I'm about to buy guns.
I already wanted to do it since 2014 but now i'm really gonna buy guns this year.
Is this good?
I suggest others peoples to buy guns too.
Look at this americans and suggest anything
>buying a semi
>a half year before they will be banned
/k/ here
What exactly are your laws over there? And do you live in a rural or urban area?
Answers to both of these will allow me to help you decide what your most useful weapon would be
Are you allowed to own semi-automatic rifles?
also owning guns in europe is useless outside of Czechia and estonia since CC is a nono
>>81147067
I have a used one, certified to work.
>>81147461
Fuck off, you defeatist cuck. If he has the gun, he can shoot the EU lapdogs when they come to disarm him.
Man, we really fucked your country over hard. Bunch of fuckin' cucks.
>>81147067
French flag
Buying a gun
Are you moving to America, Henry? In France, all guns are banned.
>>81147556
>not having a gun at home when the caliphate begins
>>81147690
Yeah I don't understand this Frenchie. I thought they just passed a law banning all semi-autos.
>>81147461
I know but I will try.
And they won't ban bolt action rifle.
>>81147499
Don't you see the pic?
You can have AR15, AK47, AUG A3 but semi auto only.
Pistols too.
>>81147556
Any countries where you can open carry?
Tell me about French laws and I will help you choose your weaponry.
Anybody else with Gun questions feel free to ask.
>>81147863
Czechia and Switzerland if you are in the military (like most men)
>>81147067
What part is legally considered the gun in France?
>>81147067
advice: choose a rifle and handgun that use the same ammunition as your military/police.
>>81147792
Buy something cheap without an exchangeable mag then, like an SKS
>>81147905
You can own any semi-auto rifle with max capacity of 30 round magazine and 1000 ammos per guns I think.
10 mag also per guns.
The only problem is that the EU is trying to ban them...
I wonder how they feel now, guns are not necessary to kill 100 peoples.
>>81147067
Aww, does your murder weapon make you feel like a man? Hahahaha. You're pathetic.
I think its time for eurofags to accept they live in communist country. Sweden, france, germany you name it you may be told to vacuate your family from your home to make room for muslim migrants. My dad grew up in a communist country they took his family cow so he had no milk to drink and he grew up poor because of it. Having a gun will do absolutely nothing for you.
>>81148114
Buy an AR 15 since your military uses 5.56 NATO, you'll always have access to ammo
>>81147905
Is a Tavor even worth it? The other option here would be shitty quality AR-15s or VZ58s.
>>81148111
Look very cheap, are you a gun owner?
>>81148168
I won't feed trolls.
>>81147067
You can own scary salted rifles in France?
I'd go with the Ruger AR556 but there are better AR producers than Ruger. Mini-14 are also kind of cool but not as practical as the AR. AR is GOAT
>>81147067
I think you should consider buying a truck instead.
>>81147067
pls be mass shooter
>>81147905
>>81147690
I'm sure you can own most weapons if you have the valid firearm certificates. Even here you can. All the government requires is that you have a good reason (good club member) and have it stored properly (steel bolted locked case).
>>81148440
What are the best AR?
I'll tell you if they are available.
>>81148168
>>81148168
BIN
THAT
KNIFE
>>81147067
Finally bought an AR a week before the Dallas shooting. They are now completely sold out and in backorder Hell.
Don't waste your time with a 5.56x45, extremely underwhelming tbqh. Literally any slavshit caliber will outperform. 5.56 is just a louder .22lr
If legal in your country get something in 7.62x39 (SKS is my fav) or 7.62 NATO.
>>81148334
Tavor is decent but way overpriced for what you get. Essentially you get shekel'd.
AR-15 is highest value assault-style rifle with so many options for accessories you will be overwhelmed.
>>81148361
Im not a gun owner since i dont see the point of having a registerd gun that you arent allowed to carry, but i was responsible for maintenance of army equipment when i was in the military for 4 years
>>81147461
>Buy the gun
>Fake a burglary
>Now have one free gun, as in freedom
>>81147067
Best gun your gonna get for under 500, its better to buy high quality sks then low quality ar15
>>81148602
The Ruger 556 is just fine. It's very well build and has all the necessary features.
>>81147067
You may want to go over the /k/ they will give you good suggestions
>Europe
>guns
>>81148809
If you want to go illegaly anyway get an M16 from your favourite drug dealer
>>81148825
>tfw no vietcong made sks rip-off
why live
>>81147067
>Windows 10
condolences
Are 80% lowers illegal in France?
>>81148710
Ignore this meme spewing autist.
>>81148168
Ever shot a gun mate? It's like shooting the golden spunk of the gods out ofJHVH's own cock.
