do you miss him /pol/?
>i do :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KRwzJsy1o
>>81488751
>do you miss him /pol/?
Of course anon :(
>>81488751
It's annoying when people find the most pretentious way of saying things. It defeats the purpose
I do. Sam Harris filling the void nicely though.
>>81488751
We could use him right now
>>81488751
This quote is merely a dressed up 'yolo'
>>81488939
He was good at formulating his arguments, better than you or I could ever hope for, you gotta admit.
Even as a non-believer (agnostical) I hate most of atheists, they are just feminist's pussy dogs.
But Christopher was another, he was a very clever man and wrote the right things. RIP
>>81489050
>>81488873
>>81488751
t. euphoric egalitarian commies
rest in peace, marxist nu-atheist neo-con.
the other fat guy in the video (lennox) is pretty based though.
>>81489651
he wasn't marxist and he stayed for family values and against abortions, but saved the sober look on the religions.
>>81489471
>lol
>if only i didnt know most jews are actually atheists that hold on to their tradition for muh power of culture, then i would fall for the bait
>>81488950
Good, because his the other horseman has gone full cuck.
>>81490531
He was always a supporter of atheism from a biological viewpoint, Christopher and Sam were/are from a more political and cultural viewpoint.
>>81489791
>he wasn't marxist
>"I am no longer a socialist, but I still am a Marxist" --(((Christopher Hitchens))) 2006
>"I consider myself a very conservative Marxist" --(((Christopher Hitchens))) 2010
what did he mean by this?
>>81490836
I meant Marxism in the shitty SWJ's sense.
Economical marxism is fine. I'm far right, but the free market is when american financial jews are destroying the arabian secular country and the world gets terrorism.
>>81490064
>anon V7MxrM59 is most jews because they are one ebil unit
good high quality meme you got there buddy
>>81488751
Not at all. Why would I miss him?
>>81488751
Yep.
>>81488873
>>81488950
>>81489032
>>81489050
>>81491747
Lotta marxist faggots on /pol/ today.
>>81491351
lol no i dont think all jews are like the power mongering ebin ebil rich leaders you have
>hitler didnt try to kill all of you because you were all rich evil conniving little rats
>because your leaders were and created a nice way of brainwashing almost all your population to the same shit
>he was an idiot himself
You know its true most of you are atheists if youre not retarded sephardics
I've been wondering: How does one end up talking like him?
He uses all of the words which I've probably only used like 4 times in my life, plus quoting some article or book from the last century every other sentence.
>>81491438
I guess you wouldn't, considering you probably are living comfortably in the NCB ( New Caliphate of Britain )
>>81491966
He was a Marxist who became a neocon who supported mass immigration, he also hated tradition. He had nothing of value to give the world.
>>81491952
Dunno, but when you read Critical Theory, you'll find they use a lot of big words that have literally no meaning or context.
I'm pretty sure they're going for the "Because I have no idea wtf I'm talking about I'll use enough fancy jargon to make myself sound smart."
Sadly, it worked on some people >.> .
>>81492064
>i dont agree with him so thats why he contributed nothing to the world
LOL people like you are the first to be sheeply brainwashed into thinking what someone with "power" tells you
>>81492282
Christopher Hitchens was the sort of man that created the problems to begin with, he represents the 1960s revolution and everything wrong with it.
>>81492282
I'm pretty sure he outlined just why he contributed nothing to the world in his post, goy. I know marxists go for this everything subjective nonsense, but in the literal, objective sense, he has contributed zilch to this world.
>>81491894
>hitchens
>marxist
kys
>>81491952
I think he read alot. And kept very informed on current events. Being a writer probably enforced his grasp on the english language.
And probably from a biological standpoint, he had great cognitive ability, and were able to remember details from thinks he had written / seen vividly, which helped him not lose track in his arguments.
His brother Peter is also a pretty good debater, but not as great as Chris.
>>81488751
Every fucking day.
Especially these days when religion of peace rears its turbanned head, and the only person who could do anything about it decided to get tough on fags instead.
>>81492458
you do realize everything he said is bullshit thought less judgement wihtout actually thinking about what was said?
If you even read anything he ever wrote you know what his ideologies were, and none were marxist or neo-con
Hitches might have been an edgy contrarian but at least he put thought into the shit that went through his brain unlike you two
wish he were here for this election cycle
>>81492810
Why did he use @GSpellchecker as his Twitter handle /pol/?
If he was still alive you can be sure that /pol/ would have already memed the shit out of him because his stubbornness would cause him to retain his proggie shit and I didn't see much sign of him changing. He was ultimately a worthy adversary. Also I cried when he died because I loved him so much.
