Are centrists worse than lolbertarians? Are centrist lolbertarians cancer incarnate?
>Playing into ideologies
You may as well be a feminist.
>>81282271
Nah, Libertarians are pure cancer.
Centrists can be broken down into two groups
>Politically illiterate
Fags, but not as bad as libertarians. At least these people will admit they're not well-versed in politics. Even if they do make dumb horseshoe theory comments.
>Economic centrists
Proper economic views, tbqh.
>>81282428
Exhibit A
stop fucking pushing your bullshit fucking labels and actually try getting to know people. i swear the only insufferable people in a political debates are the ones who categorize the other speakers instead of debating them
oh but you're just shitposting sorry carry on
what's the point of having political convinctions you're just going to die
>>81282428
uh oh, guys
we have a centrist here
what the FUCK do we do?
>If think both candidates are stupid
>>81282428
you're exactly the picture
just because you're too afraid to hold a position doesn't mean you get to have the "hahah, you two are fighting about meaningful politics... I'm SO above that -___-" attitude
>>81282594
To not die in vain, faggot.
I prefer to be called moderate thank you
*sips tea*
>>81282483
It's actually cute how sure you people are of yourselves.
I guess frequenting neo-/pol/ and unironically supporting meme candidates makes you "well-versed" in politics and economic theory, huh
>>81282271
To be fair, a centrist can have serious convictions and beliefs. There's more than two 'religions' in the political spectrum.
I firmly believe that abortion and weed should be legal, and hat affirmative action and feminism are fucking bullshit.
None of these are beliefs I am willing to compromise.
No viable party represents my viewpoints.
As always, OP is a raging faggot.
>>81282271
>t. Switzerland
>>81282501
>>81282684
>>81282752
>>81282819
>thinking I'm a centrist because I don't like ideologies
Its almost as if you guys are politically illiterate.
@81282972
mmmmmmh....
>>81282752
Retard
>>81282428
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>>81282688
>I am incapable of making an objective assessment of the situation so instead I'll glorify one of the shitstains and begrudge the other.
Why would a centrist come over here in the first place?
But you should always try to make level-headed decisions based on facts and not dogma.
>>81282271
I'm a centrist.
You're entitled to your beliefs and convictions.
Just as I'm entitled to tell you to get along with others and use force is necessary.
But to make sure things run smoothly:
I promise to segregate communities so long as you promise not to kill each other in the work place. I'll make prostitution and gambling legal everywhere, and legalize soft drugs and promote a market.
but at the same time drug dealers who sell illegally get the death penalty, and welfare leeches and drug addicts get euthanized.
Sound fair? That's only the beginning of what I have to offer.
>>81283991
I meant sterilized. Sorry.
I was thinking of my meritocracy system when I wrote that. My mistake.
>>81283500
To make inane "pol is just reverse SJWs!!" comments and other uninsightful platitudes.
>>81282271
>Centrists can't hold serious convictions and beliefs in their centristic views
>>81282764
mein gott!
>>81282271
Yes.
>being a centrist makes you afraid to commit
Or maybe it just makes you smart enough to realise left and right are nonsensical conglomerates? Judging every issue on its own merits instead of trying to view everything through the lens of an ideology is how everybody should act.
>>81282972
>thinking I'm a centrist because I exhibit centrist behavior
wow, I must be fucking retarded, how about you tell us why your not a centrist then.
Literally the worst. They belong in pic related
>>81282271
Lukewarm faggots are always insufferable and or boring
"Fiscally conservative, socially liberal".
talk shit get hit
>>81284125
Err... I have some good news for you.
You're not a centrist.
>>81282819
The fucking e-cig
A bunch of faggots in this thread.
I'm somewhere around +3 right, -5 down on the political test more or less, but moderates are easy to get along with and unite with for taking action.
Contrarians are worthless fucks. You know your hero Hitler killed contrarians, right?
>>81285116
>lukewarm
But people who hold strong views that happen to ignore the artificial left-right dichotomy are also centrists.
Or do strong views only count if they are part of a package deal now?
>>81283991
>centrist
>>81282271
All lolbertarians are cancer. lolbertarian/ancap is kindergarten tier
>>81282271
>Are centrists worse than lolbertarians?
