> T H R E A D . T H E M E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9xoUIP9g54
> M A Y ' S . C A B I N E T
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36785814
> S P E C T A T O R
http://www.spectator.co.uk/
> L A T E S T . S P E C T A T O R . P R I N T
http://dropcanvas.com/c2g42
![jarvis1-287288[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cRmFHiJ.jpg "jarvis1-287288[1].jpg")
First for Dan "the Man" Jarvis.
second for anglosphere
>>81383517
>yfw he's backing anglea "screaming" eagle
MoS today.
Wew.
>>81383517
Dan Jarvis?
Yeah I know him by that name. Hell, I worked with him in Afghan. Back then we called him 'Paki Pulveriser' Jarvis because he never came out of a tunnel without a scalp, an ear, or covered with blood.
Most would call him insane, but that is why the Paras trained him. They saw potential. It wasn't until they learned his methods that they truly realised what a monster they created.
You see, most guys that go tunnel clearing take guns. Not Dan. No, he took knives, clubs, hatchets, sometimes nothing but his bare hands. After a few missions I got a chance to talk to him in the mess. He was wearing his blood stained hat, sunglasses, and combat fatigues, smoking a cigarette and drinking Johnny Walker black. It was contraband, but you NEVER told Dan what he could and couldn't do.
I asked him why he never took guns with him. He lowered is head and took a long slow draw from his hand rolled cig, pulled off his sun glasses and looked me right in the eyes, piercing my soul.
"I do it out of respect. Respect for the white race. These goat fucker scum bags don't deserve the mercy of a British made bullet, but the slow torturous death of the hands of a British man!"
In a flash he pulled out his weathered, but razor sharp knife and stopped just short of sticking my gut.
"The look in their eyes when I slip this baby into their swollen, curry filled bellies is reason enough. To see the last lights flick off in their heads as they see a real killer work."
These new breads are so nice to look at, can we do this more often lads?
Also cheers for the spectator link chap
>>81383625
Fuck, really? That's a shame.
He seems like a really likeable guy.
>>81383832
I agree, having the same old news links that didn't get updated got stale.
>>81383650
Kek.
Make a flag bearer for the different sections of voters during the eu ref.
You know what I'm talking about? The one with "confused elders/memers"
Someone post the pic
>>81384072
Here you go lad. Too lazy to make a flag bearer pic though.
>>81383708
Davis is so fucking based
>>81383832
get a sub 2bh
>>81384045
It's so pleasant and aesthetically pleasing.
>>81384129
"Confused elders"
Gets me everytime
>you have to attend other proms to get last night tickets
Damn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLKSDT_2zPA
1st for slightly-based May
>>81384304
>aesthetic
>not A E S T H E T I C
Lads how butthurt were those scots last thread.
>>81384188
Getting my wife to get me one for my birthday
>>81384471
A E S T H E T I C
What are your life goals lads? Just curious.
I want to be an army doctor for about 10 years, then move into the NHS until my 40-50s, and then hopefully try and get elected as an MP.
>>81384471
S O . B E A U T I F U L
>>81384586
Historian, foreign office, maybe an MP at some point
Nigel in 1993:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fyXmT1j6lQ
He used to have a much thicker poshness to his accent. Do you think he dropped it deliberately in order to appeal to the common man?
>>81384471
>>81384586
>finish med school
>join the Conservative party
>become neurologist/neurosurgeon
>save for a good 25 years
>pop out 6 kids
>buy a stately home in the countryside
>become an MP
>subvertly uncuck British politics
>sit in front of the fire and drink whisky
Tbqh
>>81384586
>graduate with my maths degree
>any job but being a banker
>find a qt bf
>>81384726
Dealing with the common man is propably also part of it
>>81384586
>finish uni with a master of science in rocket engineering
>go to usa if trump wins, to britain if kebab removal starts or many other countries
>get 3+ kids
>build my own giant house in traditional architecture with rooms for tons of hobbies
>>81382375
Not American and 0% Scottish,
but my grandfather served in the Argyl & Sutherlands in WW1 (and after).
He was from Lincolnshire but under age and his parents wouldn't give their permission for him to sign up. So he ran away to Scotland where they'd take anybody.
>pic not him but looks like same studio as family album photo.
/blog tl;dr, like Aussies and Canucks, Scots are fucking useless voters but they're great people.
>>81384691
I love history. Good luck lad.
>>81384898
>Basically my goal as well
I'll see you on the cabinet m8
>>81385054
Why not become a banker?
>>81384726
If only the Conservatives were proper euro-sceptics then Farage and Moggy might be on the backbenches together.
>>81384726
I disagree, he was just younger, he has that gruffness of someone who's had to put up with a decade of MEP bullshit now.
>>81385378
>Why not become a banker?
I hate London and the stress is said to be immense, with stupid hours and workloads. I already get stressed out over uni, let alone a real job.
I'll take a lower paid job for a life a little more relaxed.
>>81384586
>police officer
>AFO or Detective
>Counter terrorism?
recently dropped out of uni and currently NEET so not sure how this is going to go.
>>81384586
Have a family of my own desu.
>>81385547
You're right.
>>81384586
>tfw lost the lottery and was born into County Down, NI as a Catholic surrounded by taigs and other catlicks
>want to join the army on the random off chance we go to war with the muzzies
>christian, protestant GF won't let me
>just want to serve Her Maj and sing God Save the Queen
JUST
>>81385396
Farage and Moggy dream team tbqh.
>>81385547
Become a quant. With your degree they won't let you be a banker anyway.
quant is easy, big money with comparatively little risk or responsibility.
You'd probably need a Masters in Finance/Econometrics (competing against Physics PhDs).
>>81384586
Don't have one lad, having sex would be an achievement at this point. Not motivated by money or fame. I've never had a clue what I wanted to do, even back in school.
>>81385788
Would probably join the army right now if I didn't have a GF. Living with her and have a years contract on our flat, couldn't just leave her on her own.
>>81386026
Do your duty for God, Queen and Country.
>>81386026
>tfw no gf
>>81384586
>Finish my PhD, hopefully by the end I'll stop regretting having ever started
>Get the hell out of academe and into business
>High-tech, wherever the innovation is
>Once I know smart people push for venture capital
>Breakout company in quantum technologies
That's the current plan.
>>81384586
I run a software company, export to the US, Europe, Japan mainly, so most of my income is in foreign currency, all my employees are in the UK (really glad about the £ drop!)
Next product hopefully generates a mid 6 figure revenue, I'm lone shareholder and director, we don't owe very much, alright, we'll be corporation taxed but corporation tax in UK isn't so bad.