If you don't like guns you gay.
>>81148114
So, M110 and SCAR H in semi auto are an option?
>>81148710
>>81148602
Thing is I don't know what you can get in France (in terms of the market, not legality as I've read your previous posts) but In America BCM makes a high quality product for a very fair price. However, I don't know if they export overseas... FN probably sells in France i'd imagine and they make M16's for the USMC.
Get FN if possible but you won't go wrong with Ruger. They certainly aren't terrible you could do a lot worse.
>>81148730
Trust me I agree, but knowing you have a gun in your house make you feel safe.
>>81148825
AR10 look good to me.
>>81148848
Ok, as long as it is reliable and efficient i'm ok with it.
>>81147067
Can you get Daniel Defense?
>>81149104
I also forgot to mention: If you are considering an AR-15, go DI not Piston. If you don't know what either of those mean than check out /arg/ on /k/ and they'll probably help you out with what you want.
>>81149037
The semi version of the SCAR-H is the SCAR 17S.
But it is absolutly overpriced and overcomplicated.
If you want an semi despite everything get an AK or an AR
>>81147905
Best option for a cheap self-defense concealed carry weapon? I've heard plenty of opinions but another one never hurts.
>>81147067
Buy a pistol and carry it illegally.
>>81147067
Ignore the Mini-14. AR-15 is okay.
>Those prices though
Wew, thats pretty harsh. Are H&K variants even more expensive?
>>81148825
Ruger's are not low quality, they are middle of the road. And just about any AR beats the snot out of a fucking SKS
>>81149037
SCAR 17 is available in semi but expensive and rare.
>>81149104
Yes you can have FN.
You can also have troy, windham weaponary and ton of others brands.
>>81148114
They are going to ban all semi-autos soon. You're going to have to turn your gun over when the EU goons come knocking on your door next year.
I say you should just get a bolt-action rifle so you don't have to worry about getting your gun confiscated in the future.
>>81148904
I am white.
>>81149330
That's a mighty unusual flag you got there, friendo.
>>81149462
RACIST
>>81147067
308 is a lot of rifle. I would go with 223 or 762x39 unless you are a big muscular dude.
>>81149323
Don't think cheap, think economical. Glock and FNH pistols fit that category well.
>>81147461
>>81147556
Your tags says your german? What happened did your balls drop off when Merkel became chancellor?
>>81149189
It's reliable, then again so are most ARs over 600$
>>81147067
AR-15 is a good rifle.
AKs too - very durable. Almost indestructible.
SKS - as someone suggested - is also good. I'd take an SKS as second rifle, or a bolt action.
I have a Steyr AUG Z A3. Very durable. The barrel is built for eternity and it can fire under nearly all conditions. Cleaning kit and oil in Stock.
They can ban whatever they want - noone can take from you what they cannot find, or what you lost in a tragic boating accident.
>>81149189
>>81149030
opinions, man
>>81149094
I'm being sincere. I have the Ruger AR556. It's a simple AR and performs very well. I just don't like the caliber.
>>81147596
what optic is that? Any ideas?
>>81147067
Buy the mini 14 if you want a cheap .223
It's like an AR15 but people will never call it a salt weapon.
Shotgun? Get a mossberg.
Rifle? Get an AR or German equivalent.
Can't afford an AR? Get a EE surplus rifle.
Handgun? Leave the country.
>>81149426
I'd go with FN if given a choice but Troy and Windham are reputable. Just choose which one has the better price tag if you don't care about the rollmark (stamped logo) on your rifle.
>>81149548
No, im just realistic.
A self defense tool that cant be carried around and has to be locked in a safe isn't a self defense tool anymore but useless metal
Holy shit those prices. I got my Ruger AR 556 for $650.
It's a good gun OP. I'd recommend it. It never once jammed on me and it's well made. It's a good AR
>>81149526
.308 can be heavy but is manageable. Depends on the platform more than the round.
>>81148602
Any quality AR will do. Ammo availability is going to be the deciding factor.
That first ruger AR-556 is fine, and a better choice than the mini-14's.
I personally prefer the AK platform based on design philosophy, but what is really the deciding factor is where you are going to get more ammo from. Since your government uses 5.56, I'd go with that.
>>81149730
>has to be locked in a safe
Read that over again...
>>81147067
ruger is legit as fuck.
get a smith and wesson if you want to be pro
>>81149433
I will do if they do the ban.
>>81149379
Yeah there is a bit of HK, HK A3 and HK293;
There are more tho.
>>81149526
2nded
5.56 is superior to .308 logistically speaking.
>>81148334
you know you can buy a tavor in some canadian tires
>>81149681
EE surplus rifle?
