Why is it so hard for people to wrap their heads around this concept?
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/uc-berkeley-touts-15-minimum-wage-then-fires-hundreds-of-workers-after-it-passes/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q437BX7IXd8&index=124&list=PLrJq1PMIPW_WepUtfAkinLxpoATaEhS3Q
>>73986235
Good.
>>73986235
Sweet automation bring it on
>>73986235
Because it doesn't work. And Berkeley is more liberal then Sfo so of course they're economics department is empty.
When they did this in Washington, lay offs were rampant. Small businesses went under. And people who got the raise asked to work less hours to stay on benefits.
Nothing good happened. They did not stimulate the economy. They did not get off welfare with a 'livable' wage. The only difference now is they work less hours for the same money and local business owners lost their livelihood.
Employers don' hire staff they don't need. If there is a job that still needs doing it will be outsourced. I bet this is nothing more than creative accounting to make the bills look smaller than they are and will be.
Do they want to raise it for the sake of it or because their work is worth $15 an hour?
>>73986573
It really makes you think about how a "grass roots" movement was possibly funded by larger corporations to push small business owners completely out of business.
Unless you're the owner/operator the 15 wage makes it completely impractical to run a small business.
>>73986235
95% of all jobs are useless and/or can be automated
this is the real redpill
>>73986741
It's a red pill that our society can't handle though. Virtually no one I talk to can imagine a post-automation society. They're still completely locked into a 19th century economic model.
>>73986235
Because if you're a loser that is worth less that $15 an hour then you deserve to get sacked. We're transitioning into a post-industral robotic automated future. Low paid unskilled labour is going to be a thing of the past regardless of the law. Anyway now that these nigs and spics are going to be unemployed its a great opportunity for the yanks to kick them out of the country with minimal economic disruption.
The minimum wage will always be $0. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or delusional.
evrabody round dis kuntry support dis moovment shiiiit
>>73986235
This would be somewhat possible if we weren't looking down the barrel of automation. Just like the industrial revolution forced farmers to become factory workers, this 15 min wage will only spur on the automation revolution.
I also HATE the notion that if you work 40 hr a week you should get a living wage. Why? People are paid at what their employer values them at. Every 15 min wage report or interview I see involves the person with either a kid, an iphone, or nobody else to support them. If you can only check people out at McDicks you deserve to scrape by until you are more valuable.
People deserve a livable wage. I think you fat cats can afford to pay people an extra 5 dollars an hour when you are making millions a year. Sorry not sorry you can't buy that extra helicopter.
>>73987552
What be economics muffuggah?
>>73986653
they think their work is worth $15 when in reality you could pay a monkey 2 bananas per hour and get the same result.
they are worthless leeches.
>>73987552
Yes, and then thanks to inflation, everyone will be earning millions.
>>73987552
40 hr a week at 7.25, which is the absolute least wage, gets you 1160 a month. Let's just say 800 after taxes, which is still way less than you think for poorfags. 500 could go to rent with a roommate, and 300 is plenty for food, transportation, electricity, water. Fuck off
>>73987552
(You) (You) (You) (You)
>>73986235
I love that video. That girl is such a dumbass
>>73986582
Except in this case, it's a major public university that doesn't necessarily offer economical products to the market. The value of their academic services and research is where it lies, so it can easily be lead astray and make retarded financial decisions with hiring as they don't see immediate and crucial consequences as a private business would.
What happen here is that they probably underestimated the costs of the rise for the low-level, mostly service and maintenance employees, and the fact that they will probably have to boost the wages of people in intermediate or manager positions of those departments accommodating to the wage increase, to keep them. Not to mention all those grad students will probably bitch if they're not included or paid the same as the low-level entry service and maintenance employees, and will probably ask for a few dollars over it.
>>73987865
don't forget the 6 kids you have to support :^)
>>73987865
So how much of that 800 is being saved?
if you aren't making enough to have surplus money at then end of every month you are literally a slave. Rent is the ultimate form of jewry imho
>>73987865
What if someone doesn't have a roommate?
What if someone has children to raise?
What about unanticipated expenses/emergencies? They'd have little to no extra income. They also wouldn't have enough for insurance.