Well considering libertarians are god-tier, yes.
libertarian>moderate>>>republishit=democrap>>>>trumpniggers
>>81282271
Perhaps you don't know what a centrist is?
>In politics, centrism or the centre is a political outlook or specific position that involves acceptance or support of a balance of a degree of social equality and a degree of social hierarchy; while opposing political changes which would result in a significant shift of society either strongly to the left or the right.
"Lolbertarians" are not centrists. They are a bit more right of center at best and seek to promote political change to the right.
I have a strong dislike for anyone that's not me.
>>81283144
I like that guy, even though I disagree with him on a lot of things. He's pleasantly deranged
>>81285732
>>81286023
You know your heroes Mao,Stalin and every other communist ever killed moderated, right?
>>81286211
+1 and checked
>>81282428
Your thinking is literally based on a fallacy
>>81282819
>the e-cig
lol
You can be an extremist centrist, as in you can hold extremist views from boths sides of politics. Fascism/National Socialism is basically extremist centrism with a sway to the left or right depending on several factors.
>>81286333
Can you read, retard? Look where I said I was on the political test.
>>81286368
U2 m8.
>>81286057
OPs Centrist is the person that acts superior or indifferent to both camps of a debate
They are supposed to be irrelevant, but prostrate themselves as something better
so of course they're shitty tryhards and fedora faggot tier
You feeling strongly about energy efficiency is irrelevant when people are talking about the economy, but going in that thread and saying nothing but
>you guys are falling for the left right meme!
is ridiculous and shitposting and reeks of cumbreath
>>81286211
>libertarians
You do know the only people that are libertarians are white males right? You still need a white ethnostate to have any hope of success.
What's wrong with being a centrist?
>>81283991
This isn't centrist, this is just your little power fantasy.
>>81286610
Oh yeah? Well you're doing a fallacy fallacy fallacy now
I told my qt trap friend that I'm a classical liberal and now they stopped sending me lewds :(
>>81286760
exhibit A
>>81283991
you people are the new cringe
>>81286023
>+3 right -5 down
wew lad, nice notation.
I'm just for freedom.
>>81286368
The truth is that all ideologies hold a set of useful and set of useless ideas. Also a lot of ideas are shared between ideologies as they are not mutually exclusive.
Most people are moderate and that is most likely due to the societies they are raised in also being moderate rather than reaching the moderate position from educating themselves.
And hopefully those who become moderate from their own research (probably not what this thread is talking about) hopefully do so in a way that expands them into people who are just as fluid as the world itself is.
If anything the extremist views held by a lot of people on this board, regardless of their particular belief, are the exception that proves the rule so to speak. But I hope it never stops and there is always a place for peaceful discourse about all topics, it's great here.
>>81286267
What is this from?
Fagnostics might be the only ones who are even worse in bragging about how humble they are
>>81286803
You tell what's wrong with centrism first.
Most Nordic countries are centrist and we are doing great. The Centrist party is currently the largest in Finnish parliament.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_agrarian_parties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy
>>81286913
I hear a lot of criticism but nothing constructive, what do you propose, then?
>>81286433
>Fascism
>Anywhere near the center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
>Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.
Totalitarianism isn't a sway to the right. It's the extreme right. If you had even read two paragraphs about it.
>>81286368
Might as well slap you with an extreme fallacy for proclaiming anon is wrong because he isn't adopting an extreme.
Let me help you out here. Just off of your picture:
"Much of the time the truth does indeed lie between two extreme points"
We'd have to go issue by issue and as is common in politics, none of us would likely agree on what is true anyway but your logic is fallacious. Totally discounting any middle option as being wrong is just as retarded as discounting any extreme argument.
>>81286658
Not really. The market finds equilibrium. Anyone who can't carry their own weight is culled naturally.
Unless you are making the same tired mistake of thinking libertarian=anarcho capitalist.
In which case I'm gonna have to ask you to lurk more.
>>81282271
>he actually cares about what ideology he belongs to
Like who cares man, whatever keeps you in the most advantageus position.
The meek shall inherit the earth and all that jazz.
>>81287209
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy
Don't you realize that every western country has a mixed economy? Its not just nordicks
>>81287528
>Watching that ass expand.
Like a diaper filling up.
