/Pol/ why does Turkey get a military coup but we don't?
>>81253214
Because US military is filled with retarded government slaves who were demoralized and believe only the government gives them meaning.
>>81253214
honestly, on what basis would you actually launch a coup rn
>>81253463
If Obama came out as muslim
>>81253463
Obama is communist who wants my guns. We need to limit the government (reduce debt) and follow the constitution
>>81253214
anything over corporal/captain has become so political you cant move up in rank without becoming a boot licker
>>81253214
We're under a corrupt system but not so much in a bad position. The average amerifat has A/C, a smartphone, Internet, house, access to education, etc. I bet you're comfy on your bed right now with no real worries.
>>81253214
got to keep those fresh donuts daily
>>81253820
how have your guns actually been threatened
how is obama at all communist, he didn't even try for REAL socialized medicine let alone anything else.
>>81253463
The lack of representation of common, not super rich people, and the complete merger of the wealthy and the politically powerful. SuperPACs, Citizens United, Hillary's existence, etc. A thing that won't change based on whoever you vote for.
I speak specifically about US, but the situation is the same all over the west. Doesn't necessarily call for a coup so much as citizen intervention.
>>81253214
We're too civilized.
>>81253799
Don't you have religious freedom? Who would give a shit if he's muslim as long as he puts the constitution first? You guys got over JFK and he didn't install papal law or some shit
>>81253463
The invasion of Iraq.
The invasion of Libya.
The invasion of Afghanistan.
The arming of criminals.
CIA plots all over the world.
Engineering falseflags to curtail rights of the people.
Shitting on the constitution.
Being controlled by foreigners and not the citizenry.
Giving control of the currency of the PEOPLE into private hands.
Allowing banks to have power over the production of the people.
Shaping and undermining the peoples will with massive propaganda via the educational and media system.
Being anti-european for decades.
Being a multi racialist regime.
Allowing 50 million unemployed.
Allowing millions of homeless.
Undermining all thoughts and wills of the people that goes against the democratic owners will.
Going against the interests of Americans and causing our deaths for foreigners benefit.
This regime must go.
>>81254282
Now this I can kind of understand
What OP brought to mind was idiot anti-gubmint types like the chodes in oregon
>>81254337
Yeah but JFK wasn't an America hating nigger with a tranny 'wife'. Smoke another bowl.
>>81253820
>OBAMA'S A MUSLIM COMMNUINST AND HE WANT MY GUNS
You are literally a conservative stereotype
>>81254463
So are you blaming this on an actual political party in power or against the entire established US government? Because it seems like the latter and there's no fucking way enough people support that, especially in the military. So that's why there's no coup.
How can it be that I always can tell a picture was taking in america by the sky and treelines alone?
>>81253214
>Burger finally realizes he's a cuck.png
>>81254658
What actions of Obama have actually shown any hatred of America.
What evidence do you actually have that Michelle is trans.
I haven't smoked in over a year.
>>81254156
Every time their is a incident involving guns obongo pushes gun control. He almost got gun control passed after sandyhook. He passed Obama care which is socialism and he has no respect for the constitution.
>>81254689
But it's true
Americans are lazy fucks
>>81254847
I'd rather be a cuck then dirty brown ape living in a third world country, Juan
You will get martial law but not in the way that will benefit any citizen of America. Very soon actually.
>>81254703
The entire establishment must go.
The government must be elected in a true fashion, capital can not play into the government, the production of currency belongs to the government, banks belong to the government, the constitution is to be followed 100%, media is to be sacked and destroyed, the educational system is cleansed of Marxism etc..
What would happen if Turks had a well-armed militia? Would the coup have been over before it even began?
>>81254866
>What actions of Obama have actually shown any hatred of America.
His entire presidency
>What evidence do you actually have that Michelle is trans
Have you not seen "her"? Look at that fucking thing then tell me it's a woman. Hussein Obama didn't get the moniker Bathhouse Barry for no reason
>I haven't smoked in over a year.
Time to start again
Because the only people who believe Obama is a tyrant are 72 year olds who listen to rush Limbaugh and mark levin
>>81254877
>But it's true
Not its not you fucktard. It takes only a second grade reading level to realize the second amendment would not reference something so specifically as a bunch of faggots in 2016 having assault rifles out the ass. As for the Communist thing, obviously you're exaggerating, but he honestly isn't even that much of a socialist. Medicare isn't some crazy new Marxist idea.