>>81492862
See
>>81489032
That right there, that is the definition of marxism. "Nothing means anything, everything is subjective, and I use a lot of words to say nothing at all."
This hitchens dude, assuming he said that quote, is absolutely a marxist.
His book attacking the first Clinton presidency is fantastic, he'd be tearing Hill apart rn
>>81493143
k you just proved to me you're an ignorant american with no serious knowledge of what marxism is or means.
>lol i dont even care because youre completely irrelevant now
>>81493477
Kek.
Alright buddy,
He literally used two paragraphs to say "I don't like that muslims are now considered a race."
I just said what Hitchens said in 8 words. I am offically a genius now.
>>81491952
He spent nearly all of his time reading old books, admiring P.G Wodehouse and arguing/debating politics and history with the smartest people on the planet.
>>81493143
>That right there, that is the definition of marxism. "Nothing means anything, everything is subjective, and I use a lot of words to say nothing at all."
kys
just kys
Or, you know, go prep your Nicaraguan bull.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_movement
>>81488751
Met his brother Peter, based man
>>81493650
>thinking a religion or ideology can equivalent to the misconception of grouping human patterns of phenotypes into "races"
> doesn't even critically think about the own shit you think
You honestly believe you are an intelligent person regardless of the bullshit you "believe" in.
>LOL
>you think youre any better than a religious nut
>lol
>>81493650
>>81493757
>>81493997
>this is how americans argue
>>81492597
>anti-religion
>anything other than marxist
Stupid fucking potato.
>>81491948
Sure it still doesn't make following an atheist icon ok
He has damaged a good part of a whole generation.
>>81493143
You're conflating Marxism with Postmodernism. Hitchens, though, did write an interesting article called "Marx's Revenge" after the economy was brought to its knees in 2008.
>>81494144
Literally two kids playing the blame game.
>>81494144
Achmed, get out, no one's arguing with you.
Especially not christcucks.
>>81494367
Wasn't postmodernism born out of marxism?
>>81494388
Immediately with this kind of response.
You literally have a black president in your white house. You're the most blacked country on earth.
>>81494296
explain
>>81493298
Actually he'd probably focus on Trump.
>>81494259
>Marx was the first person ever to espouse anti religious views
>>81494575
We also have the most Christian country on Earth.
It was a (((pure coincidence))) that Hitlary gave a speech on BLM at a black Christian convention.
>>81494144
>>81494575
criticise an "argument" (there was no argument he was just spouting dumb shit like you are) simply beacuse of the "origin" of the people in that argument.
Offer nothing to such discussion, then spout a racial insult that was ltierally irrelevant to the point being discussed
>you think you're better than the average retarded american
>wew lad , sad to think sweden does have idiots like americans
>>81494891
>Actually he'd probably focus on Pence
ftfy
>>81494948
>We also have the most Christian country on Earth.
t. John "God Bless Israel" Hagee
>>81488751
I miss him. Too many dumb shills on this board don't remember him well obviously.
I suspect if he had lived he would have finally been reconciled with Peter on the state of the world. Things have gotten that bad.
>>81494948
Niggers for Shillary. Race>religious affiliation at the end of the day. Genetics are everything. Not all blacks are religious, but the vast majority of dindus always vote democrat, the party of gibs.
White christians ain't going for shillary, they're going for Trump.
>>81495153
>he was my first choice from the beginning
>>81495335
>White christians ain't going for shillary, they're going for Trump.
o rly
https://juicyecumenism.com/2016/06/23/when-picking-a-president-does-character-still-count-to-evangelicals/
>>81494922
Marxism and atheism are conflated in the heads of christcucks because being against marxism is literally the only thing they have to support their religion.
Kinda like the fedora meme when you think about it, but used outside of the internet when they have to defend Christianity.
>b-but Stalin and Pol Pot
>>81494624
Hitchens has pursued many, many young influenceable people out of religion, i.e. meaning and an absolute set of morals, into atheism, i.e. a lack of moral structure and a de facto nihilism.
By your posts I assume you are against atheism, but I'll tell you how I see it - I think that atheism in itself is wretched, but even if it wasn't ideologies that lead to nihilism should not be preached to the masses, especially not the young.
He is a cog in a machine of social poison that destructs the west, and a pretty important one seeing how influential he was and still is on many young minds.
So even if Jews are mostly atheistic, those of us who are not get to tell to others that Hitchens is a euphoric egalitarian commie, because he was and he was good at those evils.
>>81495889
Atheism does not lead to nihilism, you fucking cretin.
>>81495335
Also, implying Christians aren't the shallowest voters out there who buy into prodigal son bullshit all the time.
>>81496205
Why are you cursing me did I hit too close to home?
