NIH Chief Francis Collins is the most powerful scientist in the world, controlling about 1/4th of total biomedical research spending in America.
He spoke exclusively with BUZZFEED, to discuss why his religion makes him against genetic editing and how he banned all funding for it in America.
“I do believe that humans are in a special way individuals and a species with a special relationship to God, and that requires of a great deal of humility about whether we are possessed of enough love and intelligence and wisdom to start manipulating our own species,” he said.
Don't ask my why the fuck he spoke exclusively with buzzfeed about this issue.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhisubbaraman/gene-editing-ethics?utm_term=.pjnb33MeY#.vs1wNNayX
REMINDER USA WILL BE THIRD WORLD LIBERAL HELL WITHIN 20 YEARS.
>>81486834
fucking christfags
and they have the balls to come on here and pretend /pol/ is a religious fucking board
>USA actually have delusional religious people in charge of scientific research
There are also people in this world who think Western elites aren't shit brained.
>>81486970
It's important to understand what religion is. 99%+ of all religious people on Earth are born into the religion. It's a virus that transfers parent to child. Anyone can mold a fucking developing brain to believe anything they want it. Religion just happens to promise paradise once your brain is fucked.
>>81486834
>REMINDER USA WILL BE THIRD WORLD LIBERAL HELL WITHIN 20 YEARS.
A conservative put this man in charge
Im actually happy. Tampering with DNA is my stopping point.
>>81487511
>Tampering with DNA is my stopping point.
and why the fuck is that
hope you don't pluck out weeds out of the garden or anything, you'd be helping manipulative plants which isn't natural
How the fuck is that against religion? There is a whole subset of diseases that need that research! Scientific beneficial dictatorship when?
>>81487870
Genetics are responsible for behavior. With genetic engineering it becomes easy for the government to regulate behavior and produce generations of docile people.
>>81486834
>wantng leftists to try and make some hermaphroditic ape/human hybrid abomination that instinctively rapes every white woman it comes across
>>81488239
>With genetic engineering it becomes easy for the government to regulate behavior and produce generations of docile people.
to what end
and within a few generations what happens if that trait becomes dominant everywhere when the unmodified government people are dead?
>>81487498
Reminder there is no difference between free trade open borders religious party and the free trade open borders degeneracy party.
Both have been identical on every issue aside from a few unimportant social ones.
>>81488239
This is flawed
a docile country is weaker than a strong one. It would just lead to your liberal faggot country getting their brains stomped in.
Just look at sweden
>>81486834
>science
>humility
harhar
>A man with extremely high scientific knowledge is deeply religious
Am I the only one glad? I'd rather this guy than some turbo marxist fedora.
>>81486834
lel
This might be good for weaker countries. Imagine if the USA had such a technological advantage that I would breed mutant death squads, like Uruk-Hai and send it over to fight against Chinks or any country that opposes it
Mutant Marine Corps with tentacles. That's the future anyway. People will be fucked even more than between 1914-45 I'm afraid
>>81486834
>he still believes genetic editing is working
>>81489170
>Am I the only one glad
did we read the same thing
>>81486834
>yes goy, believe us, it's banned. It's not like we're carrying those experiments underground
>>81486834
>god is omnipotent, all powerful, all knowing.
>some dudes in a laboratory trying to code DNA is seen as a threat to this god
>20 years later, scientists is coding trans-dimensional biological weapons
>infect god with space-aids
>it dies 4 weeks later
>humans have successfully killed god
>Francis Collins gets to say "I told you so"
>>81486834
He's only doing this so no one will find differences between races, and attempt to fix those flaws.
>>81489501
this is for funding.
>>81486834
>>81489716
This is Trump phenomenon manifesting
We don't want all this power with kikes still in the world loose
>>81489501
just skimmed whatever i could find on it not working and all i could find was a dozen articles saying it won't work on intellgence with tonnes of pictures of black babies everywhere
liberals truly are the most racist
>shitposters shitpost religion instead of muh capitalism
yes,yes... we know you all are commies, alright?.
>>81486834
Meanwhile the Chinese are already breeding super intelligent genetically modified super humans.
Their sports breeding program was so successful they went from 0 medals in olympics to number 1 or 2 in each, think they wont succeed in this one? Think again.
He's right for all the wrong reasons. Diddling with genetics is generally a disaster waiting to happen.
To use muh jaysus as the main reason is pretty fucking retarded though
>>81490215
But of course others will pursue this technology so the only solution is to get rid of the fucking twisted kikes
>>81490026
This. Also when it gets to the point where people are able to request alterations on their babies genectics even niggers and pajeets will request babies with light skin. Asians will probably request round eyes. In the end everyone will just end up looking white.
>>81486834
Without genetic engineering we're going to be inundated, as a species, with 65 IQ Africans and inbred Arabs forever.
>>81486834
Fucking hypocritical selfish cowards, posters ITT and this scientist.
>Muh Gawd Arbument
Fuck off.
>>81490787
Genetic engineering leads to an objectively better future.
No one chooses their genetics, but if they could I'm sure they would have wanted the best genetics possible.
Plus, being around great genetics leads to a better life in general. More intelligent, less mental disease, better looking, better behavior, and healthier.
If there was an all powerful God watching each one of us, he wouldn't allow this to happen. Why stop now?
>>81486834
>meanwhile, China and Japan just legalised it
>human one, animal one was already legal since forever
Time to jump ship and go on team asia.
Not way i'm not turning my children into supermen. Well, superhalfchinks more like, but still, super.
>>81491359
Asia passed USA and Europe as the top GDP region on Earth
They are just getting started too.
>>81486834
>controlling about 1/4th of total biomedical research spending in America.