>>73986573
Are you a fucking NEET? Haas is excellent
>>73986653
The argument is that you can't live on the current minimum wage. The thing is though minimum wage jobs were never intended for that purpose.
>>73987865
I make 8.50 an hour, 30 hours a week in houston and i live in contentment.
Only niggers and single moms are whining about wages
>>73988259
>What if someone doesn't have a roommate?
Get one or move to a cheaper city. You are not entitled to live on the California beach on minimum wage.
>What if someone has children to raise?
Whose fault is it that someone has children and no job? Why should we destroy the economy to pay for someone else's mistakes?
>What about unanticipated expenses/emergencies? They'd have little to no extra income. They also wouldn't have enough for insurance.
They'd better have enough for insurance, since Barack Hussein Obama has made it illegal NOT to have insurance and will fine them significantly if they don't get it.
The problem is minimum wage used to be for high school kids, just like fast food restaurants. Now its mostly immigrants.
>>73987552
Except it only hurts small businesses who now cannot afford to be in business. The bigger businesses take over for them and that fat cat CEO you hate so much is now making even more money. I swear you liberals are too stupid to see the bigger picture.
>>73986235
Ha, you can't make this shit up
Is Mushmouth there the leader for whatever group she represents?
I hear excuses that those on Cavuto are hand picked by him and the producers, ignoring the fact that they're leaders of the organization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNbPuFfvnkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e50fQLyebI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKN3xraVa14
I mean, it is easy to search their names and find out their background.
>>73988497
>Get one or move to a cheaper city. You are not entitled to live on the California beach on minimum wage.
Yes because moving will work when you have no additional income every month. Oh wait.
>Whose fault is it that someone has children and no job? Why should we destroy the economy to pay for someone else's mistakes?
I see your point, if someone has kids (rape cases aside) before they can afford them, that's on them, but what if someone got laid off and they had kids after having a job? You can hardly fault them for that.
>>73988497
>Get one or move to a cheaper city. You are not entitled to live on the California beach on minimum wage.
Uh then the rich will complain because nobody will be doing service jobs and they will have to make their own coffees.
People against living wages are the same types of people who don't know know any of their neighbors.
>>73988801
No, people against living wages are the kind of people who don't want their job to disappear overnight.
>>73988262
I think he meant Econ department, not Haas.
>>73986235
Good glad to see these liberal retards get fucked at their own institution's.
>>73986235
Should've went for $12. They got greedy and automation fired their asses. Fucking retards.
>>73988693
>Yes because moving will work when you have no additional income every month. Oh wait.
Worked for me. Unemployment pay exists for a reason. Jump ship and find a better living condition.
>but what if someone got laid off and they had kids after having a job?
Because, for example, their job's pay has been artificially increased by 50% by whiny college kids and is no longer profitable?
>>73988801
>living wages
Stop lying. That isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about artificially increasing the minimum wage. You can live off of minimum wage in this country, period, you just can't live everywhere in the country at whatever lifestyle you desire.
The rich will complain because of labor shortage--meaning they will pay more for that service. That's how it's supposed to work, retard.
People really don't comprehend labor markets
In my area there actually is a healthy enough supply of jobs without any increases, why?
>Minimum wage is used for shit jobs and as a starting point.
>Companies realize that paying minimum gets you shit workers and anyone worth a damn leaves due to not feeling adequately compensated.
>Companies eventually realize that there quality of worker is causing insane production/customer satisfaction issues.
>Companies increase wages hoping to attract better workers again.
>Dead weight that now has increased wages get increased pressure on them or hours cut due to their now increased wage if they aren't just laid off.
>Dead weight eventually leaves.
>Eventually you cycle through to a better quality of worker.
Good
Why is a minimum wage law needed at all?
Why can't people work for the pay for which they're willing to work? How's it the government's business if someone wants to take a $5-an-hour job flipping hamburgers?
my 1st and 2nd assistants make 15$ and they now have their own places and are buying whatever they want
15$ min would wreck everything
>>73989058
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT INCREASING THE MINIMUM WAGE BY 50% WOULD MAKE PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS!?!
Oh and don't forget the people who were in high paying jobs that now give jack fuck about it because a burger flipper makes the same amount as them.