I live like a student atm, my employees work from home, we don't have office space. Plan to keep it that way. I'll put anything I can save and we don't have to reinvest into the next project into Vanguard S&P 500 indexes, hopefully they increase 7% per year after inflation. Obvs I'll get taxed on that but still.
It's not unfathomable that the company could make 7 digits in dollars next year, but based on our valuation 6 digits is more likely. But product 2 should hopefully make 7 digits and is already planned. Development cycle is ~3 years.
By age 30 I want to be have 7 figures in my personal account. Dunno then, I don't really think about how I want to spend it. I mean, I want a nice house and a Tesla, but other than that I want to just keep doing what I'm doing. Honestly, I'd rather use it as VC seed money and help fund businesses in the UK, I feel like we don't have enough investors here like in Silicon Valley.
If things went absolutely ideally I'd make enough money to make a real difference in seeding companies in neuroscience, bionics, quantum computing, graphene, nanotechnology (particularly in medical applications) and renewable energy, as I think these (plus space travel/self driving vehicles/hyperloops/AI which are already covered by other VCs) are going to be the bastions on which the eventual freedom from toil of the human race will eventually be built.
>The ConservativeHome blog rates Rees-Mogg as one of the Conservatives' most rebellious MPs.[22] He has voted against the government whip on the Fixed-term Parliaments Bill, the October 2011 European Union Referendum Motion and the House of Lords Reform Bill 2012.[23]
>He also helped filibuster the Daylight Saving Bill 2010–12 and the Sustainable Livestock Bill 2010–12, thus preventing their passage through Parliament. In his long speech on the Sustainable Livestock Bill, he recited poetry; spoke of the superior quality of Somerset eggs, and mentioned the fictional pig, the Empress of Blandings, who won silver at the Shropshire County Show three years in a row, before moving on to talk about the sewerage system and the Battle of Agincourt.[21][24][25][26] He also attempted to amend the Daylight Saving Bill to give the county of Somerset its own time zone, 15 minutes behind London.[27]
>In a debate on London Local Authorities Bill on 7 December 2011, he said that council officials who have the power to issue on-the-spot fines should be forced to wear bowler hats.[28][29]
>>81386009
>quant is easy, big money
Uhm, no. To even get an interview you'll need a phd in math or physics, or an outstanding reputation (say a top 200 putnam finish).
Hedge funds have been taking more and more passive approaches, and "seeking alpha" is becoming incredibly difficult, even for the very best and brightest.
As a quant you also don't get payed much compared to mba's in compartive positions. And those guys are half your IQ and work half as hard as you
>>81386351
Or I just might just quant until I have enough money to start something. Got to put this PhD to use somehow.
>>81386371
Has there ever been a man so based?
I love Moggy so much.
>>81386009
>>81386394
No way I'm good enough to be a quant.
I got into the maths tripos at Cambridge but I'm eternally stuck at the lowest end of the 2i band.
>>81386394
btw, what is Canada like these days? And what do they think of Brexit?
>>81384726
They laughed at him for more than two decades...until the day, hour, and minute that he actually won.
I get the feeling that the other parties and constituencies have gradually gotten over their 'denial' stage of the grieving process. This man is proof that a determined individual, through his own will and grit, can make a difference through the democratic process.
>>81386586
It's so weird. The Cons are unlikely to give him a position in the gov (despite his immense talent) because he is supposedly 'too posh' for the public - irrespective of the fact that the public find him endearing
>>81384586
I want to start a business (probably a restaurant but I can't cook) and I'd like to get the confidence to perform either/both stand up or music live
>>81386681
beeeeel
>>81386765
The Cons are full of talent but none of it is on the front bench.
>>81385547
Fair enough. Maths is a pretty versatile degree anyway, you shouldn't have any problems.
>>81386026
I'm assuming you're NEET.
Get a job, if you have a degree or other qualifications then get something related to that, if not then get into a trade like carpentry, plumbing, etc., or service like cooking or retail.
Get some hobbies, make friends through hobbies and work. If you don't have any goals then just try and enjoy and make the most of your life.
You'll eventually find something that you think is your "purpose".
In terms of having sex/getting a girlfriend, don't be afraid of rejection and put yourself out there more lad.
>>81386843
D A V I D
A
V
I
S
>>81386586
>>81386765
The Tories know that they have an image problem, but they think it's a different problem to the one it actually is; they fear it's that their MPs come across as too posh, but it's actually that MPs IN GENERAL don't seem to really give a shit about their constituents and are quite aloof.
Jacob absolutely does give a shit and he really doesn't talk down to people, therefore he would be welcomed and loved if he was in the Cabinet.
>>81384129
>Confused Elders/Meme lords
r/europe, r/unitedkingdom,anglophobes and EUphiles BTFO by Australia
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/754457150500601858
>>81386817
Indeed. It's also a badly underrated scene in the entire history of cinema. There's so much going on with Thurmond's character, her mind. There's incredible subtlety. I notice something different every time I watch it.
https://youtu.be/flpxujAPNYE
>I can torrent Spectator magazines
Is nothing sacred?
>>81387107
Based Aussies.
>>81387013
>made over a million £ at 16 and paid his own fees fro Eton
Wew. Moggy you madman.
>>81387107
The funny thing is, if this was posted on /r/UK it would be heavily downvoted and the submitter would probably be banned from there, as has literally happened in the past few weeks.
>>81386484
>>81386009
>>81386394
>Quant
Stop fucking spouting this abbreviated shite
Use proper language so that us non-/biz/ faggots know what the hell you are talking about
Farage is on LBC again tomorrow when Hopkins should be on
>>81384586
>Just finished University with a First Class in Computing
>Starting job at 180,000 strong IT company as a Project Analyst
>Hope to eventually move over to IBM or somewhere equally well respected as a Project Manager
>Speak French fluently
>Have a wonderful family ;_;
>Achieve grade 8 on piano
>Make gains
>Hike around the world
>Get a regular readership on my politics site
>Maybe transition into a job related to politics
>>81386356
Very interesting stuff. How long have you had your company?
I agree with your last paragraph, those areas of science are going to expand a lot in our lifetimes. Good luck.
>>81386805
Just practice as much as possible, once you're confident in your abilities then you'll be able to perform without a worry. I used to do a lot of drama, the stagefright/nerves disappeared once I felt confident in my abilities.
>>81387107
Fucking excellent.
>>81387532
Don't pester him with memes, lads - he may become startled and never host it again
>>81387408
Don't worry - nothing other than fucking about with fiat and contributing to the demise of these blasted markets.
>>81387408
I first learned what a quant was reading a visual novel about stock market trading on the moon anon. I don't go to /biz/.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_analyst
Someone who uses mathematics in finance basically.