You are barely human mate, your a hedonistic meat robot because you have nothing else, and no amount of weed you smoke or women you fuck will change that
>b-but I'm not a degenerate I'm living a fulfilling moral life, I don't even smoke weed
Good for you snowflake, that's no reason to preach against the literal foundation of western society you cancer
>>81495889
>ideologies that lead to nihilism should not be preached to the masses
The irony of that statement is that theism itself is what inevitably leads to nihilism, otherwise a Christian Europe would've never become secular humanist.
You can only base morality on fiction for so long.
>>81492735
Peter shits on Chris, are you fucking retarded? Debating is about getting your argument across clearly and concisely, peter does that perfectly. Chris was good but he used too much hyperbole and was too smug and self-righteous. He's like Peter but with 25% more arrogance.
>>81496538
>all that projection
wew lad
Japan is mostly atheistic, as is Norway. Why aren't the all killing each other and themselves if they have no morals in those countries?
You're simply wrong, and when you get challenged, you jump straight to projection and ad hominem. What a joke.
>>81496823
Right, the alternative is to base morality on nothing, gotcha
The fact that a society originally founded on religion has eventually, after two world wars and a technological acceleration, has developed such hubris and despair to declare themselves the gods of this earth, or to declare that there is no god at all(same thing), does not mean that Christianity leads to nihilism, it means that the Christian foundation is crumbling after years of abuse and needs reinstatement.
Christianity needs a war against it to make it's societies nihilistic, atheism leads to nihilism by default and quicker.
>>81497226
And you don't have an argument, unlike the brazilian mate, you just said I'm wrong and called me names.
>>81495889
thank you for actually typing that.
Well I see your point, however just like this guy said >>81496205 , atheism isn't a perpetuator of nihilism. Furthermore anyone who has pulled themselves out of dogmatic beliefs and behavior knows that there are truly no "morals" outside of human decision to adhere to such morals.
No I am not against "atheism", I am an atheist.
You associating the "machine of social poison that destructs the west" with postmodern atheist thought is like claiming that the reason Stalin killed all those people was because he was an atheist not because he was an awful human being and yet choose to ignore that most atheists have morality defined by their societal environment.
Yet you "would" also ignore that Hitler was a devout catholic, and not attribute it to his evil and that your own Jewish leaders lack a huge amount of "moral" basis.
There is a massive distinction between saying
>fuck shit up because nothing matters
and
>dont take those fairy tales too seriously to the point that they limit your amazing human life from being as beautiful as it can be because those fictional stories and their dogma hold no basis in reality in other for it to shape your.
>>81497507
dude FUCKING RELIGIOUS MORALITY IS BASED ON NOTHING
>LITERALLY STORIES
>AND RULES
>they tell you this and that
>SEX IS EVIL
>DONT DO THIS AND THAT
>NONE OF IT HAS ACTUAL GROUNDS IN HUMAN REALITY
>>81497507
>CUT OFF THE FORESKIN BECAUSE REASONS
>no actual reason
>doesnt even stop masturbation
????
>JUST DO IT BECAUSE THE BOOK SAYS SO
>>81497507
>mfw I was an atheist for most of my life
>mfw I agree with an israelibro
>>81497730
no, religious morality is based off of gods words, and is gods law. the divine truth that we should obey because it truly offers solution to every aspect and issue of life. the book is a gods manual.
i am of course talking about koran :^)
>>81497975
then you have not given any thought to anything you have ever believed
>>81498048
i know youre just trying to trigger me but
>god never has spoken to anyone ever
>theyre literally stories people take too seriously beacuse others told them to
>if anyone reads that bullshit after being taught to critically think theyll toss it out just like any other fiction
>>81498243
no i was just trying to take a piss at the fact that most jews in this thread are arguing for christianity, not realizing their exact arguments can be easily used to defend islam)
calm down bro, get some teaching from harris, see how incredibely calm and well spoken he is practically all of the time? try being like that
>>81497507
>Right, the alternative is to base morality on nothing, gotcha
I'm not arguing for that though. Morality should be based on biology (i.e. its source), and not fiction. We consider things right or wrong for evolutionary reasons, and those reasons should be further studied so that we can develop sound moral codes.
Christianity in part got many things right, as did other religions throughout the world. But its premise is entirely fictional, so it was inevitable that it would decline one day.
>>81488751
anti-white homosexual Marxist kike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfMm8bV7zEY
He'd be at the forefront of the "muh refugees welcome" crowd. He loved nothing more than shitskin Iraqis, he even thought it was necessary for thousands of white Anglo-Americans to die so that Iraqi shitskins would no longer be slaughtered by Saddam Hussein and could instead begin slaughtering each other
Wish this KIKE would have picked up a weapon himself instead of arguing so forcefully for white blue-eyed American boys to die. I'm glad this Jew is dead.
