The environmentalists are having a party when they just raised the price of Ivory. The price on every living elephant has just increased.
On top of that the white man has just goaded poor African's into burning $100 million in resources. The stupidity hurts.
>>72535271
>the elephants already died but we are gonna burn it anyway because muh environment
>people still don't realize leftie environmentalists are the biggest useful idiots in the world
Ask any of them to give you a full explanation of how emissions trading will help the environment.
>>72535271
Their line of thinking must be that as the price of ivory raises, people become more reluctant to buy it. I feel like the people buying ivory are pretty well off though, and when a rich man wants something, they're going to get what they want even if they have to pay a poacher to go out and shoot the damn thing and chainsaw off the tusks so his daughter can have some new keys for her piano. This might acutally be cheaper to do, since the market price of ivory is probably pretty lucrative right now and there's lots of stupid people in Africa with guns looking for a quick buck, I'm sure of it.
>>72535271
Just googled this:
1. ivory is worth $1,500 per pound.
2. elephant tusk ~ 150 pounds
That's $225,000 per tusk, so $450,000 for a pair call it 500K.
Somebody should buy an expanse in the Australian outback(dirt cheap land) selectively breed/engineer african elephants for large tusks and then could have a booming business.
>>72536225
>Somebody should buy an expanse in the Australian outback(dirt cheap land) selectively breed/engineer african ele
I've been wondering this for years. Why doesn't someone legally farm all these endangered animals used in Chinese medicine and the like.
why the fuck people even pay for elephant bones or rhino horns anyway
I'm not a an-cap austrian school guy so which of the two is it:
a) the fact that the ivory pictured won't circulate means the ivory will be less widespread, less known about and thus less sought after.
or
b) there is now less ivory in circulation and so more demand and so more dead rhinos?
>>72535271
>decrease supply
>makes ivory worth more
>more elephants will get poached
Fucking hell, how is this not obvious?
>let the ivory enter the market
>new products pop up
>more people want ivory because their friends and relatives have it
>new cycle of demand
>>72536412
I think you'd just need to find a country to let you legally farm elephants and you'd be ok. Problem is they're big and smart animals so keeping them contained and alive long enough isn't easy or cheap.
>>72536412
Elephants have HUGE maturity times. Something like 30 years to reach full size.
>>72536450
>Ivory will be less known about
Holy fucking fuck. People aren't just going to forget it ever existed because it's not piled up in front of them.
>>72536429
Chink-think says it makes their dicks harder if they crush it up and snort it. They seem to think this about damn near every endangered animal though.
>>72536225
>>72536412
Except ivory is illegal, elephants eat more than 500 pounds of food a day, something you can't exactly expect them to find in the outback, and not to mention it takes them 10 to 12 years to reach sexual maturity and they have a nearly 2 year gestation period, at 22 months.
fuck, i'm just a stick in the mud today
>>72536225
Another point, it may take years for elephants to mature but you could also sell hides/leather, meat, etc...
Asians are crazy for shit like elephant feet, tiger cocks, and rhino horns. Exotic animals are a lot more expensive to farm but there must be some model which would work.
This would be a win-win for conservationists-because less poachers and the alternative Asian medicine industry which is pretty big.
>>72535271
Did anyone teach these fucking idiots basic economics?
>burn shitloads of ivory
>supply is reduced
>price increases
>poaching skyrockets
Absolute fucking morons.
>>72536608
That's why they're endangered, centuries of chinks getting hard.
>>72536412
>>72536225
because it takes 20 years for an elephant to mature
that's a very long term investment, and a lot of effort for a product that is currently internationally illegal.
>>72536450
Why are Canadians on /pol/ so fucking retarded?
>>72535271
>Be nig nog
>Have $172 million in Ivory and animal artifacts
>Such artifacts in high demand
>Could sell it legally and use the profits to fight poachers
>Be nig so I burn it instead.
Hmm seems correct.
>>72536593
I was imagining something like:
>isaac visits ecentric friend ivan and sees an ivory tusk on display
>ivan got it from umtek bishwawa because the policy wasn't to burn them all
>isaac takes a shine to the ivory and seeks out ivan's contacts
>>72536450
Ivory is a quintessential Veblen good. The more expensive it gets the more the kind of people who buy ivory want it.