>>81387087
Exactly. People don't care that he's posh, especially since he doesn't try to pretend that he isn't. I like him because he actually gives a shit and has some principles. When he says something I actually believe he means it. Nobody gives a fuck that he doesn't live on the same planet as the rest of us. In fact it's admirable that someone like him is one of the few MPs who isn't completely out of touch with his constituents.
Parliament needs more like him and less of the faggots on the front benches.
>>81386924
Surprisingly I'm not a NEET, I'm studying history at uni but it's just not for me, I never really wanted to go anyway, but I am good at the subject. I can't drop out with one year left so I'll get through that, fuck knows what I'll do then though. My hobbies are pretty solitary (running, reading, film) unfortunately. Feels like I've been left behind.
>>81384586
>Finish uni with qualifications to become a history teacher.
>Join army
>Leave army after serving for 10+ years
>Get comfy job teaching history to teenagers while recounting stories of being in the army to them.
>Maybe politics after 20+ years of teaching
>Or maybe just retire and watch my children and grandkids grow up
Why in heavens name was Liz Truss promoted? She doesn't seem particularly competent at all
>>81386394
I bow to your probably much more up to date experience. My quant days were 20 years ago. Back then, anyone who could write an Excel macro & take a partial derivative could be a quant.
I moved on to fund management (and then to test piloting hammocks) but can't say I was overly impressed by the quality of quants I encountered in latter years.
"triple-A rated, super senior tranche, MBS" chortle.
>>81388680
>>81388680
Because she's got a cunt.
>>81384586
>develop self-publishing business
>get aesthetically /fit/
>find waifu
>get isolated smallholding
>become as self-sufficient as possible
>arm myself
>have 3+ kids
>send them to private school
>instill strong identity in them
>live the literary lifestyle creating Christian traditionalist alt right friendly /lit/
>do what I can for God, Queen and country
>>81387624
>move over to IBM
Heard it's a really shit place to work nowadays
>>81387711
Incorporated under 2 years ago. Not trading yet. Been funded since the start (and was working on it before the incorporation).
I make video games (coder, designer, project manager, I'm the only one with access to the build basically). Obvs not /pol/s favourite job being in "indie" games, but I've always been an achievement whore PC gaming, nintendo nerd and my target audience is very /v/, I make hard games, not indie darlings.
It's possible we could go bankrupt but realistically, we're probs going to do well, the game is genuinely super fun, and we got a lot of funding and backing from big names, and it's releasing on all major consoles.
Does George Fergusson (the governor of Bermuda) have the most Eternal Anglo face ever?
>>81388054
You can surprisingly do quite a bit with history. Politics, journalism, publishing, etc. It's about the skills it gives you as much as it's about the content.
I know how you feel about feeling left behind, felt like that from age 16-19 when I was pretty reclusive.
I'm just going to assume you're in the same position I was and just give you advice based on what I did.
Join some societies at university. Not sure what societies your unviersity has, but I'm sure there'll be a running club, literature society, politics society (Conservative Association isn't bad, even in the most liberal universities), debating, film society, and plenty more. Go to your freshers fair or whatever, and find stuff you're into.
You'll meet a lot of new people, most of whom are in the same boat as you. Get to know them better and make new friends and possibly a girlfriend.
Maybe you've already done this in previous years but if not, go for it.
Interview with the RAF on Tuesday, trying to get in as a Regimental Gunner. Anyone else in the process of joining?
>>81388464
>>81388838
Godspeed lads.
>>81389004
Impressive stuff. Best of luck with your upcoming projects.
>>81388147
Saudis are innocent!!!
>>81389262
cracking good image, that.
>>81389262
>ROI will never join the UK or Commonwealth
>>81389262
Will be entering hopefully as Fast Jet pilot a few years down the line, after uni
>>81388904
Possibly, I haven't spoke to many people who work there yet. The ones I did were there to sell the job to me anyway so they wouldn't have been super truthful.
>>81383554
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>81389262
>>81389433
Exactly what I'm planning to do as well lad
>>81387624
>Achieve grade 8 on piano
>Speak French fluently
Also these! Every decade I say, I'll be fluent by 30. Now it's 40... Plus I'd like to become a councillor one day. And a church official.
>>81388464
If I stay at the same standard of fitness I'm at now I could easily meet the fitness criteria for paras
>>81386026
same lad
>>81389262
>RAF Regiment
top kek
>>81389262
Not RAF, gonna try to become a combat medic technician though Anon.
Gonna go and join as soon as my A Levels show how smart I am, if I got a good score, might as well go with medical corps, if not, gonna become normal infantry.
>18 and representing country
feels fresh lads
10 hour version when. Getting sick of rewinding every 2:24 desu lads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiYZ_7g0hh4
Whoever makes the next thread should put this in the OP, I'll try to find more links
>BRITAIN ALREADY HAS 10 TRADE DEALS LINED UP WITH ECONOMIC POWERHOUSES
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/690191/Britain-ten-Brexit-trade-deals-lined-up-economic-powerhouses
How much would our political class be improved if all MPs had to have served in the armed forces?
>>81384586
>Finish history degree
>Serve in the army for a stint
>Get married and start a family
>Write in my spare time
Then I'm not sure, give me some advice brit/pol/, either:
>Join the police force then apply to be a criminal investigator
>Do a PGCE and teach secondary history
>Do something in journalism
Or who knows.
>Then later settle down in the country with a small farm.
>>81389262
>Regimental Gunner
If you want to do infantry stuff, join the army You soft cunt
>>81390343
Probably worse off. Lads like Moggy wouldn't be an MP for example.
>>81383650
>Irn-Bru
what flavor is that anyway?
>>81390063
http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=CiYZ_7g0hh4
>>81390491
Officer class la
>>81390486
I'm so high
Is this real?
>>81390502
Every American that tastes it says bubblegum even though it's clearly not.
>>81389975
How amazing does it feel to have a country to represent again?
>I, [anon], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwGX7ftBoo
>>81390343
Jo Cox would have countered her attacker, neutralising him.
The attack itself has the same impact as if she had died, but with the addition of her still being able to campaign and use this harrowing story, Remain wins.
Freddos are then banned under Sharia law
>>81390307
>MAY DENIES SECOND SCOTTISH REFERENDUM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/no-appetite-for-second-independence-referendum-warns-scottish-se/
>>81390559
Anyone else think Miliband's wife is butthole-lickable?
>>81390659
desu that's why I'm pleased with brexit
I wasn't going to enter the forces if we didn't leave, which would have really buggered my life plans because both avenues rely on me joining the forces
>>81390754
>>81390559
stop posting you fucking losers, embarrassment to the country
>>81390630
try the website and find out lad
>>81390744
mundell is a retard but he's right here
>>81390744
>PEDO FARRON UPSET THAT LEADSOM DOESNT WANT HIM TO DIDDLE KIDS
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2016-07-15/farron-leadsom-should-be-sacked-for-stupid-paedophile-comments/
>>81390758
>Anyone else think Miliband's wife is butthole-lickable?