>>73989340
Because liberals would rather people not be able to get jobs. This way they create a class of people who exist only by leeching off of the government. It creates liberal voters for life.
>>73986235
One way to make the $15 minimum wage work would be to require that people eat a certain amount of fast food each week. That's how socialism works. We don't just complain about problems. We fix them.
>>73989292
That sounds like a free market solution, goyim. Wouldn't you rather have more regulation, more laws, and higher prices instead?
>>73986235
Fighting excess with selfishness, it does not stop avarice.
>>73986235
"dey wuld of ben replaycd us fo robot"
jesus christ
>>73986235
LMAO that's what you get. Socialism doesn't work.
>>73986235
Mmm, I'm loving it
I'm not too well versed with economics, but as I see it
Higher minimum wage=less jobs
While this is true, wouldn't a higher minimum wage also contribute to higher prices and inflation, since everyone makes more money now?
I think basic income would work better. Abolish minimum wage and all other forms of welfare and replace it with basic income.
>>73986967
because we have no idea how it will play out
I really fear we will learn nothing from the failures of socialism, rewarding idleness begets more idleness which increases stagnation and demand for government
government then becomes corrupt, shitty, and massive (like any monopoly), increases taxes, and slowly an ever greater portion of the economy is non productive, until eventually the productive private sector (ignoring productive state enterprises, less common in the west) is strangled to death and the whole thing collapses
also, why the fuck would you invest the time and effort to learn advanced robotics, spend billions to set up and automated factory, and then get taxed at 99% to pay for 10 million people smoking weed and masturbating at their roboticlly built apartment?
I hope we don't have to go through a century of upheaval and chaos as we experiment with robo-communism vs protectionist luddites who ban automation to protect labor
>>73986235
http://www.businessforafairminimumwage.org/news/00135/research-shows-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss
Most demand is endogenous, so min wage increases in aggregate do not increase unemployment.
>>73989950
Minimum wage is not a form of welfare.
We can't afford basic income until we're majority automated (2028).
>>73990305
True, minimum wage just forces people to live on welfare.
>>73986235
>Berkeley employs about 8,500 staffers, from custodians to administrators. Faculty members will not be affected. Dirks said the reductions will be done in part through attrition and did not mention layoffs.
http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/UC-Berkeley-to-eliminate-500-staff-jobs-7244049.php
Ha, even better, they're going to be low wage jobs cut, so most likely people of colour
Liberals will have so much more white guilt when they learn about this.
>>73990267
>no bias here!
>>73990157
We are the dead.
>>73986741
>>73986967
>>73990157
They're so enamored with futuristic movies where machines do everything and no one has to work because of living wage is given to everyone, but they don't think it can happen in real life.
They created jobs as well to operate the machinery at a higher wage.
2 people for $15 an hour?
or 1 person for $20+
>>73989930
Poo-to-loo
>>73986235
>Leader of the movement
>Says: "Losing they jobs"
>"they"
you put this fucking retard in charge of your "movement"?
>>73987552
Tell that to Liberals about millionaire athletes, celebrities, and musicians
Oh wait, they think they earn it but CEOs don't.
They don't realize athletes, celebrities, and musicians are basically CEOs as they have thousands of people working under them do the real jobs.
Athletes only throw balls, they don't bother with concessions, stadiums, and turf. Most actors don't write or direct their movies. Most musicians don't write or produce their own songs. But all of them get the most credit and pay.
>>73986235
#FightFor15
#AgeOfConsentReform
Straight up Cloward-Piven shit. First, the niggers push for higher wages. Then, after having lost their jobs, they push for universal basic income.
>>73990267
>macroeconomics is the art of aggregating away all important information
increasing minimum wage drives down labor force participation, and forces small business operating at the margin out of business
so it may increase aggregate consumption but pulling money away from savers (reducing capital) and to consumers, but it also shifts aggregate firm income towards large companies away from small business (reducing total innovation and job growth)
>>73987153
Underrated
>>73991070
>most musicians don't write or produce their own songs.
ahahahahaha
>athletes only throw balls
what are advertisements, sposnsors, endorsements
>most actors don't write or direct their movies
yeah no fuckin shit.
what kind of shitty argument is this?
