When will religion be declared a mental illness and banned ?
>>81118649
When we revive this guy
>>81118649
Never, glorifying and normalizing mental illnesses is a virtue nowadays.
>>81118649
Fuck off and die marxist
>>81118934
>being anti-delusional fairy tales is marxist
kys
>>81118649
Never. Religion will absolutely, positively outlive every single user on this board. All of us. It might even get stronger after we're dead too.
Besides, religion doesn't really do anything at all to stop human degeneracy. It's there for tradition, and for a vague semblance of "values" that everyone can circlejerk to. In reality, people do whatever they want, and they get away with it. That's life.
>>81118649
They'll never do it, they should, but they won't. It's disgusting that society even tolerates these people. I don't think it will come on the heels of a ban, but you can still look to the UK, where Christians have become a minority and atheism grows faster and faster. It may die out, over time, in the civilized world,(not Africa, not western Asia), but that's the most you can hope for.
>>81118649
SUMMON KEK
DO IT NOW
THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN'S ARE THE ONLY TRUE GODS.
SUMMON KEK
DO IT NOW.
>>81118649
>Islamic terrorist attack
>ban all religions
Probably should deal with the religion of peace that keeps doing this instead.
This is what is so remarkable, atheists have slammed and undermined christianity for decades, which was the main bulwark against theocratic islamic shariah law. Thus giving islam left cover to spread.
Now that Islam shows what it's about, the atheists calls for banning all religion
How are atheist different from leftists again in this lack of understanding? Seems atheists are just as much with their head firmly buried in the sand about it.
>>81119068
It is you inbred Ruskie
>>81119328
not an argument
also
>brit
>calling me inbred
doesnotcompute.jpg
>>81118649
>statism isn't a religion
>>81118649
>Moslems conducted major massacres and killings
>lets blame it to the Christians
fucking autistic fedora nigger you are no different from Leftists
>>81119523
Check my picture if you can read Russian >>81119328
>>81119068
>universe is big
>therefore, god doesn't exist
i'll never understand why atheists think this is a good argument.
>>81119684
What's your point?
Every marxist is an atheist, therefore every atheist is a marxist? Are you literally retarded mate?
>>81118649
>98% of the population on this planet senses the presence of a high intelligence
>2% think the other 98% are mentally ill
How does it feel to be a functioning bi-polar sufferer, OP?
>>81119328
>inbred
>British flag
>>81119253
>which was the main bulwark against theocratic islamic shariah law.
Oh, wow, and here I thought it was our rights guaranteed by modern western democracy.
>Now that Islam shows what it's about, the atheists calls for banning all religion
Atheists have always criticized Islam, it's just that Christianity has been more relevant to most people living in the west.
>>81119881
Wanting to eliminate religion from a society is marxist to the core
>>81118903 true
>>81119888
Intelligence is rare.
>Lumping yourself in with mooslems and africans.
>>81119888
>popular opinion must be true
>religion can't be explained by a well documented tendency for humans to believe bullshit
wew
>>81118649
I'd accept it just to be rid of Leftism.
>>81118649
When Communism comes back to Europe and kills even more innocents.
Go back to the Catholic Church you try hard atheist.
>>81118649
I call for it since I was 6 year old.
Soon, I was labelled "antisemitic", it was trendy at that time.
Now I am labelled "islamophobic".
Guillotine for everyone.
>>81119246
> year 3201
>The biggest religion is called "meme"
>meme priests use old 4chan archives as bible
>tfw we created religion
>tfw people in future think that kek is the true god
>>81118840
Got to bring back these two too, for the spicy drama
>>81119967
Only God could vouch for your rights being unalienable
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
>>81119967
>pretends that christianity has no influence on western society in determining our laws values and culture.
Cutting the cheese..
The primary foundation of why you don't speak arabic today was the christians uniting and going deus vult after being invaded for centuries upon centuries. Then afterwards, the christian reformation and the separation between church and state since it was no longer necessary to unify in order to stand against constant islamic aggression. Islam was what caused the christians to band together to go deus vult in the first place. Before that the gospel is very clear to spread the good news by speaking not by sword whatsoever. And instructed not to kill and all these things. The principles of forgiveness, compassion and these things that shaped modern society are directly indelibly linked to christianity.
