Can someone give me legitimate reasons for why TPP is bad?
Free trade is considered a good thing by the vast majority of economists. The only reasons I seem to hear for TPP being bad is from /v/ posters who are worried they will get in trouble for pirating.
>>81383182
/v/irgins are transphobic.
>>81383182
It's vaguely worded to fuck whistleblowers.
>>81383182
The globalists want to make more money.
If it's so good why are the negotiations behind closed doors?
>requires ISPs to monitor and report their consumers for "illegal activity"
Into the trash it goes. The free-trade is a trojan horse for all the bullshit that fills the next 5k pages of it
>>81385366
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>>81385366
The fuck kind of flag is this?
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>>81383182
thousands of pages of regulations=free trade
cancuck intellectuals
>>81385691
French
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>>81385797
>Falling for a PK
>>81383182
>International Trade Deals
>Free Trade
Pick one. Idiot.
>>81385366
>Antarctica
dude wat?
>>81385366
>antartica
are you one of the globalists who flee'd there to get away from the coming war?
>>81383182
>free trade is considered a good thing by a majority of (((economists)))
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>>81385878
shitposting facts.
Aussies are so much better for mankind than canadians.
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>>81386199
We might be the most over-represented nation in terms of contributions to science relative to our population oddly enough.
>>81385366
Fuck off PK. All newfags will fall for this.
>>81383182
I don't have a formal education and any third world shitskin can do my job.
That's why
>>81383182
>trade restricted to a few countries
>free trade
>>81386672
proxyfag flags still count
>>81383182
There are none.
It is just a free trade agreement.
The whole "closed doors" issue is because:
1) The population doesn't really care about economy
2) The population doesn't know enough of the economy to see through "MUH SCARY BUZZWORDS"
Look at the GPL license, it's a mile long and defends freedom, so long=/=nofreedoms.
Everyone that doesn't get it is, simply put, legally and economically illiterate.
>>81386839
I have a lib arts degree which means a monkey could do my job
>>81383182
"...by the vast majority of economists..."
Hmmm....
>>81383182
free trade is a retarded idea in the modern era. to much of the world has developed now to allow regulation on trade. differences in the cost of labor are insane
also the TPP has a stupid little provision that allows companies to sue governments without courts using self regulating tribunals made of industry leaders. and its based on their forcasted earnings not even last years earnings same quarter . it allows them to make up a figure they think the government owes them based on some law made or action taken by the government and they have to pay it. the government doesnt even get to defend itself
Basically it works like this: we give China a lot of power in order to buy us a tiny bit of temporary purchasing power and trust that they will send that power back our way to repeat the cycle.
>>81383182
>giving up your nations sovereignty and making (((international corporations))) and (((reserve banks))) the rulers is a good thing
cuckservative detected
Reminder that economics is not a science.
>WHY X IS A BAD THING?
>LOOK AT THIS (INSERT FAKE REASONS FOR CREATING X HERE)
>>81383182
>Free trade is considered a good thing by the vast majority of economists.
economists are faggots, free trade is bad, fair trade is good
TPP is bad because it seeks to hoist "losses" of films companies onto the backs of governments so that film studios can get their grubby mitts int o tax money
fuck that
you retards should stop paying for movies
>>81383182
Gives corporations powers that supersede those of any of the nations signing the TPP.
Kinda like the EU can override the rules of individual members so would the TPP court be able to rule against individual countries, even against local law.
It also promotes the human slavery and child labor (not even kidding)
>TPP Reduces Human Trafficking and Child Labor to Misdemeanors
>>81383182
no tariffs means companies can plop their workshops into some African shithole and sell it for a mint while the country where the company is from is all unemployed
You know how nearly 100 million are unemployed in the U.S? Its because of the current trade deal that is going on between the U.S. and Eurofucks. TPP just makes it worse.
>>81383182
Furthermore the TPP has an entire chapter in immigration, effectively handing over the US work-immigration policy to a multinational tribunal. That means that the TPP countries (with China having an open door to join) could decide that an unlimited amount of H1B visas must be issued.
>>81387725
THIS. Economists are to fucking blame for the Muslims everywhere. They said muslims are cheap, easy labor yet these people refuse to work and most cant even read or write in their own language.
Economists have fucked the world
>>81383182
TPP has:
ISDS, which gives massive unnecessary powers for corporations to sue nations. It's already been abused to sue Australia for restricting tobaco advertising, and Ecuador for billions just because they pulled out of an agreement the oil company broke.
No enforcement labor or environmental protections compliance plans, and no attempt at all SPECIFICALLY for Mexico. Meanwhile, Mexico suffers country-wide protests against exploitive labor practices and suppressed wages.