Ed Miliband?
...
Dave Miliband?
>>81390637
Okay, I've never tried it, what flavor is it then?
>>81383554
I hope that green and orange isn't for us.
>>81389088
Moseley is already the archetype of Eternal Anglo, he's like the platonic ideal of beady eyes. Any face not 100% identical is, by definition, a pale imitation.
Why are such non-entities running for the Labour leadership, lads?
>>81390954
Nah, it's for the Ivory Coast. We're taking back Africa.
DEUS FUCKING VULT
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/754487213946273792
>>81390659
>>I, [anon], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
God Save the Queen lads.
>>81390733
but jo would never have served so wouldnt be there to kill
>>81390862
>the milk was for luring children
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
>>81390953
It tastes like metal girders, but like grinded up into a fizzy drink. I drink four cans a day to get my regular iron intake.
>>81389088
I had to live there for a few months and it was like island Rhodesia.
>>81390921
whichever one is pictured.
>>81391086
>>81391191
>this is now the party of Walpole, Burke and Gladstone
Feels bad, man
How ripe are the Lib Dems for entryism, lads?
I feel like we could make them into a respectable centrist nationalist party quite easily given how weak and shitty the leaders are
>>81391191
>kill me
>>81391077
Same principle I suppose, you Sasanaigh love taking shit that isn't yours.
>>81390845
You know full well that's not going to happen anon.
>>81391465
>WHIG ME UP INSIDE
>CAN'T WHIG UP
>>81391055
They lack any sort of vision or plan for society. It seems that all the candidates for Labour leader would keep the status quo with air more public spending.
>>81391304
They're unironically campaigning on a 2nd referendum platform. Just let them go gentle into that good night.
>>81391473
Almost as much as potato-niggers love crying about it.
>>81391473
>Sasanaigh love taking shit that isn't yours
White man's burden lad.
>>81391191
>not even whole milk
>>81390063
>Right click
>Loop
Your welcome.
>>81391747
>>81391785
>muh empire
>muh whiteness
>muh #TakeControl
Suez was 60 years ago fellas, time to move on.
>>81391297
>>81391086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11-37Me_a4
For God, Queen and Country!
>>81392049
Fuck off you copper top.
>>81391055
Labour has lost all credibility. Most of it was Remain and it turns out a large portion of their voters voted to Leave. Then Tony "Blood for the Blood God" Blair and his underlings were murdered by Chilcot. All that's left is a sad leftist retard who is totally unelectable in a general election.
>>81392049
potato famine
>>81391249
The only people in my (ex) line of business who got divorced were those posted to Bermuda. Wives have nothing to do except get drunk around the pool competing to see who has the best "my husband the asshole" story.
Literally like the Four Tranny Yorkshiremen sketch.
>>81391473
>Ireland fights for centuries for independence
>is now a province on Europe, dependent financial on the EU and flooding itself with immigrants, wiping out the native population
You could wire a generator to Michael Collins grave and generate enough electricity to power an infinite amount of potato rotavators forever.
>>81392049
Nothing wrong with taking pride in your nation. Just because half of all great Irish people identified as British doesn't mean you should look up to the likes of Seamus Coleman and Robbie Keane.
>>81392049
Fuck off taig.
>>81390486
>It's better than being a paedophile
The fuck?
>>81392049
800 years a slave nation.
Not even the Africans were that weak. Sad country honestly.
>>81392049
>time to move on
It's not us you need to convince anon.
>Hong Kong
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/hong-kong-03142013141313.html
>Jamaica
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2009487/We-stayed-Britain-Shock-poll-reveals-60-Jamaicans-think-theyd-better-colony.html
>Fiji
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/fiji/9718245/Fijis-tribal-chiefs-slam-decision-to-remove-Queen-from-currency.html
>New Zealand
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78243537/Flag-referendum-results-Kiwis-vote-to-retain-the-current-New-Zealand-flag
>>81392049
Brexit was the sensible admission of our own irrelevance. We chose to be a self-governing quaint has-been rather than desperately trying to cling onto world influence through the EU (at the expense of parliamentary self-government).
>>81388464
Nice one, m8.
>>81392346
It's frightening to see how merchant brainwashed they have become over the past 10 or 20 years.
Any Irish who've been anywhere near a university firmly believe that every priest is a paedophile.
I'm as anti-Papist as the next Paisley, but come one.
>>81392575
>sensible admission of our own irrelevance
The exact opposite. The EU is a dying entity that was holding back the UK.
>>81392161
>>81392195
>>81392386
>>81392411
>This triggers the Brit
I knew you were a shower of sensitive sallys about losing the empire and generally not being relevant anymore but going full Tourettes I didn't quite expect.
>>81392346
The Proclamation of the Irish Republic (1916) makes explicit reference to "our gallant allies in Europe". It was de Valera that was backwards and isolationist, Collins and the Cumann na nGaedheal types were much more internationalist.
Your characterisation of the EU is also complete bollocks, but I've come to expect it from Brits. Easily the most un-redpilled people on the planet, like you're living in a parallel universe where the UK is relevant unto itself on the global stage.
>>81392430
>Scotland
>Northern Ireland
>Gibraltar
>London
Yeah in fairness Jamaica is definitely worth all of them, good lad and fair play.
What's up with /pol/ wanting ww3 to happen?
It's not going to happen every country knows it
>>81392849
Nah mate. Enoch Powell was right when he concluded that Britain was no longer a genuine great power after the loss of India. Everything since then has been desperate flailing (Suez, EEC entry)
>>81393042
>1 post by this ID
>>81392995
The Recucklic of Ireland
>>81393140
What does this meme mean?
>>81383305
>>81393042
They want to go out in a blaze of glory, but will most likely get their shit kicked in.
If you look at this thread you can see a large number of people are considering joining the armed forces. Personally, it's partly because I think it'll be a good experience, and so if a war does kick off, I'm not conscripted for the front lines.
>>81392995
You'll nnever take Jamaica back fuck off redleg
>>81392995
> Your characterisation of the EU is also complete bollocks
How so? The goal is federalism. Ireland will be about as autonomous and independent as the state of Maine by the time they're finished.
>>81392995
>N.I
In your dream, Paddy.
>>81384586
>Finish my Logistics Degree
>Hopefully do the year in industry if I can find a company to sponsor me
>Get a job through some of the networking I have done (the course came with some good opportunities to do so).
>Earn enough to keep a roof over my head and Gundam models coming in the post
Might start a family if I meet someone who is worth the effort, otherwise im quite happy living till im old enough to be considered a wizard.