>>72536457
>akes ivory worth more
>>more elephants will get poached
The IQ distribution of Africa combined with interference by rich western environmentalists.
>>72535653
> emissions bad
> want deter
> tax
>>72535271
is....is this real?
They can sell them and buy weapons and pay soldiers for protect more elephant.
Now they use a fucking lot of money for burn this shit but people always want ivory.
>>72536770
pretty sure that's most other countries. Your post being proof.
>>72536457
Look at them figuring out economy, just look at them go.
>>72536571
>Elephants have HUGE maturity times. Something like 30 years to reach full size.
So do trees. Nobody is planting those for future harvesting right?
>>72536795
>Be white man
>Own a few tons of ivory in a secure location
>Convince africans they need to burn their only source of subsistance
>Value of ivory shoot through the roof
>>72536618
If they're worth $500k each it's worth the cost. You only need to raise most of them to early adulthood and just keep a few breeders alive
>>72536457
>Supply goes down and is harder to get to
>Ivory price goes up as a result
>Demand goes down as a result
>>72536952
It's not the first ivory-burn by any stretch, this sort of thing happens a lot as tons of ivory gets confiscated every year and they don't want to put it back on the market so they destroy it, like police do with drugs.
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-03-22/poisoning-rhino-horns-doesnt-hurt-rhinos-it-may-keep-poachers-away
related, SA people are poisoning rhino horns so that if they're poached, they fuck up whoever buys and consumes it. I'm skeptical but hopeful of this solution, at least for the rhinos.
>>72536733
>>72536618
>>72536571
>>72536412
Ok didn't realize it takes 30 god damn years for them to grow large tusks.
At 500K per elephant you'd need to keep costs under about 16K per animal per year to make a profit. I assume elephant veterinarians, water and food supply would cost almost double that.
>>72537005
>pic related
>>72537122
>ivory is a normal good
top lel
>>72536412
they do harvest rhino horn because it grows back quickly
>>72535271
The real solution to the ivory problem is to flood the black market with nigh indistinguishable false ivory. The retarded Chinks and niggers that actually trade the stuff won't know the difference, the perceived worth of ivory will shrink to negligible levels and won't be worth the risk or trouble anymore.
>>72537122
Supply only goes down until they kill more elephants
>>72537122
>>Demand goes down as a result
I don't think so Tim.
>>72536412
But they do have tiger farms in China.
Even though the first thought that the price necessarily rises is usually correct, in this case it is better to burn it. By selling it they would give owning ivory a sense of legality, because after all a regular government sells it. This way they demonstrate that there is a high stigma attached to owning ivory which can prevent further hunting. This of course excludes all those who are willing to pay any price, but it apparently has an impact on the regular citizen. There was an article in the Economist about it but I am too lazy to look it up.
>>72535271
Think about all the global warming that's causing. The horror!
>>72537156
>>72537212
>>72537213
Ivory is a luxury item. People don't get addicted to ivory and demand isn't incredibly huge as a result. If the luxury item goes up in price then that means people will be less inclined to buy it in comparison to alternatives.
If you really want to end the ivory trade you need to find a way to grow ivory in a lab.
Where did they even get the tusks?
>>72537275
It would be far more expensive to do so. Ivory isn't a plastic.
To be fair, the value is determined by more than just supply -- demand is a factor as well.
The ivory burning are intended to publicize the problem, and attempt to make it less socuially-acceptable to buy ivory. Driving down demand would be a good thing.
You can argue whether this contributes to that, but at least understand the goal.
>>72537005
it's easy to one-for-one plant new trees as you cut them down. you can plant hundreds of thousands a year and let nature grow them for you. sunlight and rainfall. there are already a countless number of trees in the world, and they continue to propagate themselves with or without. we are just shoring up the population.
elephants are already nearly extinct. it would take a century to establish an adequate supply base. good luck doing that in captivity, even with artificial insemination. you can't grow animals like you do trees. also, good luck feeding all those elephants. whatever relatively small population existed before we killed all of them was the natural equilibrium. it took all of africa to feed that many.