>>81282688
>If you can't decide between acid and poison you're an idiot
>>81282428
Ideologies made sense before the Information Age when there was a scarcity of information, so it was easier for people just to do things "according to the book".
Now there is really no reason for it because you can look up all the factual information by yourself.
>>81287527
Will you believe in the market as you die in a gutter because of circumstances outside of your control which lead to your demise that otherwise wouldn't occur in a society which deemed things like accessible healthcare, eduction, etc. mutually beneficial to all members of the society?
Libertarianism is fundamentally flawed. In it's extreme case it lacks all empathy which, as they fail to realise, is often times not just a virtue to possess it is also a virtue that should be graciously accepted. It has no humanity in its extreme form.
But oh, lo and behold! It does have many positive aspects and those aspects which have benefit for the society have been extracted by those more towards the center. Case in point, the financial markets with relatively low government oversight expect for in situations where legal entities such as the Fed or SEC perform an important role in those systems by design. Also see gun ownership laws in the US.
The vast majority of people in the western world are centerists. Centerist views are probably the most rational when you look at them but they are often criticised for fence-sitting by those holding stronger beliefs. A lot of the time extreme view points come with a level of delusion that is unattractive to the regular western joe.
the entire notion of a political spectrum is absurd
due to social and economic circumstances people will fall into different schools of thought
but those will always be a unique product of the time
insisting that a continuity can be preserved and sticking to the same old
left-wing or blue-red labels only serves to make the ideological water muddy
I mean for fucks sake think about witch side the elite backed in the past and which side the plebs backed
we've seen a complete switch, it's all because the sides changed as.much as the people.
centrists produce nothing but stagnation
they're hindering progress from being made - in one way or another
they're the people who are at fault for making democracy not work
they're slowing down polarization and delaying conflict
it is better to fall fighting for what you believed in than to triumph because you believed in nothing
>>81288253
>the entire notion of a political spectrum is absurd
>due to social and economic circumstances people will fall into different schools of thought
This is wrong. Schools of thought tend to be very rigid once they are initially set and people don't usually hold all of the views of any one particular school. The whole concept of "fall into different schools of thought" is just a baseless categorisation and completely ignores even the possibility of a spectrum. It denies the fluidity of people's beliefs and that is an absurd position to hold if you are yourself a human being with free thought.
>>81282483
this t bh
economically centrist but socially conservative is god tier
>>81282271
if you deem yourself too smart to choose a side then the ones dumber than you will choose for you
>>81282271
>I'm far too intelligent to commit to any side
>>81288492
Or maybe a system of democracy designed for mammals that are the results of billion years of organic development on a planet floating through space shouldn't expect that system to allow for schizophrenic decisions and "progression".
>they're slowing down polarization and delaying conflict
Holy shit that is ignorant. You completely forget to think about why polarization and conflict need to even occur? Outside of intelligent debate there should be no need for conflict. How dare anyone of any race, creed, or colour think they have a right to conflict - backwards morons. Does it really have to every time be a categorisation of us-vs-them? On all issues there must be a right and a wrong? Lol that's just pathetic logic.
>>81287527
No you faggot. I am saying that the only people who are libertarians are white males. So if you want libertarian policys to succeed politically you need a state where the voting block is comprised entirely of whites. Preferably one where only men can vote since women overwhelmingly support socialist policies. All nonwhites vote overwhelmingly for socialism.
>>81288492
>>81288694
>this thread
>>81287271
>I promise to segregate communities so long as you promise not to kill each other in the work place.
Far right
>I'll make prostitution and gambling legal everywhere, and legalize soft drugs and promote a market.
Centrist to Libertarian
>but at the same time drug dealers who sell illegally get the death penalty, and welfare leeches and drug addicts get sterilized.
Off the charts authoritarian right
>>81286498
Fuck off, commie sjw.
>either vote for a israel loving kike and give you freedom to corporation
>or an immigrant loving flamboyant faggot
>j-just the way it should be
what ideological umbrella would you guys place me under
captcha: 1488
>>81289429
>"centrists"
So these are the ledditors saying "g-go back to /pol/" and "just as bad as SJWs" on other boards?