>>81255057
I'd rather have my pride intact and have lower standards of living. I'm glad you're content as long as Amazon delivers your dragon dildos though
>>81255125
Yeah probably because Erdogan gets all of his support form the fundamental Muslims in the rural areas. So if they had guns the coup would be already over
Military coups are a sign you're a shit backwards country.
>>81253959
this
>>81255414
"assault weapons" are a right that we will defend.
>>81255645
Eat some more shit, slave.
>>81254802
Its all the atmospheric freedom.
>>81255414
Well, I guess you didn't pass 2nd grade English
>>81254877
If Obama is a socialist he is the worst socialist on the entire planet.
>>81254463
>This regime must go.
No the system must go, no coup,
REVOLUTION
oh also u forgot corporations fucking everyone, not just banks
If you're against automatic and military weapons in the hands of the citizenry, you're an enemy of the constitution, there is no respite or discussion only destroying you or losing our rights.
>>81255956
kys
>>81255929
Marxists are never socialists.
>>81256012
Why stop there? lets give people rocket launchers and c4 explosives. what could go wrong?
If Trump wins there will be an elitist coup and Obama regime will seize power to "protect the rights of the people."
>>81255785
The right you're defending was made at a time when people lived in isolated farming societies with nothing but muskets to protect them w/out a national guard or a police force. Also, considering the context of their own revolution against a tyranical government, it meant to keep the knowledge within the citizens that the power of the gov derived from them, so they could remove the gov if it became undemocratic. It had nothing to do with your shitty fucking hobby of shooting walls or jacking off to your arsenal.
we will in 8 weeks
>>81255057
I'd rather have real freedom than just talk about how free my country is when I can't even get a corrupt lady about to be my president to be judged.
People like you are the ones that talk about "never in mah US" while you literally become as cucked as germany, france and sweden.
We at least impeached our corrupt Huerkel. You are constantly cucked by the black guy you elected. How does it feel to know that my country never has and never will have a black president?
>>81255929
Congress stops him form passing some but not all (Obama care) communist legislation. Obama's family even has communist ties.
http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2015/11/obamas-ties-to-socialism-marxism-and.html?m=1
>>81256203
An infantry weapon is not equivalent to an explosive, and your state declares you an enemy of the constitution.
>>81256345
You don't define the right, it is a right to own arms, arms = weapons of the soldier.
>>81254703
>A
But anon is correct about these things. That much shouldn't be disputed.
>>81255929
If he is a Marxist than he is the worst Marxist on the planet.
>>81253214
The guy is out in a few months. What would a coup accomplish?
>>81253214
Because you're a bunch of brainwashed idiots.
Every single dead american soldier died for the benefit of the ilk of clinton's donors.
Its sad, but its true. Hope you guys can change it tho.
Before you jerk your knee and shit on brazil, yeah, this shithole is six gorillion times worse.
>>81256697
A Marxist has nothing to do with the well being of the people, only implementation of Marxist doctrines.
>>81256543
Explain to all of us here the definition of communism.
>>81256543
How is buying healthcare from private companies communist? if it was communist people would get it for free from the government.
>>81254282
>>81254463
To be honest. I'm surprised you guys haven't attempted a coup or anything. I thought if any would do it. It would be the United States.
>>81256850
Well every time Obama (Democrats) try to increase the state. Communism/Socialism/Marxism grows in America
>>81253214
Ideals of democracy in a system where democracy is corrupted stop good people from doing bad things to fix bad people destroying the system
>>81257249
Explain. I don't even think you know what that stuff is.
>>81256429
I have bad news for you, my fellow hue hue.
Our country most certainly will have a lesbian sheboon president, in marina silva.
Pretending otherwise is just wishfull thinking.
>>81256575
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
This document is dated from the 1700s, and reflects such. Are you a part of a well regulated militia for the security of your state? No? Because we have a national guard now, such a militia is no longer necessary as we have government forces. Obviously for a militia to work, people would need arms. No needed militia means no needed weapons in the hands citizens, so then we can keep them out of the hands of criminals, the mentally ill, and serial killers.
>>81255381
This. Fuck off, Obama-despising liars. He's not the best president we've had, but he's certainly not the devil incarnate that so many fucktards like to claim.
inb4
>MUH GUNZ
>MUH SOCIALISM
>MUH MUSLIMS
>MUH MICHELLE'S A MAN (what the actual fuck on this one)
And especially
>MUH TYRANNY
Man, you are gonna know real tyranny like the fuckin back of your hand if you and your redneck buddies try and start a revolt.
