Why is it every time I meet a communist I get the same maymay easily refutable "arguments" for implementation of communism? Kaczynski,in his manifesto, actually gives a plausible "tour de mind" of an average socialist/communist and I was wondering what are your explanations of the "le I am communist maymay" we are seeing today.
My personal view is that Marx has identified some crucial underpinning issues concerning capitalism,but has not provided any remedy/surrogate system to take its place.
>communism is that system
A system that completely ignores ethnos,abolishes freedom,tries to nullify genetic predispositions,deletes and rewrites national history,concentrates enormous amounts of power in hands of a couple of people (unlike capitalism this is based not on merit,but on political/personal suitability),enforces repression of unparalleled proportions through a huge mechanism (from secret services to large standing/reservist armies),bashes any free thought and controls the media entirely,tries to meddle in economy and fails spectacularly etc. Communism may the the worst form of governing our civilization has ever seen and its is appalling that hordes of half baked,uneducated retards around the globe still suck on the same ideology for decades. You know what the funniest thing about communism is? It actually comes close to functionality when it abolishes big chunks of its own ideology. Soviets invoked Rodina in WW2 to throw back the Germans,they invoked russian nationalism and it fucking worked. Chinese have more or less adopted capitalistic investments and by opening their market gave rise to their economy that is unparalleled in modern times (only comparable growth is by the US in WW2).
And here comes the cold hard truth ,communism is controlled opposition. Yes,you read it right. Money trail and their deviation and "love affair" with the "banksters" was identified by many,even Marx disciples (my nigga Bakunin was prominent at the time).
Share thoughts anons.
>>72519918
Perhaps the worst part about communists I have met in my life is that they really think to themselves that they are morally right,high upon their mountain they look down on us mortal beings who actually put the individual ,they claim to defend so vigorously, in the middle of our society and give him the means to,according to his own actions, builds himself a better future. Nietzches ubermensch may only be born in a capitalistic society and that alone is a good enough reason to put up with the capitalistic system. Communists actually blame capitalism for its crony iteration they are witnessing today when they should blame their governments that effectively killed real capitalism by giving leeway to socialists and bankers/"big buck industrialists". Communists are the worst cancer inflicted on our society,useful idiots that should get the taste of their own medicine,court marshalled and shot in the chest by a firing squad.
>>72519918
I actually expect some decent non-maymay responses by /pol/. Dont let me down.
all modern societies are more leftist than any oldschool communism shithole.
Communism was just not enough to keep up the circusses and bread.
Communism doesn't work because when the government owns the means of production it either over produces or under produces goods thanks to the lack pf price signaling.
This results in things like bread lines, economic stagnation, etc.
>>72520123
preaching to the choir
>>72520123
also overproduction or wasting resources on things like unnecessary military equipment.
>>72520123
>>72520201
All those tanks man
>>72520122
True dat. How do you cope with living in Germany? I heard East Germans are still based to some extent,but from what I am seeing you all aboard the Titanic and ready to hit that Goldberg,uh, I am sorry, iceberg.
Post some communist encounters.I will start.
>meet a girl last summer
>she is on vacation in Croatia
>americoon
>said how she is in antifa
>said she is a communist
>me and my friend take offer her a tour
>we take her up on a hill overlooking the entire subregion
>tell her to turn around and look in the pit that is located behind us
>point the plaque on the bedrock beside the pit
>tell her that partisan communists murdered 400 peasants by tying their feet/hands together and throwing them in the 100 meter deep pit
>she breaks down and ask us to take here to the place she was staying
>we tell her to wait there so we could grab something out of our car
>we got in the car and left here there
She called the cops and made a fuss about it.Till this day me and my friend kek our asses off when we remember that.
>>72521205
White American cunts are the most pampered sluts on this planet. Every time I meet one in Aarhus, they always prattle on about equality and communism. Most of them study some useless arts degree.
I love tearing apart their infantile arguments while getting drunk with my bros.
I had one straight up say "I don't believe in money. I just want to start a farm and live my life there with my boyfriend."