It's designed to suppress wages and send all of your jobs to Mexico, and legally prevent any country from doing anything about it with bullshit lawsuits.
>>81384102
Well people can shitpost here or you can just wait and see since there is no stopping it and the populations of the countries bound by it had no say on it. It was written by corporate lawyers and signed by corrupt politicians.
Upside down world, you either have free trade or you have 1000 pages of legalese, you can't have both if you think about it.
>>81386986
That's a complete lie.
How is erecting a multinational tribunal that overrides US laws and can fine the US a free trade policy?
How is handing immigration control to foreigners a free trade policy?
How is reducing the punishment for child labor, human trafficking and slavery a free trade policy?
CTR, go die in a ditch nigger.
>>81388238
Tariffs impede growth in a country.
Countries reducing tariffs and becoming more open almost always end up better economically.
>>81383182
Its intention to create an economic block in southeast asia to rival china worries me.
It'd likely ensure cheap labor and manufacturing costs, but the scope is unclear. Are millions of Malaysian accountants going to suddenly flood our workforce like the Chinese do? We're not prepared to deal with the Chinese as it is. We don't need a booming ASEAN fucking us at home.
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>>81388442
Listen to the kike for once.
>>81383182
It will result in the loss of national sovereignty.
>>81385470
This
Companies go were they have cheap labor, just look at NAFTA, imagine that on the bigger scale
Honestly, if you aren't making a personal point to rub out people attached to this monstrosity, you shouldn't comment here. You know, personal training accidents happen
>>81385366
HOLY SHIT!
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>>81389120
NAFTA is 'just' a free trade agreement. the TPP and TTIP are a power transfer from a democratically elected government to corporations.
It's like comparing a broken leg to a chainsaw to the gut.
>>81389379
Listen to the Jew
>listen to the Jew?
>>81388882
Tariffs keep a business from exploiting a country - if you move your production outside the U.S. for example, be prepared to pay the tariffs when you bring the product back in.
Corporations have been trying to find ways to circumvent this, and the TPP and current groundwork of TPP do exactly that. They want to make money off people by making cheap goods, created by people who make well below any minimum living wage. They use the system to literally control the economy.
No tariffs help countries like Korea, Japan; countries with little to no resources that rely on goods coming in for them to manufacturer and sell out to other countries. We have a deal like you are explaining with Korea, and they benefit from no tariffs, so they move some of their goods to the U.S. on the cheap. This doesn't help the working man, only those who have the money to buy shit. But hey, with this TPP groundwork laid, people won't have money to buy shit.
Its why TPP is inherently flawed for us. U.S. is goods rich that can create its own shit, but for some reason corporations with the help of the countries are segregating goods creation to other countries.
>>81388840
ISDS isn't new, the vast majority of treaties currently in force include some kind of mechanism for non-governmental entities to sue governments regarding terms of the treaties.
>>81385366
French flag
>>81387547
Reminder that economics is more a science than human behavior.
>>81383182
(((economists)))
>why is moving towards the one world government Orwellian nightmare bad
Good goy
>>81389904
No it's not new, but the TPP and TTIP are breaking ground on scale and the amount of power transferred.
Especially in the case of the US.
>terms of the treaties.
It usually applies for concrete terms, like 'gov promised to deliver X amount of fishing rights so we build a canning factory but haven't delivered".
These deals are arbitrary, which makes them a power transfer.
Furthermore, the tribunal itself is going to be a multinational entity, something that was rare in the past (with the exception of the EU courts, which turned out to be globalist/corporate controlled and corrupt, acting against the interests of the countries of the union).
>>81386648
not to blow my own horn but I think that honor goes to the Scandinavian countries
http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/18767/research-publications-per-capita
And the Swiss
>>81391313
Talking in effective contribution here, we invented wifi, tanks, produce the most efficient solar-cells, constant medical breakthroughs, etc
>>81390697
Yes. It's a question of scale. But most arguments against it act as if it's totally new.
>concrete terms
Not NAFTA, for example. Look at what's happening here with softwood lumber and to an even greater extent the pipeline business.
Maybe we're just more used to it here, Canada is after all one of the most sued countries through ISDS.
I'm not a huge fan of the TPP but people who oppose it are going to have to be more convincing and do their research.
>>81391686
IT IS NEW FOR THE US.
>multinational tribunal.
>not addressing specific deals, any case where a company 'feels' like they are losing b/b of gov policy
Yes it's not new in the EU, we already have an example of a multinational non restricted above the law tribunal.
