>no proof there is no God
>no proof Jesus didn't rise from the dead
>but then atheists turn around and apply empiricism to nonempirical questions
>claim that only empiricism matters, as if that in itself isn't a nonempirical statement
>being this intellectually lazy
Atheistfags will get triggered by this and go into damage control mode.
Really makes you think
>>81601452
Bump because that strawpoll the other day showed majority atheists on this board. That is beyond fucked and just wrong
>>81601452
>trying to shift burden of proof to atheists
2/10
>>81601452
>>81602164
same fagging this hard because you have no idea what burden of proof is
saged for shitty bait
can you prove that invisible unicorns don't exist? i guess they must exist them, right?
>Christians believe this shit happened
L E L
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The burden of proof is on you though, and you also dont have any
>>81602769
see
>>81602284
>>81602287
>>81602454
atheism isn't a belief it is a lack of a belief
>>81601452
Hey the day Jesus wants to get in touch with me I will be all ears. But we havent heard from him in 2,000 years. And that's after he told people he would be back before their generation passed away.
>>81601452
>No proof God exists
>No proof God doesn't exists
That's why I'm agnostic
Burden of proof. That's all.
>>81601452
>>no proof there is a God
>>no proof Jesus did rise from the dead
>>but then religrious turn around and don't apply empiricism to empirical questions
>>claim that empiricism doesn't matters, as if that in itself isn't a empirical statement
>>being this intellectually lazy
Religiousfags will get triggered by this and go into damage control mode.
Really makes you think
See? I can do it too!
>>81602625
Where are the niggers?
>>81603163
>No proof fairies exist
>No proof fairies don't exist.
>No proof any of the other gods exist.
>No proof any of the other gods doesn't exist.
That's why i can't decide on anything. Froganon, please.
>>81601452
That's why you're agnostic instead newfag.
>>81601452
the one making the positive statement
>"X exists"
has to prove it, not the other way around you dumb Burger
I can claim that theres a unicorn on Jupiter that is controlling the universe, but that does not mean that people need to prove that there isnt to be right
>>81602164
>Bump because that strawpoll the other day showed majority atheists on this board.
Do you still have that one?
>>81602937
lack of belief is nihilism
atheism is belief in the nonexistence of god
>>81601452
why couldn't your retarded threads stay on /b/?
>>81601452
inb4 every dumb flat earther, evolution denier, bullshitter congergates to this thread
>>81601452
> posting a list of opinions you think are "facts"
> These can't be proven, while they also can not be disproved
> That makes them opinions
Please, tell me more of your facts.
>>81604072
>the one making the positive statement has to prove it
but that's a retarded early 20th century meme (logical positivism/verificationism), not some unalienable rule of logic. it's just employed (circularly) as a soft form of repudiation against things that would go against the materialist worldview.
>>81604312
>lack of belief is nihilism
Yeah, and?
>>81601452
im a Misotheist
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>>81605118
>but that's a retarded early 20th century meme
thats logic kid, you dont get to go against it
>>81605912
>that's logic
prove this claim, hell, prove any claim at all whatsoever.
>>81606701
>claim that logic real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
there you have it, 2 seconds on google and theres already evidence for something. Amazing!
now back to /b/ and reddit with you
>>81601452
Oldest bible in existence has no rise from the dead section. It was fantastic added after the events and fags tried to one up each other in how awesome there slave god was.
>>81607132
you misunderstood what i was asking, you said implicitly that logical positivism/verificationism is logic itself.
whatever though, here's what i want to express:
premises doesn't need to be 'proven' in order for an argument to be sound.
they just need to be more plausible than their negation.
a valid and sound argument is evidence.
there are a ton of valid and sound arguments for the existence of god.
but they are handwaved because nu-atheists hold to logical positivism/verificationism and metaphysical naturalism. begging the question.
>>81601452
Back to /b faggot. Quit shitposting this crap thread on pol
>american/christcuck """"""""""""""""""thinking""""""""""""""""""
>>81601452
>no proof there is no Pikachu
>no proof Mickey Mouse didn't rise from the dead
Hurr durr I'm retarded
>>81607726
>premises doesn't need to be 'proven' in order for an argument to be sound.
true
>they just need to be more plausible than their negation.
and they arent. Yours arent. 6000 years of recorded human history and 0 evidence for the hundreds of thousands of Gods/Goddesses. Its a moot point at this time; not plausible
>a valid and sound argument is evidence.
no its not
>there are a ton of valid and sound arguments for the existence of god.