>>72537270
The demand would only go down with the already-poor people throughout China and southeast Asia, the people with the money to use ivory as more than viagra would just shell out the extra few shekels, what would they care?
>>72537270
>what is a veblen good
Do you even know how rich people work?
How about we just give the chinks some viagra or something so they don't need to eat powdered ivory or whatever.
>>72537183
>a solution to the ivory problem is to flood the black market with nigh indistinguishable false ivory.
Are you kidding!? Like the Chinese know nothing about counterfeit product right?
>>72535271
Fucking hippies and niggers. Just think about how many works of art could be made with that ivory. What a waste. Hundreds of elephants died for nothing.
>>72537005
Yeah actually they are. It's called tree farming. It's where most of our wood comes from.
>>72537454
>>72537522
Fewer buyers impacts the markets, making it harder to get the stuff to customers as there are fewer suppliers willing to obtain the goods for a smaller number of customers.
>>72537219
Right you are. I did not know that.
/pol/ is usually right but I draw the line at thinking killing elephants is ok.
I mean seriously, I care about elephants far more than nig nogs or irish.
>>72537579
This. It's been going on for ages.
>>72537005
We have Kauri trees here which are worth shitloads, however they take centuries to grow so all the forestry is Pine which has a 5 year cycle even though it's worth far, far less. The risk is too high, the time span too long and their size is massive, pretty similar to elephants
>>72536225
This worked with alligators and leather, back when American alligators were becoming endangered due to poaching. Alligator farms were very lucrative, and there are now so many fucking gators in parts of the US south that they are a nuisance and need to be culled.
Of course, there are some difference in ho you would go about farming elephants, it may not be at all practical.
Note that in SEA, they have been using tamed elephants as living bulldozers for centuries, but they do not raise them in captivity, they still have to go out and catch new elephants.
the lives of majestic, magnificent animals like elephants, lions, tigers, rhinos and giraffes are worth much , much more than the lives of niggers.
>>72537540
You don't need to fool the rich final buyers, if you fool enough of the low-level nigger poachers and chink ivory smugglers you'll fuck the whole system up.
>>72537631
For what ? Bones ?
>>72535271
This "thing" is illegal
>Oh wow a lucrative illegal business emerges from a social/environmental issue where demand cannot be eliminated without requiring decades of social improvement.
let's destroy huge batch of "thing", with our biggest politician representative having a speech on how its a big success but needs a few more law to outlaw it more.
>oh wow let's cyclically destroy/seize/inflate a batch of said "thing" to overinflate its price on an already overdemanding market. Thus justifying the illegality of said 'thing' even more, leading to even more violents,mob type, ways to keep the business afloat.
Those "things" are getting out of hands let's imrpove our police system to fight the thing, but don't solve the issue from where it comes from.
>oh wow an entire economical system where politicians required to solve the "thing" issue are in fact, adjusting the ''thing''s price over offer by outlawing and destructing said "thing". And where the investments made to fight the "thing" bigger and bigger each year.
Now mediatisation of fighting the "thing" is the way to think for the sheep normie, but don't please think on how we totally lessened your individual freedoms by scapegoating a social/environmental issue.
>oh wow, those politicians are financially involved in the "thing"
That was the plan all along.
the thing can be ivory, cannabis, petrol, organs, gas, tobacco, diamonds, guns, cocaine, booze (in moosleem cuntry or 1920"US), meth, child pornography and much much much more
>>72537412
>ephants are already nearly extinct. it would take a century to establish an adequate supply base. good luck doing that in captivity, even with artificia
Cattle are raised on huge ranges. Africa has land, it just needs to be treated like a national industry.
>>72537183
that worked the first time because people just wanted shitty statues and billiard balls and ash trays. the synthetic stuff had the same physical properties so people were fine with it, considering it was cheaper and ran you no risk of arrest.
the demand now comes from 'traditional chinese medicine' and people who are essentially outright malicious and demand real ivory no matter what. synthetics will not do for these groups.
Dude ivory LMAO
Africans don't make these decision on their own.