Islam came for one purpose and one purpose only, to eradicate christanity.. Everything that is holy in christianity they deny and turn upside down and are specifically outlined to subjugate the people of the book (christians and jew) and to make them pay the jizya so they are humiliated.. allah gives them this choice, rest are converted forcefully or killed. Allah is ticked off that christians worship the true god, so he doesn't just kill them he wants them to be subjugated to his will and suffer as a dhimmi under sharia law.. being humiliated as such.
>>81120640
Lenin's Testament is the name given to a document written by Vladimir Lenin in the last weeks of 1922 and the first week of 1923. In the testament, Lenin proposed changes to the structure of the Soviet governing bodies. Sensing his impending death, he also commented on the leading members of the Soviet Union to ensure its future. He suggested Joseph Stalin be removed from his position as General Secretary of the Russian Communist Party's Central Committee.
They got it right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT2z0nrsQ8o
"you let your heart grow dark"
>>81118649
....and punish religious practitioners how, exactly?
>>81118649
>banned
Oh good, another thread by one of you bootlicking faggots.
>>81120881
pic related
>>81120959
>He suggested Joseph Stalin be removed from his position as General Secretary of the Russian Communist Party's Central Committee.
This is debatable, and might as well just be Trotskyite propaganda. Lenin and Stalin were very close, but they were different. Lenin's USSR would not have won WW2.
Stalin was necessary, with Stalin's theory of Socialism in one state. Statistically he was a great leader, even though he built a rotten foundation for the USSR, which is why it corrupted when he died.
And without WW2 and the threat of WW3, who knows how the USSR would have looked. They had to centralize/de-democratize because of this threat.
>>81118649
>Its the Muslim Extremists commit another attrocious act of terrorism episode
>"Fucking ban christians, how can anyone be so dumb to believe in the fake fairy tale man in the sky?"
Why can't atheists just shut the fuck up?
>>81120970
We punish those who willingly poison their bodies with drugs with jail or rehab. Those who willingly poison their minds with religion should get the same treatment, except worse, since they also poison the minds of others.
>>81121816
>When will RELIGION be declared a mental illness and banned
>>81121816
>Islam isn't a religion
>>81121882
Does this sound reasonable comrade?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pite%C8%99ti_prison#Stages_of_.22reeducation.22
it will be more likely that you godless heathens will be the ones declared mentally ill and banned.
normal people trust you less than rapists.
pic related.
>>81122276
They're statistically equal to the rapists, when compared to the Muslim and the Christian
Look at the confidence interval bars
>>81122098
Nah, I'm not a communist.
>>81119877
I'm not even need atheist but that's a huuuuge strawman my dude. :D
what has religion to do with this? i'm a christian, i help old christian people in my neighborhood who don't have kids or kids who moved far away, i want the same treatment when i'm old, because then religion or church makes actually sense
>>81122467
How would you punish them then?
Bear in mind that they have no absolute inherent rights, as there is no God to vouch for them >>81120774
>>81119068
The Bible doesn't even say masturbation is wrong...
>>81118649
Never
muslims will be the same as christians
1000or so years ago christians tortured ur ass if u said jesus wasnt a player
just give the shitskins 1000 years and itll be chill
>>81119877
I never heard any atheist say that.
Don't they just reject the belive that there is a higher entity due to lack of evidence ?
>>81118649
Religion is different for everyone, for some its law, (judaism, islam) for some aesthetics and rituals (orthodox, catholic), for some belief (protestants, salafists), for some philosophy (buddhism, hinduism). It's those misunderstandings that produce conflicts. You can't purge religion from the human mind, because it's omnipresent and takes on different shapes but also wants to stay consistent.
>>81122822
You don't know anything about Christianity or Islam
>>81122822
>has never read islamic law
Your corroded pumpkin won't turn into prince charming anytime soon.
There are few things as hard to reform as Islam.
