Can someone explain to me how the FUCK, and I really do need to know, are toll roads legal? They are complete bullshit and infringement on my rights not only as a american, but a human goddamn being. I have to pay to use a PUBLIC ROAD, and if I don't I have to suffer in ridiculous amounts of traffic? How are people ok with this? So I have to be rich to use a fucking toll road, how is this NOT class discrimination?
And for you edgy niggers out there, I don't want to hear about "oh well they use it for funding so its all good" BULLSHIT. Drive in NYC with those bullshit tolls, and if you still believe that you're a fucking retard. Obama can talk about tranny bathrooms but he can't be bothered to bring this up in 8 fucking years? Its bullshit
>>81332703
You're taking about public roads with tolls on them, and not just private toll roads right? The former are complete horseshit, but that's what you get when the government is in charge of things. The latter are fine, because if you don't like their prices, you don't use their roads and it doesn't cost you a penny.
>>81333303
They're both bullshit, and its not as simple as "oh well don't use it lulz" because then you have to deal with RIDICULOUS amounts of traffic that are frankly safety hazards, meanwhile some dickhead gets to avoid the traffic because he's fucking rich. What kind of bullshit is that? Is this a the "land of the free if you have money, otherwise enjoy your stop and go traffic with the fucking Mexicans and stressed out alcoholic soccer moms land"
>>81332703
>how is this NOT class discrimination?
Because it's a fucking $1.25
>>81333947
>entitled Marxist detected
Private road owners do not owe you a service. Nor do you owe them money. They had to build and fund that shit by themselves, so if you want to use it, you have to pay.
Public roads are the problem. You are forced to pay for something whether you use it or not, and good fucking luck if you have a complaint about the service, because the organization running it still gets its revenue whether you're happy or not.
>>81334139
Here we FUCKING go, "oh its only XXXX hehe ;*" GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU RICH CUNT
And not all tolls are the same price. In NYC you have the baterry tunnel at $8 and heading back into Staten island its $16, guess what happens? It forces everyone to go INTO Manhattan one of two ways. Know what happens after that? Traffic gets backed for miles, and the holland and lincoln tunnels become shitshows. But you don't fucking care because you're RICH
>>81334321
Fair enough, but I find it ridiculous you have to pay to use a road in the fucking USA. ifpeople were to get charged to go into a MALL before even buying anything, niggers would chimp out yet tolls oh ya that's all good because govt
>>81332703
They're owned by private companies. Long term infrastructure investments are like government bonds in terms of yield
>>81335213
You've never been to a Sam's Club have you?
>>81335213
>waste 10 dollars of gas in heavy traffic
>or pay small toll to go through a minimal traffic area
hmmmmmmmmm
>>81335213
>I find it ridiculous you have to pay to use a road in the fucking USA
When they're public roads, I agree. Pretty sure there is a public bridge in Vancouver that got a toll put on it to pay off something or other (maybe its construction costs?) and once everyone got used to it, the government decided it was a good source of revenue and kept it. Kind of like income tax.
With government the cost always goes up, because there are always more projects and gibs to fund. You can't just go "fuck you guys, I'm going to use the competitor's road".
>>81335427
They are not "investments" don't you get it? Its the FUCKING GOVERNMENT being greedy shitbags, and people like you are the problem you don't do shit about it
>>81335511
Fuck off
>>81335665
The POINT is its an unnecessary burden, without those tolls there wouldn't be ridiculous traffic at all. The tolls make it far worse than necessary. But since you're rich you're cool with it, well fuck you too
>>81335788
I'm pretty sure that's how every toll gets started, and they go up for the same reason. It'll get to the point where you have to be %1 to use tolls, then everybody will say some bullshit like "oh I don't understand how this happened" ITS BECAUSE YOURE A FUCKING IDIOT
>>81335665
>not knowing the toll road is the where the heavy traffic is (freeways)
The roads that don't have rolls are interstate highways and small roads that have shit traffic too and also take longer to get to work
>>81336383
>Without tolls there wouldn't be traffic.
I'm not sure you understand financial incentives.
Tolls, by definition, reduce traffic. You admitted it yourself that those who cannot afford do not drive on them. This means that the rich are not on the free roads.
>>81337073
Right which is class discrimination
So sorry I'm not part of the fucking %1 like you, but last time I checked I HAVE FUCKING RIGHTS YOU PIECE OF DOGSHIT
>>81334139
Went on a trip to LA a few weeks ago, paid $15 for the round trip. I mean, it's bullshit, but at least the price tag keeps people from just using that freeway, so I don't mind paying extra
>>81337453
You're right.