>>81392155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyqnauwmGz4
>>81392346
Yeah
Imo IRA was what broke the camel's back for good
>>81393304
Not true thank God.
>>81392411
They also didn't have a nation of half vikings right next door to fuck them up every time they felt like it
>>81393852
they should've fought harder.
>mfw people keep implying that Farage quitting was him 'jumping ship before the crash' rather than him having completed his political goals and retiring
>>81393150
Too many good men left.
>>81393150
>TRIGGERED
>>81393374
Can you even read?
>>81393384
>>is now a province on Europe, dependent financial on the EU and flooding itself with immigrants, wiping out the native population
Absolutely none of this is even close to the truth.
>How so? The goal is federalism. Ireland will be about as autonomous and independent as the state of Maine by the time they're finished.
That's an extreme view though, even among self-avowed federalists. It's fallacious to assume that represents the majority view of pro-EU types. Even the likes of Donald Tusk aren't shy about saying that the idea of doing away with Member States' governments in favour of a centralised EU state-style government is absolute unworkable fantasy, which it is.
>>81393396
Mate you can fucking keep them for all I care. You give the nordies more money per year to keep themselves afloat than you gave to the EU, we literally cannot afford that.
However if they want to leave you, which they might well do once your economy goes down the shitter in your current Suez 2.0 state, then that's another matter entirely.
>>81392995
>Scotland
>Northern Ireland
>Gibraltar
>London
Kek it's more likely that the RoI will reunify. Keep dreaming you fenian animal. They're here forever. The Spanish can have Gibraltar though, fucking traitorous cucks.
>>81394427
You are already federalised. The supreme executive, legislative and judicial authority over your """""country""""" is run from Brussels. There is no such thing as the Irish national state. It's a constitutional illusion. A regional, devolved talking shop for rubber stamping Brussels diktats.
>inb4 you try to paint it as anything else
>>81394427
> That's an extreme view though, even among self-avowed federalists.
More and more people in Europe are warming to it. It's now a majority opinion in all but a few like Ireland and the Nordic states. Unfortunately even if the Irish don't like it, it'll be forced upon them like the European Constitution was.
This thing started out as a coal and steel arrangement. Now look at it. It's been in the works for almost a century and it'll steadily roll on until they've got their federal state. The next treaty wants to take a lot more power, including more control over taxes, budget, and more areas of law. You're frogs in a pan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Europe
>>81394266
>If you vote leave, the Tory right will come to power
>The Brexiteers are jumping ship! SHAMEFUL
>Oh my god the Tory right is literally in power, DAE it'll be Victorian Britain all over again???
You can't win
>>81394819
Irish youngsters are only interested in "good craich". To be fair though, they're no more vapid than British chavs.
It just seems worse in Ireland because of their demographic profile: more young fuck-wits than old curmudgeons.
All i could find, put these in the next op
Night night
>BRITAIN ALREADY HAS 10 TRADE DEALS LINED UP WITH ECONOMIC POWERHOUSES
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/690191/Britain-ten-Brexit-trade-deals-lined-up-economic-powerhouses
>MAY RULES OUT SECOND SCOTTISH REFERENDUM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/no-appetite-for-second-independence-referendum-warns-scottish-se/
>MAY MAKES MORE MINISTERIAL CHANGES
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36811991
>UKIP LEADERSHIP CONTENDER SEVEN WOOLFE GIVES AND INTERVIEW TO BREITBART LONDON
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/14/video-exclusive-ukip-leadership-candidate-talks-raheem-kassam-party-plans-background-biggest-regrets/
>POLL: VOTERS DO NOT WANT A SECOND REFERENDUM AND SAY THERESA MAY SHOULD CONTINUE WITHOUT GENERAL ELECTION
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poll-second-eu-referendum-brexit-theresa-may-general-election-voters-a7140721.html
>>81395697
Everything seems to be going so well now
>>81383305
We will likely never have someone like Enoch Powell again.
Sucks man.
>>81388904
This. Currently working there as an Programme Support Lead, and I am starting to look for another job. Its nowhere near the quality it used to be, heck, they even managed to delay my payrise for three months.
Would recommend that you get yourself on the PRINCE2 course though, always good to have a certificate in your back pocket.
>>81395697
>>MAY MAKES MORE MINISTERIAL CHANGES
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36811991
>Anna Soubry, business minister and prominent Remain campaigner, pensions minister Baroness Altmann and justice minister Dominic Raab have left the government, No 10 said.
Thank fuck, Soubry's the worst tory MP by far
>>81394266
They're right though, it makes NO SENSE that the leader of the UK INDEPENDENCE party would quit after Britain becomes independent
>>81394973
>More and more people in Europe are warming to it. It's now a majority opinion in all but a few like Ireland and the Nordic states
Ireland is literally the most pro-EU Member State in the Union, it's hard to make a federalist bogeyman out of the continentals to us. Hell, one of the most ardent federalists in the European Parliament was Pat Cox, an Irishman.
>Unfortunately even if the Irish don't like it, it'll be forced upon them like the European Constitution was.
We never voted on the European Constitution. If you were alluding to the Treaty of Lisbon, we voted on that twice.
I see this meme around the place that that was somehow undemocratic, because for some reason referendums are only ever allowed to be held once. Fuck it, in the last thirty odd years we've had at least 7 EU referendums, 5 abortion referendums, 2 divorce referendums - are only the first ones out of all them valid?
The reason we vote on EU treaties is because we need to change our constitution to ratify them and that always requires a referendum. The EU has no way of forcing us to change our constitution - if they did, why would we have a referendum at all? What actually happened was we got spooked the first time by bullshit, Brexiteer-grade arguments (Nigel Farage actually campaigned here for the referendums), our representatives went to the EU and got a bunch of protocols added to the Treaty, and we voted on it again.
>This thing started out as a coal and steel arrangement. Now look at it.
And from the very day the Treaty of Rome was signed, something like what we have now and more was envisaged - i.e. an "ever closer union". Winston Churchill himself, hero of little englanders, called for a "United States of Europe". There wasn't some mass subterfuge like some types here suggest.
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>>81394973
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Europe
From that article:
"Other academics have argued that the EU is unlikely to evolve into a unified federal state. Kelemen (together with Andy Tarrant) has taken this view himself, arguing that limits placed on the bureaucratic capacity of the European institutions – such as the relatively small size of the European Commission – form a barrier to the creation of a federal European state. In their words: "widespread political opposition to the creation of anything approximating a large, unified executive bureaucracy in Brussels has long-since ended hopes, for the few who harbored them, of creating a European superstate."[14] Some common points in this context are that the European budget is very small and does not finance a lot of the economic activity of the European Union; that each member state of the European Union has its own foreign relations and has its own military if it so desires; that it is often the case that European Union member states decide to opt out of agreements which they oppose; and that member states still retain sovereignty over a large number of areas which might be expected to be transferred to a federal authority under a federal system. One important fact is that treaties must be agreed by all member states even if a particular treaty has support among the vast majority of the population of the European Union. Member states may also want legally binding guarantees that a particular treaty will not affect a nation's position on certain issues."