no there arent. unless you want to present them. Which you havent
>but they are handwaved because nu-atheists hold to logical positivism/verificationism and metaphysical naturalism.
cause burden of proof is on you, not us
>burgerclap education
>>81601452
there are logical paradoxes in jewyism,islam and christianity
for example if jesus had risen from the dead why are there any jews still around? wouldnt they have all converted to christianity?
and why didnt jesus free the jews from rome? moses frees the jews from egypt. you telling me that gods best friend a human is more powerful than gods first born son?
shit just doesnt add up
>>81608354
>present them
alright here you go.
p1: whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence (PSR, ex nihilo nihil fit)
p2: the universe began to exist (incoherence of an infinite regression of events, impossibility of an actual infinite)
c1: therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence.
p3: the cause is either impersonal or personal (law of excluded middle)
p4: the cause of the universe is not impersonal (impersonal causes cannot alone elect to change one state of affairs to a different state of affairs)
c2: therefore, the cause of the universe is personal
characteristics of the cause:
• personal (c2)
• timeless (existed causally 'before' time)
• spaceless (existed causally 'before' space)
• unimaginably powerful (created the entire universe)
I'm OP btw I forgot my pic from last weeks silent retreat to the forest.
>>81601452
>no proof there is no God
The positive claim is the one that needs to be backed up by evidence so you must prove there actually is a god.
>no proof Jesus didn't rise from the dead
There is no proof that he actually existed either so take that off the table.
>but then atheists turn around and apply empiricism to nonempirical questions
So just because we don't add magic to our understanding of the universe we cannot know the universe?
>Atheistfags will get triggered by this and go into damage control mode.
I really don't give that much of a shit believe in whatever sky magic you want just don't shitpost on the board with it.
>>81604312
>I can't differentiate between agnostic and gnostic atheism
seriously goy?
>>81608665
>p1: whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence
>p2: the universe began to exist
The universe has been around forever.
>>81608665
>p1: whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence (PSR, ex nihilo nihil fit)
and first point falls apart by itself
Lemme guess you think the big bang happened from nothing? ehhhh wrongo, before the big bang all the energy/matter that is now the universe was highly condensed. But not nothing. No beginning, and no end in sight. No God needed
>>81601452
MFW OP thinks existence can be a predicate...
>>81608895
>Trying to argue with incomplete fragments instead of the argument as a whole
Nice. Your chopped up counterarguments actually proved his point too.
>im so fucked in the ass by cultural subversion that everything must be a -ism
t. all of you
>>81609122
in the parentheses you've excluded i gave backing reasoning for the premiss
>>81609157
the argument is for the efficient cause, not the material cause.
an efficient cause is what brings an effect into being, what produces an effect into existence. while a material cause is the 'stuff' out of which things are made.
for example: michaelangelo was the efficient cause of the statue david, and the material cause of david was the block of marble that michaelangelo sculpted it out of.
>>81609122
citation needed
>>81603508
Right next to the squirrels.
Atheists are like dumb-ass dark age Christians who didn't believe in bacteria until someone invented a microscope.
>>81601452
Why do you think that we only think empiricism matters. Mathematics and other analytic propositions can be proved through deductive logic.
The rest well ya... We need empiricism.
Got a sound argument for God to exists without a single synthetic proposition? If so then show it.
>>81609157
>before the big bang all the energy/matter that is now the universe was highly condensed
What created this ball of energy/matter?
>>81609611
>in the parentheses you've excluded i gave backing reasoning for the premiss
All you said was that it's impossible.
Why should it be impossible? It's the same premise you presume about your god.
>>81609537
Only a complete fedora fag would even give a shit about the fragments of the arguing style rather then the substance of the argument.
>>81609918
Sounds to me like you're presuming shit too, saying a timeline doesn't have a beginning.
>>81609616
1st law of thermodynamics.
>>81601452
Burden of proof is on you.
>>81609487
Are you telling me that it Kant be?
>>81609863
Yeah because anachronism is such a great way to view history. Those dumb Romans. They didn't even have antibiotics. How could Aristotle not believe in relative motion. What a dumb ass.
>>81602164
probably just proxies and botfaggotry
>>81609909
>you: HURRRRRRRRRR
theres your response
>>81609611
and as stated the universe always was, there is no efficient cause for it
>>81601452
Atheism just means you don't believe in God, it doesn't mean that you know for a fact that God doesn't exist.
But even if God existed I would not worship him, because if he is truly good he wouldn't want me to waste my time praising him.
>>81610047
Alright then, let's talk about the substance. OP says people like you claim everything needs to be empirical, and never back this assumption up. You did that.
