholic Church as well as taken part in communion for the first time. And I just wanted to give another big thank you for helping me with all my questions when I was thinking of converting, and peaking my interest in Catholicism over other denominations in the first place.
God bless man.
>>74138000
In regards to finding an appropriate Bible, what you should be looking for are bibles that include the Apocryphal or Deuterocanonical books in them. These parts are cut out in all Protestant bibles and I believe that is the main difference between our Bibles. And I'm sure plenty of Protestant bibles change a few things such as the body and blood of Christ to figurative language or something.
So what happens to unbaptized babies again? I've been out of the theological loop for a few centuries.
>>74137208
hi, you still here?
>>74137617
A lot of societal norms have become degenerate in nature. Societal norms also have college aged students drinking/smoking/other forms of drugs all in the same night.
>>74139081
You mean dead unbaptized babies?
>>74137617
Societal norms do not dictate what is right and wrong nor what is best for people and society. The core of the issue is the dislocation from love and, to a degree, a dislocation from humanity's own dignity. To put a person forward sexually before anything else or solely hurts the dignity of the person being viewed. It hurts communication and how people in society view one another. Further, as /pol/ would constantly espouse, the growth of acceptance of sexuality has led to a growth of empty hedonism and falling apart of families in society and has done considerable damage because of it.
And society, at large, says that people largely do not stay abstinent, not chaste.
>>74137623
Welcome back and thanks for the bump.
>>74138000
The KJV has a beautiful, poetic translation but ultimately is lacking in books. It's a Protestant Bible. At best you can find one that includes those books but labels them in their own section.
Now I do not promote reading scripture purely out of hand - I heavily promote having secondary sources so you can grasp intention along with the genre and structure of the specific books in the Bible as well. The New American Bible and Douay Rheims Bibles are both respectable in my opinion - the latter being moreso - but I'm one for heavily recommending study bibles so you can learn more.
I would recommend the Ignatius Study Bible.
>>74138464
No problem, man. I greatly appreciate the kind words. I'm not quite sure what to even say. Just, thank you, man. And if there's anything else I can assist with do ask.
>>74138692
>>74138671
>>74138653
>>74138636
The poor people...
>>74137208
Hey wolf can you provide an answer to pic related?
It would really help cut the spamming on /his/
>>74139081
These days it's understood that they go to Heaven.
Limbo was theorized because the Church used to be very hard about needing to be cleansed of Original Sin before entering Heaven. However, they realized that God wouldn't forever withhold himself from infants just because they had the bad luck to die before being baptized.
>>74139576
>Wolfshiem vs Constantine
>Greatest Catholic trip vs Greatest Orthodox trip
That would be a hell of a dispute.
You christcucks should kill yourselves for worshiping a blatantly evil god.
>evilbible.com
keep sucking your war god's dick, subservient little bitches
>>74139992
>read muh fedorian website or ur le sheeple
fuck off fag
>>74139567
>And if there's anything else I can assist with do ask.
Will do Wolfy.
>>74139840
Is /His/ actually a good board for Christian discussion? Never actually went there since its creation.
>>74139992
Nice try Ahmed
>>74137623
>Fuck off, Wolfy. This belongs over on >>>/x/ .
Don't send them to /x/, we have enough christfag shills there as it is. Mods prune any polytheism threads while there are constantly 2-3 talking about everyone's favorite jew on a stick.
>>74140059
Far better than pol but slightly less better than it was on lit before the split
>>74139840
Thats what Ive been waiting for but Ive yet to see it happen the closet they got was a few smug anime pictures over leavened v unleavend bread.
>>74140134
>jew/kike on a stick
>>74140057
not my website, and I'm Deist. Keep making off base assumptions, christcuck.
>>74140074
Muslims are even worse.
>>74139567
Wolf, how does one resist temptation? College is a buffet for hedonism and hot girls. How does one just sit it out?
>>74140134
>jew on a stick
another one for the filter, along with
>christfag
>christcuck
>sky daddy
>sky wizard
>sky fairy
>magic sky
>magical sky
>imaginary sky
Hello, brothers and sisters. Peace be with you. Hope you've had a blessed Pentecost.
In the interest of learning more about each other, who's your confirmational saint? Or if you weren't confirmed with a saint's name, who's the saint you pray to the most?