>mfw
>>72521205
based
>>72521205
Communists seem to take a different road than capitalists when they start to think they are smarter than the people. Not saying communists are smart by any means but I've met sort of intelligent people who tend to think along the Marxist spectrum. Communists believe that they have the moral and intellectual superiority over the rest so they think some type of authoritarian means would fix all the problems. What I'm trying to get at is a lot of them think that if they were a dictator, they would fix all of the problems in the country because they are morally and intellectually superior.
>>72519918
Why would I have much to say about a failed ideology? Communism has been dying a slow death for decades now. It holds on in a few places but give it a little longer and it'll be gone.
What I can say is that communism as a pure thought without governmental write up is pretty nice. It works great. On paper. But the fact that not a single nation ever adopted true communism says a lot about how flawed the whole thing is. Like any well meaning idea it got mucked up by involving people.
For example it sounds great to say a nation should feed, clothe, and house everybody. But put it in practice and you get lazy leeches, high taxes, and pissed off working class. The idea is good but impractical. Communism never accounted for the various forms human greed takes. Greed for ownership, greed for power, greed for money. Any one of those would ruin communism much less all 3.
>>72519918
I thought true Marxism was a communist society without government and just people working together, it's still bullshit but I'm just trying to figure out the difference between Soviet Communism and Marxism
Also side note Spain had a "sustainable" communist regime for three years before it collapsed horribly collapsed does anyone have any reading in how much life was shit to them? This guy I argue with is a communist jew and he constantly uses Spain as an example that it could work.
>>72522072
If I remember correctly during the Spanish revolution or some shit they implemented true communism for three years before it collapsed due to Italy and the pressures of WWII about to start.
>>72519918
>My personal view is that Marx has identified some crucial underpinning issues concerning capitalism,but has not provided any remedy/surrogate system to take its place
It's because a better system doesn't exist. Pure capitalism doesn't work because humans demand a bit of collectivism. A mainly capitalist system with SOME redistributive qualities (to fund infrastructure, military, ect) has proven to be the best system. However, it is unsustainable because humans want simplicity, or think they do, so each system will gradually move toward socialism/communism since it's easy to understand and looks ok on paper. It's easy to legislate more entitlements, but in most cases it's impossible to take away entitlements.
>>72521681
I actually heard the exact same shit from at least 10 commiesluts. Needless to say,all in useless humanities courses payed by their bourgeois parents.
>>72521929
That is certainly true,misguided but true. I too have met my fair share of pseudointelligent rant over "moral superiority" of communism. One thing they get particularly triggered is mentioning natsoc.It rustles their jimmies on levels unfathomable to man.
>>72522072
Complete and utter disregard of human nature.It backfires on any system that makes the mistake of forgetting and implementing regulatory mechanisms for it.
>>72522227
Marxism is a philosophy,not a societal system for governing a region. That dude is a fucking retard. I will recommend to you two books. First one is The Spanish Civil War by Hugh Thomas (superb work of historiography) and the second one is The Spanish Civil War by Stanley Payne ( more focused on communism/republicanism/CEDA etc.).
>no passaran
>mfw they passaran
>>72522868
From what I've seen implementing classical libralism and Jefferson's principles allows capitalism to work the best, everytime we fuck our system up is when we go against the classical liberal philosophy.
>>72521681
Do you really attribute their desire to just leave the modern world with communist ideology? For me, when people espouse ideas of just escaping the modern world it is not coming from a Marxist tradition but rather from a transcendentalist anarchist thought. Of course they could be wanting to escape capitalism but I think it is much more human that ideology. Communists and libertarians all desire us to be free despite their differences. It's hopeful optimism for a better future that attracts people to become communists in the 21st century. They may be infantile dreams but we shouldn't be so hard on someone for dreaming.
A little bit of a meandering ramble but take from it what you will.
>>72522868
It is unsustainable because of the technological advancement and potential nepotism/cronyism that emerges after a few generations. You are an American and America is probably one of the few nations to experience capitalism as it was originally envisioned. What happened? Federal Reserve,IRS,lobbying,Affirmative Action etc. Giants like Milton Friedman were silenced and ridiculed for their almost prophetic essays on the future of your country. Capitalism can only be reiterated in libertarian society.
>>72523393
Thank you I've been trying to explain shit to him for a while now and he's convinced communism is sustainable.