>>81609909
nothing, it existed. The most predominant theory out there is that the universe is in flux. Were in the expanding part right now, some time in the future it will begin to condense again, and repeat.
>>81610143
>Extrapolations
Ok, thanks. I won't argue anymore.
>>81601452
"Atheism" is basically an industry, sells books and documentaries
John Green for Smart Teens
there's no proof of anything. atheists selectively apply their skepticism and deny the reality of God. then they just believe in what they find emotionally satisfying.
example: they believe other people are real and theirs is not the only consciousness so they don't feel lonely, even though there is no way whatsoever to even ascribe a probability to it.
virtually anything you can question has the same level of uncertainty.
atheists are cowardly faggots. take your skeptical spirit and take it as far as it will go. when you come to the abyss, leap naked into it. God will be there to catch you.
>>81610122
Why do you presume it's a line?
>>81610547
Thanks. This is a board about news, politics and current events anyway, that shit should go to /his/ or /x/
>>81610339
>and as stated the universe always was, no efficient cause
>before the big bang all the energy/matter that is now the universe was highly condensed.
pick one.
trolls trolling trolls
>>81610825
pick both, cause evidence points to it.
>>81601452
Go back to /b/ you god damned wothless cock sucking faggot.
>>81601452
Seems like you're the triggered one, friendo
>>81610707
>"Atheism" is basically an industry, sells books and documentaries
So is any other religion, what's your point?
>>81610980
so there was just a singularity of matter that exploded for no reason? (you said no efficient cause.)
who believes in magic now, leaf?
>>81610779
I think I should tell you that I'm the same person.
Alright there are 4 possible outcomes of our life
1. God doesn't exist and you believe in him. Congrats you wasted time going to church.
2.God doesn't exist and you don't worship him. Alright no wasted time at church.
3. God exists and you worship him and are granted eternal life and happiness in heaven
4. God exists and you don't worship him and are sent to hell.
Seems there's a lot to gain from worshiping him and not a whole lot to gain by not; really just some saved time.
>>81601452
Got sick a week ago. Stomach pain was so painful I almost prayed to god to help me. Was going for 9 hours. Took all my willpower to tell him to fuck off and that he does not exist. Damn, that was close.
>>81609918
here is a good thought experiment to help you understand:
https://nrich.maths.org/5788
>>81601452
>No proof that something doesnt exist
Yawn. Ever got through the sticky at the top by any chance?
>>81611162
Virtual particles, radioactive elements radiating out alpha waves, those things happen for no reason as well.
Since it's possible with those why wouldn't there be a naturalistic cause for that singularity of matter to explode?
>>81611683
Now THAT'S insecurity. You're seriously that concerned about feeling right for the sake of feeling right?
>>81611545
Pascal's Wager. The problem with that is there's an option 5. It's in Jeremiah 17:10:
http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/17-10.htm
So, don't bother with Church, keep your thoughts and actions upstanding and just, and you still come out OK in the end.
>>81601452
>there is no proof you're not a kike
OP BTFO
>>81601452
>no proof Thor doesn't exist
>this means Thor must exist
This is how retarded you sound.
>>81611545
Which god?
>>81601452
>no proof there is no...
>no proof there is no...
>no proof there is no...
Not sure you understand how logic works.
>>81601452
>evidential base for atheism
There is no rational reason to believe in a God at this time which is evidence that you should not hold a belief in a God if you wish only to hold rational beliefs.
>>81611545
Time is all we have, Cucko.
>>81611545
What if you worship the wrong god and get sent to hell or an equivalent anyway?
What if the way of worshiping god is flawed and you get sent to hell anyway?
What if you live as a good person and get sent to heaven/good afterlife even if you didn't worshiped that god?
>>81602454
oh man, the sexual frustration
>>81611162
>flux
aside you fell for your own b8
>>81602625
Science can prove there were fewer species of animals back when this happened, so basically its entirely possible.
Checkmate Atheists
>this guy still posts
I thought this bait got old.
>>81611967
He didn't SAY God must exist, he said you have no proof he doesn't. And you don't have proof God doesn't exist, you're just applying skepticism where you want to.
I have been an Atheist for like 5 years now.
I'm deciding about going back to being religious, because I think the way society is going is proof that the Bible is divinely inspired.
The more people separate from the core values of Christianity, the more you see degeneracy. Revelations is being fulfilled.
>>81601452
daily reminder that the child like princess is an Iranian jew.
>>81610395
>But even if God existed I would not worship him, because if he is truly good he wouldn't want me to waste my time praising him.