>>81257425
Again there is no discussion with you, all infantry weapons for the citizens, you say no I say yes.
>>81257055
He is forcing us to buy healthcare but it's a slippery slope. The next step is Universal Healthcare which democrats want. As we go down the slope we will eventually eventually wake up and we'll be Venezuela
>>81257535
Nigger, there is no us.
There USA is not a nation, it is a state who serves the state.
>>81257407
Lol, there is literally 0% chance of her winning. It's either gonna be Lula or whatever PSDB comes up with.
>>81253820
He's such a communist that both his presidential campaigns were bankrolled by Wall Street and he supports TPP. Just to mention two example. You have to have your head up your ass to think he's a communist.
>>81253214
Start one, you fucking pussy.
>>81257425
>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
>shall not be infringed
>SHALL
>NOT
>BE
>INFRINGED
>>81257561
He clearly showed his argument and its stronger than yours
>>81257120
I mean like all other western nations, we are brainwashed into thinking that our options change anything.
They don't.
At this point its beyond a vote, but the military is directly in the pocket of the gov. like evrerything is. Even our labor unions, the crowning achievment of our ancestors as a means to oppose the 1% (not of just the wealthy, but politically elite) are now no more than fancy intrest groups showered in money. We have nothing left to fight with, we are stuck, until we can somehow persuade normal shmucks into being willing to do something. Hard to do when we have random glamours amenities around us, but whatevs. I guess when all the fish die in about 50 yrs (look it up, it is going to happen if things don't change) we'll have to get over it on our iPhones while the rich get richer as fuck.
>>81256012
>thing
Why do I never hear you faggots bitch about the NSA and the violation of the 4th amendment?
>>81253820
The national debt is actually a good thing because it allows the country to place investments where they need to be placed. The US economy is growing so it actually makes some economical sense to run slightly towards debt. Who owns most of the debt in the US?
>>81255904
>not repeable
What planet are you living on? It can and probably will be repealed, and replaced with something a bit more sensible.
>God-given right
Yeah fuck off with that one mate. I implore you to quote me the bible verse where it says you have the "right" to own a gun...no, fuck it. A self-defense weapon of any kind.
>>81257647
That's not Marxism. Its not even communist. We have been doing that for years. Its called capitalism. Is your car insurance communist? once you start receiving rations and totally free healthcare than you can cry DAMNED COMMUNISM. Until than go open a book.
>>81257374
Socialism- a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The Democrat platform is the most leftist it has ever been because of Bernie easing socialism into the minds of young people so Hillary and other Democrats are going more to the left.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-most-progressive-democratic-platform-ever/2016/07/12/82525ab0-479b-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html
>>81257374
This. "Muh bigger state is communism" is false and not an argument.
>>81257902
The Constitution says the right to bear arms is not to be infringed.
Because the US military is filled with welfare cases who would kill their own mother if it got them more PTSD gimmes. Your average US soldier thinks that getting a sunburn qualifies him for lifetime disability and a sex change operation.
>>81258153
It's a slippery slope as more people start to rely on the government the more socialist/communist we will become.
>>81257535
>Fuck off, Obama-despising liars. He's not the best president we've had, but he's certainly not the devil incarnate that so many fucktards like to claim.
This.
>>81253463
To purge the jews and stop white genocide.
>>81258309
Bigger state is Communism, you can't build Communism in a free society.
>>81253214
Because we live with an absence of God, so things being bad ideologically means nothing to the populace. It's only when they become bad in /////tangible forms///// will any sort of readdress occur.
>>81257561
I mean its different if you think we should have them and if the Constitution says we should. Personally, I believe it doesn't and we shouldn't, but hey to each their own.
>>81257882
Don't isolate that phrase. It clearly is missing out half of what they say. What about the regulated militia? Look at the other Admendments, the aren't that specific of laws, more so generalized, so why would this JUST be about guns? It wouldn't. It's about opposition to the government and protection of the citizens. Where a militia is no longer needed, the citizens need not always be armed.
>>81258580
Tell that to the native americans.
>>81258488
except he's only exascerbated every problem we've ever had a hundred fold.
race relations
fast and furious
executive orders on amnesty for illegal immigrants
constantly attempting to overreach
he's easily in the top 10 worst presidents of the united states.
>>81257681
At least try to be somewhat coherent next time.