>>81147067
>windows 10
>chrome
>pol
>gun website
Your on the list now
>>81147067
What's the most common caliber that your police and military use? Buy a gun in that caliber.
RugerAR-556 is a perfectly fine rifle.
I've been thinking about buying a gun for the longest time. I really like revolvers though... and will probably buy one over any type of gun.
Any model you'd recommend? Kinda thinking about picrelated
>>81149916
Eastern Euro/Russian
>>81150030
revolvers are shit but if you are dead set on it get one in .357
>>81147067
.308 better than .223 for stopping hajis if it comes to it
Another /k/ tard here. I know my way around Canadias gun laws rather well, and from what I understand, their not that different than Britans. AMA
Pic related are a few of my QT's.
>>81150030
If you're set on a revolver anything that's from the major manufacturers (S&W, Cuckger, Colt) are gud.
But get a semi-auto if you want a good handgun desu senpai.
>>81149526
No, the .308 rifle isn't very heavy.
>>81149627
Yes I love the AUG A3, what is better tho, short barrel version or long barrel?
>>81149706
The troy are very expensive tho.
There is the FN15 available.
>>81149791
Honestly prices isn't a problem, i'm just thinking that they will ban them.
>>81149433
>I say you should just get a bolt-action rifle so you don't have to worry about getting your gun confiscated in the future.
fucking lol.
'Assault weapons' today, 'sniper rifles' tomorrow.
Look at Australia, they are working to ban evil deadly lever action guns.
And once they finish banning guns, they'll come after knives and other offensive weapons next.
That is the end game for the disarmament cause.
>>81150030
Revolvers are for comfy collecting m8.
If you really want to be safe you buy a high capacity Glock, H&K or Sig.
>>81150030
Older S&W are supposedly the cat's ass but are expensive. I have a new S&W for summer CC that shoots well. I would not want to rely on one in a SHTF scenario.
>>81149730
>has to be locked in a safe
Yeah, better not have it sitting loaded under your bed since you know, the police often goes door to door for suprise gun inspections... pussy
>>81150230
>That shotgun
You leafs are lucky.
>>81150267
FN15 would be a great option, I'd recommend. FN makes good stuff.
Practically speaking, almost all AR's are good but steer clear of anything DPMS or Olympic. Other than that, you really can't go wrong. If you are strapped for cash a Ruger will do just fine.
Make sure whatever you buy is chambered for NATO rounds so your resistance group can raid abandoned military posts for supplies.
>>81149927
windows 8 but whatever ik its hard to see with with those slanty eyees
>>81150424
They indeed do it, here in germany twice a year
>>81147596
Fucking kek'ed verbally.
>>81150364
I have owned a few Sigs. They are approaching Kimber in terms of diminishing returns regarding price vs quality.
I've been thinking about buying a gun for a while now. I've tried several, and I liked shooting the Glock 17 gen4 the most.
Though I see there is a Glock 19 for the same price. What's the difference between a 17 and a 19?
>being a 5.56 jewed cuck
>>81150518
It's an 870 Express Super Magnum... Aka yes to 3 1/2" shells. This is my config with the 12" barrel. I can't technically put my pistol grip on while using this barrel because it's exceed the minimum length and become a prohibited.
Pic related, some moar qt's.
>>81148361
The SKS is generally pretty good and reliable. I am not sure how easy it will by to find 7.62X39 in France. Also, the SKS does not use a detachable magazine and is instead fed through the top with an actual clip.
It might be a good option.
>>81150719
Glock 19 is a little bit smaller than the Glock 17 but also the regular mags take less rounds
>>81150526
I never hold one, but I like the look of the AR15 thats look like M16.
There is also AR15 that look like M4 which is much shorter.
A friend of mine let me held his Famas rifle one day and it was not heavy yet he told me it's was 4-5kgs which more heavy than most ar15
>>81150720
>high performance out of a long barrel while being very compact and lightweight
gee what's to like...
>>81150719
Size I think
Glock 19 makes a great carry gun, though a little big for some people
>>81150720
When will this meme die?
There's a reason the Russian went to 5.45 from 7.62
>>81147461
if officials ever come to grab your guns just say "oh, I lost that months ago in the woods"
>>81150867
Like I said it's not an ammo or rifle problem because you can find anything on every gunstore online.
The problem is that they ' may ' ban it, nothing official yet tho.
>>81150867
>clip
>>81150267
Short Barrel - lighter rifle and more compact to handle.
Mid Barrel - compromise (before taking this I'd always take the long barrel)
Long barrel - makes best use of the gas preassure. Looks even more threatening. Weighs a bit more.
If you go for AUG Z - get a better charging handle. The original one is the only flaw of the AUG. It is too small, especially when wearing winter gloves.