Why do you think you would understand God's plan?
An all powerful being won't look at the universe the same as you.
Your time on Earth was given to you by Him, supposing that God is real, so why is it not possible to spare some time to acknowledge and praise your creator?
>>81612314
>I think the way society is going is proof that the Bible is divinely inspired.
Nope, predicting that men indulge in degeneracy when embracing nihilism is just common sense.
>>81601452
No proof jesus even died.
They didnt crucify people that way either (on a cross, or nails through hands). They put you on a post and arms were stretched vertical.
Spanks of a mock execution to symbolize stripping someone of their (social) authority. People got pissed at what he was saying so they got the romans to put the slap down. But couldnt let people turn into martyrs for him dying and let the place burn down.
So mock execution, shaming. Trying to destroy his following but not turn them rabid.
Also jesus saying "I am the way" is mistranslated meaning while the words are correct. By saying he was the way, he was referring to doing things the way he does them.
And most of those secrets... about the I AM force, and the Christ Power which he used... were pretty much lost after the Bible was created and the spirituality handed down through generations was replaced by a seedy religion.
Lose magical powers, get replaced by nothing more than "hope".
#Hopium
>>81611886
If I prayed it would feel like i'm starting to loose my mind to the pain. It'd be like both my flesh and spirit are being destroyed, not just flesh. Scary thought.
>>81612181
So i suppose the better question is why does god hate dinosaurs?
>>81612075
>>81611985
Honestly if you're asking me I think that if there is a god, or multiple gods that if you truly believed what you worshiped and believed you were doing the right thing he'd/they'd let you into heaven.
>>81612075
>What if you worship the wrong god and get sent to hell or an equivalent anyway?
The he's a bad god. Thus not omniscient thus not god
>What if the way of worshiping god is flawed and you get sent to hell anyway?
God's fault, thus not omniscient thus not god
>
What if you live as a good person and get sent to heaven/good afterlife even if you didn't worshiped that god?
That's a real god
>>81612583
Sounds to me like you're just jerking yourself off.
>>81611857
>Virtual particles
no, virtual particles are caused by the microstructure of the quantum vacuum, which is a sea of continually forming and dissolving particles that borrow energy from the vacuum for their brief existence.
a quantum vacuum is thus far from nothing (non-being.) because:
p1: non-being does not possess any attributes, powers, or qualities.
p2: being able to Cause something entails Being and is itself a power.
p3: being is the same as the negation of Non-Being.
c: therefore, cause implies being and the negation of non-being (that is, if something is caused, it must be caused by being).
regardless i'm not defending the KCA from the physics angle, my backing for p1 and p2 are the impossibility of an actual infinite and the principle of sufficient reason/causality
>>81612557
Fair. But at the end of the day I'd rather live an average, good life then the fucking depraved den of hedonism that is the modern world.
>>81612181
How were there fewer species if evolution isn't a thing?
>>81612702
The dead cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, no matter how well intentioned they are.
>>81601452
this is a malformed question
Atheism and religion arent mutually dependent on eauch other
You can believe in a god without being religion, which is gnosticism
I think everyone is gnostic because everyone believes there is a universe and universe IS a higher power, well depents on how you define god tough, if you define it as just a higher power than humans then yes, everyone is gnostic
>>81601452
There's no proof that there's no proof
>>81605215
kek
>>81612029
Nothing produced something that exploded into everything.
That's your logic.
>>81612292
I'm skeptical of anything I don't see with my own two eyes, like any functioning human should be.
>>81612559
Spear through the heart, blood and water came out separately, wrapped and embalmed after professional execution squad was convinced He was dead.
>>81612877
>this might sound fedora
But you don't need a religion, just a ethical character.
The lack of intellect is more often than not the cause of hedonism and shallow living.
OP might be a faggot, but he doesn't look like a dumb faggot
You neither.
>He believes in a religion
>He's a shit
>He's an atheist
>Still a shit
Religion or god doesn't make you a good person or a happy person, but neither does atheism and anti-theism, it's your own character
>>81612702
Gods like Allah are pretty clear about you having to be a muslim though, so what if it's him and not that one of yours?
>>81601452
>Being this much of an edgy teenager
Grow up kid, religion is personal and what others believe none of your business.
>>81601452
You are the one who claims something exists so burden of proof is on you fucktard.
Why are people still bothering to argue against or on behalf of the OP? He certainly never said anything after starting this shit thread.
Why are you all making him win? Do we now reward laziness and the most basic forms of trolling? At least encourage the quality trolls. Not this shit.