Driving is not among those rights. Since your rights are not being violated, you have no standing for a civil rights complaint.
Similarly, as alternative routes are thoughtfully provided by the state, you have no recourse to state your free movement is being prevented.
Do you have any other claims? If you'd like, you could petition the government to add the toll to your state taxes so you can pay for everyone's tolls and sit in traffic on the formerly clear toll road with the 1%'ers who have enough income to burn another two gallons on their commute.
>>81337073
It would only be justifiable, IMO, if the toll was the sole source of funding for that particular road. So even though it is a publicly owned road, the public didn't pay for it through taxes; only those who use it pay for it.
A toll on a publicly funded road is just double taxing.
>>81338551
There's nothing wrong with taxing people who access the road differently than people who don't use it.
Because the toll road is paid for using the tolls of those who use it, you are not forced to pay for a inter-state or inner-city artery that you never needed or wanted.
This means (at least in theory) lower taxes for those who don't use the road.
>>81338125
Driving is not a right, but being subject to unnecessary traffic and fucking up the planet by sitting in traffic IS MY FUCKING RIGHT HUH YOU RICH FUCK. And it is being prevented, there are MORE than enough bridges and tunnels to allow people to move throughout NYC freely and timely WITHOUT traffic, but since you have to be rich to use 95% of them everybody who's not a %1 has to suffer in traffic. That is the textbook defintion of class discrimination. You're a smug little cunt, driving around with your rich car and your rich cellphone, drinking your rich coffee, using the toll roads without a care because you're rich. Hey buddy newsflash; NOT EVERYBODY IS FUCKING RICH
>>81339088
If I had a nickle for every time I was told I was rich, I'd still be modestly middle-class, because I have an working knowledge of finance, coinage and linear models.
It's good bait. Guy living in NYC complaining about people being rich.
>>81338870
>Because the toll road is paid for using the tolls of those who use it, you are not forced to pay for a inter-state or inner-city artery that you never needed or wanted.
That's what I'm saying. But in many cases, that toll revenue goes into the general infrastructure budget, so you're paying the same tax as before the toll, but now if you want to use the road you have to pay per use on top of your yearly taxes.
Public tolls are often used not to ease the tax burden, but as an additional source of income that is gets less backlash than raising taxes by the same amount.
>>81340226
Which still gets used in the transportation budget.
For the individual taxpayer who does not use the road however, their "effective" tax burden is lower.
If you did not make the road a toll-road, you would have levied an additional tax to pay for the road anyways. This doesn't include the reduced infrastructure cost of a less-used road, nor the improvement in traffic on other arteries where those who wish to pay a premium on their transportation are no longer on free roads.
>>81339432
Its easy to have that knowledge when you're rich. That's like saying I'm an expert at getting sex because I'm a pornstar, YA NO SEX IM GETTING PAID TO HAVE SEX. of course you're an "expert" at finance because you are rich so you can use toll roads wihtout a care, while everybody else has to deal with bullshit traffic. You being proud of it is disgusting
>>81338870
I wish it really worked that way.
>>81341255
So do I, but corruption cannot easily be incorporated into economic models.
>>81341186
Khan Academy.
Next you're going to tell me you can't afford public libraries.
>>81341557
This is the typical "oh I'm not rich I'm just really smart hehe, oh btw don't mind me I'm using the tolls EVEN THO IM NOT FUCKING RICH HUR DUR" move
Nice fucking try, not falling for that bullshit
Im not sure if OP is a troll or just plain retarded
>>81341873
You got me, I'm really rich and my dick's 18 inches.
And when I drive on the toll roads, they pay me.
Those roads wouldn't exist without the privatization. You're complaining about the option to pay for a better road that also gets some people off the purely public road. Besides, you probably pay FAR more for public roads through your taxes. Nothing is free.
>>81332703
That chunky little pupper is super cute.
Would feed snacks/10
>>81332703
Roads cost money.
"They pay for themselves". Get used to it, libtard.
>>81332703
Kill yourself, entitled shit.
>>81332703
You want paved roads or dirt roads?
>>81332703
>"how is charging for a service legal?"
Gosh, i don't know.