We have already seen that it's corrupt and uninterested in the well being of the citizens in the EU countries.
Why import such a failed concept to the US?
IT IS NEW to hand over immigration policy to a multinational body.
OF WAIT, you're right the EU countries have experience with that as well.
HUGE success.
And WTF? with supporting child labor, human trafficking and slavery? I mean what the actual fuck were these people thinking? Oh I know
>we'll keep it secrecy so the serfs won't see that we're transferring power away from elected governments to corporations.
>people who oppose it are going to have to be more convincing
These things were literally tried in the EU and ended up as a colossal failure.
I don't get what's your argument exactly? lets emulate this colossal failure in the US as well?
Free trade is an illusion. Instead of allowing businesses to compete across borders, it hands a significant advantage to whichever nation has the most deeply manipulated economy.
This is why China is growing so fast. They have all kinds of currency schemes and wage/labor suppression laws. So, investors are moving there en masse. The crypto-nazi superstate of the EU has set up a lot of tariffs against Asia and expatriation, so their economy isn't losing investors as fast as it would be without them.
Meanwhile, US politicians use their insider knowledge of regulatory reform to make millions for themselves via "smart" investments, but let manufacturing jobs move into slavewage ChiCom land and tell the public to eat shit.
It's a lie, anon. It's all a lie.
>>81385797
Fuck off that's so racist toward the Turkish community
TPP is not a free trade deal, you can write a free trade deal on a single peace of paper ie. drop all tariffs.
TPP is bureaucracy sharing, giving power to foreign companies over your government. Canada/US have a 'free trade' agreement, doesnt mean you can use amazon.com though.
>>81383182
> the vast majority of (((economists)))
>>81388882
Tariffs impede bad growth. Not all growth is the same, and a larger GDP is not the same thing as ending up better economically.
>>81383182
Argument we hear often here:
This deal comes with private tribunals that can sue countries for passing laws that xlcould endanger their business or just lower their profits. Anti GMO laws for example. And since the US already have that kind of deals going on with other countires like Canada for example, we hare a record of such trials were corporations sue a countrie (here canada) and always win, making the country pay.
Say monsanto cant sell some kind of GMOs cause they are illegal in europe, well monsanto can sue european countries and milk them for money because they could have make huge profit selling them there.
Plus its another way for the US to make us their bitch a little bit more and some of us had have enough of it.
Don't touch my country internationalist scum
>>81395185
this, good job leaf.
>>81395836
define bad growth.
I'm sure those who are better off because that growth don't see it as bad.
>>81383182
>TPP
>free trade
>>81396994
Growth that enriches the wealthy while destroying everybody else is bad growth because massive inequality is socially destructive.
>people who make a living by ripping off the american people like this
>this is a good thing
>>81383182
Free Trade is a catastrophically BAD thing for the people
Good for economists because they get filthy rich.
Bad for you because you lose your middle class and the factories move overseas.
Also the finer fine print points of TPP say that the Corporations pretty much own everything, can do whatever the fuck they want, and your local government laws dont mean shit.
It means ratifying TPP means you put the Corporations on a higher level than your Government.
And the corporations own you as property. And you're cucked.
>>81383182
has nothing to do with trade
>>81385366
fuck off proxy faggot
>>81383182
Read the damned report. It's bad for the US. Only 128k new jobs over 15 years, a decline in our manufacturing jobs as they get shipped even more to countries with cheaper labor, and only increase GDP by 0.15% to 0.5% over the same period.
Doesn't protect against currency manipulation.
It will force Canada to import "maple" syrup instead of producing real maple syrup otherwise the country will get sued for not allowing fair trade.
>>81398933
New Jobs doesnt tell you what kind of jobs
One job is not equal to another.
Paid $22 an hour plus extensive benefits does not equal $8 at mcdonalds... which is what factory workers are faced with when their unemployment runs out.
United States is 86% Service Economy.
Means its 95% paycheck to paycheck
Means its doomed the instant the economy collapses.
>>81388710
This right here.
It is the old Clinton era induction of the Chinese into the wto amped up to the nth degree.
>TPP
Reminder that of the two parties involved, only Trump has someone on the headline ticket that supports this crock.
>>81383182
Economists don't give a fuck about sovereignty.
Fuck this stupid globalist bullshit. It'll gut our nation.
>>81385366
Hey PK, can you tell me how you do your proxies so good? I checked the statistics on 4chan, and the only person who posted from Antarctica has your name on it, and i checked alot of other rare flags, that have only had PK posting from it, so i know you're a master at making proxies. Please teach ):
>>81383182
"free" trade is always about locking in the status quo for the established players