>>81253214
Because every four years there is a peaceful transition of power. We do not need a coup when our leaders are subjected to laws that deliberately limit the amount of damage they can actually do to our country.
>>81258096
It could be repealed but that would never happen because it's political suicide. For the sake of a argument lets say it did the 2nd American civil war would begin
>>81257882
>WELL
>REGULATED
>MILITIA
>>81258664
It says everything to have it, arms = infantry weapon, if it's safe enough for infantry to have it's safe enough for citizens.
>>81257120
>that's not how it works
The U.S. exists to fuck with everyone else.
We never fuck with our own, except for sport.
>>81258469
Letting people have guns is a slippery slope. Letting people have freedom is a slippery slope. They'll just commit crimes!
>>81257535
>This. Fuck off, Obama-despising liars. He's not the best president we've had, but he's certainly not the devil incarnate that so many fucktards like to claim.
Those guys are fucking crazy.
In 2008, someone bet me 100 dollars that we wouldn't be allowed to vote in 2012.
>greatest country in the world
>not couping a nigger
american empire has fallen
>>81258755
Best post
>>81257425
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"
COMMA
"the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
They deliberately separated militia from people, as two distinct, discreet things. That comma indicates two different clauses. You can argue what makes a militia a militia-- are they the police, the National Guard, or whatever-- but the fact remains that the Second Amendment specifies that the right of "the people" to own-- and carry, by the way, which is what "bear" means, if you hadn't figured that out-- firearms is absolute.
>>81259345
Oh look a turkposter
Hows it going buddy?
>>81258782
Yes, but what about the fact that who you vote for doesn't matter?
See
>>81254282
Also, you,
>>81258351
see the second part of
>>81258664
Its deeper than you make it out to be
>>81259249
Oh I had family members buying 25 year shelf life rations saying we will all end up in labor camps. I'm not fucking joking. That's how fucked up talk radio has these people.
>>81253214
Because we do our overthrowing at the ballot box faggot.
>>81254689
The worst stereotype at that
>>81258580
Just like Nazi Germany was communist? The Japanese Empire? Or how about Franco's Spain? Modern-day Russia? None of these are anywhere near communism.
Do you even >pic related?
>>81258469
>It's a slippery slope because as more people do X the more Y we will become
are you even trying
>>81253799
>his step-dad is close enough since he's black you don't even need to research the sauce about his real papu.
>>>81253820
> <^>this this this all fucking day.
>>81253959
True Boriqua but they coming for our comfy beds, A/C, and freedoms of internets friend.
>>81256345
REMINDER THAT SHILLS ARE FUCKING EVERYWHERE.
>Shall not be infringed
>To protect against a government turned tyrannical.
>inb4 haha ur so paranoid. If you've never studied history you can go cry on ribbit about how the right wing extremists are triggering you
>>81259560
You're creating a strawman, none of those states have anything in common with the current one.
Only way for Communism to exist is in a large state.
>>81259529
BUT MUH FEMA CAMPS!!
>>81259444
>Yes, but what about the fact that who you vote for doesn't matter?
Yeah, that's fair. Election tampering is a huge concern, and the Electoral College system no longer functions as originally intended. The fact is that the votes in one county in Ohio and several in Florida matter more than any cast in New York, California, or Texas, just by virtue of population distribution.
>>81259758
The USA establishment is Anti-Monarchist, Anti-Nationalist, Anti-Freedom, therefore a stronger state of the regime will result in stronger of what they do, curtailing rights and delivering "social justice".
>>81259727
>presents reasonable facts
>shills
go to bed kiddo
>>81259614
Look at Venezuela, the govt seized the private oil companies and BAM! Before you know it grocery stores are empty, there is no toilet paper, no gas and Venezuela is now a communist hell whole
>>81255414
>>81258664
The US Bill of Rights is pretty vague about the 2nd amendment, however, the US Supreme Court has ruled in favor of individual rights saying ownership could "contribute to the common defense.".
>>81259412
The fuck are they in the same amendment for? The first amendment discusses several different ideas all relating to free speech.
The second amendment regard the security of citizens from anything contesting the security of a free state. People are in the militia, thus why they are both mentioned. Since the Militia exists, the people need guns. And a militia-- civilian soliders, if you hadn't figured that out, not a national guard-- is made up of people that would need guns in order for it to function in any meaningful way.