>>81497507
btw the reason some of your own jewish diaspora are so atheistic is because of their own ability to think about shit like this.
There are reasons why most jews are atheists and yet i bet you wont criticise them like you would hitchens because theyre also jews.
>so many jews have said the same shit.
>>81497584
>>81497730
>>81497932
I do not believe that the majority of society can work within a moral foundation that they set for themselves, which is what atheism causes, because they can change it as they go and they do.
Even if those are fairy tales, why do you think that people always had spirituality and have used this spiritual drive in the last 3000 years to organize the benefit their societies?
That is the most important point, it's not whether there is a base in reality for those moral foundations, it doesn't matter. It is about each society having one absolute standard of what is right or wrong, that cannot be disputed because it is spiritual. Each society through it's evolution decides it's moral foundations, and those foundation are the most healthy for said society.
Today the west has no moral foundation, no standard of right and wrong, no properly functioning social units, no trust between neighbors, not a standard of a family unit, nothing. It has hedonism and that's all it has. And it was caused by atheism, although the true cause of it all, including atheism, is relativism.
As I said I truly don't care if you don't believe in god, or sleep with man, or smoke weed, but when you preach this to a society that is based on Christianity you are hurting it, and then I have a problem with you.
Also relax, there's no need for caps lock and whatnot.
>>81498471
to add to that, it needs to be pointed out that for a certain period of time, koran was truly a well written manual for maintaining a civilization. it offers advices from spiritual, psychological needs to diet, relationship, art and other still-very-relative aspects of our lives
>>81498100
I thought about nothing but the non-existence of god for years, and the pointlessness of religion, the destruction and pain it caused
I decided not too long ago that it was indeed nihilistic, and I didn't like what that worldview did to people, myself included
It may not make sense to you, but it does to me anon
>>81498730
i disagree with you, but let it be said that you seem like a smart guy worth having a conversation with. are you opened to changing your views if proposed a reasonable argument and/or evidence? and by that i mean are you effectivelly trying to not argue with selective thinking?
>>81488751
He was brilliant and even when I disagreed with him he was engaging as hell.
>>81488751
And what did he actually achieve? Muslims are stronger than ever, the destruction of Christianity of Europe just made it stronger and Europe more degenerate. His rhetoric was great, but he was quite childish in a certain sense.
>>81489471
>>81491894
imbeciles of the very highest caliber
>>81498537
The hubris is real brazilbro
You don't know shit about this world, nothing. You don't know why we have religion in the first place, and why so many people live better lives under it, and why this was the base that humans chose as their foundation, and they did. You are dust, dirt, and yet you claim that you know better than all of your ancestors, you throw all they knew away because of your postmodern idea of biological determinism and nothing else.
>>81498576
You think I have sentiment towards Jews? Quite the opposite
>>81492433
>created the problems to begin with,
forgot to include you here:
>>81499257
Actually thinking that any holy book is "the gods word" is retarded. If God actually exists and wishes to communicate with us he would never have done this by talking to goatfuckers...
>>81498471
Read Stephen Coughlin's Catastrophic Failure. Christianity is a radical critique of tribalism (which is the real reason Jews in every age despise and fear it). Islam is Senitic tribalism guaranteed through distributed totalitarianism (a Muslim ruler who disobeys Allah becomes subject to the "democracy" of random ordinary Muslim attackers, whom then become obligated to kill him).
>>81498730
>the true cause of it all, including atheism, is relativism
I've come to believe that god is an anchor that the state cannot replace
>you seem like a smart guy
for you
>>81499341
Oh fuck off Sweden, you of all people should shut the fuck up. You're irreligious and still you've managed to send your country to hell. Those goatfuckers are your future overlords.
>>81499545
>>81499185
>you seem like a smart guy
for you
>>81498730
I understand that from your first point but buddy
>scandanvia
>japan
>some places in israel that just inhabited by jews but dont practice, and are mostly secular (i know there are some ive seen a documentary on how peaceful some of your communities are)
go against your point.
Infact as you know from your holy books that your religion has caused a shitton of confict.
There is a point in which you are 100% correct but 100% wrong in identifying the cause.
The reason that modern society is the way it is is not because secularism but rather in huge acceptance of "corrupt" morals, a lot of which many religions have contributed to as well as xenophobia and the lack of understanding that humans are humans.
Claiming that someone is immoral because they dont believe in what you believe is one of the foundations of religions, which also begets xenophobic prejudice.
Claiming that others doing things that you dont agree with are "degenerate" also beget hate.
In fact, the main reason why society is the way it is because of the "morals" people follow mindlessly without giving it much thought
Modern society and its structure didn't come from religious morals as it would not allow for any kind of acceptance to anything that is different from their own.