>>81342369
Good you finally admit it, now fuck off and die
>>81342616
If those roads DIDNT have a toll there wouldn't be stop and go traffic at all you dense cunt, and even if that last point were true I shouldn't have to be rich to use a GODDAMN BRIDGE OR TUNNEL
>>81342973
>>81343108
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>>81343261
Here come the edgy little teenagers
COME BACK WHEN YOU HAVE A FUCKING LICENSE YOU UNDERAGE SHITS
>>81343531
>If those roads DIDNT have a toll there wouldn't be stop and go traffic at all you dense cunt, and even if that last point were true I shouldn't have to be rich to use a GODDAMN BRIDGE OR TUNNEL
First of all, if you can't afford tolls you probably can't afford the cost of driving
Second of all, you'd still be paying for that road if it was public. Public roads are paid for with tax revenue. Nothing is free.
>>81344998
So now if you want to drive a car you have to be rich? Is this some kind of sick fucking joke?
Look I dunno how shit works up there in the fucking sticks, but in AMERICA people have fucking rights, not just the goddamn rich. You should be able to drive a car without being punished because you're not part of the %1, so you can't use toll roads and have to damage your car and your health. But yoiu don't give a flying FUCK about that you greedy %1 pile of monkey SHIT
>>81346352
You don't have to be rich, but it's still pretty expensive.
I don't think you understand or are just trolling with some libertarian meme.
If that road was public, you'd be paying for it just the same as if it was a private toll road. Your taxes go to pay fot services like public roads. Not to mention the added bureaucracy, which is very wasteful, the overpaid and unionized public workers, as well as the fact that road would be very busy if it wasn't a toll road.
>calling anybody else an edgy nigger
>whining about civic strategies that have been in use for thousands of years
Pick one
Oh, and get easy pass. When you're old enough to drive.
>>81332703
>and infringement on my rights
No, it's not. Not everything that upsets you is an "infringement on your rights".
As a citizen you have freedom of movement. But that doesn't entitle you to free access to all transportation infrastructure. Just as you don't have a right to free airline tickets, free train tickets, a free car, a free bike, etc.
Suck a dick you big whiny faggot.
>>81346880
So reserving those roads for the rich is all good because gibment huh? And I'd rather pay for a unionized worker than these fucking illegals and stressed out alcoholic soccer moms with their bullshit driving and little shitbrains running around everywhere fucking up the joint. And TELL YOUR FUCKING KIDS TO STOP STARING ITS RUDE AS FUCK
>>81348208
>HUR DUR EZ PASS IS FREE
ya kid I know it seems that way when you're using mommys ez pass, but you gotta pay for that shit. Ok kiddo? Free life lesson for you
>>81348825
Being forced to be in traffic because people can't use the tolls because they're not rich IS an infringement on their rights. When there is traffic and you can't use tolls because you have to be 1%, you are restricting movement. Not to mention you are fucking the environment in the FUCKING ASS
>>81332703
You're paying for the convenience. I gladly pay the toll price to not deal with traffic and dipshit retards who drive 40 in a 55
American shitposting is terrible.
>>81350435
So only rich people can have convenience now? That's bullshit
>>81350910
Yep just look at your post
>>81332703
Get a job, nigger.
>>81332703
who is this slender cisgender?
I find it hilarious how mad you are. It's nice having money enough that toll roads, new clothes and a nice car come easy.
Stay mad poorfag. Get used to being a fucking loser, because you always will be. Now stop whining and get to your shift at 7/11 fatty
>>81350214
You are very clearly a ranting child who doesn't even drive yet.
Oh and you were probably not even alive when I lived in NYC.
Michigan fag here, we have no toll roads and have the absolute worst roads in america. I've popped 2 tires in the last 6 months, and scraped the bottom of my car countless times. Places with toll roads usually have pretty good roads, so you shouldn't really bitch about it.
>>81350214
They're not reserved for the rich. They're a service, offered by a private firm, sold to individuals willing to pay. Either way, you're going to have to pay for a road either by toll or tax. Nothing is free. You are not entitled to drive on a private toll road if you haven't paid for the ability to do so.
Are you autistic or something?
>>81351829
I hope you fucking die you hear me? I HOPE YOU DIE YOU RICH GREEDY FUCK
>>81352104
Oh you have clearly never been to NYC
>>81351944
Well considering you sound like you're a 12 year old cunt I most likely was
Not that it matters, I don't give two shits about the past, I'm talking about the bullshit tolls of today that you cant use unless you're rich
>>81353152
Except you have to be rich and if you're not, you get the privilege of suffering in traffic while the 1% use toll roads. So I have to work only to pay for tolls? How does that make sense?
OP made my day. Holy LEL