>>81119888
>98% of the population on this planet senses the presence of a high intelligence
Yes, the intelligence of the other 2% obviously. Remember technology is magic to most people.
Something like god may exist, but if you buy any of the big religions as a package #(You)arethe98percent
Now go ahead and give me some for my fedora folder.
>>81122535
>>81123011
what other implication are you supposed to draw from that image in the post i was replying to?
i thought it was portraying the 'argument from scale.'
>>81123011
Don't play dumb
"The universe is big 'n shit" and "Look at us we so tiny :^'(" is classic atheist bullshit
How come Atheists claim to have just a "lack of belief in god"
when they all have mostly the exact same political views, mostly based on moral subjectivism
not to mention that at least 90% of atheists say that muslims are no worse than christians
>>81123233
The implication is 'god concerns himself with pointless shit like an autistic retard'
>>81123479
Of course goy. Everything you don't want to hear is pointless!
>>81122691
Jail or rehab. Can you read?
>Bear in mind that they have no absolute inherent rights, as there is no God to vouch for them
Non-sequitur
>>81118649
Never because it's positively correlated with mental health. Atheists, on the other hand, have higher rates of depression and suicide.
>>81123233
That religion is ridiculous, even if there is a higher intelligence or a Godly force behind everything.
Believing in a religion is not the same as believing in a God of some sort.
>>81123479
I thought "pointless" was subjective. Who are you do decide upon it?
>>81123609
>>81123479
Who are you to* decide upon it?
>>81123479
so it's:
>if the universe is really big, God wouldn't care about what we do
>christians believe that God cares about what we do
>therefore, the christian conception of God cannot be true
right?
>>81123543
Why don't you go all the way and fucking kill them?
Religion is pointless and there is no absolute inherent right to live
TAKE YOUR SHIT TO THE OBVIOUS CONCLUSION YOU CHILD
ATHEISM IS STATE RULE
>>81118840
>>81118840
>>81118840
he was a crypto jew turning tricks on the goyim
you stupid clueless slavshit goyim
didnt you know the revolution in russia was nothing more than kikes hijacking russia?
god damn slavs are fucking stupid
>>81123713
No, the point of the image is really just to make fun of your beliefs, it doesn't try to disprove anything.
>>81123593
>That religion is ridiculous
Who gives a shit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
>>81122822
>everything is equivalent and we're all just on the same path
Goly gee you're a fucking idiot.
>>81123846
>Why don't you go all the way and fucking kill them?
Why?
>Religion is pointless and there is no absolute inherent right to live
Why?
>TAKE YOUR SHIT TO THE OBVIOUS CONCLUSION YOU CHILD
>SAY WHAT I THINK YOU THINK
>ATHEISM IS STATE RULE
Yeah, no.
>>81118649
It's not religion, it's ideology, and people will always get suckered by them.
Religion is an evolutionary adaptation. If you're an atheist, you're a deviant person.
>>81124183
So you're saying people inclined to be atheists are more evolved than religious people?
>>81124035
>Why?
BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP YOU
>>81124025
It's not the arguments Pro-Religion that is ridiculed, it's religion itself. So your wiki-article is not relevant.
>>81124024
well, it backfires, as i've demonstrated.
the argument from scale itself is silly, especially considering we're the only (known) intelligent life forms in the entire universe.
>>81124286
It means they're deviant like fags and trannies.
>>81124183
There has been a selective pressure against religion because of the stupidity and wars it causes. Atheism could be an adaption to that.
>>81124024
hans "fedora tipper" müller on full damage control
top lel
>>81124299
You can mock whatever fucking beliefs you want
That in itself does NOTHING to make them false
>>81124297
Perfect example of someone with a mind poisoned by religious garbage.
>>81124437
Or, it means they're deviant because they're better than the 'norm'.
>>81124581
Where do you get these unalienable rights without God mate >>81120774
Fucking tell me
>>81122819
Good argument anon. The point isn't about that. It's just that the idea that earth is super special would be an incredibly laughable thing if we didn't struggle with these people daily just to have them not kill us all.
>but the bible says
It doesn't matter what the Bible says. I'm not gonna sit here and do #NotAllReligiousPeople. Becuase the concept is flawed. You didn't need it and never have needed it.