>>72521205
>partisan communists murdered 400 peasants by tying their feet/hands together and throwing them in the 100 meter deep pit
Yeah, sure.
>>72523642
Why is it automatically implied that communism in closer to the goal we are striving to? Natural laws governing life on our planet served as a bedrock of all sociological structures that anthropology and sociology study today. Isnt it more rational and moral to encourage the individual to strive for the best? Was that not the central point of Thus Spoke Zaratustra and Jesus aphorism about feeding the hungry man? Defeatism and postmodern outlook on the man who is a product/victim of superstructures and "powers that be" does not produce a healthy individual. Collectivism and moral refuge communism offers is puerile at best and should be called out. The Moral Obligation to Be Intelligent by Erskine sums up my point more eloquently.
>>72523821
http://sibenskiportal.rtl.hr/2013/05/11/spomen-dan-kriznog-puta-u-nedjelju-komemoracija-nad-jamom-golubinka/
Use google translate. They have identified 70 of 410 corpses found there.
>le red horde,pardon me,army is good and not a bunch of barbaric,drunk rapists
Stop shitposting Ivan and go back to DOTA
>>72523770
You said he is a Jew,dont bother trying "converting" him. You will gain nothing by it,enlighten the goyim,waste no time on him.
>>72524228
Croatia bringing the deepest thoughts.
>>72524228
Communists see communism as the goal because they believe it will bring a fair world for all of man. Is the belief in an ideology not intended to be for the betterment of man? Is this not why libertarians what to remove red tape, to enhance their freedom but also the fredom of the collective?
For me the idea of checking out of modern society to live on a farm is the most individualistic thing you can do. Is that not to be encouraged? You are rejecting the collective to do what you want to make your own success and deal with the failures. You are making the individual sovereign.
>>72524973
I agree, it's very rare /pol/ makes you actually think. The absence of memes is refreshing also.
>>72524228
The education in Croatia must be off fucken tap mate.
>>72524996
If you read Albert Camus (a communist who left the communist party because they started killing people) beloved in what is called collective destiny where everyone is connected and has to work together to achieve tasks, but his personal philosophy is based on the individual and not the community, he believed that the center to a working government was an aware individual, even in a communist society, collective destiny can be applied to any small government system.
>>72525063
The normies can't handle serious discussion they tend to stay away from chats like this thank goodness.
>>72519918
>and I was wondering what are your explanations of the "le I am communist maymay" we are seeing today.
Most people are ignorant morons who want a free ride.
>>72525689
This, the only informed people that belive in communism are touchy feely Jews. Everyone else is uninformed.
>implying most of the technology and products we use today could exist without a market system
Communism is so outdated that it hurts.
>>72525063
>it's very rare /pol/ makes you actually think.
you haven't been here long
>>72525889
I think anon was referring to how many shitpost threads there are that fill up with shitty insults and ignoring debate and don't have anything if substance to discuss.
>>72525621
I think Camus is an interesting character and he is on the reading list . The power of a government is only equal to the individuals who comprise it. I'm not pretending that I have a profound grasp of these concepts but I think to attribute someone's hopefulness to an outdated ideology that only survives in a minority worldwide. I rather admire their optimism.
>>72525889
Once you get past the redpilling it just jew maymays. It's all subjective though, you must have experience better threads than me. All power to you.
>>72525784
Not just touchy feely Jews, but also people who think that they will be in charge in general.
>>72524973
Exceptions from serbposting/shitposting croat poster do exist my Danish friend.
>>72524996
You are right that they believe that it would bring a fair world for all mankind, but their belief should be underscored there. What is belief when it is not probed by empirical evidence (set aside metaphysical/theological lines of reasoning for the purpose of the argument) and what is a better experiment to determine effectiveness of a system than our unhindered human history? Their belief crossed the border of pure superstition when every single iteration of their ideology that is "a step closer to utopia" ended up as a dystopia.
When we are talking about ideology as a crucial element for betterment of a man we may conclude that it plays a significant role. What is important when considering any ideology is that they,without exception, must be deconstructed and probed for the best elements they had to offer so we could manufacture a "Frankenstein" ideology that would come closest to the ideal one,the one we most probably will reach.