>>81286658
>meme
you dont get what it is then
>>81288182
How many people can society sustain at a given quality of life? I think that's an important question to ask that we don't. And I don't think the answer to that question is genocide but I also don't think it can continue giving people in poverty a false sense that they should have more kids which they can not support that will exacerbate problems which will be remedied by social programs which will cost tax payer money which will decrease the quality of life for the expanding carrying capacity.
>>81289795
More educated people produce less children. Raising education levels can be seen as one way of improving the situation you're talking about without violence. Is it hard though? Fucking oath it is.
>>81288949
I'm a non white.
>all non whites
You could say most and you'd be more accurate.
You probably won't find many non whites voting for libertarian policies because in order for anyone to think it is in their interest, they either have to have exceptional ability to move themselves in terms of social mobility or have to have inherited a good start in terms of parental upbringing to teach them skills and somewhat of a support structure from their parents until they become fully realized self sufficient adults. Guess what minority communities lack? I'm probably preaching to the choir. Chinese and Indians by and large are culturally ready for libertarianism. Most Hispanics and blacks are not, but most of them will fail as it is anyway desu.
>>81288905
you write like a woman on facebook
people like you are the reason we don't live in an all white society or colonize mars you do realize that
war is the time in which humanity has made the most progress within all sciences, a country functions it's best during and right after a conflict, the reason europe is the most advanced society on earth is because it had been in constant turmoil up until now, ideological conflict and fear is the driving force behind civilization
it doesn't really matter what you think though, polarization is occurring, people are becoming more and more violent, conflict is on the horizon, and you will be drafted to fight alongside me whether you pick a side or not :^)
>>81289025
great argument faggot kike
>>81290045
More educated=white. There's a lot of propaganda about overpopulation (myth) and quality of life (determined by earnings arbitrarily deemed "poverty level"). Meanwhile, sharkeesha has a few pups with different fathers and is praised for this.
If you're worried about overpopulation or "quality of life", and that fewer kids would solve this, you're already talking about genocide friendo.
>>81282271
If you don't have an opinion on things you know fuck all about you're basically retarded
Anyone else remember when /pol/ was 50% libertarian?
>>81290045
I agree completely. A well educated populace solves so many problems on it's own.
I'm in no way advocating for violence btw, idk if you were implying that. The population issue has been near and dear to me for a long time and I've often wrestled with how to handle it because I don't think any system works without sustainable population. My cousin used to joke (at least he said he was joking) that he would just off everyone who wasn't smart.
I'm sort of hoping free education online and the internet will help make the population smarter. And I think to an extent people use the internet to learn things but maybe not to the extent they can.
Where I work, I see first hand how many shitty dumbass immature girls have babies they didn't want, aren't prepared to raise and this really is the center of societies' problems imo. I'm almost to the point where I might be for mandatory or at least highly recommended birth control for all post pubescent minors at this point.
>>81282929
Viable? As in Dems and Repubs? Yeah, might as well wait for the sun to go out, it'll happen before they support your views.
>>81290517
Yep.
The fucking nazis that ruined this board and dumbed down the general discussion for the most lart are basically like perpetual summerfags
>>81288182
> Libertarianism is fundamentally flawed. In it's extreme case it lacks all empathy
> Wanting real voluntary compassion rather than a facade of coercive philanthropy means a society that lacks empathy
I call bullshit. Maybe if you view a society influenced by an ideology as abstract omnipotence rather than the likely incentives and actions of people under transitioned system.....but I'm still going to call bull shit.
>>81290417
Overpopulation is far from a myth. This isn't about land mass on the earth.
Yes the quality of life thing is arbitrary but I think most of us will agree we don't want a China or India situation on our hands.
Anon and I aren't talking about genocide, more like preventative proactive measures. It's not genocide if the person is never even conceived.
>>81290417
More educated = more educated - no need to even try and twist it, it's pathetic and just shows how weak your arguments are.
The poverty level isn't arbitrary it's a measure used to determine a person's living standards.
Overpopulation might be a myth in certain aspects but we cannot continue to say, burn fossil fuels at the current rate we do. Not because I'm some environmentalist but because when our civilisation needs oil for another reason other than its current primary uses and we realise we have used it all up on stupid shit like driving around for leisure then yeah we're definitely going to have to overpopulation in certain aspects of life.