>>72537579
>what is sarcasm
retard
>>72537536
Western medicine no good, need ancient chinese medicine! Seriously, the people there dumb enough to think powdered horn works on their cocks are not getting any brighter in the foreseeable future.
>>72537734
People still buy art and pay lots of money for it despite this going on.
>>72537005
How many tress can you grow per acre? How many acres do you need per elephant?
>>72537793
I understand what you're saying, but there is a difference between counterfeit ivory products and counterfeit ivory. I'm saying we need to literally start synthesizing tusks and inserting them into the flow of ivory to the East, they won't know they're fake until they snort the vile shit up their snouts, or get it tested in a laboratory, which requires quite a lot of money that the vast majority of the workers in the ivory trade do not have.
>>72537742
Mainly the penis I think.
>>72537761
Yeah but imagine how hard it would be to raise cattle if the entire population of Middle America was actively trying to kill them.
The only option is to put the elephants out of reach of the Africans and that is nigh unfeasible.
>>72537352
>ivory isn't a plastic
That doesn't matter.
It's just biology.
If they can grow meat in a lab they can grow ivory.
>It would be far more expensive to do so
Only if it's not done on an industrial scale.
You're acting like there's some legal centralized Ivory market out there that keeps count of all the harvested ivory and potential ivory in living animals out there, and accounts the slaughtered ones as if they were already on the market and adjusted the prices beforehand. They weren't. No one knew about them sans a handful of merchants that were probably working with the poachers. Following that logic the world bank should outlaw gold and silver mining.
Also, there's a bunch of legal restrictions from selling ivory if they wanted to. But that doesn't really matter as at-least when it's very scarce and rare on the blackmarket, the average backwards peasant chink (who probably consist of most of the people who buy it and other exotic shit for their folklore medicinal beliefs and collections) won't be rich enough to be accessible to it. Only the few rich ones who still hold onto those beliefs would be able to afford the increase of price.
If anything, they should launch an operation where they overtake the poachers to the merchants who usually buy ivory, gain their trust, and just sell them so artificial-looking ivory, or try to inflate a bunch of it into the market, to decrease buyer confidence from being sceptical of what you're getting is the real deal or not.
>>72537943
I would also add that most Chinese people actually have no idea that Elephants are killed for Ivory. They literally think it comes from farmed elephants and it grows back.
As Chinese education improves we should see less demand from china.
>>72535271
Next, Africans will rise above everyone else in the diamond trade to burn all of their diamonds that they have dug up, fill in all the mines with concrete and round up all of the tyrants who feud and kill each other.
Oh wait...The Merchant is too far entrenched in that trade...so carry on, look the other way. No big deal that the ring your gold digger wife is drooling over was dug up by a 10 year old nigglet with a gun to his back during his 14 hr shift while his childhood friend was shot in the skull for not working fast enough. The Jews control the diamond industry; nothing to see here. Burn your ivory. Lmfao.
>>72535271
That's why they hunt poachers now, as they should
>>72537125
Note they also impregnate it with a bright dye that shows it has been tampered with. The goal is not to poison some stupid flaccid Chinaman, it is to make the horns worthless, and obviously so.
(It might be more effective to not dye them, and make every horn snorted for maximum yang a game of Russian Roulette. You could get a bigger effect by posoning fewer horns. But muh.ethics.
>>72537393
Ivory being rare and illegal just makes me want to own ivory. Nazi memorabilia being socially unacceptable to collect has not driven down the price of authentic Nazi stuff. People pay extra for the swastika, and it should be no different with ivory.
>>72537352
>It would be far more expensive to do so.
Once the technique is established it would probably be cheaper. You could have entire warehouses of tusks growing on 30 years cycles. It's basically the same time table as aging whiskey.
>>72537815
Jesus Christ that bear is fucking terrifying
>>72537166Iy grows back if you don't kill the rhino Poached ones don;t tend to gro back because #gorethread. How fast itt grows, I don't know, but in zoos where they trim them for safety, they have to do it repeatedly.
>>72537127
What about hormones and specialized diets. Basically end up the same as big fat chickens. The issue with selectively breeding them is that it takes too long to reach sexual maturity. If you start now your great grand children might have elephants that mature at half the time with tusks twice as big...