>hilariously youre actually proving my point by arguing that others and western society is corrupt only becaus they dont adhere to the bullshit morals and dogma you supposedly adhere to.
Not because of shitty human behavior that has many other causes.
>>81499318
>You are dust, dirt, and yet you claim that you know better than all of your ancestors, you throw all they knew away because of your postmodern idea of biological determinism and nothing else.
Our ancestors, who were also dust, but a less knowledgeable kind of dust?
Don't get me wrong, religion has been important for most of our history and I wouldn't throw away anything those people have accomplished. Yet the knowledge they accumulated is also why we're to reach the realization that their myths aren't real. There's no closing our eyes to that, we killed God because we felt compelled to invent him in the first place.
All that is left now is nature as it is, postmodernism being just another psychological symptom of the death of God.
>>81499185
The way I see it, and this is a broad explanation relativism is the cause of atheism, atheism is the cause of nihilism, and all three are hurting the thing that kept our societies intact, which is absolutism.
Absolutism gives strength to a community, and what really matters for humans, as individuals, is prosperity, and their prosperity is determined by the quality of their community.
What I am arguing for is religion as a social utility. If you can prove to me that the three illnesses I've mentioned benefit things like family unit, trust, security, so on, more than Christianity did, I would of course consider your points.
>>81499545
>god is an anchor that the state cannot replace
Well put
why in the actual fuck is /pol/ so pro-pedo?
degenerate filthy fucking neckbearding faggot pedo losers like yall bring shame on the race, and shame to our cause.
please kill yourself violently.
>>81499889
Moral relativism is absurd, the Greeks saw that long ago, Plato proved it:
"If the way things appear to me, in that way they exist for me, and the way things appears to you, in that way they exist for you, then it appears to me that your whole doctrine is false."
And man made morality goes only up to a certain point, because man is not the creator of his own essence. If you're an atheist, morality itself is useless as shit, as is life itself.
>>81488751
Just standard "whats good for the jews " type of ex trotskyite jew
>>81492186
No, you fucking burger, he was educated at a super fancy rich kid school, that is why he has a broad vocabulary. Your caveman vocabulary is not the standard for the English language.
English people (aside from the total bottom-of-barrel gutter trash) generally have a much broader vocabulary than their North American counterparts. This guy was well-educated and was sent to a fancy school way above his class, so unlike the rich kids who took it for granted, he took it seriously. Furthermore, he was interested in political writing from a young age, so he had an incentive to learn a broad vocabulary.
>>81500197
>no
>atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities
You're an atheist to most gods of the world but chose to ignore that since you have picked the one your relatives told you was right.
You have the ability to understand and think very well yet your own prejudice and adhering to dogma stop you from really lookking at things from the "outside"
ONce again, just like this guy said >>81500028
there is a reason why human knowledge has reached a point to "kill god"
and many of those scientist, philosophers and thinkers were jewish.
Use your intelligence to free yourself from the chain that led some other dogmatic idiot like Hitler hate Judaism the same way you hate atheism.
DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR THINKING IS EQUIVALENT OF HIS?
>>81489050
He'd probably cuck for Islam and focus on more pressing issues like what Christians believed 2100 years ago like the rest of his compadres.
>>81499889
Listen, I think we are too ideologically distant to come to an understanding.
I don't see anything wrong with xenophobia, it's just another tool for identifying threats, and most of the time it's on point. Borders always were, and communities thinking that other communities are degenerate too.
People are not meant to mix, they are social creatures only to a certain extent. We have always lives in tribes, and the definition of a tribe is a social unit separate from other social units.
The Scandinavian countries and Europe in general is not doing too well, and you can google japans suicide rates right now. As for Israel, we are ultra nationalist, so the state is our absolute foundation. That's whatchu call, fascism. Also works, I guess.
If morality is subjective, a social unit has all rights to call other moralities not moral, even if they are not objectively correct. A social unit is like an individual, if it has an opinion it can protect and fight for this opinion, because this opinion is the foundation of said theoretic individual. Like you would fight for your morals, a society should.
>>81500028
Postmodernism is people being their own gods, which is the only meaning of the death of God. People are not fit to be their own god, and I think that this is the main point you should ponder about, regarding what our ancestors tried to tell us with 3k years of organized religion and many more years of paganism before that.
>>81501457
>People are not meant to mix
can you tell that to all these stinking kikes in america, pls?
>>81500634
good point up until you attributed atheism with morality being useless.
Atheism is just the lack of belief in gods, nothing else.
Morality is another human concept created for the purpose of human adherence to behavior that is deemed "positive" for humanity itself.
If a large majority considers killing others for doing certain crimes a moral thing, then it will considered a good moral action to kill them for doing such things.