I knew even in middle school that I wanted to be a writer, so I picked St. Francis de Sales. I think he's the reason I've become, as far as I can tell, quite a good writer.
>>74139992
>>christcucks
Is that seriously the best that you've got? You do realize that the greatest civilizations to exist on this rock, that have been the most technologically prowessed, that have been the most intellectually endowed, that have been the most climatically adaptive and scientifically driven are/were Christian in origin, don't you? You anti-Christianity lot are the stupidest of the stupid. I don't believe in God either but at least I can admit that religion serves a purpose, unlike you high-school maturity leveled faggotrons.
>go to Orthodox church came from catholic one
>they have different ways of doing genuflect father,son,holy spirit
Priest points it out when I kiss bibl felt like a dumbass. Pic related
Also heard Constantine was baptized by am Arian, tis true?
>>74140417
>I think he's the reason I've become, as far as I can tell, quite a good writer.
No that would be God.
do Catholics consider themselves christian? they worship multiple people after all
>>74140282
>CI bullshit
Fuck off. Jesus is jewish. He was circumcised in the Jewish tradition, he celebrated jewish holidays and his teachings are based on the jewish prophets.
>>74140391
You don't need to. More than that you can't resist temptation. Sinning is what humans do. You just need to ask forgiveness and repent.
>>74140391
Just go to class and stay away from normies.
>>74140282
>all that irrelevant bullshit
Also, is that really trying to portray what Jesus looked like from that fake ass shroud of Turin? topkek
>>74140490
>all those claims
>citations needed
You seem to be awfully ass blasted by someone who supposedly doesn't believe in God.
>>74140600
>>74140604
This is bullshit and you know it.
You don't get a jail out of free card with confession.
Also, I'm not an autist, and I actually interact with hot girls. So how does one resist being Chad (sinner) Thundercock?
>>74140597
Topkek
Research, leave the keyboard alone.
what is the Catholic stance on suicide
>>74140597
>regurgitating memes from the XVI century
>>74140564
Well, ultimately yes. But I think St. Francis has put in a good word for me, and that has helped.
I've actually read his "Introduction to the Devout Life." I highly recommend it for everyone in this thread. It is written specifically for laypeople, so it's very useful.
>>74140814
that you should have faith in him, the desert is just a test
>>74140597
They are but it's very distinct like an orthodox would like to be called orthodox christian. As for the multitude of people they hold them very high up, Yada yada. Mary is kinda an intercede to christ ex. The wine miracle. I didn't believe this kinda stuff as a protestant but I've been going to Orthodox for like 3 months now.
why arent catholics allowed to read the bible?
Anyone here in Opus Dei? What's it like? Any sp00ky cult shit? Considering joining.
>>74137753
>personally asking for forgiveness
Be Catholic and go to the confessional and suck a gay priest's cock in repentance for your degeneracy
>>74140747
>This is bullshit and you know it.
>You don't get a jail out of free card with confession.
No, that's exactly how it is. Just pray and repent, Jesus forgives.
Remember the thief on the cross. Remember that whore Jesus stopped from being stoned.
>>74140391
>how does one resist temptation?
Probably the best way is to avoid the temptation.
That being said College has a lot of drinking and women that will probably seduce you. Try to remember not to engage in it. But if you do pray for forgiveness and this should help you do better in the future. Just don't go around actively trying to sin, try your best to avoid it. And if you fall, seek reconciliation and try stay away from sinner with renewed vigor.
>>74140417
>who's your confirmational saint
I got baptized yesterday and my confirmational saint was St Martin of Tours. I've always had a soft spot for beggars/homeless and when looking up a Saint I found that he had big roots in Italy, Spain and France all of which I have strong nationalism for and love with a passion. Found him however because he was Patron Saint of Soldiers and I just wanted to read up on that.
>>74140871
>and that has helped.
Not really given that God is perfectly just in the gifts and punishments he delivers. Praying for intercession is more about keeping community with the Saints rather than actually getting them to influence God.
>>74137208
>female deacons
It has begun
I went to mass last night for the first time in about 10 years. The mass seemed so weak and feminine. The singing was all kumbaya shit and it made me not enjoy being there as much as I should.
What is a high latin mass like? There is one every fortnight in my city that I think I will go to.