>>81260264
>Look at Venezuela, the govt
Wow a infamously corrupt govt ruined things in an unstable country? That's so similar to the U.S with free healthcare...
>>81253214
us military is specifically designed not to have a military coup there would be way too much infighting for it to be effective
>>81260800
Why should I have to pay for other people's healthcare. Pay for your own shit
>>81259727
Go back to school, the adults are talking
>>81260342
It is vague, and discussing it as we are is reasonable. But the Supreme Court has considered itself wrong on many cases in the past.
>>81260264
Look at Sweden, Free Healthcare and the best living standards in the world. BAM!
>>81260834
Balkanizing is also fine
>>81260264
lol still using Venezuela
>FUCKING VENEZUELA
as an example for anything. They could have set up their government in any way, the amount of corruption and reliance on a single market in there makes it irrelevant.
>>81261327
>New York being part of New England
It's not, and New England and New York are bitter rivals in almost everything. We'd never unify with New York just because it's next to us. That's like saying Texas will unify with California just because they're sunny.
>>81261026
I have insurance, nice try though.
Ask doctors how they feel about it, they get shafted for medical supplies at ridiculous prices which makes costs increase.
If a hospital isn’t able to negotiate good terms for their supplies, then inevitably these costs get passed along to payers and patients alike. And since many providers negotiate with commercial payers based on what Medicare pays you can see the overall impact on healthcare spending.
Everything is fine the way it is though, right?
>>81261327
>mfw florida is her own country reeeeeeeee
>>81261327
First for cascadia
>>81261180
Sweden will be a 3rd world country by 2030
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html
>>81253214
Gas is less than 2 dollars a gallon and Obama won the last election by millions and millions of votes.
>>81261327
Did someone just pick random states and ecide to put them together?
>>81261173
>the Supreme Court has considered itself wrong on many cases in the past.
Very true. It HAS upheld and supported this general argument throughout the centuries though.
I'm not saying if it's correct or the decisions can't change. Per the checks and balances system that the founding fathers implemented, the interpretation of the constitution falls under the rule of the Supreme Court.
>>81254337
freedom of religion != freedom from religion, freedom to pick the wrong religion
acceptable sects of christianity ONLY please
>>81253324
Wrong, fucker. We're just waiting for clinton or trump to fuck up hardcore before we push the Fed's shit in.
>>81261327
>Dakota having influence over Minnesota
Including both in the upper midwest is a more viable option.
>>81261920
>spiese.com
AHAHAHaha you're joking right? Sweden has a brighter future than the US. The sma ewebsite says Greece will be better off than most of the rest of Europe by 2030 aswell.
>>81262263
Shouldn't you be drinking heavily and raping Japanese women
>>81261944
Gas is around $2 thanks to the conservative governors
>>81262425
>governors
>having anything to do with OPEC and friends willfully bleeding cash reserves in order to shut down oil exploration
>>81262375
Sweden will be a Muslim country soon
>>81253214
Already happened silently 60 years ago.
>>81257120
Hah. Our propaganda machine and bread and circuses are much too powerful to allow anything like that
>>81262885
Gas prices are low because OPEC had to lower them to push back against fracking. I wonder who would have a say over fracking in a given state.
>>81254463
>The invasion of Iraq.
>The invasion of Libya.
>The invasion of Afghanistan.
If you're willing to invade the US, why would you find invading Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan wrong?
>The arming of criminals.
That's called the second amendment.
>CIA plots all over the world.
You know what the least popular CIA plot is? *STAGING COUPS*. The sort of people who will stage a coup aren't really going to see it as inherently amoral to stage coups.
>Engineering falseflags to curtail rights of the people.
That's /pol/, not the government.
>Shitting on the constitution.
Overthrowing the government by force requires taking a great big dump on the constitution.
>Being controlled by foreigners and not the citizenry.
This isn't actually true.
>Giving control of the currency of the PEOPLE into private hands.
Nobody gives a fuck. Don't like money, then barter, use buttcoin, or hoard gold.
>Allowing banks to have power over the production of the people.
While the military is further left than many people think, on average they don't hate capitalism.
>Shaping and undermining the peoples will with massive propaganda via the educational and media system.
That's Rupert Murdoch. He is not part of the US government.
>Being anti-european for decades.
That's Nigel Farage and Marine Le Pen. They are not part of the US government.
>Being a multi racialist regime.
I can't see the military deciding to overthrow the government for not being sufficiently evil.
>Allowing 50 million unemployed.