>>81601452
>2016
>Not tumbling down the simulation theory rabbit hole
Kike religion really does a number on the brain.
>>81607726
>there are a ton of valid and sound arguments for the existence of god.
There are none. A hypothesis that can only have gods as an explanation has not been worded correctly.
>but they are handwaved because nu-atheists hold to logical positivism/verificationism and metaphysical naturalism. begging the question.
All the previous ancient gods of the past are all fabrications and lies.
To wit: The current religionists also don't believe in the fabricated ancient gods of the past. They validate this view with their own rejection of other ancient god/gods.
It is a somewhat rear-view-mirror approach, but it is safe to reasonably surmise that present and future manufactured gods will predictably be mental fabrications, too.
>>81601452
go back to /b/
>>81601452
I have a theory that Jews invented and supported the growth of Christianity as a way to control non jewish people. That way anyone could read the bible and be religious but they could then argue that goyim can't be Jews.
>>81601452
>NO PROOF BATMAN DOESN'T EXIST
>PRAISE BATMAN
>>81612990
God made more... What are you, retarded?
>>81601452
Without empiricism, you have no means to distinguish between reality and fantasy. You can only guess at which of infinite possibilities might be real. And that gives you a chance of being correct that approaches zero as the number of possibilities goes to infinity.
>>81608665
>p4: the cause of the universe is not impersonal (impersonal causes cannot alone elect to change one state of affairs to a different state of affairs)
Why does it need to be a conscious decision?
>>81614409
>There are none.
here's one, prove me wrong.
--------------->
>>81608665
>>81615008
this is the only way which to explain how you have the origin of a temporal effect with a beginning (universe) with a cause which exists timelessly and eternally.
if the cause were an impersonal set of necessary and sufficient conditions, then the cause could never exist without its effect.
if the cause were timelessly present, then its effect would be timelessly present as well.
the only way for the cause to be timeless and for the effect to begin to exist in time is for the cause to be a personal agent who freely chooses to create an effect in time without any prior determining conditions.
and thus we are brought not merely to a transcendent cause of the universe, but to its personal creator.
/pol/ may itself not be satire but this whole "Atheism is blue pilled" absolutely is
>/pol/ is so contrarian that they roleplay as Christians
>/pol/ is so contarian that they pretend to believe in God
>>81601452
>Expecting me to prove a negative
Come on man.
>>81615339
>person 1: there are no visible crows in this box (negative)
>person 2: PROVE IT!
>person 1 opens the box and shows person 2
"you can't prove a negative" is just a meme
>>81612635
He delights in them. They're not all extinct.
>>81612877
There are many things that seem right to a man, but they all end in death.
>>81615521
Prove to me that God is real. GO!
>>81613269
Functioning humans have the ability to believe things they have not seen.
You are living as an animal.
>>81615734
here you go
--------------->
>>81615009
>>81615521
Okay then. Open the box that has God in it. Go ahead. I am waiting.
>>81613648
YHWH and Ba'al had it out on Mt. Carmel about, what, 2700 years ago? End result was Elijah cutting the throats of 450 Ba'al priests.
allah is Ba'al; the Jews and the Arabs do not worship the same god.
>>81602164
/pol/ is a Christian board
The influx of newfags, redditors and shills try to say otherwise
The various strawpolls /pol/ has taken
http://www.strawpoll.me/6507650/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/6294204/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/5932986/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/5709496/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/6294204/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/2834214/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/5932986/r
>>81615131
>if the cause were timelessly present, then its effect would be timelessly present as well.
And?, what if it is?
>>81615521
make it invisible undetectable crows like your invisible undetectable god
your argument falls apart
aw shiet ur a meme
>>81614409
There's God's, actually, which states that the universe is proof enough so that you stand without excuse before Him as the Creator.
>>81615336
>I'm so scared of real spirituality that I have to project my disbelief in God onto other people and make it seem like they're joking
A FUCKING LEAF
>>81614586
They did so long as "christians" like James were teaching people to follow the Law of Moses. New Covenant preachers tended to get murdered.
>>81614916
Revealed knowledge from God is far superior to empiricism.
>>81616021
leaf hehe. Why would I be scared of spirituality? Seems more comfortable that a big man in the sky is like my omnipotent dad then the alternative.
>>81601452
>tiny invisible unicorns live inside my anus and you can't prove me wrong
>>81616263
He is if and only if you allow Him to be your adoptive father; to presume you already are is to fail life's one test.
>>81616263
>not an argument
>>81616021
Scared of "real spirituality"? What is there to fear? In other words: what the fuck are you on about?