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>>81396413
>One important fact is that treaties must be agreed by all member states even if a particular treaty has support among the vast majority of the population of the European Union.
Opposite of true.
>>81396608
It's 100% true. You cannot bypass the Member States in getting EU laws passed, never mind Treaties ratified. Every Member State has to sign and ratify the Treaty or else it can't go into force.
>>81396740
If something doesn't get through in a treaty it can get through with qualified majority voting. Making the whole veto thing completely redundant.
>>81396332
>There wasn't some mass subterfuge like some types here suggest.
There certainly was in the UK. If the true nature of this institution was disclosed in 1975, we would never have joined. It was presented entirely as a trading bloc.
> it's hard to make a federalist bogeyman out of the continentals to us
It's not a boogyman, it is what it is. There's a lot of people in Europe who actually believe in this, most of all the people in charge. If you legitimately believe in it too, that's great for you. I'd rather be an independent country. Just don't pretend it somehow makes you relevant. Like I said, you're Maine. Never before have these hugely centralised superstates been a good idea.
> I see this meme around the place that that was somehow undemocratic, because for some reason referendums are only ever allowed to be held once.
Rerunning the democratic process until you get the desired result is literally the system of governance practiced by Robert Mugabe. It's your country, I don't really care how you run it.
>>81397067
I think we're getting a bit prematurely enthusiastic about the Tories tbph
>>81384586
Honestly not sure, always loved cars and want to do mechanics but at the same time i'd like to do other bigger things in relation to that field, maybe serve my country for a few years, then settle down with a nice wife, have a tonne of kids, and grow old with her
>>81397212
Doing god's work, anon
>>81395951
Britain has always produced some of the world's finest, he was one of our best but his like will come again.
>>81385349
What are those tassles that hang off the kilt?
>>81397166
QMV is for EU laws, not Treaties. They're not the same thing.
>>81397212
>There certainly was in the UK. If the true nature of this institution was disclosed in 1975, we would never have joined. It was presented entirely as a trading bloc.
Mate it was all there in plain English in the Treaty of Rome. You can't constantly blame others for your own wilful ignorance - it's your responsibility to stay informed.
>It's not a boogyman, it is what it is. There's a lot of people in Europe who actually believe in this, most of all the people in charge. If you legitimately believe in it too, that's great for you.
There are people in Europe who think Nazi Germany was the greatest thing to ever happen, and there are others who think the Soviet Union was the greatest thing to ever happen. If I constantly concerned myself with batshit, unworkable views of minorities across Europe I wouldn't get much done.
I'm not a federalist nor am I in favour of a centralised superstate. I am in favour of a supranational EU comprised of independent Member States, working more closely in certain areas than it is now and with a reformed legislative process and executive branch, but still fundamentally the same - i.e. comprised of the Council (representing the Member States), the Commission (representing the EU) and the Parliament (representing the people of Europe) with most of the work done at Member State-level.
>Rerunning the democratic process until you get the desired result is literally the system of governance practiced by Robert Mugabe. It's your country, I don't really care how you run it.
They can't force us to vote in a particular way. If the people don't want it, they could run the referendum 100 times and it still won't get through.
Lisbon wasn't an identical referendum anyway. The proposed constitutional amendment enabling ratification was different the second time round and the Lisbon Treaty itself was different due to the new protocols added.
>>81397694
Just sporran ornaments AFIK.
Porridge wogs might have more info:
used to restrain pretty sheep?
>>81393850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwzjlmBLfrQ
>>81398061
>I am in favour of a supranational EU comprised of independent Member States, working more closely in certain areas than it is now and with a reformed legislative process and executive branch, but still fundamentally the same - i.e. comprised of the Council (representing the Member States), the Commission (representing the EU) and the Parliament (representing the people of Europe) with most of the work done at Member State-level.
What gives you any semblance of hope that any of this will happen? Is there anything the EU has done which indicates it might be capable of significant reform?
>>81398108
>used to restrain pretty sheep?
why are Americans so bad at getting stereotypes right?
That's the Welsh lad.
>>81398681
Well it's reformed the fundamentals of how it works this many times over the last 30 years:
>Single European Act
>Maastricht Treaty
>Amsterdam Treaty
>introduction of the euro
>Nice Treaty
>Lisbon Treaty
>Fiscal Compact Treaty
That's more significant constitutional reform in 30 years than the UK has managed in the last 100 years. It's definitely capable of more change. When and how it actually does it is another matter.
>>81398061
> I'm not a federalist nor am I in favour of a centralised superstate.
If you're still open to further integration, what's the point where you'd become unhappy with it? The 5 presidents report which outlines the basis for the next treaty involves substantially more integration and surrendering of sovereignty. Are you happy with the proposals in there?
> unworkable views of minorities
I told you, this isn't a minority view across Europe. Page 151.
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb81/eb81_publ_en.pdf
> Mate it was all there in plain English in the Treaty of Rome. You can't constantly blame others for your own wilful ignorance - it's your responsibility to stay informed.
In 1975 there was no internet. There was no easy access to actually read the treaty. The government willfully misrepresented the treaty, and even withheld the advice from the attorney general (to the public) at the time which warned that the treaty might actually be illegal because Parliament is not permitted to give away its own power.
>>81397694
Sporran. It's traditional not to wear underwear with a kilt (true), so the sporran's to stop it flying up and scaring the sheep (presumably). Scotland is a rather windy place.
>Regimental march of the last private army in Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6Cm8tiv_s
>>81399000
I guess we think of reform in different ways. Centralising more and more power isn't the kind of reform I'm talking about.
>>81398061
>QMV is for EU laws, not Treaties. They're not the same thing.
qmv as a treaty introduction was designed and used to pass articles unpopular in treaties. The later the treaty the more areas have become issues for qmv rather than treaty.
>>81399034
>If you're still open to further integration, what's the point where you'd become unhappy with it? The 5 presidents report which outlines the basis for the next treaty involves substantially more integration and surrendering of sovereignty. Are you happy with the proposals in there?
Haven't looked at it tbqhwym8. Speaking from general principles, I'd be against more power being moved to the Parliament (because that screws over small countries that naturally have fewer representatives there), I'd be in favour of reducing the power of the Council to stop German leaders being de facto European leaders, I'd be wary of unified EU armed forces and I'd be flat out against tax rate harmonisation (though ok with tax base consolidation).