Does anyone else hate the Kumbaya shit and how do you deal with it?
>>74141166
I was taught that praying for intercession was a show of faith on your part. You have faith that God will work especially through those that had faith in him.
>>74141151
My grammar school was named after St. Martin. Based cloak cutter.
>>74137753
Will you commit to not using contraception with your wife?
>>74140597
>>74141228
Go to a different church. A lot depends on the priest and tradition. Not sure about Straya but in the US there are still a lot of fire and brimstone churches. Personally, I go to something in between the two, with plenty of song but also solemnity.
>>74141228
High Masses are extremely traditional, and much more masculine.
However, remember, you go to Mass primarily to receive the Eucharist and to commune with Christ. It shouldn't be about feeling strong and manly.
>>74141274
>I was taught that praying for intercession was a show of faith on your part.
Exactly
You have faith that God will work especially through those that had faith in him.
*have* faith in him not had. If God assisted you it was through the Holy Spirit not Saints.
>>74141280
>St. Martin. Based cloak cutter.
That he was.
>>74141374
It seems most in Australia are like this
>>74141421
Yes I still did enjoy the experience and it's not about feeling masculine per se, but more about achieving a deeper level of connection with God whilst there. I'll definitely check out the High Mass then.
>>74141006
I'd fuck young Hillary. She was cute back then.
>>74141826
how old were your parishioners there on average?
>>74141586
It's "Non nobis domine" if I'm not mistaken! I knew that my shitty choices of majors in uni would pay off someday!
>>74141039
>Philippines
Don't even try to hide it Iglesia ni Cristofag
>>74137464
>>74137753
>>74137617
>>74141114
>>74141039
I'm going to need a better explanation, other than to keep it in and avoid degeneracy. I know that sleeping around and getting yuge numbers of lays is wrong, but what do you do???
>>74141996
>I already have this flag
What is a /pol/ster doing in such a tiny province
>>74142275
You try, and try, and keep trying, asking God for strength.
Then along the way you'll fail, and sin.
Then you go to Confession and receive absolution for your sin.
Then you start trying again.
On and on until you die. That's how it will always be.
>>74142275
>I'm going to need a better explanation, other than to keep it in and avoid degeneracy. I know that robbing old people is wrong, but what do you do???
>>74142369
Dunno, I studied in Sweden and while living there I realised that Sweden is a muslim infested shithole, so I moved back here. Sure it may not be a lively place and it may be a bit incestous. But it's gated and white as fuck!
>>74139081
I assume you mean to ask what happened to the unbaptized babies that die? For quite some time there was never a solid argument one way or another. Limbo was a name for a position theorized where one did not merit the struggle of Hell and yet has original sin which keeps up from beatific vision (Heaven). This was never dogma but generally the best answer the early church fathers largely gave based on what they knew of the situation. The church maintains a "hopeful" position while unofficially accepting the works of the church fathers over the century. They are by no means punished.
But, of course, I must remind you of the forms of baptism. The formal baptism we all know of is just a form it can take.
>>74139576
I can't say I'm fully versed in all the details of Vatican II so I'd really have to refocus on specific innovations in ecclesiastic practice.
There's much misunderstood of innovations - "Traditionalist Catholics" and Orthodox being in the position usually of thinking that Vat. II brought about doctrinal shifts for the sake of modernization - but generally I can only take it on as a case-by-case basis. Even if I were more well versed in Vat. II overall it would take too much work to do justice to the council overall.
>>74139992
At least you bumped the thread.
>>74140391
>Wolf, how does one resist temptation?
I hope you know how big and varied that question is. Ultimately all that can be said to something that big is to having self-control.
One thing I see laypeople in the faith do is take Catholicism's way of life in a penal sense. "I have to obey these rules". It's given in a rules sense to be starting steps towards your transformation by the Holy Spirit. Ultimately, it is about seeking virtue through wrestling with your own issues to achieve our own natural fulfillment in Christ.
"I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete." -Jesus Christ, John 15:11
I could go into it further if you have questions
>>74142744
>I can't say I'm fully versed in all the details of Vatican II so I'd really have to refocus on specific innovations in ecclesiastic practice.
What about innovation in general and the position and role of the church fathers? Do you think they Orthdox have a better claim to upholding the original teachings of the apostles?