BULLSHIT
Being head of NIH does not mean he controls the entire budget.
That is like saying Obama controls the enite USA federal budget.
>>81491191
If everybody had perfect genetics and all their problems were solved, what struggles are left to climb and overcome?
Perfection leads to the destruction of the human condition, which is to struggle, ever climbing that ladder to perfection, but never reaching it, never being quite good enough, only to improve and grow stronger.
Perfection leads nowhere as there is nowhere left to go. How boring is that?
>>81486834
>his religion makes him against genetic editing and how he banned all funding for it in America.
>banned all funding for it
ALSO NOT TRUE
OP really is a fag
>>81491191
>>81491087
But who gets to play with this power? Kikes? Sand kikes? Chinks? Niggers? All these people that objectively don't care about the world's well-being unlike noblest of whites?
>>81486834
And let this be known as the moment in history America conceded to China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw8gfejXrBw
>>81486834
China is already doing it though, this just means their labs get more international funding. At least some good coming out of globalization.
>>81486834
There goes perfecting the human race and evolving us out of stupidity faster thanks alot dumb ass scientist
>>81486834
>Be born with Autism.
>Be born with Down Syndrome.
>Be born with Myotonic Dystrophy.
>Be born with Cluster Headaches.
>Be born with Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva.
>Can't get the proper cure because the funding for research is prevented by some smug "Humans are in a special way individuals and a species with a special relationship to God" faggot who was born lucky (genetically speaking).
Holy fuck, I'm seriously raging that the top cunt is preventing genetic editing research because "muh Gawd".
>>81491505
I just hope a lot of westerners won't follow me.
Cuckdom ( pathological altruism and virtual signaling ) is in our blood, and it'd be really shitty to turn asia, the last human stronghold on the planet soon enough, into Europe 2 : electric boogaloo.
>>81491804
Grey Aliens are just Chinese people from the future documenting the folly of the White race. Chinese are genetically engineering their kids to be super smart, Imagine if that happens over say 3 generations, each generation smarter and building upon themselves through genetic engineering. the possibilities are endless
>>81491711
https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-nih-funding-research-using-gene-editing-technologies-human-embryos
>>81491973
Have fun dealing with low-empathy creatures that fuck up their environment because no soul
>>81491961
That's what nazis and eugenics are for, what sort of horror shows will become of our minds when nobody can really know what happens to brain wiring and identity with DNA aumentation
>>81491453
>ironically doesn't know that spamming this meme makes him the real fedoratipper
"You atheists just don't get it xD"
>banned all funding for it in America.
Good. Let the free market sort it out.
>>81488239
> THIS IS WHAT AMERICANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
>>81486834
This way human genes cant be patented by pharmco
And thus owned by corporations.
Good move.
>>81491640
Complete nonsense. Take this shit to /lit.
>>81489797
>Implying scientific progress wont stop when the liberals take over.
>>81491973
Only reason's Europe's suffering is because the Jews are subverting and undermining us, Who do you think killed Christianity ? (Same people who killed Jesus, In a similar way, got SJW's instead of Romans this time)
>>81492530
I don't know what to tell you.
Enjoy your moral pedestal and virtue signaling as you plunge into eternal civil war war, i guess.
>>81486834
>Political party Democratic
>age 66
>by graduate school he considered himself an atheist
>Collins is a critic of intelligent design
>- "I was a casual agnostic"
>-Collins also "does not advocate changing the law[of abortion]"
All this said, we can't do genetic engineering on humans just yet without crazy accidents happening. We can't even do proper cloning yet. To do these things, we need to completely understand how the human machine works, specially the how the brain work, and for all you pop-sci fags who don't know, we are having a great trouble in AI because of Godel's Incomplete Problem. It proves that the brain is not a Turing machine, which is the only kind of computer we can build. Then we need to figure out how the gene produces the human machine, so we need to consider epigenetics, figure cancer, and basically very advance computational math. Consider that we are still puzzled with the genes of trees and bugs, even bacteria is blowing our minds. All these add up to the conclusion that in order to do genetic engineering, we need to do simple eugenics first, until we get an army of 160+ IQ heads forming a mental "critical mass" for research, even if it means that these people will build computers that solve these. But on a very superficial review, this guy is a fucking liberal, not a christian, and he doesn't care about eugenics, therefore he doesn't care genetic engineering on humans.
>>81493333
Kek confirmed, we /duesex/ now
>>81493281
The jews may have pushed the snowball, but they needed snow in the first place.
The rothshild may have funded feminism, but women sure gobled it up.
>inb4 not all women
Yeah well, in a democracy "all" don't matter, "most" do.
>>81493333
I don't give a fuck about pedestals, just saying that helping shit people decide humanity's future is a shit move
>>81492791
this tbqh famdesupai
>>81486834
/pol/ says niggers will be the end of America
/pol/ says Jews will be the end of America
/pol/ says degenerates will be the end of America
Turns out christcucks are blocking our path to a utopian future because LOL JEBUS
Also have fun when trump bans human biology textbooks because they're "porn"
>>81492955
>works in dogs and other animals
>doesn't work in humans
lol ok
>>81493705
I will think about this very post each time i pay my chink taxes, with a smile.
>>81493693
You underestimate their impact. Only way to stop this is to take action, Fuck all politicians, they don't really represent us. We need to take action, send a message that we've had enough and aern't going to take anymore.
We target the high ups, the bankers and the hedge-fund managers
>>81486834
and what did the esteemed chief say about GMO? you are what you eat or something like that
does he have children? are they healthy?