>>81151151
SKS wont be banned because it has no exchangeable mag
>>81150959
What's the most common rifle caliber used by your military and police?
>>81150959
Lifting it for one minute is a thing, carrying it all day in your hands is another.
>>81150267
>Honestly prices isn't a problem, i'm just thinking that they will ban them.
Well, then yours got 'stolen'. What a shame.
Look you're not allowed to use your weapon for defensive purposes anyway, so the whole point is to have a weapon to defend yourself with when the law doesn't mean anything anymore.
If they ban them, will it be a 'buyback' program where they pay you for your banned weapon (out of your own taxes, fucking lol), or will you have to forfeit it with no compensation?
If it's the former, then buy it. There is a chance you may be grandfathered in, or you might just have to convert your semi auto AR into a straight pull AR by blocking the gas tube, and convert your 30 round magazines into 10 round magazines by putting a rivet in them. Both quickly and easily reversible procedures should the situation warrant breaking the law for your own protection.
There are states here with various gun restrictions, and there are always ways around them.
Get the AR, worst comes to worst they ban semi autos, and you convert it to be a manual action, or get your money back in a buyback and buy something else, or lose it in a tragic boating accident or whatever the french equivalent is.
>>81150959
>I never hold one, but I like the look of the AR15 thats look like M16.
I do too, that is what my AR is modeled off of but I built mine instead of buying it.
Most AR's you'll find are of the M4 type and each has their own advantages but most would say overall the M4 is less of a hassle to carry around. rifle-length (M16-like) AR have the benefit of longer sight-radius, better parts durability (because of longer gas system) and more projectile velocity but the last one is considered minor. Also the rifle length AR's are very slightly quieter but you'll probably be unable to tell the difference.
Either the M16 or M4, both are very lightweight.
>>81147863
>>81147994
No open carry in the Czech rep., even airsoft guns must be concealed.
>>81147905
all i have is a Mossberg 500 and a Ruger 10/22 .
Am I good?
>>81151265
He's French so probably 9mm and 5.56, and the occasional weird ass ammo that's in the FNP90.
>>81150230
Whats the fun on the bottom there?
>>81151222
they are stripper clips
what's your point? the term is correct
For home defense you want a SHOTGUN
Hear me... a SHOTGUN buddy.
I was going to suggest skipping 5.56mm and getting 7.62mm NATO but that will overpenetrate easily (shoot through people and walls). And those guns are mighty expensive even in the states.
Also a Shotgun is Pump Action so its not semi-automatic, and it has viable purposes as a hunting tool so it would be the last item that they would ban.
12 Gauge, thats about 18 millimeters wide, and you want to make sure to get one thats a "3.5" inch magnum. So that way it can handle --any-- of the shotgun shells that exist for 12 Gauge.
For self defense you want to get Buckshot style shells, and really any of the shotgun shells that say Buckshot will do the job nicely (for these the pellets inside range from 6mm to 9mm in size).
These will incapacitate just about anybody with a good shot at about 25-50 meters. Closer than that even a grazing shot will usually put someone down while a good shot will kill them instantly.
How hard is it in UK to get a Bolt-Action Rifle/Shotgun?
Looked into the licenses you need, but haven't applied... Doubt they'll give you one if you're in the city/suburbs.
Pls Burgers no bully.
>>81150230
Ew.
>>81147067
What? Frogs can actually buy guns?
I thought police there didn't even have guns until recently
>>81151538
he's just baiting you m8
>>81150719
The 19 has a shorter grip & barrel, 15 round capacity instead of 17 round. It is easier to conceal on your person.
Get the 19.
regards, someone who owns a glock 17.
>>81151529
Norinco Type 97. Uses AR mags, and has a 1n7 twist. A.k.a it shoots surplus ammo well.
>>81151544
>shotgun
big as fuck ammo and very limited range. AR-15 is better overall.
>>81151515
do you have 1.2 billion rounds of ammunition?
>>81150230
Did you steal those guns from arcade machines? lmao
>>81151515
Get a .308 bolt action.
Then a 9mm that should help.
>>81147461
Tee Mohammed
>>81151640
Yeah but I just hate the shorter grip. If you don't have baby hands your pinky will hang off the grip.
>>81149844
lol, where are these 5.56 cucks coming from?
>>81151741
Lmfao, the shorter the better;)
>>81151228
Ok I think it's better when it's compact.
Just personnal opinion tho.
>>81151260
Thats good news then.
>>81151265
5.56
>>81151283
I'm only gonna carry it for shooting.
>>81151296
Yeah of course i'll buy one.
I really don't care about the ban.
I just pray they give up on this law.
>>81151320
Thanks for the advices my man.