>>74142031
It was a Sunday evening mass so there wasn't many people there, but on average I would guess about 50-60, a few young people that were there with families but mostly middle age and older.
>>74143038
have you noticed that at other churches/times or do you think that was just specific to those circumstances?
What should someone exploring Catholicism do if they have sins too big to confess ? I get that Christ forgives everything but I have to go through a priest and I've done pretty evil shit in my past that bothers me now that I am getting a conscience.
>>74143238
Yeah seems like thats normal, but then again I havent been in years. The few young people I know that are religious all seem to be into hillsong which isn't my thing.
I might go to the bigger parishes and check out what the crowd there is like.
>>74143390
Hillsong is pretty freaky stuff.
>>74143383
Have no fear whatsoever. Whatever you've done, it's not the worst the priest has heard. And yes, Christ DOES forgive everything. Have hope.
>>74143506
>, it's not the worst the priest has heard
Well unless he does prison ministry it might be
Orthodox allowed to respectfully participate? Not to debate, just to share in appreciating the commonalities of our tragically separated Churches.
>>74143548
Whatever you've done, it doesn't matter. If you have sorrow and repent, it will be forgiven. That's Christ's promise. And the priest won't judge you. He's there to help, not to condemn.
>>74143622
Of course you're allowed.
>>74143622
Of course !
It's current year and we've got a lot bigger issues to deal with than fussing over some church politics.
>>74143383
Bear in mind that secrecy of confession is not binding under secular law and they can and will report you if you have committed a crime or are about to or at least be brought before a court for evidence.
>>74143622
Out of curiosity if you post on /his/ what are your thoughts on Constantine the trip poster?
>>74140282
>Khazars converted to Judaism
>Some "jews" today are actually not descended from the Judeans but are actually racially descended from Khazar converts i.e. the Ashkenazis
>Therefore, jesus is not a "dead jew on a stick"
You didnt even disprove what you set out to disprove...
>>74143711
>>74143808
Cool, thanks. There's a parish 2 minutes from my home that I visited a little while back for a weekday mass in the evening, since my Orthodox parish is 30 minutes away in good traffic (weekday evenings it's about 90 minutes). I was feeling pretty drained that day and my parish isn't big enough to hold Vespers every evening (and I can't make it to those anyway as I mentioned due to traffic). Even though the Mass was far shorter than what I'm used to I found it pretty cool that I could still find many commonalities, such as the three Aleluias after the Gospel reading. I didn't partake in communion of course but it was nice to be in the company of Christians that day. I might start coming regularly on weekdays. Is that unusual?
Also, there's another parish a few minutes away that holds the Latin Tridentine Mass every Sunday. Worth a visit? I've heard it's as beautiful and perhaps even more awe-inspiring than the Divine Liturgy we use.
>>74143873
I don't hang out on /his/ so I wouldn't know. What's he like?
>>74144173
>The term Judaism was taken up by Talmudists
>Jews today are followers of Judaism.
>Judaism = Talmudist.
>Jesus talks shit about Talmudists
>People on /pol/ equate Jesus with the Jews of today
>Jesus talked shit about what the Jews of today follow
I believe I did set off what I meant to prove.
>>74143835
That's BS priests have heard the most fucked up things. They only report it when there is child abuse going on. They won't turn you in for stealing from the grocery or killing your dog.
>>74142744
Please go on. How does one resist sexual temptation? Obviously these are dark times and women are as tempting as ever. It's easy to resist porn and masturbation, but it's harder to resist women around you. Is abstinence so important?
>>74144696
>That's BS priests have heard the most fucked up things. They only report it when there is child abuse going on. They won't turn you in for stealing from the grocery or killing your dog.
Any serious crime will be reported however my other point stands in the Anglo world confessional secrecy is not respected by the courts.
>>74140404
Because it's become part of /pol/.
>>74140417
It may be a generic one but Therese of Lisieux.
>>74140814
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm
2280-2283
The section on euthanasia is just before that.
>>74140974
They are and its generally encouraged.
>>74142869
Of course I would hold that there is no innovation in doctrine - at best innovation in expressions of that doctrine. The role of the church fathers would be to assist in guiding the people, as always, but their work historically is good evidence for guidance by the Holy Spirit in accordance to Sacred Tradition by viewing consistency.