>sell it all immediately at low prices
>crash the market
>no more poachers
Instead they do this
nigs and libs everyone
>>72538109
>burn all of their diamonds
You know, they could probably be goaded into trying at least.
>>72538188
muh ethics is all that's stopping them from injecting lethal poison into those horns and outright killing anybody who ingests that stuff, which I imagine would put a quick halt to demand.
>>72537393
>destroying the supply reduces demand
Does the Public Edjewcation system spend even ten minutes on basic economics, or do you just twerk in class now while watching niggers fuck the white girls?
>>72538016
Right now environmentalist get funding to hire men with gun to protect them. How does a farmer protect his cows in Africa now without western funding? How did the rich of Europe prevent poaching on their lands?
>>72538369
It wouldn't have a long-term effect. I like >>72538188 's idea of poisoning the horns and re-inserting them into the market, killing the buyers and reducing overall demand due to the risk of poisoning.
>>72537304
Elephants.
No, but seriously, captured when the catch and flay poachers.
>>72537742
>Bones
Yes, believe it or not but they use it to make wine.
Also, as stated, the penis.
But also, of course, tiger rugs.
>>72537726
Instead of powdered ivory tusk, just give the chinks powdered nigger bones.
This isn't limited to elephants. The same thing happens with exotic wood and charcoal. African's are not allowed to harvest their own resources. Instead of helping them manage it environmentalists just make using it illegal.
>>72536608
Which is why we need to kill as many chinks as possible. Shark finning, rhino poaching, tiger poaching, eating dogs, just about every insane environmental crime against animals all comes back to chinks.
Besides, start killing them off and we can then restart American industry without the competition. So we get to Make America Great Again and help the endangered animals.
>>72538188
This practice also does nothing to protect the animal. When a poacher spends days tracking a rhino across the open wilds only to find the horn has been damaged or removed, they kill the rhino anyway so they don't waste their time in the future tracking an animal worth no money to them.
The only thing that is going to protect these animals is managing the supply. They could have sold the confiscated horn to wealthy collectors, which would have greatly reduced the demand - because those wanting ivory would have had an opportunity to get some- then used the millions of dollars generated to build better wildlife preservation, and start a proper breeding program.
For fucks sake they've got operations breeding lions for meat now. Let a for-profit operation take over and the population grows, because that's how you make money.
Instead niggers were convinced to set their money on fire so a few Jews can have their private stashes be worth a lot more shekel on the black market.
>>72538433
I don't get what the fuck you are saying, but here's the deal: We care more about Africa than Africans do. As long as they are actively trying to destroy their own societies and environments, there's not much that can be done. We are putting fingers in the dam leaks right now. Not a single one of them has decided there's anything more worthwhile than personal monetary gain.
When the occasional Sankara type pops up, he is assassinated so more money can be extorted.
>>72538092
Why can't they just anesthetize the elephants and saw the tusks off? They're just teeth. Mammals will survive after getting a few teeth removed.
>>72537040
I came here to post this.
>>72536668
TFW I just took my macroeconomics final yesterday.
>>72535271
Can someone give me a proper explanation for the burning of ivory?
"Because they're retarded" doesn't count, I already know that. What's the (supposed such) rationale behind burning ivory?
>>72536668
there are different types of goods and different types of markets. didn't they teach you that in intro to macro 101?
The best way to protect African wildlife is to exterminate niggers.
>>72538199
>makes me want it more
Would you be open to the suggestion that your reaction while interesting, may not be the reaction of the population at large. For example, you enjoy spending time here, many people would be repulsed by /pol/
>>72538427
Reading comprehension? Do you motherfucking have any?
To restate, reducing supply does not reduce the demand. Publicity, it is hoped, will help reduce demand. Burning a shit-ton of ivory gets publicity -- look how we are all bickering about it on /pol/, the Internet;s largest concentration of people with obvious erectile problems.
Or is it your contention that advertising/publicity does not influence demand?
>>72538691
Terrifying
>>72538860
You should write to Trump, see if he'll sign off on this masterful plan.