Might as well try both just to see.
>>81151544
Surely a shotgun is powerfull but only 10 ammos in the mag?
Not good if you miss your target.
>>81151626
Well you can buy since the 1900's
And you were allowed to buy automatic rifles in 1980 if i'm correct, now they are banned.
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>>81151727
no im not one of those guys. 22lr is so cheap so i can see why people hoard it.
>>81151750
>308
why?
>>81148602
Good european AR-15 manufacturers which I know are: HERA Arms, Schmeisser, Oberland Arms
>>81151515
I would advice getting either a .556, 7.62x39, or a 7.62x51 to compliment those.
>>81151849
It's not really that they're short, but that they look like cheap plastic guns you'd find kids playing with.
I guess if they're practical, then good for you
>>81149657
It's literally just a cheap ass NC Star/Chinkshit scope. Probably cost you $20-50 on eBay.
>Arguing over .223 and .308
Get .300 BLACK OUT
>>81147067
a .70 cal elephant gun
>>81152064
You can't buy a more expensive 22lr lever gun.
>>81151927
This isn't 2011, we berenstain here
>ywn own a FAMAS
JDIMSA
>>81151720
Yeah but I think he's speaking about home defense and close range. I sincerely do not think he's talking about suppressive fire or shooting back at snipers 300 meters away.
And if thats the case an AR15 will do... but a Shotgun will do someone with 1 Shot. And usually you get at least 3 and its pretty quick to stick at least 1 shell in (and the sturdy heavy simple frame of a shotgun makes for an excellent head busting tool to give you time to put 1 shell in it)
I mean technically if you're James Bond a .25acp will do since he's an assassin.
But even our pathetic police officers in the states cant shoot like James Bond. So they have to empty a whole glock magazine and make a bloody mess for the news.
>>81147067
Guns are legal in France?
Wow, didn't know this.
Now you're truly fucked. Millions of mudslimes from the third world already in your country, percentage wise more than any country in Europe, and with more coming every year via immigration and the repulsive rate they breed at.
And they can all legally own guns?
Wew lad. You're fucked.
>>81147067
It wasn't a fucking 'terrorist atttack'. It was an angsty lone person--not even islamic. More like elliot rodgers than isis.
>>81147067
Go and buy 2 rifles: one double barreled shotgun 12ga and one bolt action rifle .308. Make sure you have a good scope on your rifle. Learn how to shoot them well. Learn how to shoot moving targets from afar with that rifle. Learn how to navigate in your home with the shotgun. Maybe join whatever hunters lobby there is in your country, since they have more influence than hobby shooters to keep their guns.
Suggest to your friends and family to do the same.
As average guy you won't be needing much more.
>>81151819
Simple problem with a simple solution.
a glock 19 will take 15, 17, or 33 round magazines, and the slightly smaller size really does make all the difference in the world when you are trying to conceal it.
If you are a cop or other law enforcement who wears a sidearm on their hip in plain sight, then the glock 17 makes sense. For everyone else who would have need to conceal their weapon, the 19 is better.
>>81147067
Are these prices a joke?
>>81152200
>snowflake round in canada
7.62x39 is fine
>>81151901
What are lost firearms laws?
Like if they ban the gun, I assume they know you have a banned gun, what happens? Do they send collection agents door to door?
So could you do what Americans do and "lost all my firearms in a tragic boating accident officer" or do you have reporting of lost arms laws?
Can always say it just happened.
>>81147067
How the fuck do you get a semi auto in a European country? I thought those were banned like 50 years ago?
>>81152329
Look, i'm not in shooting club yet, but then when I will be, i'll tell you if there is a lot of muslims.
But I really don't thinks they do shooting.
>>81152200
7mm RemMag for the win. I put a round through-and-through an old Honda engine with one.
>>81152557
Warrant to search all property and assets, all vehicles, all storage units, run over the back yard with a metal detector, etc.
>>81151901
gl my man you'll get hooked on your AR-15 they are really nice rifles and, I'd argue, the best there is.
>>81151927
SKS is really shit too.
t. former SKS owner that switched over to the AR master race
>fixed magazine, stripper-fed
>heavy as fuck
>rifle-grip/poor ergos
>poor aftermarket that is dominated by CrapCo
>stumpy round that has poor trajectory and also weighs a fuckton like the rifle itself
Only thing cool about it is the spring-loaded bayonet but that hardly makes up for it.
Ready
Get some black market or not at all. Bury them
>>81151901
All about personal prefernce.
Also yes, get a shotgun for home defence. Semi auto rifle is more like an apocalypse thing.
And get an aimpoint red-dot sight, or something of similar quality.