Yet those basis also break down if another group or thinking says that it isn't moral for reasons.
>>81490531
it's funny because cleese voted leave
>>81499534
why should i? what does the book advocate and what are its most prominent points and philosophical additives that might interest me?
seems like an interesting book but i geniuenly want to know why is it? ive flooded my brain with lots of stuff as of lately and need to pick carefully from now on. plus i wouldnt want to read a book just to support a view i already have and can argue for i think.
>>81500197
I wouldnt say atheism benefits anything, because it simply doesnt imply anything, any value or any point. the way you put up philosophical approaches to thinking as 'ilnesses' makes me worried that you're too far down the hole. i mean, if you think anyone who is atheist is ill and incapable of sustaining a profitable life, you are simply wrong.
ive grown up in an atheist family. god was never mentioned, and yet, ive grown up to realize that stealing is bad, and i dont like it, primarily because i dont like being stolen from, and i dont gain nearly as much satisfaction from stealing something as from actually gaining something by communaly respected effort, which relates to me wanting other people to respect me and like me.
its important to realize that im not anti-spiritual. im however extremely sceptical of any religion as a brand for spirituality and im sceptical of absolutism as an easy provider for manipulation and totalistic treatment of community, which as in many cases, both atheistic and religious, turned out to be pretty shit for a lot of people that get arrested for not completely agreeing with whatever regime is currently on.
>>81501657
I send them an SMS I don't think they like me anymore though I've been spamming them with frog memes
>>81488751
why do you weeb athiest like this guy?
he got BTFO by George Galloway in multiple debates
>>81501457
>People are not fit to be their own god, and I think that this is the main point you should ponder about
I actually agree with that.
And I also agree with your point about religion as social utility in >>81500197.
The problem is: How can we make people believe in the same old myths from thousands of years ago? Can the Christian God be resurrected, now in the social sense, so that the social order we had in the past is reestablished? I doubt it, unless the masses are somehow kept ignorant of world history and scientifically illiterate.
>>81501699
wrong, faggot
morals are based on society, and american society has been largely based on Christianity, hence, why america isnt a fucking desert shithole.
Predominantly Christian nations share approximate morality, sand nigger nations with sand religions share sandnigger jihadist morality.
faggot liberals.
"im an atheist and i dun kill ppl herpderp"
no fucking shit retard cuz you've been taught Christian morality as a result of living in a country that's (historically) been Christian.
fucking idiots.
>>81501457
ahh you really have no idea how you're proving my points right with your own dogmatic thinking.
I'm sorry but the fact that majority of your own kind dont even believe in the bullshit you cling on to is more than evidence enough.
BTW israel is not the way it is because of your religion buddy.
>also i know you wont but if you did research you would see how well those secular societies are doing compared to deeply religious ones.
>also sephardics have a pretty shitty society and you know this is true, and they are the ones that adhere to your dogma the most.
>>81500028
No, all that is left now is a bunch of nihilistic edge masters and a radical religious group with the courage of their convictions who seek to dominate the earth.
Any guess who will win if that trend persists?
>>81501699
It's useless in a sense that for atheists, no action is objectively good nor evil. An action thus becomes judged by whether it's pragmatic or not, based on person's individual ideals. For a selfish person, murder should pose no problems. For someone who values civilization, it might.
And you can't escape the relativism, since there's absolutely no objective justification for any kind of moral action. So again it comes down to what the majority or those in power think should be done.
>Morality is another human concept created for the purpose of human adherence to behavior that is deemed "positive" for humanity itself.
That's not morality, that's law. Morality means good or evil. Law means orderly society.
>>81501457
>mfw i agree with a kike
kike, i think our people can get along just fine if you stop trying to rape our civilization. you stay in your country, we'll blow up all the fucking sandniggers around you, and we can be friends... as long as you stay waaaaaay over there
>>81499256
>what did he actually achieve?
are you mentally retarded?
he planted priceless and precious seeds of enlightenment and resistance in many thousands of minds who have ever heard him, and who ever will
>>81502165
LOL NO
If you think american society is based on christian values youre literally an ignorant idiot without the ability to think.
Real "christian" values would not allow capitalism, democracy or even something as common as divorce.
You' re a fucking idiot that clings to a moral high ground that literally 0 basis simply because other religious nuts who dont even follow the dogma in their shitty book claim that they do.
You go through life without giving a second thought to any of this shit because you've been brought to think that you're right because you think so
>if youre so christian why not have yoruself stoned to death if you work on sundays?
haha
>>81502588
also thats like 3 straight duds on /pol/ for me
Holy Trinity to fuck Islam to death and cast them into fire forever confirmed
>>81498730
>which is what atheism causes, because they can change it as they go and they do.