Freedom is the central enemy of communism.No questions about it. Communism sees freedom as a disruption of its existence and ,this goes without saying, the prime mission of every system is to keep itself afloat. Communism tries to "smother" freedom by imposing a huge repressive apparatus and by negating all references prior to the birth of a system (an analogy is how we take the birth of Jesus Christ as a point from which we measure time) imposing a completely abstract/unnatural set of values. This ignorance of Heraclitian "fiery" aspect of nature and by induction governing systems causes the largest problems for communism.
cont
>>72526171
Camus is the only redpilled communist in existence all the others were deluded, the only reason he was aware was because he watched what the Nazi's did. He's the only communist philosopher I can stand.
>>72526338
Try Yezgeny Zamyatin. Not a philosopher but took part in the Bolshevik Revolution and left them after the Krogstad Mutiny I think. He pre-empted Orwell with 'We' and is well worth a read.
>>72519918
Someone should get a communist general thread going where we have links for communism awareness and shit, I think it'd be a good thing to get going but I'm a lazy shit so yeah.
>>72527230
He sounds interesting will do, thanks Anglobro
>>72524996
As for the sovereignity of an individual we must take a look at the role of individuality and individual responsibility in the largest societal structures,civilizations. Whether you take Quigleys analysis (7 stages of a civilization in its "lifetime") or Tylers ( 9 stages ) we can clearly identify that decay/decadence rest partly on the abandonment of faith in the individual. Ever since the man departed from his homestead ( second part of the 18th century ) there has been a need to transform him from a sovereign individual to a slave. Our educational system was borne out of need to fuel industries with workers who were more or less independent villagers. You are not trained to be a productive ( on a civilizational scale) human being, you are being molded into a worker. Goethe and Schopenhauer wrote extensively about this,suggest you look them up. Did you ever wonder why you have a single teacher for the first few years in school ( I think that is kindergarten in USA/UK)? To transfer the motherly/fatherly figure from your biological parents to your teachers. Everything about the school system is governed by consumerism that ,leeching off from communism, has found an effective way to "homogenize" its citizens by punishing subversive elements subtly from the youngest age.
You might wrongly conclude that this means that the system is to be blamed for all your sufferings and failures. The state/system is the coldest of all beasts. I have borrowed Nietzsches words to demonstrate that the very rigidity of every system can be misused and that the system itself is not conscious. If you instrumentally accepted education as a means to justify the goal you have passed their filter. They have got a virus in the matrix.
Communism rubbed off on capitalism so much that we are now,de facto and in some particular cases de iure, living in capitalistic/communistic hybrid states. Welfare states with central banks and huge governments have hijacked capitalism as a patsy.
>>72519918
>A system that completely ignores ethnos,abolishes freedom,tries to nullify genetic predispositions,deletes and rewrites national history,concentrates enormous amounts of power in hands of a couple of people (unlike capitalism this is based not on merit,but on political/personal suitability),enforces repression of unparalleled proportions through a huge mechanism (from secret services to large standing/reservist armies),bashes any free thought and controls the media entirely,tries to meddle in economy and fails spectacularly etc.
Soviet union was not
>>72527474
What's the source for Neitzche's words? From what I've seen a lot of liberals suck his dick because they love nihilism and atheism so he would be a strong appela to authority for them to be anti Marxist.
>>72520060
>Perhaps the worst part about communists I have met in my life is that they really think to themselves that they are morally right,high upon their mountain they look down on us mortal beings who actually put the individual ,they claim to defend so vigorously, in the middle of our society and give him the means to,according to his own actions, builds himself a better future.
Most of them are retards. The other actually believe in utopia
>>72527672
*was not communist
>>72525500
Camus is the real existentialist who nails the point and manages to deliver it through literature ( I even liked Viscontis movie interpretation of the Stranger). Sartre is a cuck,a literal cuck. Also, I love mentioning the age of consent petition ( signed by Foucault,Derrida,Beauvoir,Sartre ) to communists since they adore them.
>>72527949
Yes it was, and it was good.
Fuck off revisionist.
>>72528111
I'm not very aware of who those others are I suppose further reading is required.
>>72528280
Fuck off to the gulag you Shill.
>>72527689
The source is from Thus Spoke Zaratustra.