>>81152412
To be honest, I wanted to buy to rifles and one pistol.
So I want to have 7x62 caliber and 5x56 plus a pistol.
I never thought about shotgun tho.
>>81152513
Well it's may look expensive to you but they are cheaper gun.
Having gun is a privilege.
>>81152557
I really can't tell how it"s will be.
But everyone is agaisnt it.
All we can do is wait and see.
>>81152567
Only automatic rifle are banned but you can have automatic blank gun legally.
>>81148114
>france less restrictions than california
JUST
>>81152575
I doubt any who were intending on a terror attack would go the legal route of buying a gun and shooting it at a range.
A Muslim + semi auto (legal or not) is going to arouse suspicion so they probably only use smuggled guns.
>>81147067
holy shit that's expensive, is it that expensive outside france ?
American here, why the fuck are you buying guns? This will only make the problems worst. You europeans and your fucking circlejerk for guns I see it in all of your shitty Russian movies. I am glad to be here in the USA where I at least won't get killed in a mass shooting.
>>81152200
>subsonic ammo
>>81147905
Best long range pistol?
>>81152896
>Well it's may look expensive to you but they are cheaper gun.
>Having gun is a privilege.
They cost like 3 times less in the fucking US
>>81147905
I need a reliable gun that will help me protect my household.
Any tips?
Also, how effective would bolt action rifles be? What kinda stopping power does a nugget or kar 98k have? If I shoot a nigger in the stomach with one of these guns, he's not gonna be getting up right?
>>81152575
What are your laws like for self defence?
It's no good legally owning a gun when you couldn't use it for self defence. Not everywhere is burger tier.
It's like a dumb fellow bong said in here earlier, sure, he's right that some guns are legal here, shotguns etc, but they're only for the purpose of hunting or sport/pest control.
If you shot someone with one you're going to prison.
The law is important.
>>81147067
Eurofags buying guns LOL
you lads have a culture of disarmament, leave the weapons for your masters kiddos
>>81147597
And then be killed by the big Ol bad guvment...
>>81152200
>3D NVG
>>81148114
AR15 is the only answer
5.56 is all you'll have access to easily if it happens
>>81153077
tc contender in 223
>>81152852
>Taurus
>.380
aaaahahahahahaha
>>81152896
>So I want to have 7x62 caliber and 5x56
Why those two calibers?
I can understand the pistol, if there's a way for you to carry it for self-defense. You have to check the law for that, but I somehow doubt that's allowed in France.
What exactly is the purpose for your guns?
>>81147905
Pistol with cheapest ammunition in eurocuck countries?
>>81149433
Straight pulls and variants are the answer. Eg vz58 Mars, gets round the semi auto ban. Pull trigger gun go bang and bolt locks back. Pull again and bolt releases and reloads. Rinse & repeat.
See POF Revolt for a us straight pull AR that is classes as bolt action under us law.
>>81152904
I feel sorry for you, I though america had freedom in all it states.
You can blames idiots that do mass shooting.
>>81152974
Yeah that is what I think too, they prefer illegal automatic ak47.
>>81153005
There is cheaper products, and also it's not all, you need to pay for the shooting licence and you must lock you're gun in a safe ( 500 euros).
>>81153013
Well if tommorow there is a terror attack in my street or someone attack my house i'll be ready.
Also I just like guns in general.
>>81152200
>snowflake round
>it happens
>no ammo anywhere
why would you do this?
>>81153244
>Eurofags buying guns LOL
It's really only the UK that has retarded gun laws in Europe.
Most countries are actually quite free when it comes to private weapon ownership(but of course not *as* free as certain states in the US).
>>81153393
If you buy a shotgun and if self defence laws are absolute shit in France, you can purchase non lethal rounds in the case that you need to defend yourself without putting yourself in trouble in the law. Though I am not sure if such ammo is availabe in France.
>>81147067
I hate to be that faggot, but honestly go with an AR. You're sure to find the ammo for it in France more easily than 7.62. Also an AR is simply reliable, low maintenance, and has high shot control meaning you're not putting a lot of liability on yourself when you shoot. Gun feels good to hold, not heavy, and relatively easy to move around with. I've shot both AK's and AR's and both feel fine. Just ammo scarcity may be an issue in France for an AK.
>>81152896
you should get a semi auto 5x56 NATO anything and all the ammo you can
idk why you would bother with a different caliber or two rifles. get something that you will be able to take apart and rebuild.
>>81149291
Shut the fuck up you clueless German faggot.
>>81153519
you are talking to a leaf
>>81153346
Most prevalent military calibres (NATO), means plenty of choice and well priced ammo.