Really how ridiculous is 'do not eat seafood'. Even any of the 10 commandments would be ridiculous. They're not properly motivated at all. They're arbitrary rules someone made up way back before you could prove it's made up.
And why would this iteration of relgion be correct?
It's a very tired topic and all it comes down to is that religion is an irrational position to hold, which would be fine if you didn't fuck with everyone because of it and were a little bit more open minded about things.
Especially organized religion. Personal religion has far less flaws. But Catholics support the catholic church and they don't have a particularly nice record.
Regardless of what you think about their policies they're not well motivated and if you applied the same kind fo motivation to any other topic you'd be ashamed to say it.
"Don't smoke because god said so!"
>>81124506
There is no selection pressure against religion. As a matter of fact, there will be more religious people than ever. Atheism is a deviance that increases under certain ecological pressures like urbanism. It had its hayday, but it's in full retreat like all societal ills.
>>81124581
Saying atheism is better than the norm is like saying homosexuality is superior to heterosexuality, or having cancer to being healthy.
>>81124506
Presumably high birthrate is a religious parisite's way of coping with those things, but the overpopulaton that results could undermine that.
>>81124802
>The point isn't about that. It's just that the idea that earth is super special would be an incredibly laughable
but it literally is:
>special: better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.
it contains the only (known) intelligent lifeforms in the universe.
also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
>>81124777
From the minds of men. We have decided, as a collective, that having certain rights benefit man as a whole, and lead to greater freedom and quality of life. Easily done without a god being around.
>b-but it says 'by their creator'
The "creator" can be my mother and father, or the world itself. And no, I don't mean the world is a god. I mean the processes in it, like evolution.
>>81124830
>It had its hayday, but it's in full retreat like all societal ills.
Haha, no. There are more and more atheists in America and other countries like Britain. Religion had it's hayday when people were more ignorant.
>>81124990
>Saying atheism is better than the norm is like saying homosexuality is superior to heterosexuality, or having cancer to being healthy.
You're right. Being religious is like being homosexual or having cancer. It's an aberration. It's not normal. Atheism is the default. That's why I said religion is the 'norm', with quotations.
>>81125462
How do you come up with unalienable rights without God?
Un-alienable. Un-removable. Absolute. Un-infringeable. Inherent to all and every single one of your citizens?
>>81125462
>The "creator" can be my mother and father,
it's capitalized as a proper noun in the text.
good effort though.
>>81124802
retarded swede. the religion has been around for a very long time for good reason. You think you're the first person to christian concepts? you're not as smart as you htink you are.
>>81124802
>It's just that the idea that earth is super special would be an incredibly laughable thing if we didn't struggle with these people daily just to have them not kill us all.
Kingdom of heaven established on earth.. would make the earth not so special and the kingdom of heaven very important in comparison.
It's already there in scripture, the earth is NOT that important, even scorned as being fallen.. but when it is INDUCTED into the kingdom of heaven as a node.. THEN it changes, ending the rule of man and the beginning of the rule of god via jesus christ appointed king of this node advocate towards the high ones on our behalf (true godking, born not simply from man and woman but from a virgin woman AND from god (artificial insemination)). The lord of hosts is his father. But he's son of man but also son of god. Since from a virgin womb he came, so his father is not man, so he was human, but not entirely human which gave him different abilities than the normal man. Im anu el (the god of the sky with us).
>>81119877
Because that's not in propotion.
Your God that made humans look like Him and is here for us, that put his son on earth, all the stories that involve humans and Him, angels, demons, heaven, hell, etc.
That worked in a time where people didn't know shit about the world around them, when they thought the universe was made for them, a world that is limited to what is between the ground and the sky where humans were divine creatures, not animals, You could add and imagine anything, it worked.
Today it's absolute nonsense, where do you put your god or any of the human god in our universe ? why are they so human-like (or beast-like -beasts from earth-) and why are they so close to us ? why would we need a universe so big just for us ? why would He have created it like that ?
We are nothing in the vastness of space and time, and if one of our religions is the real one that means that if there are aliens they're all humans too ?