>>72527672
You can say that about every single country that tried to be communistic. It is impossible to maintain a communistic country,but various iterations of communism sure did try and fail.
>lefty/pol/
Man I am sorry that I am leaving the thread, ,university commitments have got me by the balls. Also, I sincerely hope that you are national-socialist and use that retarded trip to trigger people.
>>72527474
There is, for me, a distinction to be made between a communist and communism. I think this is true of all ideologies. Only very few can claim to be so dogmatic that they are their ideology. But their unfettered optimism should surely be admired? After all, they want freedom for all. Their problem is that there is disconnect between the ideology and reality that leads them to blame outside elements for their own. You say the state is the coldest of beasts and that is why it is blamed. It is faceless, abstract and to the average citizen totally untouchable.
The interpretation of freedom is also important. For a communist financial dependence makes you a slave to capital. The liberal sees the ability to control capital as one of the most important aspects of capitalism. Therefore no ideology sees themselves as the enemy of freedom. Even the fascist claims to be a liberator. However the regimes that have borne the communist tags have forever stained it. Hugary, Czechoslovakia and Poland are testament to this.
Education is another matter. Padraig Pearse had some very interesting ideas on it if you're into that. It was capitalism that drove industrialisation and built the education system we have today. Individuals created the system to benefit industry in the hope that it would benefit others did they not? Goodbye Croatbro. I learnt a lot
>A system that gets white nationalists mad,abolishes freedom for white nationalists,tries to nullify genetic predispositions so white nationalists have no room to move,deletes and rewrites all the dicks we drew on national history,concentrates enormous amounts of power in hands of a couple of really cool dudes (unlike capitalism this is based not on greed,but on who can run a big ass fucking country),enforces repression the people i was told to idolize all my life through a huge mechanism (from secret services to large standing/reservist armies),bashes stupid ideas and controls the media entirely,tries to meddle in my profits and fails spectacularly etc.
so terrible
>>72528447
ah, it is actually you is going to the gulag my friend........
>browse pol
>run into this thread
>its an actual thread and not a series of shitposts
>see flag
>croatia
God fucking damn it I am proud now
>>72528280
Communism implies a absence of state. Try again you retard
How can you seriously hate this guy? He modernized the fuck out of Russia.
Cmon guys. Really?
>>72529249
Pytor I was cooler.
>>72528472
>You can say that about every single country that tried to be communistic.
Yes you can. And you are right
> It is impossible to maintain a communistic country
I aggre with you.
>but various iterations of communism sure did try and fail.
like?
> Also, I sincerely hope that you are national-socialist and use that retarded trip to trigger people.
You are absolutely right. American cuckservative rage is escpecially delicious
>>72520123
inadvertently supporting communism here, but we overproduce and under produce things all the time.
You should have aimed your argument more at the problem where the government gauges and decides how much of a good people need instead of the market. Of course you could argue both sides are ineffective and suffer certain inefficiencies but at least you'd have a point instead of being totally irrelevant.
>>72529143
Same story over here! The guy is a motherfucking lyrical worksmith.
>>72529216
The absence of a state requires the absence of classes. Only a strong centralized Socialist state will get you there
>>72529500
True. But strong socialist states are not communistic. That SU was socialistic, there is no denying. But that it was communist is a dishonest lie
>>72529500
Socialism is the transition to communism according to Lenin at least. Than again he never implemented true communism
>>72529672
>>72529920
>Implying anyone living in any communist state would tell you that they are or were living in communism and not building it with socialism.
>We like communism so long as it remains as some lofty goal oh and also we don't doing anything to actually get us there
>>72529920
>true communism
>>72530340
True communism would be the collective without state, a classless moneyless society implementing anarcho syndicalism or some other bullshit that doesn't work.
The enduring popularity of communism is based on the fact that communism as a historical phenomenom has been nothing more than rule by intellectuals. And since intellectuals are one of the most powerful castes in modern society, of course they will be fond of a political and economical system that gave people like them power.
That's the stuff that becomes clear when you study the history of communism. It's not the working class that drives communist movements, not the peasantry. It's disgruntled, frustrated intellectuals who want an economy based on central planning and complete regulation of every aspect of society because in such a system they would be the planners and the regulators. That's why support for communism will never die either for as long as the intelligentsia has cultural power.