>I told you, this isn't a minority view across Europe. Page 151.
I see 46%? Even then, it's a federation of Nation States they're talking about. I could live with that tbqh so long as the institutions of the Member States survived and functioned. It's the dismantling of Member State institutions and sending them to Brussels I'm against.
Even then, that's pie in the sky stuff. You absolutely could not get that by most European countries' populations. Nice, the European Constitution and Lisbon barely weathered the public debate and they weren't 1% as radical as a federalist superstate is.
>In 1975 there was no internet. There was no easy access to actually read the treaty. The government willfully misrepresented the treaty,
That all sounds like it a fuck up on the UK's end, not the EU's, to me.
>>81383554
A FUCKING LEAF. MAKE THAT A CROWN OR 3 LIONS NOW.
>>81399206
>>81399206
This is part of Article 1 of the Treaty on European Union (aka the Maastricht Treaty):
>This Treaty marks a new stage in the process of creating an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe, in which decisions are taken as openly as possible and as closely as possible to the citizen.
>in which decisions are taken as openly as possible and as closely as possible to the citizen.
That second half of the sentence is known as the Principle of Subsidiarity - i.e. by default, power is exercised by the Member States and only when absolutely necessary is power exercised by the Union. That governs the whole legislative agenda of the Union as a whole and it's pretty much the opposite of centralisation.
>>81399422
That doesn't make any sense. You can't pass individual articles of Treaties.
It makes it easier to get EU laws through the Council, where each country has only one representative. Unanimity became unworkable when the EU enlarged to eventually include 28 Member States, as only one veto would torpedo the whole fucking process. QMV was a necessary change.
Even then, it still needs to be voted on by the Parliament and they are directly-elected by the people. It's still a bitch to get something unpopular passed.
>>81400039
>I'd be against more power being moved to the Parliament (because that screws over small countries that naturally have fewer representatives there), I'd be in favour of reducing the power of the Council to stop German leaders being de facto European leaders, I'd be wary of unified EU armed forces and I'd be flat out against tax rate harmonisation (though ok with tax base consolidation).
It doesn't matter what you think. The EU is not a democracy. You have literally no democratic influence over it. Give up your dreams of what you want your political constitution to be. It is not and never will be what you want it to be.
>>81400138
>>81398061
I have come in late to this chat but in my opinion the problem with Europe is that the old men running it want to see the superstate before they die. This rush is what it causing all the problems, it forces people to follow rules they have not voted for which is the catalyst that caused Brexit and will lead to the divide of Europe once again, it is the first sign's of a dictatorship plain and simple. The superstate process should take potentially centuries to complete not just a few decades. People need time to adapt and see the pros along with the EU adapting to the many changes member nations and the world has gone through and respect national identity instead of ignoring and aggravating it.
The only way to fix the EU is a De-evolution of power turning the commission/parliament from forcing rules to advising nations on 'common good rules' that should be followed. The trade tariff blockade also needs to be torn down and Europe needs to trade and compete globally in a two way street instead of keeping its economy contained which is what has crippled the Euro.
After some time and restructuring that allows the people to punish those who make the rules with a system that is as democratic and supported as possible only then should the EU superstate program proceed.
>>81400520
>made up of Member States who must be democracies in order to accede
>Council = directly-elected leaders (presidents, PMs etc) of Member States
>Parliament = directly-elected MEPs
>Commission = appointed by directly-elected Member State governments and voted on by directly-elected MEPs, can be removed by two-thirds majority vote by MEPs
>"""not a democracy"""
I'll give you this: it's certainly not a sovereign state. It's not even close to a state. It doesn't have half the powers that sovereign states typically have - e.g. it can't raise its own taxes, it commands no armed forces, it has no head of state or prime minister, it has no finance minister, it doesn't preclude its Member States from having a foreign policy etc.
>You have literally no democratic influence over it.
Except for our representation on the European Council, the Council of Ministers, the Commission and the Parliament. Zero representation. Got it.
>Give up your dreams of what you want your political constitution to be
>It is not and never will be what you want it to be.
As I've said earlier, this is already 95% in place.
>>81400039
>Nice, the European Constitution and Lisbon barely weathered the public debate and they weren't 1% as radical as a federalist superstate is.
Which is why they're not doing it in one obvious swoop. The next treaty won't be the United States of Europe treaty, it'll just involve a little more integration and a little more centralisation. As they've been doing since the days of coal and steel union, they'll tack it on bit by bit. It seems the next thing they're focusing on is fiscal policy.
I don't think they'll ever dismantle all the member state institutions. Some level of local government is always necessary. What matters is the powers they'll have by the time the process is over.
>>81400999
What you described is not democracy. It's not a democracy. The executive and legislators are not directly elected. End of story.
>>81400999
>As I've said earlier, this is already 95% in place.
You've been brainwashed if you think the EU is in any way an acceptable constitutional form. It is intolerable for enlightened, intelligent free men. Fit only for low information subhuman slaves.
>Except for our representation on the European Council, the Council of Ministers, the Commission and the Parliament.
None of which you directly elected except the Parliament, which is a rubber stamp, a constitutional model only seen once before in history - the USSR House of Representatives. The only office that matters is the EC, since they are the executive and legislators. They are appointed not elected, a constitutional model only seen once before in history - the USSR Politburo.
>>81400812
I get what you're saying but a lot of its current problems are caused by lack of integration where it's badly needed. The euro is the classic example - it absolutely needs a transfer payments set up to balance the PIIGS with the Germanys and Netherlands but that's politically impossible to get by the German electorate. The alternative is to get rid of the euro and go back to our pounds, pesetas, francs and deutschmarks, but nobody wants that currency exchange nightmare back either.
I honestly think the EU's biggest problem is not a democracy deficit (though it could be better), more a "communications deficit". They are terrible at explaining just what it is they do and how they do it that it's easy for Member State politicians to ascribe every and any bad thing that happens to some ficitious lefty man-hating Muslim eurocrat issuing diktats from Brussels.
>>81401129
You're not far off. The whole way they went about this was through piecemeal social engineering, i.e. each incremental change would create the desire for further incremental change and so forth. I'm ok with that to an extent. If we're going to create a "United States of Europe", we should do it à la carte - choose what works and makes sense, dump what we don't like. We don't have to be exactly like them nor do we have to be a superstate. The supranational structure could be maintained, even with closer integration.
>>81401182
>The executive and legislators are not directly elected.
Can you read? The legislators are directly-elected. The executive is indirectly-elected but that's the case for most democracies.
>>81400999
>leader is appointed by yes men
>democracy
try again
>>81401686
>The legislators are directly-elected. The executive is indirectly-elected but that's the case for most democracies.
No and no.
Look at Westminster.