>>81486834
Lol, NIH isn't that important in research. May I remind you the 90% of genetics research in Houston, J. Hopkins, Cleveland clinic is funded by 3 main sources, Saudi Interests, Chinese capital and Halliburton, a very small percentage by "unknown private Jewish donors" NIH has had some contributions, but the bulk of the research is run by those interest. This will have no impact on private research
>>81493560
Good post
>>81493891
This. Too bad retards on /pol/ are unironically religious because of "muh Christian European heritage"
>le doos vult!
>>81493693
>The jews may have pushed the snowball, but they needed snow in the first place.
The rothshild may have funded feminism, but women sure gobled it up.
That's like saying the leech found exposed skin so why bother, it's not the skins fault it's not adapted to fend off the fucking leech.
>>81486834
>american scientists
>>81493560
low IQ hue
You don't need to understand anything. Statistics and parsing through extremely large sets of data using machine learning principles is all that is required.
It's impossible for a human to even read a single person's entire genetic information in a lifetime. Other computer aided or statistical methods can give us answers, look up GWAS.
>>81486834
I hope he dies soon.
Hopefully russians and chinese will go on with their crazy science.
>>81486834
This is another reason why we need separation of science and state and separation of economics and state.
Why do liberals hate genetic engineering when it has the possibility of giving all groups of people the ability to bear smarter and healthier children?
It can equalize many group disparities and has the potential to create a new Renaissance (imagine a country with an average IQ of 150+ on todays scale).
>>81491640
>muh human condition is misery
Like that other poster said, take it to /lit/
>>81494201
The thread wasn't made because of that. It's just a topic that will survive and get replies on /pol/ about genetic engineering while using him as a proxy for anyone against it.
>>81494140
Yeah well, i'm not in the special ops, i'm not a billionnaire, i'm not at the bottom at the barrel with nothing to lose, and in France in particular there is not one big convenient breeding ground for traitors ( like in Norway ) to cleanse and spread a message.
Nah, the trend is overwhelming. The FN, Trump, UKIP, AFD, NOT A SINGLE ONE politician/political party want to deport/exterminate the subhumans already citizen, only the "immigrant" ( which will without a doubt be given an easy way back, Trump already mentioned it and France already changed it's laws to obtain citizenship so that even a 65IQ retard ( i.e. what they want to import ) can get it ).
Nah m80
We're doomed, and i will NOT die for a people that welcome this doom with a smile.
If they need death of their loved ones to become "redpilled", then fuck these retards. I don't give a fuck, i'll act for the benefit of my own bloodline.
>>81486834
>UK left UK
>Already in talks with commonwealth nations for Empire 2.0
>UK aren't cucked by religious keks, so develop genetically engineered super soldiers.
>Re-take 13 colonies
post yfw you'll be alive to see the British empire return to its former glory.
>>81494809
>banning gene editing because you think a jewish ghost will blast you
>liberal
choose one
christian /pol/acks, is GE (lets say crisp cas) in humans actually somehow forbidden by christian doctrine?
>>81487238
you really think religious people go their whole life never questioning and just simply believe in the sunday school god from womb to tomb???????
also, ardently thinking humans should go anywhere near this type of technology, blind inexplicable faith in human reason, is its own brand of religious dogma. Something to believe in, an answer to death. I'll never die mate science!!!! They gon fix me they gon upload me to space
>>81486834
Uhh, what in the living fuck?? He's going to regret this shit if he ever has a heart that's shot.
>Sorry sir, but ur heart is failing.
>You would've lived if gene editing was a thing.
>>81486834
>scientist
>spiritual hippie
>>81495203
the question is somewhat offtopic but related.
>>81491505
Asia passed the USA because the USA cucked itself and let them. They got where they were off of the USA's back, had we not let them cuck us, they would still be peasants.
>>81494589
>You don't need to understand anything
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome-wide_association_study#Limitations
Limitations and Fine-mapping
You are the one who seems to know less then the average euphoric retard who attended to a basic lecture on this
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>>81495296
When you go too long 'knowing' something to be fact it becomes impossible to think outside of that framework.
It's the same reason why anyone who is an SJW after the age of 20 or so is irredeemable.
>>81495094
WW3 has already started, just hasn't gone hot yet. 8 billion people is 7.5 billion too many and with the mechetronic revolution looming... Well let's just say some high ups have underground bunkers ready.
Either fight now or die in the ensuing chaos.
>>81495296
religious person spotted
Religion is transmitted to children from parents. 99% of new muslims are born into the religion.
Without this way of spreading religion would die out as it is not real. See Greek and Roman Mythology.
>>81490568
Damn, you're illiterate
>>81486834
>24 Purity Points have been added to your affinity
>>81495504
Doesn't matter
USA got huge off Europe being retards.
That cycle is natural. Elites in the best places on earth became blind.
>>81486834
when this guy learns what humanity actually is (homo erctus mixed with annunaki dna) and who yawhway actually is (enlil). many keks will be had. Get fucked bible thumpers.
>>81495635
We don't need to know shit
It's impossible for a human being, even the most genius, to decode all of this.
That is why machines will do it.
>>81486834
then again if we did start messing with the genome we'd pbly fuck it up even more. Leave that to the Chinese.
>>81495974
>Civ beyond earth reference
>2016
Wew laddy
>>81494317
This, I know better than a renowned scientist. Fucking luddites, thwarting my autistic desires!
>we'll never get to the point where we can selectively alter bad genes that cause alzheimers and cancer because of christcucks
Does it mean no catgirls for me?
>>81495979
Ah, the elites. Our dear elites.
One or two ancestors in their trees, and somehow they think they're immune to regression to the mean.
>>81491640
what is spiritual perfection?
What is amassing all the information in the universe?
What is becoming God?
Blind materialist with neo-catholic ethics spotted. The true unttermench.
>>81496780
It's just human nature
Chinese "elites" have far different goals than say European "elites.