>>72530289
You make an interesting point. Another problem was that by making the state absolute, by letting it penetrate every aspect of a citizens life it made every act that went against the state's template an act of political dissent. It could not control peoples behaviour. The state became cumbersome and unable to adapt to what people needed. Of course there were external threats but Eastern European communism was overthrown internally.
>>72530813
>I'm scared of society being run by smart people
>>72530676
>that doesn't work
I hate that argument. "Communism doesn't work, that's why we must oppose it". It basically gives to communists the moral legitimacy, it portrays them as "dreamers" who just want a better world. No, communism would be morally unjustified even if it worked, specially if it worked, because communism is evil.
The desire of remodeling the whole society, if not human nature in general, through political action is evil and should be recognized as such, in whatever form it takes.
>>72531144
i will literally fight you in the streets
>>72531144
bitch
>>72531144
Good reasoning I'll refrain from using that statment, and I agree that the political powers trying to control people is subjectively "evil".
>>72531144
you're a little bitch
Greed and selfishness is human nature. Capitalism allows humans to use their human nature to be more productive and advance technological development. Communism goes against human nature by denying man's selfishness, which is why it doesn't work.
>>72531231
>>72531400
Nice Ad hominem faggot, at least try and preserve the discussion and integrity if this quality thread please.
>>72531521
there is no human nature.
>>72531545
You deserve it bitch.
>>72531031
Smart people make terrible rulers because they are more interested in creating bloated bureaucracies that employ other smart people than in actually arranging a functioning government, which is something that doesn't require much intelligence actually.
>>72519918
>>72520060
They are usually unemployed or working some shit tier job. Of course they like the idea of communism because they are the ones who stand to gain the most out of it.
>Blame capitalism for its crony iteration
And that's why you never take these fucks seriously. Tell them that their economic system is the weaker system if the superior capitalist system can so easily subjugate it. Their system simply fucking sucks, but low and behold there will always be idiots insisting they can make it work. It's like a free energy machine, would it be nice to have? Of course, but is it possible? Fuck, no. However, that won't stop retards from trying.
>>72519918
>parents and grandparents left communist Cuba in the 60s and early 70s
>having casual conversation with some people at my university and mention my story
>They think I'm the bad guy and not the communists when I told them I'm a republican
>>72531521
Saying that makes it sounds like communism is a more advanced society and that it's more morally right than capitalism, communism can be argued to be more primitive, early families of cavemen pretty much practiced a small and shitty version of communism to survive, the whole natural man argument never really makes a nice and sound point imo
>>72531762
>I'm a stupid idiot and i'd like to remain that way.
>It's part of my national identity to be a retard.
>>72531858
>Saying that makes it sounds like communism is a more advanced society and that it's more morally right than capitalism
Guess what?
>>72532124
>>72530813
>has been nothing more than rule by intellectuals
Huh.... never thought of it this way desu.
I always thought the appeal of communism came from, "guys i can run society so much better and more morally right! xD xD". Or some other edgy inferiority complex shit.
>>72532164
The appeal to communism is the parasitic desire for the have nots (lower class) to take from the haves (middle and upper class).
That desire is usually pounced upon by opportunists who then create single party totalitarian dictatorships where everyone is equally poor except the chosen few elite
>>72532124
>i will invent a supposedly better future inside my head and base my entire politics on it
That's something that goes besides mere politics and borders on psychiatric disorders. To justify your political positions on a future that never existed, ignoring the shitty present that your comrades brought.
People who refuse themselves to be accountable to anything except a hypothetical future of their own invention should not be accepted interlocutors in the arena of politics, but patients in psychiatric wards of hospitals.
>>72532404
>I refuse to respond to social problems with my brain, i would much rather the ruling class do that for me.
>In fact, i refuse to use my brain at all. I'm just a bunch of reflexes.
>I'm just a machine that operates other machines.
>>72530813
They always seem to be lazy intellectuals or deluded intellectuals
>>72532945
>>72533012
Unlike you, who is just lazy and deluded without any pretense of intelligence
>>72533012
Communist agitation always follow a massive expansion of the education system. Because not all people educated in a university can find meaningful work, they instead look for alternatives in radical politics, which they hope would create a massive buraucracy that would employ them.