As for a specific innovation, I suppose one of the most well known is the transition from specifically Latin to whatever the vernacular is in the location at the time. This is seen as a massive change and is due mainly to the church's view coming into Vatican II as the church itself being a pilgrim in the world rather than a powerhouse as it was in earlier times. This is what people mean when they say that innovations occurred due to "the spirit of the times" but their failure comes from saying it works against Tradition and even scripture.
For instance, think St. Gregory and St. Cyril preached specifically against lingual heresies and worked to teach the slavs in their own tongue. Even further, do remember the differences in language in even the early church (Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek).
Latin came about as popular as the church, with all its power, wished to unite the people under a language so that they can work closer together. They took on this incentive with the language that was the vernacular at the time - Latin. Over time the church lost influence and so teaching and doing in solely Latin was becoming less practical (if not damaging) which brought about this Vat. II decision. Ultimately this does not effect doctrine, this is - as I said - a change in its expression.
>>74144846
Do you think they Orthdox have a better claim to upholding the original teachings of the apostles and the Church Fathers?
>>74137208
>IS and the Chaldean hostage
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNiYV1dtdOU [Embed]
>>'VatiLeaks' trial testifies to unique legal process
>http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/order-in-the-court-vatileaks-trial-testifies-to-unique-legal-
>>74145149
Why do people have a problem with this image, anyway?
Or, I can understand why the average /pol/tard has a problem with it, but why would any Christian have a problem with it?
>>74137208
Keep making them Catholic generals, Wolfshiem
They're the only things that bring some goodness into the current state of affairs
Have a Renaissance tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o0AUCwHzt8
Good evening brothers and sisters in Christ. I am thrilled to see a thriving community of Catholics here.
Who here attends /latinmass/? Nothing against novus ordo people but you can't beat the traditional Latin rite of the Mass.
>>74140417
St. Thomas More. Ah the martyrs...
>>74145299
It's rewarding unrepentant/ inert a-Christian behaviour on the part of random people
You're only supposed to reward repentant persons
And never reward sin or apathy
>>74145633
There's a Latin Mass at least once a month at a church here in my city. I need to go more often.
Interestingly enough, the second most traditional church in the city is the tiny little Catholic student center attached to our local university. It's interesting being around people my own age who are every bit as traditional as I am. The women my age even cover their heads during Mass.
>>74145633
Orthodox here, if I visit a Latin mass what should I expect?
Catholics are scum
United Methodist Church pride world wide.
>>74145745
You find thriving Catholic communities in the oddest places. One of the greatest Catholic strongholds in the U.S. is this small town in eastern Kansas called St. Mary's.
>>74145846
My first recommendation is to borrow or use a Missal. The entire Mass, save for readings before the sermon, the sermon itself, and hymns sung by the choir are in Latin as was always intended so the Mass would be universally the same (Catholic means universal in its etymology).
Ladies will cover their heads with a veil or hat. Dress etiquette is always very formal. From what I have seen, Novus Ordo churches frequently have women wearing pants and everyone wearing t-shirts. Traditional Masses always have women with skirts and men with collared shirts and slacks.
I suppose the most important difference is Holy Eucharist on the tongue, not in the hand. This is so no particles of Our Lord's precious Body and Blood are accidentally strewn onto the floor. Everything is carefully done to minimize this risk.
>>74145980
All Christians are scum, but hey, don't get mad cucks, just turn the other cheek :^)
Fucking faggots.
>>74143383
There is a rule of secrecy and generally lots in the way usually to keep you from being seen, fyi, but you need not say anything in great detail. Speaking of the vice related to that sin (wrath, sloth, etc) can be as effective and I've heard it being allowed multiple times. As long as you get the problem out there the detail is hardly necessary.
>>74143622
Of course.
>>74144778
Abstinence is not the important part - chastity is. The focus on abstinence comes from trying to give Christian teaching while still allowing the modern trend of later-life marriages and less family life. Many see the call of sexuality and emotional longing early in life to show the interest in marriage. Further, the disfunction of society trying to appease these desires through different means (porn and the like) while ignoring marriage usually get expressed by Christian thinkers as us working against "God's design", if you get my phrasing.