Also the whole end of history delusion.
Elites in Europe and America get swayed by the desire to "fix the world". It's very obvious why it is so alluring as compared to monotonous and careful management of a successful country.
Dealing with terrorism or Iraq is more exciting than optimizing transportation.
>>81496546
>renowned scientist
>“I do believe that humans are in a special way individuals and a species with a special relationship to God, and that requires of a great deal of humility about whether we are possessed of enough love and intelligence and wisdom to start manipulating our own species,”
And Obama did nothing about this in 8 years.
You're basically screwed whether you get Shillary or Trump.
>>81486834
fuck dude
I just want a dragon dick, man
>>81493560
Stephen Hsu thinks it's entirely possible with todays tech. He probably knows more about this than you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVqkvHpLfuQ
https://arxiv.org/abs/1408.3421
https://infoproc.blogspot.de/search/label/genetic%20engineering
>>81497447
www.bad-dragon.com
>>81496563
You know christcucks may just be onto something with this. Racial homogeneity means being in the same team. If everyone starts being born "special" and "unique" then all sense of belonging is forfeit when everyone thinks differently and nobody has any loyalty to own kind. This could be a disaster. It's just more multicult without any BS clouding the point of racial destruction.
>>81497111
>implying it's stupid to ask whether the people playing with life itself are smart enough
>>81491961
>>Retarded leftist christian cuck
>>Born lucky
>>Pick one
>>81487238
>>81487066
>>81486970
I remember when I was in college too.
>>81498016
>"We're not smart enough to cure birth defects, prevent cancer, and extend life expectancies."
>Why not?
>"Because I said so."
Thanks christfags for your moral guidance.
>>81498102
>>81498398
This thread needs more argument guy
>I just wan't the good stuff and it's stupid to talk about letting irresponsible people take risks for all humanity
>>81486834
>have Marfan Syndrome
>this guy wants me to die young
wat do
>>81498398
He's just as right as oppenheimer was. Face it faggot, this technology will revolutionize human life. Go watch an average session in congress or the eu parliament and tell me these people are qualified.
>>81498827
die ?
>>81498398
I hope the chinks will publicise that their attempts created monsters and abominations, playing off those retards in the west.
They have in their hands the means to secure supremacy for the foreseeable future, much like the industrial revolution was to Europe.
>>81498827
BREED BREED BREED BREED SCIENCE WILL HELP YOU IF IT DOESNT BLAME JESUS
>>81498844
Oppenheimer was a literal retard and if the government had listened to him instead of Teller and Von Neumann we'd be living Fallout
>>81498827
Any money says you can't out do the guy whose hand was gnawed apart by his small bird.
>>81486834
I call bullshit. I bet the real reason is to protect the fags and trannies from being wiped out. Then he blames religion.
Based. Fuck off you daydreaming weeb autists who want to alter human genetic information and fuck up the system that's been working fine.
>>81486834
And they cl;aim Democrats aren't anti-science.
>>81488716
>to what end
Libido. Dominandi is more addictive than cocaine.
The desire for power itself is the end to people addicted to exerting their will through government
I can't believe you faggots actually believe it's a good idea to alter people's genetic information before they are born and have any say in the matter.
>>81499511
Mentioned T guy because he's questioning the competence of people in power. This guy also is questioning people in powerful scientific positions.
Talking science and ethics shouldn't be about HES DUMB UR DUMB every other post
>>81499363
Take out your tinfoil hat
Francis Collins is an avowed Christian.
>>81498929
probably
>>81499089
I have 50% chance of passing it to any children I have so no kids for me
>>81499262
caw caw you piece of shit
>>81491640
>What is endless space
In short, he's afraid of the unknown and won't admit it. For anyone in the field, it's become clear that we would eventually become modern day eugenicists. Hell, it's even better because with the implications of the CRISPR-Cas9 system, we won't have to go through the breeding steps. The ethics system we developed after WWII is dictating that we're moving too fast and that experimentation on humans is wrong but this technology dictates that humans must eventually be test chambers for the technology so that true change can occur. It will also cause an "arms race" of sorts between the rich and poor again as the rich will be the only ones able to afford these technologies at the beginning of their creation.
The problem now becomes that other countries will continue to develop this technology and we won't. The restrictions will eventually be lifted by another but we'll be behind by then, unless all the research is done in secret. China sure as shit won't care if they sacrifice a couple hundred thousand babies to figure out exactly how this process works. Ultimately I think he's misguided in that he's letting his fear rule his decisions rather than letting it begin to happen and then setting limits on what can be altered and what can't. He' right in that we won't know what we're playing with until it's too late but he's wrong if he thinks that his localized ban will do anything to stop the development of this technology across the world.
>>81500046
Did you have any say in your current genetics?
Did you give consent to be born?
There is no difference except with genetic technology you could have been born without the same defects you have now.
Lets say you have a heart defect that will kill you around age 35. Say we could have removed the defect with a simple and safe edit.
Would we really not make the change because we don't have a baby giving consent?
>>81500492
Yeah and the risk of bad things happening before were with my mother potentially being a crackwhore/smoker/alcoholic while I was in the womb and the randomness of nature. Now you are introducing further risk because of your progressive desire to fiddle around with nature.
>>81500232
Can you touch the back of your hand with any of your fingers?
I can do it with my little fingers.
>>81500424
I'd be very surprised if China and most ambitious countries don't have labs working on this right now in secret.
The advantage is potentially supremacy over all humanity if you suppose enhanced scientists could work on singularity technologies.
The best way to do it is combine editing with mass cloning, studying the embryos.
>>81500424
Let China have the blood of innocents on their hands, then. Why do you want to race to the bottom? Absolutely disgusting.