>>81616159
God reveals knowledge to you? Now that's interesting. Please, tell us more about it.
>>81616444
What do you think the entire word of God (aka the bible) is?
>>81614741
LOVE IT
>>81608986
>we have keep making up new terms for our illogical position
Now post the atheist chart with all your funny ways of describing yourself
>>81616350
So I'll be his wives son?
>>81616528
A text written by individuals with agendas a VERY long time ago, translated by people with their own agendas?
Why would God contradict himself so much if he is so perfect?
>>81601452
wtf I hate gifs now
>>81616651
It's a little more complicated than that, but you'll be brother/sister to Jesus, joint heir, and a part of the Body of Christ known as the Bride of Christ.
>>81616669
66 books written by 40 men all filled with and inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, telling the future as though it were the past, yes.
>>81615971
>shifting the goalposts
i was just showing you that "you can't prove a negative" is bologna
>>81615893
apply the scientific method to it:
hypothesis: the God as described in Christianity exists
step 1: believe in Jesus Christ
step 2: die
step 3: report findings for peer review
>>81615941
someone with knowledge of programming could give you a cool metaphor.
>>81616973
>>81617102
How old is the universe?
>>81617102
>step 3: report findings for peer review
This is actually contrary to scripture; if a person does not believe Moses, the prophets, Jesus, or the apostles, he also will not believe someone coming back from the dead with a report.
This is not a debate about evidence, but about spiritual sickness and death.
>>81610707
>"Atheism" is basically an industry, sells books and documentaries
Like Middle East religions did for the bible? Projecting.
>>81617320
I'm a YEC, if that's what you're driving at.
>>81617353
So are you condemning both?
>>81616973
>none of it is actually true
>some tell riveting stories of how the entire world flooded and all the animals in the world got on some fucking boat and rode it out.
>others tell contradictory stories of one another
>its basically "He said he heard him say" the book
>>81617403
>I'm a YEC
>I'm a retard
ftfy
>>81616528
A collection of Bronze and early Iron age fictions and parables nothing more.
>>81617320
~13 billion years
>>81617403
So like 5000-10,000 years?
>>81617490
I suppose you'd also condemn the industry of religious texts and documentaries that are sold industriously
>>81601452
Daily reminder that most Atheists are infants
>>81617518
It's all true.
>>81601452
I'm blown away that this ridiculous thread has over 170 replies. And sure... I just added one. But damn, it's a template shitpost from /b!
Come on now..
Christfags are no different than mudslimes. They want to control your life. Christians are more subtle about it because they've grown up in countries where the rule of law is separate from the church.
Don't think for a second that an extremist Christian wouldn't beat women and murder LGBT people if their religion was the court.
Sad these small brained cunts are incapable of understanding the burden of proof. This thread gets made over and over. Atheism doesn't require evidence. It's not a belief. It's the lack of a belief. Atheists are not making a claim. Religious people are.
OFF is not a television channel.
>>81617772
And churches making mad money off of believers. Religion is a business.
>>81617569
Your judgment is dependent upon something about which you know nothing. I'll stick with Ussher. You can stick with people who think 10 million years of radioactive decay takes 10 million years.
>>81615922
These are all outdated poll and they show you how /pol/ has stopped to be a Christfag board
http://www.strawpoll.me/10536889/r
>>81617620
And yet they're coming true right before your eyes.
>>81617727
I'd say 6050 +/- 50, yes.
>>81617850
>somehow the entire world flooded
>and all of the animals, even the ones that didn't exist anywhere near the boat also got on the boat.
>china wasn't affected somehow and neither was any of the other world civilizations at the time
>>81617897
How new are you? Shitty threads like this always get a lot of replies, you shouldn't be surprised at this point.
>>81617975
>Your judgment is dependent upon something about which you know nothing
I'm a chemist so yes I know fully how radiometric decay works. Obviously you don't and you reject evidence before your eyes because it contradicts what you think
>>81617772
I kind of do, actually. Very little of it is worth publishing, and people should really stick to the inspired text (and not someone's opinion of the inspired text).
Easy way to spot charlatans is by their constant requests for dollars.
>>81601452
“What is your oath ?” – “I vow to you, Adolf Hitler, as Führer and chancellor of the German Reich loyalty and bravery. I vow to you and to the leaders, that you set for me, absolute allegiance, till death. So help me god !”
“So you believe in a god ?” – “Yes, I believe in a supreme being.”