You want to live in a society? You gotta play by its rules. Those rules are called morals. Simple enough, isn't it? No need to bring religion into this.
>>81502262
>Any guess who will win if that trend persists?
Nobody.
>>81502743
my bad, i meant MOSTLY PROTESTANT values, which happen to be close enough to actual Christian values to be civilized.
all the rampant fuckery and niggerdom comes straight from Protestantism, tho. gg shitlord
>>81499622
Arguments please.
>>81501921
On the topic of the Iraq war, both were shit desu, but Galloway had the moral high ground and the vast majority of the public had become disillusioned with the campaign and resented Bush and Blair for the seemingly needless deaths of soldiers.
Hitchens stuck with the main narrative of "removing this monster" that was Saddam Hussein, and liberating Iraq. Noble but stupidly naive for a man of his calibre.
>>81488751
Of course. A strong voice for reason will always be missed.
>>81502951
Really made me think
>>81501785
I don't think anyone who is an atheist is ill, but I do think that atheism as an idea, is an illness on society. I've said ITT before, I don't care about your personal beliefs at all, I care about what you preach and propagandize.
And I disagree with you about atheism not implying anything. A lack of authority, and a lack of absolutism imply that humans are free to be their own god, plain and simple. I don't think we should, I think it's hubris and suicide.
And again, you being able to live secularly and still be moral(by the christian standard of course) does not mean that atheism and secularism can be brought to all people and your society will still be intact.
>>81502131
Science can not contradict God because he is above all, and if there is one thing that the masses can accept is authority. I don't need to tell you that many scientists were Christians, of course. So there's no need for scientific illiteracy, just for preventive action against hubris from hyper advancement.
And there is no need for historic illiteracy because other cultures are not relevant. If the society thinks that it's religion is right, it'll simply follow it and know that it goes to heaven, and that it's moral, and so on. They can know about the heretics across the border, and the heretics across the border can know about them. None of them will be convinced to abandon their religion, if they know it is the foundation of their society, only by seeing other religions.
>>81502217
That's where race comes into the picture newfriend:^)
>>81502627
Did he? I don't see it. I see secular, atheist and enlightened Sweden, and Europe, being fucked in the ass by muslims. I see America being taken over by degenerates.
>>81503015
Here's my argument
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html
>>81502763
>Rules are morals
Sad!
No, it's really unironically sad
>>81497975
How do you get out of the fact that the teachings of religion are false? I mean I agree with you that religion is mostly good for society, but how do you overcome the hurdle of having to justify a belief on the false/true spectrum
>>81502951
mulatto-anarchism, whichever negroids reproduce before dying to whatever other negroids and whatever shitskin causes they fight for will continually reproduce and eventually throw sticks and rocks at each other and reproduce more til whatever meteor smashes earth apart and kills them all
at least whites wouldve killed ourselves long before the meteor with technology. stupid fucking niggers wont even see it coming
>>81503195
>by the christian standard of course
why not by hindu stardart? or budhist standart? how do you know im not an asian immigrant?
you have chosen to think selectively in every argument, and thus my point ceases.
>>81502492
You are absolutely correct as to the objectivity of good and evil. Because it is true that human beings do things based on reality and not dogmatic bullshit.
>btw Law is the enforcing of morals :P
>no religious people actually adhere to most of the "religious" dogma, they only pick and choose what they want or else modern society wouldn't exist. This also pinpoints the exact problem with religious morality as it hold very little basis in reality , therefore it is mostly irrelevant to everyday life.
All religions have moral dogma that most people do not follow such as murdering infidels and other bullshit that is meaningless like stoning those who work on a sunday.
>>81503316
What exactly saddens you? The fact that your race refused to play by the rules for millenia and was moved to ghettoes? Notice that I allowed myself to respond with a non-argument after your non-argument
>atheist faggots post how civilized society isnt caused by civilized religions
>cannot find any evidence that shitskin religions have any morality whatsoever
>morals arent based of religion anyway cuz muh intelligence
fuck off atheists, i used to think like yall, then i grew up and used those thoughts on something besides being a faggot contrarian
>>81503585
Because you are talking about your ability to be moral within the western society, which is based on Christian morals, so when you say that you don't steal and you do help your community despite being an atheist, you are saying that you are within the Christian standard despite being an atheist.
I'm gonna go to sleep now it was nice talking to you all
>>81503878
as much as it's going to hurt you to admit it, modern civilized societies are the way they are because of religious influences. Protestantism has guided almost all modern civilized nations, and it also happens to effectively be a "progressive" version of christianity, something islam desperately needs.
>>81489095
Except yolo is more ambiguous and that quote promotes being a good person.
fgt
>>81488751
Indeed I do
>the barbarians never take the city till someone opens the gate for them
>and it's your own preachers who'll do it for you
did he predict what the Pope was gonna do?