The other arguments about genocide. I guess you're implying that saying we should bring down the birth rates is the genocide of the births that could have happened had we been able to maintain or increase the birth rate. That's fucking dumb, your argument is about alternate realities that don't exist. If someone decides not to have kids that isn't the murder of all their potential kids.
>>81287173
ISideWith.com
>>81290517
>>81290750
Had some great discussions in 2012 but now the trolls, idiots and summer fags have blended into this one religion of kek. Every reaction on this board about world events are pretty much identical and predictable.
>>81291192
Kek is one of the good things that's happened here IMO. But holy fuck do the nazis need to leave
Yes
>>81289278
He's a libertarian, dipshit.
>>81291192
Gotta agree. As someone with a lot of libertarian leanings, I don't mind the serious dissenters and those that pose what IMO are worthwhile questions about the practicality of the ideology.
There was high level colorful discussion. Now there's so much shitposting and low tier bait.
>>81291328
Oh the kek thing is hilarious but it blended in with the shit posting/bait so you can't be sure if anything is serious at all now.
>>81282271
I'm centrist on the issues I don't care about.
>going full commie or lolbertarian
>ever
I seriously hope you guys don't do this
Centrists are actually smart though.
You have to be utterly retarded to not realize that today's societies are centrists and that radicals (like nazi germany and commie russia) have crushed and burned)
>inb4 nazi germany didn't fail da evil allies defeated them xDDD
They ruled for just 6 years before the war started, and they already managed to plunge the country in debt, at least commies managed to last for like 75 years.
If fascism was good, we would have fascism.
reminder
>>81292176
VOTE SMART THIS ELECTION, FELLOW AMERICANS. LETS GET 10%, SO 2020 WILL MEAN SOMETHING
Cant Parry The Gary
>>81288694
That was quite profound Slovakia
>>81292443
It's not an original thought. It's paraphrased from something (probably multiple things)
>>81287209
And that's "Appeal to Status Quo" fallacy. This and the fact that nobody has defined what centrism is in this thread.
If I were to attribute Nordic prosperity to anything I'd rather do it to Economic freedom instead of "centrism", whatever that may mean.
Countries by economic freedom index: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Countries by Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
You can clearly see that, although the countries are in different order, the ones that are in the first twenty positions or so are pretty much the same.
>>81292684
If I were to attribute Nordic prosperity to anything it'd be a homogeneous white population of nordics. And oil.
>>81287285
>totalitarianism is inherently right wing
Is Marx's dictatorship of the proletariat also right wing?
The average centrist is just apolitical. Self-described centrists are generally faggots who want to feel superior.
There is something to be said for dealing with issues of their own merit (as in, utilitarianism), but it becomes rather arbitrary without any ideological framework.
>>81292793
So are you saying that if all those whites set up a communist dictatorship, private property was abolished, all the industries were expropriated and under direct state control they would be as prosperous as they are now?
>>81293092
COMMUNISM IS A PERFECT, CLASSLESS, STATELESS SOCIETY THAT HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>81293370
I'd love to contribute to your meme but the dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to be the socialist precursor to communism.
The centrists are the only ones with actual ideologies. When the wind swayed the left and the right further to the left and the right, we're the only one who stayed our grounds.
The Bush voters vote for Obama because they're slaves to public opinion, and we continue supporting free trade, welfare, social liberties, and cultural institutions.
>>81282271
By all means hold opinions. But don't base them off what you think being left or right means you dumb fuck.
You're probably right wing right. Meaning that you
Think capitalism and markets are better than socialised central planning
Oppose immigration
Oppose abortion
Oppose free healthcare
Support gun rights
Oppose gay marriage
Belive that segregation was better
Supported the Iraq war
Want to war Iran and Russia
Want to kill Assad
Deny man made global warming
Are a creationist
amirte?
>>81286658
That is why the physical removal of degenerates,homosexuals,none whites,democrats and communists is necesary to achieve the libertarian utopia
>>81293642
T H I S
And no, I don't feel more intelligent than lefties and righties, the all centrists think they're too smart meme is shit
logical fallacy: middle ground
Saying that a compromise, or middle point, between two extremes is the truth.
>>81293764
Well, i feel more intelligent than lefties and righties because they all look like fucking retards when they open their mouth.
>>81287209
>being swamped in kebab
>doing great
Your centrism sure helps fuckloads