>The explosive component in the contemporary scene is not the clamor of the masses but the self-righteous claims of a multitude of graduates from schools and universities. This army of scribes is clamoring for a society in which planning, regulation, and supervision are paramount and the prerogative of the educated. They hanker for the scribe's golden age, for a return to something like the scribe-dominated societies of ancient Egypt, China, and Europe of the Middle Ages. There is little doubt that the present trend in the new and renovated countries toward social regimentation stems partly from the need to create adequate employment for a large number of scribes. And since the tempo of the production of the literate is continually increasing, the prospect is of ever-swelling bureaucracies.
Eric Hoffer, The Ordeal of Change
>>72533784
Another good quote from the same book.
>It has been often stated that a social order is likely to be stable so long as it gives scope to talent. Actually, it is the ability to give scope to the untalented that is most vital in maintaining social stability. For not only are the untalented more numerous but, since they cannot transmute their grievances into a creative effort, their disaffection will be more pronounced and explosive. Thus the most troublesome problem which confronts social engineering is how to provide for the untalented and, what is equally important, how to provide against them. For there is a tendency in the untalented to divert their energies from their own development into the management, manipulation, and probably frustration of others. They want to police, instruct, guide, and meddle. In an adequate social order, the untalented should be able to acquire a sense of usefulness and of growth without interfering with the development of talent around them. This requires, first, an abundance of opportunities for purposeful action and self advancement. Secondly, a wide diffusion of technical and social skills so that people will be able to work and manage their affairs with a minimum of tutelage. The scribe mentality is best neutralized by canalizing energies into purposeful and useful pursuits, and by raising the cultural level of the whole population so as to blur the dividing line between the educated and the uneducated. If such an arrangement lacks provisions for the encouragement of the talented it yet has the merit of not interfering with them.
I think these insights explain most of the appeal of communism among the intelligentsia.
>>72532155
that creature is disgusting.
>>72533876
what book?
>>72534524
The Ordeal of Change, by Eric Hoffer.
>>72533012
They aren't intellectuals. At all. They are megalomanous people that want to control the lives of others, according to their own specific ideals.
i hate people that read and seek to apply what they've read to the real world
it's actually the people that read and write that are the dumbest. My name is Eric Hoffer and i'm a big dumb faggot liberal
>>72535584
Does Marx apply to that list?
>>72535047
they are actually people who have ideals. unlike you who has no soul and just does what your boss tells you to.
>>72536647
#ResistCapitalism
>posted via iPhone
>>72536647
>no soul
>the soul being an individual thing
>from a collectivist
Just leave people alone faggot.
>>72519918
> Marx has identified some crucial underpinning issues concerning capitalism,but has not provided any remedy/surrogate system to take its place.
Marx himself said that. He said in a letter, "Who do they think I am, August Comte? That I should write recipes for the kitchens of the future?"
> tries to meddle in economy and fails spectacularly
This is the biggest bullshit. Under Stalin the USSR did very well. While the US and western Europe were mired in the Depression, Stalin was building out Magnitogorsk and other cities.
Also look at how China has become the second largest (by some measures, the largest) economy in the world under the leadership of the communist party. Of course the party shifted right, it would be impossible for them to be further left as the communist movement worldwide has retreated since the 1980s.
> communism is controlled opposition
This is a far left delusion (or far right delusion). The fact is that communism has been the only real opposition to capitalism that we have seen in the past century and a half. In some sense you can say it has similarities to the existing power structure and thus is "controlled" to some extent - but every other challenge to capitalism has either been even closer to capitalism, or castles in the air attempts that amounted to nothing (the anarchists in Spain etc.)
Also another thing. The world has seen five major economic systems since man first drew paintings on cave walls. Primitive communism, slavery, feudalism, capitalism - and since the Paris Commune - forms of socialism/communism. As some on the far right mention, even capitalist countries unlike Norway, Finland etc. have so much social-democratic creep (Obamacare etc.) that they are headed to full social democracy, which in the mind of the social democrat would mean socialism.
Capitalism will be replaced, just like the other economic systems were.