>>81149323
i have a sccy pistol. made in daytona. it's double action only so the trigger pull is pretty heavy but its a great reliable gun (when you feed it good ammo) that is compact enough to carry. Also cheap <~$300
>>81153336
You sir are a gentlemen.
>single shot
Welp my grandpa was a 2 bullet hunter. Guess I need some serious practice.
>>81153150
I know it's suck but listen, we should be happy about it.
Because one day there will ban everything.
>>81153235
French laws for self defence are ridiculous.
You can only shoot someone if he is shooting you but in general peoples do it there own way and they don't wait to get shot to unleash there guns.
>>81153263
I know right
But billed ammo and aks are shit guns from the balkans you can't trust this
>>81153306
I agree
>>81153346
I just want to be able to shoot 7 62 and 5 56, the better I know, the better this is.
Carry is illegal, you only carry in a bag disarmed your guns when you go to shooting range.
>>81153337
Don't underestimate the .380.
It started WW1 after all.
>>81153215
B-b-but you can't protect yourself with guns in Canada.
>>81147067
>$1800 for a Mini-14
>>81152896
If you want a bolt action get a tikka t3
If you want a semi auto get a 16 inch AR15, M&P15 is a good starter AR15
If you want a shotgun get a Mossberg 500
If you want a handgun, get a Browning Hi Power
For 7.56, get you an AK47, DDI makes good AKs
If you want a battle rifle, get a Ruger M1A Scout, though I'm not sure how available battle rifle rounds are in France
>>81147067
Buy two of the AR-556 models. That way when the Muslims break into your house you can be sure they all have guns so your family dies quickly.
>>81153847
Well you do have a point. Subtle kek.
This is the Mosin Nagant, one of the cheapest rifles in the world but also rather rugged and reliable. This one has a Bayonet on it for impaling people who think they can rush you while reloading.
It uses 7.62x54R ammunition which is a little bit stronger than the 7.62 nato round. In other words it'll halfway blow somebody in half.
It is accurate to upwards of 600 meters but you wouldn't want to use it farther than 300 meters. But you can be proud of the shots that you make with it at the range.
As a bolt action rifle its unlikely to be banned until last.
Also another word of caution - keep your Gun and Ammunition at home or within reach. Do not leave it at some shooting range gun club.
If there was an emergency and the authorities wanted to take the weapons away without saying anything they would go to a place like that and walk off with all of it.
>>81153215
>stoppan powah!
Bolt action rifles are typically chambered in cartridges that are FAR more powerful than semi auto or full auto military weapons.
Canada has cheap SKS's, just get one of those
https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/category.jsp?catid=85527
Or you can get something cooler and scarier, and hope your mounties don't decide to ban them.
>>81153932
Meant to say Springfield M1A Scout
>>81153077
A rifle.
Tbqh france brought this upon themselves with their call for border control and trumpisms. Talk shit get hit
>>81153804
7.62x51? If you want one of those than you'd do well with an FN FAL and it'd go pretty well with an FN15.
>>81147461
OP had a boating accident and lost all of his guns and ammo
>>81153546
I'm not gonna lie i'm a honest person.
But if someone try to kill me I won't give a shit about the law and I won't hesitate shooting the invader
>>81153932
>>81154090
Also meant to say 7.62
Fucking hell
>>81153593
Sorry, I'm a liberal. ARs are literally Satan's big black cock, ejaculating destruction. I fired one and smelled sulphur and brimstone (cos I shat myself). I wept for a week after.
>>81152880
how did you go about getting one? I've been thinking about it for almost half a year. Shotgun or fifle? Buckshot seems the most reasonable for self-defense at home.
Glad I live in a civilized nation that doesn't fantasizes about guns. Also your president is still a white male lol that's really backwards. We have a black president and soon a woman president.
>>81154113
Yeah, how dare we be against mass murderers? It's our fault if they get angry.
>>81154124
P T R 9 1
The peeter gun
As in, a big black german dick
#MasterRace
and rather cheap among 308s
>>81148904
M16 cuck, if you're going to war AK47
>>81154186
>ARs are literally Satan's big black cock, ejaculating destruction.
What better than that to remove goatfucker?
>>81154148
enjoy ta nouvelle fiche S en tout cas lol
>>81154148
Well if you insist. I would do the same in your situation. I woukd rather be behind bars than be killed.
>>81153932
I was thinking about glock 17, light weight, you can put sight aiming, flashlight and also 20 round magazine.
30 round mag exist but only for kel tec sub 2000.
>>81147067
Honestly OP, by the time you got everything cleared for the weapon and paid a shitton for it, you could of just moved the 'Murica. France is a lost cause in our life time, but maybe in another generation when the Mudslimes are complacent we can drive them back out.