>>73991310
>that pic
>tfw Ivanka will never ever femdom me
>>73991421
It's the same bullshit Liberals say about CEOs
>they don't make the products
>they don't advertise it
They think they just sit around and make money
>>73986235
fuckin
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>>73986235
Good, more efficiency, less wageslaves.
>>73986741
>>73986967
Automation will just open up a whole new world of jobs, same way the industrial revolution did
>>73991545
You said actors, musicians, and athletes don't work. What the fuck are you trying to say?
You have no idea what you're saying.
Where's the source where 'liberals' say this? No one says this. You're delusional.
>>73988600
it's either that or "trickle down" economics
Raising the minimum wage will lower purchasing power, which will decimate the economy
People need to focus more on purchasing power, making housing, goods and services cheaper, instead of raising the minimum wage
>>73991872
>lets make big businesses bigger and simultaneously government bigger
>fuck small businesses and entrepreneurs
Its like you actively hate america
>>73991804
>>73991804
>You said actors, musicians, and athletes don't work.
Where did I say that?
I said
>Athletes only throw balls, they don't bother with concessions, stadiums, and turf
Liberals think people who throw balls deserve millions. Ads and endorsements aren't part of their million dollar contracts with teams.
>>73991800
Yup, pretty much. People on either side don't really seem to realize that we're headed towards a society where specialized work is the only work that needs doing.
>>73991970
You're really going to blame businesses and not the customer who know the businesses are shit but keep buying from them?
Retarded Liberals whine about CEOs making hundreds of times more than employees, but they're fine buying Starbucks everyday when their CEO makes 454 times as much as a barista
>>73991970
At this rate, it's already dead desu. Big buisness is too strong to be opposed. The future is megacorps, for better or for worse.
>>73991993
Programming and engineering is going to blow up like crazy soon
>>73992173
For how much people whine about megacorps, they're okay throwing down $10 to see the latest Disney or Marvel movie, not knowing or caring how much of the industry Disney owns.
>>73986235
>http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/uc-berkeley-touts-15-minimum-wage-then-fires-hundreds-of-workers-after-it-passes/
>Since UC Berkeley was already in financial trouble — it ran a $109 million deficit last year and is projecting a deficit of $150 million this year —
It's no secret that the liberals complain about the problems they caused in the first place. Mizzou has low enrolment and a budget deficit aswel. Let the Universities crumble. The most important departments will survive. There will be no more room for identity courses.
>>73988350
Are you me? Making 10 though
>>73987865
>40 hr a week at 7.25
Doesn't happen. They never get above 28-30 because doing so would force their employer to pay health benefits as they are full time employees. It's much simpler to hire two retards to work for 20 hours a week, as opposed to one retard to work 40. This is all thanks to obamacare mind you.
>>73991987
Do you know how large the sports industry is? Do you know how hard they train to get to their status?
You just find any little thing to hate on, don't you.
>>73992597
Companies were doing that long before Obama anon. He didn't help, but he didn't create it.
>>73991987
Also, provide a source where liberals think that.
You're delusional. You don't know what a liberal is. You just believe anything you believe in is republican and any other idea is liberal.
You're the cancer that kills political discussions
>>73992212
>"Programming and engineering is going to blow up like crazy soon"
Said the increasingly despondent and unemployed STEM grad
>"any day now"
>>73987552
Buying an extra helicopter puts money in factory workers, I don't see what the issue is. Then there's the money for the helicopter maintenance guys. And the money for the pilot. Luxury goods are still goods and when rich people have a demand for helicopters and yachts, it's paying paychecks.
>>73992888
You think it takes no effort to run a multi-billion dollar business?
>>73986235
Radical leftists being hypocrites. What a surprise. Socialism for thee but not for me.
>>73993007
Well I can't find any Liberals who attack athletes and actors for making millions
They even worship the fucks when they back their causes, like OWS
>>73993045
You're in the wrong area. I live in the DFW area and as long as you have the relevant skills and can prove it (don't even need a degree in many cases) employers will line up at your door, trying to give you a job.
>>73988635
>Hand picked
Lol wow. They really believe FOX NEWS are the ones spewing out propaganda? Every single day there is a constant reminder that these people are WILLFULLY blind. Of course, they don't care if its propaganda, as long as it's on their side. That's why their all freaking out about Trump (hypocrisy, again), they let their own leader get away with despotism for so long that they think Trump will do it too.