>Allowing millions of homeless.
I mentioned that thing about capitalism already.
>Undermining all thoughts and wills of the people that goes against the democratic owners will.
That's not even English.
>Going against the interests of Americans and causing our deaths for foreigners benefit.
Almost every stupid thing we've done has been done by people who sincerely believed it was in the interests of Americans.
>>81263630
>there are people that think everything the evil empire has done is justifiable
Wow. Hope this is bait.
>>81261327
get those dirty cunt countries out of my minnesota you fuckface
>>81263545
Fracking doesn't even put a dent into our energy usage and fracking sites in a state of shutdown and brought back online for cheap. They don't give a shit about that compared to those exploitations that have considerable tear down/build up/shutdown/restart costs.
>>81259929
Incorrect. The fact that the votes in some places matter more than others is an intentional part of the design of the Constitution, because the small states were afraid that Virginia and New York would buttfuck them if votes were evenly distributed. In fact, the current policy is MUCH closer to even voting power than the framers intended - the original system permitted states to impose property requirements to vote, and allowed the 'votes' of people who were not legally allowed to vote to magnify the votes of the states where their owners lived.
>>81253214
>yfw we get a coup with nuclear subs and missile bases on both sides
>>81260264
Venezuela was a fucking mess before Chavez. Being a liberal, it's obvious to me that he was a bad President, but blaming it all on him is like blaming the mess in Iraq on Obama and forgetting that Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan were all meddling there.
>>81263630
I really don't have the energy to go through this whole post, but damn your last point is hilarious.
>Almost every stupid thing we've done has been done by people who sincerely believed it was in the interests of Americans.
I honestly can't think of a war after WWII Americans supported in any large way. Even pre WWII Spanish-American war was opposed (see carnegie), WWI was largely opposed by isolationists, and the list goes on.
>>81264309
You aren't wrong, but you do see how this is awful now, right? The population differences back in colonial era were completely different from the pop difference of Wyoming and Calli.
Besides, the primary process, which is completely a private thing, has literally no reason to be democratic and is not in anyway shape or form making the general election irrelevant anyway in terms of representing the people.
>>81253214
you get black live matters.
because people that get upset about things cry on twitter instead of doing anything
>>81264591
All of the liberal hell hole cities get nukes
>>81265063
How are you doing turk bro?
Who's winning?
>>81254282
Comments like these is why I come to /pol/ - the rest are just childish trash. Like literally annoying.
>Obama is the devil because he wants martial law
>I wish there was a military coup
>>81254463
The Golf of Tonkin ( manipulated public opinion to support the Vietnam war) false flag is already over the top, let alone all the other times ships mysteriously blew up and we went to war
>>81264067
Your hopes have been granted! Your post is in fact, bait. It has attracted both a (You) and a
Not. An. Argument.
>>81257120
Look at this board. More than half the fuckers here think Trump, a billionaire conman who got where he is with daddy's money and contacts, will be an end to the rule of the elites. Now realize that half of the rest of the country is even dumber. This is why shit won't change; the system is rigged and the elite are too good at playing groups that could unite and challenge them in some small part against each other.
>>81266161
Thank you. I'm honestly surprised that his board ran to suck Trump's dick. Sure, he isn't the status quo of Hillary, but he's the symbol of building a bridge between the gap of super rich and high ranking political positions. If this line is crossed it shows that the American people are willing to let this small group of the immensely powerful be completely combined into being the richest and most influential in policy making. Too much is on the line for our leaders to only have to care about money, our environment is collapsing, terror attacks are almost daily now, and with nationalism on the rise, conflicts it may produce could be used for profit.
Is this becoming the most woke board in /pol/ history
>>81265427
ty anon
By the way, anyone interested in ousting the criminal elements of our govt, restoring the constitution (including getting out of the UN) need to keep in mind that it is a RESTORATION movement and NOT a REVOLUTION. The constitution is already there but disregarded, we aren't revolting against it we are restoring it
>>81253214
Because most of you look like pic related and cannot be arsed.
>>81264786
I'm not saying every stupid thing was *POPULAR*. I'm saying most people doing stupid things do so because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Going against the interests of Americans is an abstract concept that can be applied to *anything* someone doesn't like.
>Electoral college isn't right for US-2016
I agree with you on that one.
The primaries aren't mandated by the Constitution, but they aren't forbidden either - if a majority of us objected, we could elect people who didn't come from the party primary process, or change the primary process to be more representative of the populace. California's done the latter for our internal primary elections and it looks like it's helping a bit.