When it comes to women in life I would be quick to parse admiring beauty from sexuality. Aesthetics are a part of life and beauty is not to be shunned. However the abuse of that would be lust. Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself. This applies to sexual scopophilia as well. The core of seeing someone sexually is viewing them as individual object, I'm told. To parse admiration of beauty from sexual longing see their bodies as relation to women generally rather than just upholding some individual thing. We refocuses you on what you're doing.
As for women possibly hitting on you, remember that the good exists outside of the agreeing of individuals. If a woman wants something of you do not act on simply what they want or you want at the time but seek the good of all things and don't be complicit in their own issues but seek to guide them towards God's will for their own good.
>>74146205
Ok thanks, sounds a bit more formal than what I'm used to at my parish but I'll manage. I'll borrow a missal to follow along.
The Eucharist thing doesn't really affect me as I mentioned I'm Orthodox, but thanks for the head up anyway.
>>74145061
No, albeit relatively close doctrinally.
If I were to draw a line with Constantine on the Church Fathers I would say the first would be the Essences/Energies Distinction as opposed to Divine Simplicity:
>"For God is simple and non-composite and without shape" - St. John Crysostom
Again from St. John,
>"[Paul] knows [God] in part. But he says, ‘in part,’ not because he knows God’s essence while something else of his essence he does not know; for God is simple. Rather, he says ‘in part’ because he knows that God exists, but what God is in his essence he does not know" -St. John Crysostom
>I have often heard the charge that Western Theology adopted the idea that God is entirely simple from pagan philosophy. However I am starting to find evidence in the Church Fathers that this is simply not the case. I will begin with a quote from St. Iranaeus that demonstrates that the idea of divine simplicity was present among the Church Fathers. Throughout the next few days I will provide more quotes.
"Far removed is the Father of all from those things which operate among men, the affections and passions. He is simple, not composed of parts, without structure, altogether like and equal to himself alone. He is all mind, all spirit, all thought, all intelligence, all reason . . . all light, all fountain of every good, and this is the manner in which the religious and the pious are accustomed to speak of God" -St. Iraneaus, Against Heresies 2:13:3
I'll have more quotes in a follow up.
>>74137208
How do the rest of you view that the weak Pope has set up a council to debate the beatification of blessed Aloysius Stepinac, cardinal of Croatia, a voice of reason and love in war time, murdered by communists post war, where the council is made up of Serb orthodox priests?
Isnt it outrageus that a people who aided the communist in murdering him, members of a church which will not beatify him in their church either way, be part of such a council?
It is unthinkable that a butthurt people such as the Serbs, who view any righteus Croat as a criminal, be given a right to voice their opinion on this. Shame on the Pope.
>>74147432
>that last greentext
Big typo on my end. My apologies.
To continue:
"But there is neither nor ever shall be such a dogma in the Church of God that would prove the simple and incomposite [God] to be not only manifold and variegated, but even constructed from opposites. The simplicity of the dogmas of the truth proposes God as he is" -St. Gregory of Nyssa, Against Eunomius 1:1:222
>“We perceive the operation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be one and the same, in no respect showing differences or variation; from this identity of operation we necessarily infer the unity of nature.” -St. Basil, Letters
The strength of the latter quote being the comment of essence. If we were to weigh Palamas' interpretation of God against this view the argument of St. Basil would fall to plurality of essence and lead to the same "polytheism" criticism it is known to get.
As the anon asking questions on Constantine's position saved a post to show me I'll re-prepare my previous post so it can be easily ported back to Constantine.
I think I'm getting a bit too sleepy. I may have to leave soon.