>>81500796
>further risk
you can't do basic math
There is no increased risk from a random birth when you edit genetics
All probabilities indicate an edited human would be more likely to be healthier.
>>81486834
You faggots do realize this Reasearch is a horrible idea, right? You aren't going to get your Arian eugenics paradise- only the rich elite will be able to afford this shit! If this is allowed, the vast majority of you will end up as a slave-like underclass to the genetically superior super-rich
>>81501048
>Basic math
Okay faggot show me the problem.
>Implying there's no risk involved in altering genetics
>>81486834
I'm actually triggered.
>>81501103
This is already the case
At least the "Elites" would be more intelligent in this future. I'd rather have someone intelligent running things than the current mix of idiots with a few intelligent people.
>>81486834
>see OP's headline that Collins wants to ban genetic engineering
>get mad
>read the story and realize he just wants to withhold funding from experiments on the genetic engineering of humans until we have a public debate on the ethics involved
>this is a perfectly sensible position no matter what your religious beliefs are
OP is a faggot who deserves to be lynched
>>81486834
You believe a person doing something because of their religion makes them a liberal?
>>81501103
Rich people can just go to other countries where it is allowed.
If you want everyone to have access then the only way is through government funding
>>81487238
Yea except he wasn't neckbeard. He didn't become religious until later in life
>>81486970
I hate the religions fags aswell
USA politicians have been gouging their eyes out for 40 years now. The future seems to be in east asia
>>81501817
>Greece in charge of futures
>>81486834
>Have poor parents everyone else is chad hang your self at age 20 because you never are going to get a girl
>>81501817
Thats what they said about Japan 30 years ago. Look how that turned out. It amazes me how so many people on this board have no concept of history. Like the world didn't start existing until they started paying attention to it.
>>81501103
Elites are already more intelligent on average. And have more money and power that comes with it.
>>81488326
This.
If you think trannies are bad, wait till people start claiming they have a 'right' to become half-wolf.
>>81486834
I'm a Christian and I approve of this. It should be banned by law instead though.
doesn't matter. technology stops for no man.
>>81501192
It's because you believe there is meaning in randomness.
Example a baby could be born with CCR5-Δ32 or without it. 50/50. Now you think leaving this to randomness is somehow better and safer.
All scientific evidence could point towards CCR5-Δ32 being a better adaptation. Giving that child CCR5-Δ32 versus a random chance is the superior choice.
If CCR5-Δ32 is found to be a bad alteration, then we could start giving the alternative version to babies and enhance them that way.
Basically, making an intelligence choice based on scientific evidence is superior to random choice. It's why a genetically engineered human could live to be 200 years old and be more intelligent than any human ever born.
Randomness is not a superior way to choose what to do over deliberate science.
It's like asking why you would go to a doctor for a treatment versus rolling a dice.
IF you think random genetics are superior, you also believe a randomly generated treatment would be the best way to treat yourself.
>>81501817
It sure looks like it until you realize China is a massive powder keg ready to go off in a split second if their economy were to stop growing.
>>81501935
greece
east asia
>east
>asia
>>81490556
Star trek did say the eugenics wars start with an Asian commander.
>>81486834
I am now confused and derailed.
>>81490556
This.
USA banned it? Ooops, guess it's gone.
All that's happened is rising powers are getting a lead in it.
>>81502088
China has started to approach critical mass.
Also technological improvement is the way to the future. All these decisions US politicians make hinder the country's development.
>>81500046
>America
>the country where parents can chop off part of your dick without consent, but editing genes to prevent birth defects is a step too far
>>81490556
Not really. They have a pool of a billion people to choose from, and have tremendous amounts of government funds invested in their medal programs. Its inevitable they would be competitive, but its not the same as genetically modifying people.
>>81502508
I was talking about the risk of the process not working as intended, which seems to be something you haven't contemplated. That is the definition of risk: uncertainty. You are introducing tail-risk in the case that whatever mechanism they develop for altering genetic information to meet the desired end fails and they just completely fuck it up, because I doubt their procedure is guaranteed to be error-free.
>>81502653
>Missing the point
>Greek intellectuals
>>81499951
You don't make your own kids docile, you just make their kids docile.
Which means you're in power forever.
>>81502854
Let me know when China makes an actual technological improvement and doesn't just steal last generation tech from someone else. Legalizing development isn't the key to it happening. Creativity, ambition, and education are the leading factors. Things China won't have an edge on for a good while, and will never have a lead on in the first category for a good long time.
>>81502549
You are right about china's economic problems, however, if their economy fails they will drag most of the rest of the world with them. So i think it's already TBTF for the rest too.
As such, i believe in the end they will manage and then pull ahead eventually.
>>81502922
Abortion is widespread and legal
embryo research is banned because it is murder
>>81503079
your post made no sense whatsoever.
>>81487066
He's right though. Genetically engineering people will be a shit show. His given reason is stupid but what do you think he's going to just come out and say we don't want the globalists to be able to create a slave race, or genetically ban the whiteness they're always taking about destroying?
>>81503034
So the fact is we would want more funding and research into it to make it safe right?
>>81503267
To you.
>>81486834
Why the fuck is /pol/ attacking this guy? You really trust anyone to edit human dna?
My reasoning is partly religous, but mostly logical. Humanity must not be tampered with. There is no going back. What if they fick up?
>>81487870
For the same reason rape is illegal. Do basic moral concepts have to be explained to retarded atheists? Every day I see atheism as destructive to basic maturity.
>>81503180
Abortion should be illegal as well.
>>81503327
Not on humans. Let the chinks massacre their young.
>>81503402
Abortions should be mandatory
>>81503143
They do make contributions, but they are negligible compared to US-Japan.