>people elect MPs
>MPs form Parliament (legislature)
>Largest party in Parliament forms Government (executive)
Simple. Comprehensible by the lowest information, lowest IQ pleb. Democracy.
EU.
>people elect MEPs
>MEPs form Parliament
>unelected bureaucrats form EC (executive and legislature)
Not a democracy.
>>81384586
>go to college stateside for economics
>study abroad one year in bongland
>do masters/doctorate in bongland
>become bong citizen
>acquire gf
>marry and have a lot of kids
>raise them in bongland
>die
>buried in bong soil
>>81401686
>The legislators are directly-elected.
This is not true. You have been misled. Who do you think writes legislation in the EU?
>>81401685
>None of which you directly elected except the Parliament
The Council is made up of directly-elected heads of government and the Council of Ministers is made up of directly-elected government ministers. So that's three out of the four main EU institutions.
>The only office that matters is the EC, since they are the executive and legislators
Then how the fuck is Angela Merkel running the show? She sits on the Council and hates Juncker, yet absolutely dominates the agenda.
The Council is where most of the power resides as most of the power is in the hands of the Member States.
>>81401961
>>81401967
Yes and yes, and simple does not necessarily equal best. Your "simple" voting system - FPTP - is hideously unrepresentative, allowing a party a majority of seats with 37% of the vote.
Here's how it actually works:
>People elect MEPs and national governments
>MEPs form European Parliament
>Parties in European Parliament propose European Commission President candidates, vote on them
>national governments each nominate one Commissioner
>MEPs vote on whether to approve Commission or not
>MEPs can also vote to remove Commission at a later point
Indeed a democracy.
>>81402329
If you're talking about power of initiative, that resides with the Commission by default. EU legislative procedure can be a bit Byzantine though so that's a simplification.
>>81402440
>Indeed a democracy.
No it's not.
>Angela Merkel running the show
That's not something I would boast about.
>three out of the four main EU institutions
None of which write legislation.
>>81402906
>>Indeed a democracy.
>No it's not.
That dismissal out of hand sure convinced me.
>>Angela Merkel running the show
>That's not something I would boast about.
I'm not boasting, it pisses me off. Member States have too much way at the EU via the Council. I'd rather a bit more power was shifted to the Parliament to balance it out and prevent it becoming a Franco-German hegemony - especially with the Brits, our natural allies in Europe, after committing national suicide.
>>three out of the four main EU institutions
>None of which write legislation.
They don't initiate it, but that's not the same as not writing it. They're all involved in writing it.
>>81402906
>That's not something I would boast about.
This.
Are people actually proud or supporting the fact some fat, ugly bitch is running the EU and importing billions of ficki ficki niggers and then suing the members that refuse to accept them?
Seriously?
lol and from what I've read so far ITT Ireland has been completely and utterly destroyed by BVI poster and my fellow countrymen.
Jolly good show lads.
>>81402329
It isn't so much a democracy issue so much as an accountability issue. The commission can be thought of as a sort of staff to the Council. The Council actually mandates the direction of the project, the commission just makes it happen and the parliament rubber stamps it. Our commissioner is like another cabinet secretary for Europe.
The problem is the degrees of separation. What they get up to is so far removed from direct accountability to the people that it renders the people's involvement pointless. This is reflected in the enormous apathy seen in European elections. People don't feel they're involved, and they're not.
The other problem is the obvious issue of German politicians deciding laws and policy for Spanish people and every variation thereof. You get to elect your MEP but he's a tiny fraction of the whole, so even that democratic safeguard to veto bad legislation is diluted by the sheer volume of conflicting interests.
I honestly didn't mind the Irish.
Then they started posting on /pol/.
>>81403197
>Are people actually proud or supporting the fact some fat, ugly bitch is running the EU and importing billions of ficki ficki niggers and then suing the members that refuse to accept them?
I don't care about immigration specifically, but no I'm not happy. It doesn't mean I think the whole EU project is hopeless though. I mean I don't like Enda Kenny but it doesn't follow from that that I think Dublin should leave Ireland or that the whole Irish state shouldn't exist.
>lol and from what I've read so far ITT Ireland has been completely and utterly destroyed by BVI poster and my fellow countrymen.
Well you'd think that, wouldn't you? He's telling you exactly what you want to hear. Reaffirming your strongly-held views. You're essentially bluepilled within the paradigm of /pol/. I'm coming in here from a minority point of view, arguing that the world view held my most here is mostly bollocks, it's always going to be an uphill battle.
>>81403583
Fite me
>>81403129
>committing national suicide
Ireland is not a nation state. The UK is.
>>81403537
response to this
>>81391465
>>81391191
Don't wanna catch the plague desu
it's too fucking warm to sleep, lads.
>>81403696
I take it you're definition of "nation state" precludes those which are members of supranational bodies? In which case Europe, Africa, South-East Asia and South America are utterly devoid of nation states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations
>>81404050
The EU is on a completely different level to every other continental union and you know it.
>>81403611
You are the definition of bluepilled. The worldview held here is the worldview held by everyone everywhere in the world except people brainwashed by EU globalist propaganda. Thank God you have no more power over us. Your worldview is completely irrelevant to the UK now. Whether you think it's right or not, it is dead forever in this country. And I thank God every day for it.
>The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals
>Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation.
-Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhove-Kalergi, Practical Idealism
>people boasting about Merkel being in charge
I never thought I'd see the day
>>81404229
The Irish love being ruled, it's in their blood.
>>81404164
Indeed, and the EU is not on a level that renders the sovereignty of nation states totally inert and you know it too.
>>81404198
>your view is different
>hurr durr your bluepilled eurocuck derp
You've been swallowed by the /pol/ hugbox. Get outside and talk to real people for heaven's sake.
>The worldview held here is the worldview held by everyone everywhere in the world except people brainwashed by EU globalist propaganda
Except it's not. The BVI poster has posted stats that prove you wrong there.
> Your worldview is completely irrelevant to the UK now. Whether you think it's right or not, it is dead forever in this country. And I thank God every day for it.
I've mixed feelings about Brexit, truthfully. On the one hand, you were obstructionist pricks in the EU institutions and the Union will function better without you. On the other, we trade a lot with you guys and it's going to hurt us economically. Short-term, the latter hurts but long-term, the former will be more beneficial so gotta tough it out I guess.
>-Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhove-Kalergi, Practical Idealism
I don't know or care who this is.
>>81404270
>>81404546
>None of those impose legislation or an executive agenda on their members
It wasn't really my point tbf.
>There is nothing on this earth you can say to make me think that is a bad thing. Civil war, mass starvation, pariahhood. I would take it all to be out of the EU.
Absolute hysteria and I would genuinely worry for you if that's what you really think.