>>81503878
>cannot find any evidence that shitskin religions have any morality whatsoever
Oh, but they do. Mohammed founded his bizzare cult to put an end to lawlessness that reigned on the Arabian peninsula back in the day, with tribes raping and pillaging caravans and traders as they pleased. It was hurting his and his associates' business, hence he came with a set of rules called Sharia, and with a system of very strict enforcement of those rules (if three men testify to your adultery, you get stoned, etc.)
>>81502955
lol
>i dont agree with what the majority of the religious body says, even tho its based off this holy book
>so im going to go and create my own dogma that allows you to not follow everything this holy book says but at the same time you are also a good christian
All the bullshit comes fromt he same book, in which that book would not allow for the things ive listed.
NO capitalism, no democracy, no divorce,no working on sundays, no freedom of speech, not even printing out fuckling images or making effigies to represent such beliefs.
I bet you don't even know the restrictions your own religion has that you ignore simply because they would interfere with the way you want to live your life, then claim a moral high ground when you want to.
>lol
>>81504187
do you even know how many vietnamese immigrants live in czech republic? ive reasonably explained why i dont steal, and see no correlation to god, because there never was one. you choose to directly correlate it to fit your viewpoints, you are now not only selective in your thinking, but arrogant.
>>81503660
Again, what is reality in a relative sense? Because if conceptions of reality are relative, that means that no one really knows what reality actually is.
You can say what you will but it is an observable fact that religion strengthened civilizations. But that's not the point, the point is that religious morality is devoid of absurdity, it isn't absurd in its essence, it has a goal that can not be reduced to simple pragmatism.
Law doesn't have to be enforcement of morals. It's pure pragmatism, based on the judgement of those in power. In other words, you ban stealing because it hurts people, not because it's evil. So you're not enforcing morals.
>>81503195
>If the society thinks that it's religion is right, it'll simply follow it and know that it goes to heaven, and that it's moral, and so on.
Which brings us back to my first point: Our society doesn't think religion is right anymore, precisely because we know so much about the world.
How can you even begin to change that? Authority alone won't change their beliefs, just keep their mouths shut.
And about scientific illiteracy, many scientists were Christians in spite of being scientists. Prominent figures like Newton held deeply unscientific beliefs that included not only Christianity but also obscure shit like alchemy. You can't expect regular people to hold contradictory beliefs like a genius would though.
>>81504554
that's why america is (was) successful you stupid faggot. we approximate christian morality with modern realism (thanks Protestants).
your contrarian fedora horseshit is retarded
>>81504556
Well, you kinda ignored all of my points except for this one line so let's call it a tie, ok?
>>81498565
You have no idea what you're talking about
>>81504610
simple
>'no'
Nothing about modern civilization is the way it bcause of religion, democracy is very much against most religions, most of the religious morality is actually absurd as to why most people who subscribe to ignore and just pick and chose what they want to have a moral high ground
>you honestly telling me religious morality is devoid of absurdity when most of them basically tell you that theyre right and everyone else is wrong while at the same time the others claim youre wrong and theyre right.
GOD WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN THINK AS WELL AS YOU DO SEE THE FUCKING CONTRADICTIONS IN THE SHIT YOURE DEFENDING WHEN ITS FUCKING OBVIOUS.
nah, you guys are right, we'd arrive at the same set of morals no matter what we believed, that's why shitskins in the desert are exactly like us!
stupid religious people
I remember the day he died. Saw his name scroll across the bottom of Fox news in the college cafeteria. Very sad.
>>81505065
Protestantism is made of contradictions, that's why it's able to maintain relevance in the modern society.
Even if we don't need religion anymore, you cannot deny that the morality we arrived at is largely due to Christian values.
>>81504610
>You can say what you will but it is an observable fact that religion strengthened civilizations.
Oh yeah it's great how muslims can't stop massacring each other, done wonders for arabs in the last 1400 years.
>it has a goal that can not be reduced to simple pragmatism
From a time before germ theory.
>>81504942
>beliefs based on protestant dogma
>unironically calls me a contrarian
>lol
Once again buddy, if you religious bullshit was truly enforced we would be stuck in the dark ages when the church ruled..remember that?
I know you think you know so much but god you're so fuckng lost due to your own cognitive dissonance that you cant even use your wonderful brain to acknowledge it.
>>81505357
Yes but at the same time, the majority of reasons as to why modern society has advanced the way it has is because of the separation of morals from the strict adherence to religious dogma.'
That in itself proves my point.
>>81503334
this is a problem i have felt too, Pierre.
>>81503878
Oh, and here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilf_al-Fudul
to back this >>81504480 up