What i'm concerned is that the US politicians shoot their country's own foot.
>>81502479
It depends on the technology.
Technically, we've been genetically engineering organisms for hundreds of thousands of years. Corn, wheat, dogs, cows, rice, etc.
Humans are more difficult to change genetically for two reasons:
1. We live a long time, compared to dogs or plants. If you want to go 100% amoral mad scientist, you're still waiting around 12-15 years for your experiments to grow to sexual maturity. There could be long term health problems that you'd never see until late in the game. Dogs, in comparison, take a couple years to be sexually mature, and one dog breeder can go through numerous generations in a few years.
2. Humans reproduce relatively slowly. Granted, we are always 'in heat' and can pop babies out once a year like a machine, but that's not useful for genetic engineering. What you want is litters, so that in a single generation you have many individuals with a mix of traits and can sort out which ones you want to keep and which are not going to be allowed to reproduce. With humans, one child per year. Each child takes ten years to tell if it's worth having. Not efficient at all.
So no, it will be difficult to have unregulated off the books genetic engineering of humans. Even China will find it difficult.
A better and more productive approach would be to try to eliminate genetic disorders and spread useful genes that already exist - for example Tibetians are said to have good lung capacity, so maybe you could sell that gene to runners or the military.
But the idea of eugenics cannot be done in the same way as we did it to dogs or mice. Humans are just not good candidates for it.
>>81503385
>My reasoning is partly religous, but mostly logical. Humanity must not be tampered with. There is no going back. What if they fick up?
What if you don't and China does?
How will you compete in any way with a country with an average iq of 200?
You will still end up fucked if you don't do it.
>>81503475
For liberals.
>>81503475
You should retroactively apply that to yourself, seeing your mother's failure to align with that policy.
I support this because I'm bitter that I was born too early to be a designer baby.
>>81503361
Mb it made sense to you only.
>>81486834
frank is a strange guy. he is scared shitless about the possible singularity.
>>81503385
you can just edit it back to the way it was.
>>81494594
Russians hate geneticists. They killed the first guy to make a hybrid organism for "bougeasie pseudo sciece"
>>81491640
>we made you here best we could
But not to last.
>>81503723
AI singularity should scare people into not caring about genetic engineering.
>>81503929
*Stalin hated genetics
>>81503521
But there is no gene for having IQs of 200. Intelligence as a concept is a complex mix of learned knowledge and the efficiency of your neuro-pathways. And sometimes, smarter individuals handle stress improperly or end up with unexpected mental disorders. For example, the potential correlation between OCD and high intelligence. It might be that being smarter fucks up your brain's priority system.
Also, IQ's are graded based on averages. So even if the majority of your population got smarter, the average still remains at 100.
The United States is perhaps the most conservative country in the western world. It should come as no surprise that we are not willing to do things the Chinks would do when it comes to the value of human life.
I like it this way. If you're butthurt about it go move to China, faggots.
>>81486834
this is a good thing. pretty soon the government will start genetically engineering a brain-dead passive labor force. so unless you want your kids to compete with superhumans for jobs, this is a good fucking idea.
>>81504011
singularity is the omega point. the next stage of our evolution. we must embrace it and race towards it.
>>81504025
same reason liberals in the west do
All of their theories fall apart when you factor in genetic determinism.
>>81503385
Largely inevitable though. There's no global ability to control it, and enough powers with alternate concepts of moral behavior to nearly guarantee that someone will do it.
It's all going to start small and take a few hundred years, but a new species will emerge that will be smarter than us, healthier than us, live longer than us, and can outcompete us in every way.
Racism feh - these people will be literally superior to all of us.
>>81493705
What's wrong with algae?
>>81504231
:^) Great shitpost faggot
Did I say a single gene would give someone 200 IQ?
"potential correlation"
What about the known correlation with low IQ and violent, stupid behavior?
>>81503929
Communists have a weird relationship with evolutionary science in general.
Their entire philosophy is based on historical determinism, which is the idea that the entire course of history makes socialism and communism inevitable, as if it was pre-planned.
However, evolution is inherently random mutations, and is always pitting one group in competition with another as an endless cycle. For capitalists, this fits their ideology, but not communists.
Another example is how the Russians tried to claim that oil and coal were produced 'inorganically,' as in not made by the pressurization of dead organisms but just from carbon upwellings from deep within the Earth.
This concept fit better with Russian economic ideals, that they could just rely on their oil supply forever since it was renewable - however slowly.
And then there was the land reclaimation project that fucked up the Ariel Sea, and the idea of a Solar mirror to heat up Siberia... in general Russians are inclined to believe what fits their agenda.
>Literally the only thing that will fix the races
>MUH JESUS
They were right all along.
>>81504366
like robots?
Robots do that already. It's like saying humans will be genetically engineered into scissors so we can stop making scissors.
There is no point to such changes. Countries do not need stupid low IQ labor.
>>81492265
Thanks for provingme right.
OP stated that Collins had banned all funding for genetic editing.
This is not true.
He has only stopped it for humans.
It continues unabated for other species.
>>81504690
>Did I say a single gene would give someone 200 IQ?
My point is that increasing intelligence artificially is extremely complex, and relies on thousands of genes working in harmony. Can you do it? Hypothetically, but you need to understand the system rather than just pretend that one injection will turn you into a genius.
We won't see genetic alteration of average intelligence for a long time. We'll certainly see cures for disorders, however.
>What about the known correlation with low IQ and violent, stupid behavior?
Well, I think it's not unreasonable to say that having poor reasoning and impulse control leads to violence and degeneracy, but that is also based on multiple genes not functioning properly or efficiently.
There is no "nigger gene". There are several.