>>81266161
Savage
>>81265802
Imma just gonna click on each of those upboat buttons until one of them works.
>>81267092
With the advent of the internet, the way the two parties use the mainstream media to monopolize the elections can potentially be subverted.
>Electoral college isn't right for US-2016
Can you guys elaborate. I've heard people say this a lot but the electoral college usually votes along their representative districts. One benefit of it is that it gives more weight to less populous states.
What is your idea of a different system? A direct election?
>>81253214
Because we aren't fucking niggers that try to usurp democracy when we don't get what we want.
Winning the will of the people is more important in the long run anyways.
>>81253959
b-b-but i cant get laid anon RACE WAR NAO !!!
>>81266790
I don't disagree with the Constitution being applicable, as our founding fathers did an exemplary job. However, the Industrial Revolution and the rise of a super rich class (not just the wealthy that naturally come with capitalism- I mean ungodly rich and only caring for money super rich) is something no one from an era of farming economies could have predicted, so an update is not out of the question for the words of our forefathers. As for leaving the UN, eh I think that may be a different argument.
>>81267092
>I'm not saying every stupid thing was *POPULAR*
Okay, that's fair. I think that people did want some sort of war after, say, 9/11 as some sort of retribution. Not necessarily a war in Iraq, but I get what ya sayin.
As for the primaries I mean they aren't forbidden, but they are clearly not democratic and are inhibiting the American's right to choose so they need to be abolished as actually getting enough people to vote third party/independent would just ruin whatever party your branching off from.
Honestly, I don't anything about internal CA politics, but maybe we could mirror something similar federally?
>>81266074
Wow it's Allan Dulles. I thought you were dead.
>>81263630
>t. bootlicker
>>81262237
Yeah no, fuck off shill.
Because Turkey is an unstable country filled with hotheads while USA is stable and filled with fat drones?
>>81254282
This.
The system has been rigged and broken for a very long time and thanks to Corperations making up all of the connected speach other than word of mouth, free speach is dead so those in power see no need for 2A as it was only there to protect 1A
>>81253214
DO IT FAGGOT
>>81255414
I don't agree with the autist that he's a communist, but you obviously have no idea how guns function, nor have knowledge of the second amendment.
Assault rifles are virtually banned in the USA. They have selective fire capabilities and have been virtually impossible to obtain.
The second amendment has always granted the right to all men of the United States. Essentially its purpose was to establish a fundamental right of the people to keep and bear arms, and to establish well regulated militias should they need them (well regulated at the time meant well equipped and in good working order).
Furthermore, all founding fathers: Thomas Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, Mason etc, are all quoted clarifying that the right of every person to own arms is a given, and reinforced those sentiments by making a bill of rights including that.
So yes, every person has the right to keep and bear arms.
https://youtu.be/MW_noXjj6w8
>>81267524
Why do less populous states need more weight? That made more sense at the time of the Revolution, when inter-state mobility was poor, but as it is I could totally go to Nevada if I wanted.
A direct election would be superior, IMO - probably with an open primary so we'd have a chance to go 'MUH CONSCIENCE' followed by 'ugh, lesser evil' instead of the current one where we go from rabid pandering to the base to ugh lesser evil.
>>81267703
The rise of the super-rich wasn't a surprise - IIRC Washington funded a large chunk of the Federal government out of his personal fortune, and on the Loyalist side the power structure was stacked full of *feudal nobility*, many of whom were quite wealthy themselves.
We might be able to wedge a better Presidential primary through piecemeal through state-level legislation, since the Presidential primaries are controlled by state law. IIRC there's already a project to enact national popular vote on a state-by-state level - pass laws binding electors to vote according to the national popular vote, that will take effect once a majority of the electors are bound by such law. I think Vermont or Maine or someone splits their electoral votes to approximate the state popular vote, which would also take us closer to a real popular vote.
(To some degree, the electoral college is also a workaround for slow communication and the assumption that there will be widespread geographic variance - if you expect the 2000 election to be 30% Dem, 30% Rep, 20% Lib, 20% Green, with whole states throwing themselves to green or lib or dem or rep, then having a bunch of party representatives meet and hash out a compromise makes sense... and sounds suspiciously similar to how the Brits pick their PM IIRC.)
>>81253214
We don't need one yet.
>>81255414
First amendment doesn't mention TV or Radio either anon.