>>72538902
Obviously wild bush niggers aren't going to bother using anesthesia because they don't give a shit about the elephants, but if the eco-nuts took the tusks first humanely then there wouldn't be an incentive for the bush niggers to shoot the elephants.
>>72538968
>"Because they're retarded"
Because they are retarded. The president of Kenya made that quote.
>>72538968
According to the article, they think it will make a big scene and make people think about the impacts of the Ivory trade.
I shit you not, they think it will guilt Ivory dealers and buyers into stopping.
>>72538968
Because african governments are corrupt as shit and its the best way to keep smugglers from getting paid for "confiscated" ivory
>>72539076
Ivory is already only worth buying because it is rare and expensive. It's a status item; the people who buy it are only more enticed by the prospect of owning and even RARER and MORE EXPENSIVE object.
If you're looking to be further triggered by negroes, read about the rape and cannibalism of the pgymy people.
http://newobserveronline.com/cannibalism-still-stalks-african-conflicts/
>>72535400
fpbp
>>72538968
Because african governments are corrupt as shit so the smugglers would end up being paid for confiscated ivory sold by the government
>>72536429
I have ivory sculptures because I am not poor.
>>72539339
http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/baker1.html
http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/glave.html
http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/congo1.html
http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/congo2.html
>>72538883
>When a poacher spends days tracking a rhino across the open wilds only to find the horn has been damaged or removed, they kill the rhino anyway ...
Would not surprise me at all. Poachers are scum. Of course, if the tree-huggers could get the number of rhinos with treated horns up high enough, the trade would stop as poachers spent too much time tracking dyed rhinos and not finding any salable ones.
I still circle back to not dying them, just poisoning them. The world is filled with poisonous things you shouldn't eat -- and mostly people don;t eat them. Why not add rhino horn to the list?
>The only thing that is going to protect these animals is managing the supply. They could have sold the confiscated horn to wealthy collectors, which would have greatly reduced the demand - because those wanting ivory would have had an opportunity to get some- then used the millions of dollars generated to build better wildlife preservation, and start a proper breeding program.
Curious, why not just make it legal then? I mean, what you propose there is to sell captured ivory legally, and you say that will reduce demand. Surely more ivory would come on the market if it were legal, right?
>For fucks sake they've got operations breeding lions for meat now. Let a for-profit operation take over and the population grows, because that's how you make money.
As mentioned by other posters above, there are issues with farming elephants. The time to maturity is very long, and you have to feed/maintain them that whole time. Plus they are big muthas and talented escape artists. (Oddly, rhinos are also notorious among zookeepers for their escape talent.) Note that the people who use elephants as draft animals do not raise them, it is not practical, they go out and catch wild ones.
>Instead niggers were convinced to set their money on fire so a few Jews can have their private stashes be worth a lot more shekel on the black market.
Memed.
>>72539231
Elephants have tusks for a reason though. Not sure how damaging it is to them to try and live without them -- presumably less damaging than getting shot by a poacher.
>>72539324
The Chinaman who needs massive yang for new girlfriend is not buying ivory to own a luxury item -- he needs mighty staff of imperial pearl to penetrate lotus of morning dew, and also with nice tits.
>>72539339
This is even better if you whistle the little tune the mouse-droid whistles in the original movie.
>>72536429
Ivory is at once beautiful to behold and an exquisite material to touch - piano white keys were plated with it in the olden days. It's undescribable, i played on those once and oh my fucking god.
also, this >>72539482 mega Kek to burgers being burgers
>>72538860
autism.
Last post, going to lunch -- but I have the solution.
Convince cold chinese men that, while elephant tusk is pretty good to put the stalk back in your root, what is REALLY good is ground poacher. Makes you hard for days, cum like hose of mighty fire-engine, all night long.
>>72540430
>Makes you hard for days, cum like hose of mighty fire-engine, all night long.
>>72540430
If the chinks accept ground up nigger bones instead there won't be any problems with elephants anymore.
>>72536225
don't forget about the meat, hide and so on that could all be used as well
>>72541340
shill it!
>>72537393
Knowing it is hard to find and against the wishes of some faggy leftist groups only makes me want it more now tbqh fampai