>>81505044
actually countries need high iq innovators. and that shows you how retarded that post was.
>>81486834
WHY DO YOU HATE MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE REEEEEEE
>>81493705
>American goyim we need to tax you for carbon usage
>to save the planet lol yeah that's it
>>81505410
You don't need to understand the system.
Take genes that correlate with high IQ, and remove genes that correlate with low IQ. That's it.
Many of them have already been identified.
guess what happens thanks to science? IQ increases.
>>81505410
>relies on thousands of genes
true but not an issue. we can edit thousands of genes with crisp cas easily.
>working in harmony.
the vast majority of genetic variation in human traits (inc. IQ) is due to additive differences. Why? Because changes that rely on other genes to function are much less beneficial.
>We won't see genetic alteration of average intelligence for a long time
Actually we can increase IQ by a couple of points with the currently known variants.
>>81486834
>natural law is bad
>being cautious with human life is evil
This is what retards actual believe
>>81491640
Spoken like a true sub-human shit-skin.
>>81486834
Just don't let the Jews get their hands on gene editing technology. They'd edit out foreskins. Unless they just enjoy being savages and mutilating kids.
>>81503398
And why is it morally wrong for us to modify our own genetics? Couldn't I easily just say that it's immoral to not use this technology that could cure diseases?
>>81491640
>the human condition
>>81486834
Bullshit, God doesn't say anthing about Genetics, he just says not to alter YOUR OWN body with your CONSENT ie: Augmentations, Tattoos
fucking pretender Christians are the worse
>>81506367
>that rely on other genes to function are much less beneficial.
due to breakage when the other gene variant is missing which would be likely when the other variant isn't already fixed in the pop.
>>81491640
Yeah, I wish more people died randomly of heart defects. It would be so much more exciting and make life so much better if like 4x as many people died of heart attacks in their teens.
I hope hipster retards like you edit themselves a bad heart, or just use a gun and kill themselves to experience some real shit.
>>81486834
>"Mention of Collins' love of guitar playing and motorcycle riding can often be found in articles about him.[51] While directing NHGRI, he formed a rock band with other NIH scientists. Sometimes the band, called "The Directors," dueled with a rock band from Johns Hopkins University, led by cancer researcher Bert Vogelstein. Lyrics of The Directors' songs included spoofs of rock and gospel classics re-written to address the challenges of contemporary biomedical research.[52] Collins has performed at TEDMED 2012, StandUpToCancer,[53] and Rock Stars of Science.[54]"
>>81486834
Very cute, faggot, but you're only delaying the inevitable. I'm sorry that genetic research hurts your feelings.
>>81506367
>>81506707
>>81505410
see:
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000008
and for theoretical possibilities:
http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming
>>81506113
No, that's utterly absurd. Your brain is a chemical system, soul or no soul, and simply dumping a bunch of new chemical instructions on neurons is not without risks.
Think of it like work orders. The DNA requests certain materials, remakes them, then places them based on its instructions.
What if one group of people have DNA with instructions that don't work well with DNA instructions from another group of people? You can't tell me that every single gene in every human is completely compatible with each other.
We have things like schizophrenia, ADHD, bi-polar disorder, OCD, and major depression in otherwise intelligent individuals for a reason. Intelligence isn't binary either, "stupid or smart".
I think it's even more complex than we realize as well. Our body is an ecosystem with thousands of non-human organisms, from bacteria to fungi to symbiotic viruses, and we don't even consider how they might affect our chemical systems. Now, obviously the brain is a sterile environment, but shouldn't we consider how a more efficient digestive bacteria might affect the amount of nutrition a brain receives? Or how various bacteriophages might help fight parasitic (i.e. nutrition stealing) organisms?
My point is the human body is a system. What happens in the digestive track matters to the rest of the body. Increasing intelligence isn't just about giving people extremely efficient neurons, it's helping those neurons grow and making sure they grow in the right ways.
FUCKING CHRIST KEKS
CHINA IS GOING TO BE GENETICALLY ENGINEERING 7 FOOT TALL 400 LB 200IQ SUPER HUMANS THAT WILL TALE OVER THE WORLD
CHRISTIANITY IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEATIST KEK RELIGION, YOU CANNOT BE RED-PILLED AND CHRISTIAN
"MUH GOD" "MUH LOVE" GO FUCK YOURSELVES
PIC RELATED, JEW LAUGHING AT KEKOLD CHRISTIANS
>>81506777
>>81506627
>>81506446
>>81503985
>>81500392
>>81496970
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>>81493086
>baited
lmao. gg guy's.
>inb4 damage control
uh huh. Ok, sure.
>>81507377
I couldn't get a sentence or two into your post
How stupid are you?
>>81507430
Its ok, America can fund the slavs to bio-engineer slav soldiers to combat the chinks
>>81507563
Reading comprehension is unfortunately not genetic either.
>>81507377
>a bunch of new chemical instructions on neurons is not without risks.
Idiot. We just select known beneficial variants. It is like natural selection but much faster and directed by humans.
>>81507430
No friend
you are the bluepilled one here
That jew right there is still actualy researching genetics but not in public with giving the excuse that it's because of God so Christians get the flak thus further weakening the fundaments of western civilization
God does not forbid any fucking research and don't let any jew tell you otherwise
>>81486834
I don't think this is the truth, someone is feeding him this in order to eliminate corporate competition in genetic research (at least in the U.S.)
t. biomed analyst
>>81491961
u mad?
>>81507752
And how do you know those beneficial variants don't conflict with something else?
New gene is more resource intensive than old gene, genes for resource production can't keep up.
Neurons do not run on magic.
It WILL happen. China IS doing this right now.
This is nothing more than voluntarily fucking your own country over while others leave you in the dust and cross new frontiers.