“What do you think about a man who does not believe in a god ?” – “I think he is overbearing, megalomaniac and foolish; he is not adequate for our society.”
You have to be a deist at least.
>>81617837
There's also studies showing that they lack empathy and have a very difficult time conceptualizing God as a person.
Sageing this thread.
WITH NO SURVIVORS.
>>81601452
there's evidence to support the existence of god?
>>81617665
In your opinion, did god exist before the universe existed? Did he always exist? Did the universe always exist? Did he create it?
>>81618059
So what's your thoughts on carbon dating and the stars and galaxies that are millions of light-years away.
>>81617904
You would do well not to conflate Catholics with Christians; when Catholics did have the power to do such things, such things were done regularly, and en masse.
Havent you heard? Pretending to be Christian is old hat now. We pretend to worship Kek now. Get with the times, you need to be up to date on your dank memes.
>>81618068
Everyone was, actually. The oldest known Chinese texts are only about 3500 years old, and even though they mention their dynasties going back 10,000 years, it's generally accepted as hyperbole.
The Chinese have some very interesting pictograms that demonstrate a knowledge of the flood prior to contact with westernized people.
For instance, Boat is Vessel + Eight + Mouths
There were 8 people on the ark.
>>81618352
Yes he did.
Why?
Because we cant even think of how there was nothing before the big bang, thinking about this or about how the universe does not have any borders is impossible to accept for a human mind which means that there must be a supreme mind we may call god.
>>81601452
I don't understand how you can not be agnostic. I don't believe everyone can "believe whatever they want" I think this is right.
Why aren't you agnostic. Imagine that this is something we only empirically experience personally after death. No matter what happens in the history of humanity, we may never know about the afterlife and God until after we die, and we don't really understand death from the 1st person perspective.
Agnosticism, guys.
>>81618309
Atheism is a mental disorder
>>81618584
>it was all fake, anyone they were referencing was merely hyperbole.
>all this archeological evidence is fake too
>>81616646
>"Is it possible to know whether God exists?"
>"Do you believe in God?"
Are you saying these questions don't ask two different things? Please kill yourself.
>>81618158
I suggest you read the RATE group's study about helium diffusion being a far better indicator of time than radioactive decay.
And then read about C14 being found in diamonds.
And Coal beds.
And dinosaur bones being found, not mineralized at all, complete with soft tissue.
>>81614741
Why does everything have to be so elaborate?
Create the cosmos, create the earth. Manipulate matter.
BUT WAIT.
>doesn't teleport the jews to the promised land, makes them part the red sea
>doesn't just click refresh on the earth, makes noah build a fucking boat and all animals in the world migrate
>doesn't just make everyone automatically a christian, makes Christ born, die, come back, then spread the holy gospel himself.
CHRISTFAGS BTFO
>>81618339
>saging an active thread
>announcing sage
>>81618689
Agreed, but so is liberalism in general.
>>81618352
>did god exist before the universe existed?
yes, but causally, not temporally (because He existed before time)
>did he always exist?
yes
>Did the universe always exist?
no
>Did he create it?
yes
>>81618709
The evidence isn't fake; the way the evidence is 'dated' is fake.
>he believes in medieval ghost stories
>>81618873
when did god decide to make the universe
assuming that he does exist of which there is no evidence
Be God
Make inferior creatures
I want these creatures to
>kill each other
>obsess over me
>try to make the world as tolerable and livable as possible
hmm....hmm.....
>>81618755
God did what He did to prove to the world that there was a living God abiding with Israel. When He #rekt Egypt, the world got the message, and trembled.
Same God is coming back, and the same Israel will once more cause the world to tremble.
>>81618868
Amen brother
>>81619088
Can't really talk about a "time" "before" the "beginning of time".
>>81618744
>And then read about C14 being found in diamonds.
Yes I would suppose you'd find carbon in a carbon based structure.
>helium diffusion being a far better indicator
it doesn't dispel radiometric accuracy at all. Radiometric decay is still completely acceptable for measuring the age of said things.
>coal beds
what do coal beds have to do with radiometric dating?
>dinosaur bones being found, not mineralized at all, complete with soft tissue
soft tissue would imply that its still alive and the cells have somehow lived for millions of years. It also assumes the bones are still alive aswell since bone cells are a thing too. None of which is actually possible over millions of years.
Dinosaur genealogy doesn't come close to any age involving humans or pre-humans.
>>81619088
'when' is nonsensical here, before the creation of time.