>>73987775
Business owners are not stupid people for the most part. If a job exists it is because there is work that requires a human to perform. McDonald's by my house can't lay anyone off. There are no idle employees in there.
>>73993045
>>73993265
To be fair, if you do have the education and skills, why look for someone to hire you? Why not make small apps and sell them to make some money then start your own company?
>>73986235
I'm from Berkeley, CA. I lived in the East Bay from 1990 to 2015. In those 25 years, I heard one thing and one thing only about UC Berkeley staff AND faculty: corrupt, impossible to fire, self-serving, bureaucracy run amok. As a social experiment, giving the executives at UC Berkeley the authority to fire employees at will and actually USE that authority is historic. Decades of incompetence will fall to the cutting room floor. The Phoenix rises.
>>73987197
He could easily climb using the sides. Whoever made that image has never climbed a ladder.
>>73993108
You're going off topic. I never said it doesn't take no effort.
>>73993222
>can't find evidence
>continues to bash on them with no evidence
haahahahaha
seriously just stop.
>they even worship the fucks
Like who? You just said you can't find any. So where are you getting this non-sense? It's your personal opinion. Watch this.
Conservatives worship the fucks when they back their causes.
>>73992597
>40 hours a week is full time
Jesus you retards sure are lazy. My part time job in highschool was 48 hours a week.
>>73993621
Because having a good salary and a place where you can get valuable experience while working on an app or other project in your spare time is better.
>>73988497
>Whose fault is it that someone has children and no job? Why should we destroy the economy to pay for someone else's mistakes?
Why should the children have to suffer? Wouldn't this encourage abortion?
>>73993820
nice labor laws meh he co
dont you guys take siestas too?
>>73993684
>Like who? You just said you can't find any.
>Michael Moore @ OWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZLhEOJ8XA
>Moore -- whose films include "Fahrenheit 9/11," "Bowling for Columbine" and "Capitalism: A Love Story" and whose net worth has been estimated at $50 million -- filed for divorce a year ago.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/divorce-sheds-light-michael-moores-wealth-181233037.html
The anti-1% OWS welcomed Michael Moore
>>73992212
The problem is that you don't need 350 million programmers and engineers to run an automated workforce. There literally isn't enough work for humans to do after a certain amount of technological advancement.
>>73988347
>minimum wage jobs were never intended for that purpose.
what? that's the whole point of a minimum wage dude. not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer.
Even if thousands of jobs die by raising the minimum wage, it would be a good thing.
1) Get rid of useless jobs that don't need to exist
2) The jobs still left have to pay a reasonable living wage
3) The higher unemployment leads to more unrest, riots, and homelessness, which is a necessary step to bringing us closer to the inevitable basic income
>>73994276
>The jobs still left have to pay a reasonable living wage
Hahahahah no.
If the useless jobs don't exist anymore, people will be forced to join the skilled workforce to survive. The labor market will be overflowing with STEM majors and the wages will fall through the floor, so the only way to compete will be to get better and better degrees.
By 2050 electrical engineering will be a blue collar job.
>>73994483
You do realize there won't be enough jobs for the amount of people who need them right?
There already isn't, in the future with increased technology/automation, there simply won't be enough work available for the amount of humans that need it.
Not everyone can get the careers with high skill/education requirments, there simply isn't enough of them to go around, there already isn't. Do you know how many people get out of college with STEM degrees and can't get a relevant job right now?
>>73994153
The past 200 years prove otherwise
>>73993045
is there something you want to talk about anon?
>tfw already making $15/hr doing a semi-skilled job as building and vehicle maintenance
>tfw when a burger flipper(they don't even flip burgers) make as much as me
>>73994072
>1 person speaks for a whole population
>not even a politician, but a fuckin filmmaker
ahahahahahahahahahahaa
>>73995039
>The past 200 years prove otherwise
The past 200 years have proved something, but it's not supporting your argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
>>73993820
40 hours a week is full time. 8 hours per day for 5 days. anything else is overtime, WHICH PEOPLE DO AND GET PAID MORE.