>>81507678
or we could resurrect Stalin and have him go back to that whole "make women fuck apes" thing to create superhumans
coalburners need not apply
>implying other countries wouldnt reach the same conclusion
everyone gets cold feet when it comes to stuff like this.
>>81507377
>You can't tell me that every single gene in every human is completely compatible with each other.
So letting people mate with each other after only selecting for general phenotype is a great idea...
Your argument isnt even internally coherent.
>>81507988
Except when it's a small country and rich people offer big bucks.
>inb4 panama becomes world leader in genomics
>>81486834
What an idiot. Designer babies would probably be the best technological development in human history. It's the only way to help much of the third world, they need to have their average intelligence increased and tribalistic tendencies bred out of them.
>>81492530
I really have to applaud them, it seems like they are destroying their country to make the most affordable materials available to the world
And the best part is most everyone else gets to live in relative cleanliness, except for the asians of course (Japan is fine don't worry)
And sure lets say they get ahead in genetic engineering or some shit like that, the US and Rossiya will always have more nukes and thats what matters
>>81486834
>kikes ban genetic engineering because they know it means they would go extinct by preferential selection overnight
>meanwhile, russia has free reign to do whatever the fuck they want because vlad killed all the jewish oligarchs
I know who's going to end up winning this one.
I recommend everyone start learning russian to prepare.
>>81507960
>And how do you know those beneficial variants don't conflict with something else?
We dont know for certain and neither do we when people dont get GE. In fact we know it even less in that case.
Requiring perfect knowledge of the system we manipulate when the natural system has such a large degree of randomness is pretty retarded.
>>81487511
kike detected
>>81486834
Is he wrong though?
Genetic editing wouldn't go well with our current cultural ideas.
We'd try to drive IQ sky-high, and that's either going to produce kids who are constantly like they're on study drugs, or it's going to make them erratic aspies.
>>81507960
>>81507688
>>81507377
>>81505410
>>81504830
genetic IQ is shrinking worldwide due to the current broken selection method. Something needs to be done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoMMru4-c0
>>81486834
I wonder whether religion truly inspired him.
Jews oppose genetic engineering because it runs counter to their desire to make the other races low IQ.
Truly a righteous man! Reading is fine, Writing, not so much. We know so little about how DNA organizes living structures, perhaps we should at least wait, especially with malevolent peoples and groups in power all over the world. Even if you disagree with him, perhaps you at least agree it would be wise to wait. We still have much to learn about genetics and eugenics. I don't disagree with testing on animals though, such as resurrecting extinct species based on their genome.
>>81507501
>>81509311
Actually, increasing babies' IQ would have a number of positive effects.
I am more inclined to believe Jews want genetic mods to be done, since they are such degenerate Atheist/Satanist advocates, you guys have it backwards.
>be born top of the line engineered superbabby
>destined to become 230 cm tall, 180 kg of mostly muscle, IQ of 213 and a real American buttcheek jaw
>genetic engineering has a breakthrough one year later
>kids one year below me in school are better than me and the other models in every way
>one of them wrecks three of us without breaking a sweat
>get laid off from work every time the newest ubermensch model gets out of school and into the job market
>no gf because younger people have even more perfect dicks than mine
>try to hang myself with a thick steel wire
>neck muscles instinctively flex it asunder and I crash through several floors
>arrested for vandalism and put into cryo tube
EVERZTHING IS WORKING GREAT. DONT FUCK WITH THIS PERFECT SYSTEM!
>>81509311
>Is he wrong though
Nope, pol is just bunch of "le science so epik lez manipulat some genies :D:DDD"-faggots.
>>81487238
>99%+ of all religious people on Earth are born into the religion
This is completely untrue.
I'd be willing to bet it's more than 50%, but nowhere near 99%. People converting to a religion isn't exactly uncommon.
>>81509711
IQ and intelligence are both multifaceted.
One part of intelligence is one of the factors in IQ.
It's easy to greatly boost IQ without boosting intelligence, or by giving a small part of intelligence a boost at a cost that isn't worth it.
IQ tests are largely about spotting subtle geometric patterns, and modifying genetics for high IQ could just result in extremely obsessive kids displaying traits on the autism spectrum without improving the rest of intelligence in tandem.
I don't think most of intelligence can be improved with out current knowledge of genetics.
>>81486834
God bless him
>>81511514
you should learn about the g-factor.
http://humanvarieties.org/2013/04/03/is-psychometric-g-a-myth/
sci-hub.cc/10.1146/annurev-psych-120710-100353
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCvkbqKnZQk
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf
>IQ and intelligence are both multifaceted.
most of the variation is among a single dimension
>One part of intelligence is one of the factors in IQ.
technically iq is only a scale and you can use all kinds of tests to measure intelligence. if you use a wide variety of tests you will get the same result in different test batteries no matter which specific test-content they use (indifference of indicators)
>It's easy to greatly boost IQ without boosting intelligence
only on the tests you learned (retest effect), other iq tests will still give a reliable reading. this doesnt discredit iq tests in the slightest.
>IQ tests are largely about spotting subtle geometric patterns
you know nothing about iq testing. there are 100s of iq test items that can be used.
> modifying genetics for high IQ could just result in extremely obsessive kids displaying traits on the autism spectrum without improving
no evidence for that at all.
>I don't think most of intelligence can be improved with out current knowledge of genetics.
cool opinion, bro
start reading actual science on this topic instead of popsci books by non-experts or journalists.
>>81513167
>here are 100s of iq test items that can be used.
many of them are not geometric or visual at all.
>>81486834
If we can do it it's because God wants us to. After all God gave us the planet to do as we please. No commandment against bio-engineering.