>assuming that he does exist of which there is no evidence
*dips bedora*
>>81601452
>no real proof there is a god
>I don't care what you guys worship I just can't be arsed do do shit like going to church because I just don't give a shit
>>81618257
Hitler viewed religion as an overall distraction that's why I've never understood the ss oaf, I don't think they're actually referring to the Christian/Catholic God, I don't know who wrote the oaf but if it was Himmler than the oaf could be referring to a Norse god
>>81619088
Just answer what existed before everything existed.
protip: you cant
>>81619275
Ah, I see. You have absolutely zero understanding of carbon dating.
Why didn't you say so?
>>81618873
So did he always exist? Where did he come from?
>>81618960
Carbon 14 dating isn't faked.
>>81618960
>its 3500 years old
>thats not fake
>but anything beyond that is fake.
>somehow animals indigenous to south africa made their way across the earth and ocean to get on a boat because otherwise they'd drown in an ocean
>>81601452
Doesn't fucking matter. I don't care about that whiny bitches.
>>81619376
The Trinity. He's eternal.
>>81619386
>why do we find C14 in a carbon based structure
its carbon, diamond is made of carbon. I fully understand why I'd find different isotopes in different forms of allotropes
>you don't understand
obviously you don't when you hang onto fringe shit like thinking people actually dug up bones that still had live tissue on them
>>81615922
/pol/ is a containment board for retarded people.
>>81619395
>So did he always exist?
>Where did he come from?
hmm. . .
>>81619395
Of course it is. It falls prey to at least four different assumptions, all of which are fatal.
>>81619376
It's very common for people to believe in supernatural beings whenever they find something they can't get an explanation for right away.
>>81619397
Pangea
>>81601452
Can't prove a negative.
The burden of proof is on you, shitposter.
>>81601452
Give me a proof that there isn't a huge invisible giant dildo in your ass OP
>>81619523
Welcome aboard then
>>81619303
>>81619218
lmfao I giggled a bit thanks for the laugh, and no I hate to tell you that while I share your views on culture and conservatism please don't argue about god, you make yourselves look like liberals with your mental gymnastics
>>81619515
It truly is better to remain silent than to prove yourself a fool.
>>81619556
You gonna answer?
>>81619587
What are these four fatal assumptions?
>>81618005
>protestant-189
>Catholic/Orthodox-262
>Christian=451
>atheist-361
>/pol/ is an atheist board
Wut?
>>81619604
Kay so explain it to us in a non supernatural way.
pro tip : you cant
You dont have to be christian or whatever, just deist.
not being a deist is insanity.
>>81619683
Not once did I post my "feelings".
>>81619733
>how did the thing that existed begin to exist?
no, your question is retarded.
>>81619683
This image reminds me, why are Christians today so afraid to kill the Muslim threat these days? That's all Christianity was good for.
>>81619587
Such as?
>>81619587
>assumptions
jesus christ you're projecting if you think a theory's fallibility are LITERALLY fallibility.
You can't use carbon dating on a number of things
carbon dating doesn't work on petrified or mineralized objects, because there isn't carbon in them
you can't use carbon dating on shit beyond 50k years
you can't use carbon dating on shit thats alive.
>>81619630
>>81619709
>I can't rebut so I'll call him a fool
>even though I don't know shit about radiocarbon dating
>>81619791
I'm sure you were brought up being told to believe that, but a lot of people have grown out of it.
>>81608643
But God works in mysterious ways goy
>>81619733
"big bang" effects
starting conditions
universal rate assumed
contamination problems
being under 6000 feet of water for a year
Uniformitarianism is a dead end.
>>81619791
>My assumption that has no evidence to support it is much better than your assumption that has no evidence to support it!
>>81619853
There are no more Christians nowadays
>>81619839
>thing that always existed*
i bungled that
>>81619828
mental gymnastics like ignoring the burden of proof
>>81619630
Then the continents split up in only a couple thousand of years. Entire landmasses don't shift so quickly.
>>81619839
How is that retarded? Where did he come from?
>>81619883
Yes, and there is C14 in diamonds.
Just keep thinking about that for a minute.
>>81620101
The proof of God is the universe that He made.
Have you noticed there is a universe?
>>81620129
if something always existed then it didn't come from anywhere.
>>81619883
That's why we have Iron-60.
>>81620012
thats 5 and 3 of them have nothing to do with it
>universal rate assumed
the rate of decay is logarithmic. We know the half life of so many different isotopes, using that half life we can calculate how long a sample has been decaying.
>>81620129
They do, actually, when the planet has every volcano erupt, every fountain of the deep open up, and the canopy over the planet dumped on it for over a year.
The Flood was not a wet period; it was an ELE.