>part time job was 48 a week
that's not part time, thats full time. Hope you enjoyed not getting paid extra for the other 8 hours you cuck
Apparently some people in this thread don't know that programming can be automated.
>>73995443
This is only true for companies that have a comprehensive payroll reportings.
I've worked for construction companies that don't do payroll reports and everyone worked 50-60 hr weeks without OT.
>>73991800
and what will you do with unskilled people that can only do menial job?
>>73995417
>reddit: the youtube channel
kek
in the past 200 years entire sectors were created because people no longer had to be farmers
commerce, education, healthcare, all of these got a huge boost
some people may have lost their jobs at the time, but millions upon millions more jobs were created than lost
there is no reason to believe we won't experience the same in coming decades
>>73995714
they will have to get educated, it's not that hard
especially with the internet, teaching yourself new things is incredibly easy
>tfw born too late to own a farm with slaves
>tfw born to early to have AI robots give you their pay checks
>>73986235
hva er den minste fjert loven?
>>73995585
It doesn't even matter, there's ALREADY not enough programming jobs.
Do you know how over-saturated software development is right now? It is very difficult to get a job as a programmer right now. It's one of the least in-demand STEM jobs.
>>73986235
>Why is it so hard for people to wrap their heads around this concept?
thats our line
>>73986235
>Neil Cavuto: What if the price of the Big Mac were to rise to some estimates say 5.5..
What a cuckbag. I'm pretty sure McDonald's makes fuck tons of money enough to give their workers $15 minimum wage and still make fucking billions.
>Muh Automation!
It's more affordable to pay for a kiosk and maintenance than a current minimum wage worker. Their jobs are already going to be replaced. Might as well as for the raise upfront right now while you can.
>Muh small business!
Only point he makes sense on. The minimum wage should be progressive depending on how much money you make. If you incorporate then fuck you. Pay the fee.
>>73986235
Is this nigger seriously talking like that on national television?
>>73995813
>they will have to get educated, it's not that hard
>especially with the internet, teaching yourself new things is incredibly easy
You can take burgerflipper out of McDonald's but you can't take McDonald's out of burgerflipper.
Some people are dumb and lazy, and by some I mean 99% of population. They need those menial jobs, you can't automate them.
GERMAN MEDIA LITERALLY LYING ABOUT TRUMP
>>73995543
>>73995543
>>73995543
>>73995543
>>73995543
>>73995543
>>73996196
then that is too bad for them
>>73991800
Where?
The industrial revolution was different, we stopped needing to work to survive so we could focus on other tasks.
With automation those other tasks CANNOT be simple tasks like the industrial revolution created because they'll just be replaced by more automation. The only tasks that won't be replaced are ones that require complex thought, engineers, programmers, inventors, artists (kek), not everyone has the ability to learn these jobs because a large number of the population is simply too stupid. Engineers are one thing since it requires you to be smart enough but inventors and artists can only be a tiny minority because of how the job works.
Take horses for example, pre-1886 horses were fucking everywhere and were probably the most useful animal humans had, they had a job (moving us around) and they did it well. Then here comes the car that replaces them, what jobs did they go to? Only a very tiny percentage of horses still have a job because they're too stupid to do anything else.
>>73995813
>there is no reason to believe we won't experience the same in coming decades
Yes there is, the amount of people needed to create and maintain the technology/automation is not even close to the amount of jobs that will be lost.
There simply won't be enough jobs for humans, there already isn't. There will be massive amounts of homelessness and unrest/riots.
>they will have to get educated, it's not that hard
Even if every person got high-level education and skills, there wouldn't be enough jobs for all of them.
What don't you understand about this? There is people RIGHT NOW who are getting out of college with STEM degrees, and they are not able to get any relevant job.
>>73986235
>fires-hundreds-of-workers-after-it-passes
Another step closer to Universal Basic Income. Or to a repeat of the French revolution exponentially bloodier than the last. Take your pick.
>>73986653
I make about 28$ An hour at 28 started working at 12 as a cashier for 5$ in college i made 8$ and after about 15$. The point is it took me a bachelors degree to get to 15. Its ridiculous they want that much for a job i did in highschool. A talentless job. I bet 80% of these people have hardly attempted to increase their value, they just want the goverment to gove it 2 them.