I'd suggest an area of the South, we're not nearly as bad as people say. We might pick at you abit for being French at first, but we pick at everyone so woteves.
>>81153215
get a cheap shotgun they are plentiful in canada
>>81154093
Have one... Need a side arm and I like hitting shit really far away.
>>81154458
J'ai pas raison?
Si un mec veut te tué tu va quand même pas te laisser faire?
> fiche s
mdr arrête tes conneries
>>81153804
So you could only legally shoot someone if they had a gun and were shooting at you?
Wew lad.
That's precisely my point, why even bother. Thousands of Euros for something that only serves as a toy for the range, and will be taken off you by mama Merkel soon anyway.
Good luck anyway, hope FN get into power, you get your Frexit and have a good purge.
>>81154356
PTR91 are alright but FAL is best .308 (excluding the M1A ofc which is best .308 but that is my own bias)
but that's okay because I have no need for a .308 when I have an AR-15 that trumps all.
>>81153804
For your 7.62x51, get a PTR91 or a DSA Voyager (FAL clone).
>>81147067
I'd go with the Ruger AR-556 it's your entry level AR and it's fine. get a good optic and plenty of mags and ammo.
buy a decent chest rig and you will be ready for the race war
>>81154621
je pense que tu as raison, et je me faisais la même réflexion ce matin...
>>81151561
I think easiest way to start is join a shooting club.
>>81149104
For some reason I really dig the A1 grip. I might have to get me one for my 20" retro build.
>>81154198
Shotgun plus 3 Laser Dot Sight.
That way you KNOW where its pointed, hardly even have to aim.
>>81154627
Yes the law is stupid, but nothing stop you from pulling the trigger, you decide how your life will be my man.
We live in a retarded society, everyone is starting to get mad since Nice.
>>81154477
Glocks are good handguns, are you allowed to carry in France? If so, I'd recommend a Glock 19, since it's just a bit smaller than the 17, and can be comfortably carried, while not being a tiny-ass gun
>>81154385
>he fell for the AK is reliable meme
>>81154583
.357 or .44 magnum revolver with 6" or 8" barrel.
OP I mean what are current laws in lost firearms, do you have to report in x days of something?
>>81152723
>not sure if serious but France
>>81154652
I love how this AR look.
>>81154708
What about theses:
MP10, RUGER AR10 7x62, SIG 716?
>>81154818
Think of it this way: better be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
>>81154724
What optic?
>>81154825
This. I recommend the 19 as well. Very comfortable to hold and has plenty of capacity while not being fuckhuge like a glock 17 or a beretta 92.
>>81154825
Carry is illegal sadly.
Even the fact that we store our guns in a safe seem to be not enough to make liberals anti guns feel safer.
They want total ban.
>>81154652
Can you tell me what the difference is between that rifle and the one given to your squaddies please burger?
Often hear you guys mock people who refer to that rifle as an 'assault rifle' and I really don't get it. Seems to be precisely what it is and that's what they call it in the military.
Is it just a full auto thing? Aren't there states in the U.S. where you can have full auto anyway?
http://www.luckygunner.com/12-ga-00-buck-fiocchi-reduced-recoil-le-10-rounds
anyone tried this reduced recoil stuff? curious if I can spray out of my VEPR
>>81154897
Actually I would agree with this setup too.
44 magnum Revolver
That will stop somebody with 1 shot.
but make sure that its fitted to use Speed Loader Strips, these are like the speed strips that the old british Webley pistols used if you're more familiar with that.
It keeps the bullets together in a clump so that they can be quickly reloaded.
It doesnt load as fast as a magazine but its six times faster than placing each bullet in the revolver.
>>81154805
ebin
>>81154959
AR-10 variants aren't bad, they're just not as modular as AR-15's are, which is one of the main draws of an AR. If it's way more affordable, go for it.
>>81154805
I kinda doubt that's legal here. We're pretty liberal (for Euro standards) in Austria when it comes to shotguns and rifles, but once lasers, mufflers, other add-ons get mentioned = ohnoes!!!
>>81153005
Ruger AR-556 cost roughly 300 euros less in here.
>>81147067
Can you even buy that shit? I thought gun laws in your country are pretty heinous.
>>81155168
The military versian can fire burst/full auto. The civilian version is only semi auto. That is literally the only difference.
If it can only fire semi auto then it is not an assault rifle. It does look exactly like one though.
>>81152904
There are fewer restrictions on the kind of weapons allowed but there are pretty harsh rules on training. You can't keep a gun if you can't prove you go to the range a minimum number of times per year to remain proficient.
>>81154959
Ehhh, just get a FAL. Right arm of the free world
Can you get SCAR 17's? Get that, bet they're like 10k there