>>74147913
>>74147432
If I were to draw a line with Constantine on the Church Fathers I would say the first would be the Essences/Energies Distinction as opposed to Divine Simplicity:
>"For God is simple and non-composite and without shape" - St. John Crysostom
Again from St. John,
>"[Paul] knows [God] in part. But he says, ‘in part,’ not because he knows God’s essence while something else of his essence he does not know; for God is simple. Rather, he says ‘in part’ because he knows that God exists, but what God is in his essence he does not know" -St. John Crysostom
>"Far removed is the Father of all from those things which operate among men, the affections and passions. He is simple, not composed of parts, without structure, altogether like and equal to himself alone. He is all mind, all spirit, all thought, all intelligence, all reason . . . all light, all fountain of every good, and this is the manner in which the religious and the pious are accustomed to speak of God" -St. Iraneaus, Against Heresies 2:13:3
>"But there is neither nor ever shall be such a dogma in the Church of God that would prove the simple and incomposite [God] to be not only manifold and variegated, but even constructed from opposites. The simplicity of the dogmas of the truth proposes God as he is" -St. Gregory of Nyssa, Against Eunomius 1:1:222
>“We perceive the operation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be one and the same, in no respect showing differences or variation; from this identity of operation we necessarily infer the unity of nature.” -St. Basil, Letters
The strength of the latter quote being the comment of essence. If we were to weigh Palamas' interpretation of God against this view the argument of St. Basil would fall to plurality of essence and lead to the same "polytheism" criticism it is known to get.
>>74147748
I know little of the beatification process but hasn't the position of devil's advocate been common to the process?
>>74137753
We've all been there man. If you have had a valid confession, your priest should have said at the end that you are absolved of your sins.
Once you have completed your penance, the sin is gone from your soul. God's love trumps all. You need to accept that God's grave can accomplish anything. I'm not saying to act as if it never happened, but just know that you're forgiven.
>thread quieting down
What happened?
>>74148339
It's late, tomorrow is Monday, not a lot of English speaking Catholics are up right now.
>>74140417
The great St. Thomas Aquinas. I was lost in unbelief until I began reading his work. Still trying to get through the Suma.
>>74148196
It has, and it is natural, but this is preprocess. A council to determine weather or not start the process, i think... But the worst part is that it is made up of orthodox priests too.. So what is next, anglicans, protestants, jews and muslims in councils about beatification?
It is silly considering that the saints will only be revered in the church they are beatified in, in this case, the catholic one.
Pope Francis is trying too hard to be loved and stuff like that, sure he is a nice guy, but the world needs a stoic but lovable Pope, like Saint John Paul II was.
>>74148540
I suppose he's trying with all his might to work for reunification. There's that council coming up in Nicaea in a decade.
>>74140417
Mary Magdalene is my confirmation saint. Amazing woman.
>>74148540
Not sure the details but that is sounding fucked up. I'm with you that the pope is trying to play too much of a PR game. He's really a drop from Benedict or John Paul.
>>74148474
Eh, true. I was hoping I didn't say anything wrong.
>>74145674
While I agree with your statement, how do we know the minds of the migrants who are in that image?
What if that act of foot washing caused them to see christ in the other, and to realize the love of God? If that act brought just one soul to the arms of holy mother church, be they migrants in the photo or someone who saw the photo online, it was worth it.
Actually, quick question: Any of you have any theories on the SSPX and whether or not they'll be reunified with the Holy See any time soon? I love their Latin Mass but unfortunately their sacraments are all illicit (save for confession, in this Year of Mercy.) I'm rooting for them.
>>74146406
Thanks Wolf. I needed that image.
Where is the conversion of Russia, menchildren?
Eh, I'm heading to bed. It was nice for a while.
>>74148832
It seems that they are drifting apart, more so than coming home. They have been training new priests, so it seems that they have no intention of reuniting with us, and I'm sure that the recent statements made by Pope Francis about considering female deacons isn't helping.
I admire them for standing up for tradition, and I can even agree with some of their points. But the bottom line is that Christ himself created our church, and swore that the gates of hell would not stand before it. If the society believes that holy mother church has lost its way, they are denying the words Christ spoke.
>>74149364
Sleep well!
>>74149364
Goodnight Wolfie, thanks for the thread.
>>74148832
SSPX member here.
Hoping for a reuniting in the Church very soon. I, of course, believe all the sacraments offered by our priests and bishops are legitimate and that Vatican II should never have happened.
There is too much evidence that the liturgy was weakened by a change to the vernacular for me to ignore. I dream and pray for the day when Holy Mother Church is completely whole again though.
To your point though, I believe SSPX is currently in talks with His Holiness and I am hoping to formally hear a declaration of unity and tolerance for the Latin Mass.
>>74149056
I think we can consider it converted given their turn towards Orthodoxy after the fall of the Soviet Union.
It will be especially so once East and West reunite.
>>74148679
I hope all of the Catholic churches will unify soon