>>73996414
>gib free shit or i kill u XD
dumb socialists
>>73996276
Nice mindset, even if your job remains secure and you stay wealthy, you can enjoy the riots, unrest, and mass homelessness that will surround you.
>>73996488
Good. I'll make sure to have my guns to defend myself from any people who dare tread on my private property illegally. No problem there.
>>73996482
yes, the masses must learn to enjoy suffering or we will make them suffer even worse
>>73991800
The industrial revolution hired any tard off the street. The industrial revolution didn't make people pay to go to a trade school or university.
>>73996546
Unless you have a minigun or a private army it's probably not going to help against a full scale riot.
>>73986982
fire all the fast food workers and just let them collect welfare and play xbox--greeat idea
>>73996309
>>73996310
>automation will get rid of jobs because people are dumb
>this means all these dumb people will never find a job anymore
You guys are looking at this all wrong. When automation relieves the workload of several sectors, this allows people to develop even more in other sectors, which then create jobs.
Now I don't know which sectors this will be. I can guess that programming and engineering are going to blow up but there may also be many others.
The idea that only smart people got a job after the previous revolutions is retarded when you take into account all the easy shitty jobs that were produced after, like stocking shelves in megamarts or flipping burgers in a fast food joint.
>>73996488
>"people are lazy"
>"that's too bad"
>"they will riot"
I thought they were lazy?
>>73996823
Yeah yeah yeah, the world is ending the sky is falling yada yada yada. let me know when the full scale riot ever happens
>>73996948
I'd like to add to this post that the internet is probably going to create a massive sector of work in the future. Look at shit like youtube and twitch. Retarded people doing retarded things are already making retarded amounts of money.
>>73996276
That's too bad for you too, cause niggers will put your head on a pike before they starve.
>>73997309
I thought they were lazy?
if they have the motivation to murder they have the motivation to work
>>73996948
"The amount of people needed to create and maintain the technology/automation is not even close to the amount of jobs that will be lost."
Also just lmao at you thinking that programming and engineering jobs are going to "blow up". Everyone and their mom already thought they would be secure future-proof jobs more than a decade ago.
There is a ton of kids getting out of college right now with programming/engineering-related degrees who can't get a job, because all the jobs are already taken, they're outsourced, or the jobs left are fiercely competed for and the employers can choose from hundreds of applicants.
>>73996948
>this allows people to develop even more in other sectors
And why don't those sectors already exist?
>I can guess that programming and engineering are going to blow up
As another guy said earlier, you don't need 100 million programmers and engineers. Besides, a burger flipper isn't going to be able to learn how to program or how to be an engineer.
>The idea that only smart people got a job after the previous revolutions is retarded
>previous revolutions
They were fundamentally different than this one. This one has robots replacing any job that requires no complex thought.
Your entire argument boils down to
>nah it'll be fine, trust me :/\)
>>73986235
Berkeley Resident here
I kek'd when I heard about this
pic is from the Berkeley BART Station btw
>>73997380
Having the motivation and having the ability are two different things.
They have the motivation to murder because they're starving and want your food.
They have the motivation to work because they're starving and need food.
They have the ability to murder (which is well known).
They don't have the ability to get any smarter.
>>73986235
Leftists cannot into economics
>>73997380
There is many people who want to work but can't get a job.
>>73986235
Hey guys I have an idea. Why don't we make the minimum wage $1000 an hour?
Then everyone will be rich lol.
>>73993820
Your daily siesta break doesn't count as work
>>73997082
>Look at shit like youtube and twitch. Retarded people doing retarded things are already making retarded amounts of money.
This is a myth
The freelance economy is the future, and the only hope for the middle class.
Unfortunately, in the US at least, you're taxed at a much higher bracket if you go freelance because you need to pay into the social security/medicaid scams.
>>73997586
>Leftists reading list
>Smith
>Keynes
>Marx
>Rightists reading list
>Uncle Scrooge Adventures
>Richie Rich
>Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
>>73986235
I've been wondering if this whole minimum wage thing could be good for the US. Isn't there a chance that this might actually harm minorities and drive out spics?
I mean, the minimum wage jobs generally go to the uneducated, minority scum, because they're willing to work for next to nothing and don't have any other choices.
If the minimum wage increases, doesn't this make these jobs more interesting to young white people who need to work off their depth or get work experience? Seeing as white people are vastly better and more responsible employees, wouldn't businesses prefer to hire them, thus squeezing blacks and spics out? There are likely to be fewer positions to fill, as businesses aren't going to afford as many employees, which means that the ones they do hire need to be dependable and efficient, something minorities aren't.
Granted, the whole diversity quota shit could ruin this, but there should still be more competition.
>>73997625
There is a guy trying to make it $28 an hour in my state. It's disgusting.
>>73998794
>implying leftists read and not just say they read it and agree with each other
cute.
>>73997082
>youtube and twitch
>the vast minority make it big while the vast majority can never do anything with it
Famous people are famous because they're a minority, if everyone becomes famous then the job becomes worthless and no one is.
>>73994206
No, the point was for a way for kids to save up money for college, graduate, then get a real job offering a real pay.
>>73998798
It would drive them out of the work force (assuming the government doesn't step in and force diversity). It certainly wouldn't drive them out of the country though, welfare's stopping that.
>>73989402
>Be me
>Live in Minnesota
>Minimum wage gets raised to 10 an hour
>Suddenly no one wants to hire me anymore
>Never even get past the application part
>>73986235
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q437BX7IXd8&index=124&list=PLrJq1PMIPW_WepUtfAkinLxpoATaEhS3Q
daily reminder : liberals want everyone to devolve into that black woman through forced breeding programs
>>73999308
>>73994206
>implying there are no income levels between burger flipper and doctor
I worked my ass off to get to $15 an hour. The difference between minimum wage and $15 an hour is I have experience and a skillset. I'm not replaceable in a day by any warm body with a pulse.
>>73986235
I'd like to see how small businesses are doing after this
>>73999315
From what I understand, more spics are leaving than immigrating to the US. If you combine Trump's presidency and harder competition for shitty jobs, that might drive more of them out.
Granted, you're stuck with the niggers. They're going nowhere.
>>74000192
I doubt that figure counts illegal immigration.
>>74000317
That may be, but one thing that's for certain is that immigration has slowed down a lot, and more spics are moving back. Hopefully this trend will continue.
>>73996235
german media literally lies about everything
>>73987552
If you can't live off minimum wage then you should just kill yourself
If you try to support a family on minimum wage then you're doing life wrong
>>73986235
Because rather than actually talk about how any "social contract" was betrayed by TPTB and how we've been tossed out to rot by their owners (aka Big Big Multis) we'll focus on frantically keeping the jobs we have.
The problem isn't the fucking pay, the problem is there ARE NO FUCKING JOBS TO BE HAD BECAUSE WE FUCKED OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY SO WE COULD SELL OURSELVES CHEAP CHINK SHIT ON CREDIT FOR A CURRENCY THAT IS WORTH 1/50TH ITS ORIGINAL VALUE NOW.
Let that sink in, we are headed for a shitstorm. People are amazed that a reality TV start might be president but they don't bother to think that they've been living on borrowed time for over three decades now...
America's problem started long before most of /pol/ was even fucking born. Go research the Nixon Shock, our agricultural and manufacturing bases over 50 years, etc. etc.
>>74000774
>If you try to support a family on minimum wage then you're doing life wrong
And this is why the native-born American population continues to shrink.
For the folks that are turning their women into baby factories, look at how they are subsidized.
>>74000774
They think they should be able to live in san fran on minimum wage.
Here's an old NY Times article on minimum wage and how it prices people out of the job market.
>>74000473
>immigration has slowed down a lot, and more spics are moving back
because they sense the oncoming shitshow that is the collapse of the "current" American system. Actually, we've been in collapse mode for over a decade now, a population of frogs in a slow boil that have been treated to "free" medicine, lots of antidepressants (ever wonder why we are really depressed...perhaps because there is a good reason why?), and in some states, weed to take your worries away. TV used to do all of this but it is losing its grip, so there is a mad shuffle to push that form of distraction to streaming, where it has morphed into TV-next-gen with commercials and other bullshit.
>>73994031
Give your child up for adoption of you can't care for it. You are obviously an unfit parent.