>>81125888
(cont) firmament being that which divides the waters of earth from the waters above (the cosmos) the atmosphere.. a place for breathing.
There's a lot of things that even the traditionalistic christians don't recognize about their faith, and it's not a bad thing.. it's something that gives more and more credence to them the more you analyze it, and it's also very direct when you pay attention to it.
Christianity is the religion of the slave.
Islam that of the conqueror.
And judaism that of the enslaver.
Come home white man, say no to semetic religions, embrace the religion for your blood and your soil, the only true religion.
>>81119967
>mmmuh athiests always criticize Islam
Bull fucking shit.
You people always attack Christians because you know they won't cut your head off for insulting Jesus.
You cowards NEVER go into Islamic strongholds and criticize Islam.
And we all know why. In addition to being cowards, the main reason you hate Christians is because you're angry at mommy and daddy for forcing you to go to Sunday school when you were a kid
>>81125739
>How do you come up with unalienable rights without God?
By thinking with the head muscle.
>Un-alienable. Un-removable. Absolute. Un-infringeable. Inherent to all and every single one of your citizens?
By writing it down and making punishments for breaking them and structuring the system to take them into account.
>>81125766
Irrelevant. Bad effort though. It could have just said "god" or "christ" in it too, but it doesn't. This is by design, to include other faiths and no faith.
Like the above idiot, this is something only in the declaration of independence. The constitution and bill of rights never use the word 'creator' or 'god', again on purpose.
>>81118903
That seems to explain why atheism is growing today
>>81119068
>kys
>can't refute argument
Sounds about right, seeing as atheism is part of marxism
>>81119246
>Kek
>Egyptian Gods
WE WUZ KANGZ
>>81119523
>not an argument
Yes it is
>>81120448
>tfw that will never happen
>>81121164
>Denmark flag
Go back to playing with legos, Dencuck
When Crusaders came back from the Holy Lands they brought back enlightening texts regarding science and math, ushering in the Renaissance.
>>81121995
>Islam isn't a religion
>American education
>>81123198
>Intelligence of the other 2%
Just because Christian beliefs contradict your own does not mean that the 2% who do not sense the presence of a high intelligence are smarter.
>Technology is magic to most people
Last time I checked, we weren't living in the Middle Ages
>>81126380
Or perhaps, judaism and islam tries to pick at the truth in order to justify their own reasoning.
>christianity is the religion of the slave
No it is servitude not to man or a human ruler but to god and his angels. That instructed man to love eachother and love your neighbourgh as yourself and upon that hung all the law and all the prophets.. but bad things happen that would pervert that law that need to be dealt with before the kingdom of heaven can be established.
Don't kid yourself, the lord majesty will send 10.000 angels with yeshua leading them from the clouds.. That will settle the debates and reprove. It's not going to be simply a matter of oppinion throughout the ages.
>>81126584
Fuck. Wrong picture.
>>81126061
The vastness of Space may well just be an empty and intimidating decor to test our faith
You're gonna need more than that to be able to disprove God my mate
>>81125462
>Haha, no. There are more and more atheists in America and other countries like Britain. Religion had it's hayday when people were more ignorant.
Haha, but no. All demographic predictions predict a shrinkage of global atheist populations and an increase if religious population.
Sociologists of religions say that the decline of religion in modern Western countries had nothing to do with education but with other societal factors.
>You're right. Being religious is like being homosexual or having cancer. It's an aberration. It's not normal.
I clearly didn't say that. You must be blind or mentally ill to ascribe this claim to me. Empirical data shows (don't argue with me; argue with empirical research) that religious people:
1. Live longer.
2. Have less depression and suicide rates.
3. Have more sex.
4. Read more books etc.
Irreligion is deviance and its deleterious effect on society can be observed by anyone.
>>81119888
I'm not sensing any intelligence t b h
>>81126605
You can't "write down" unalienable rights Ameridumb
If they can be created by being written down, then they can also be destroyed by being written down
>>81126584
>You people always attack Christians
Not always, and it's because there are more Christians here. It's what we're most familiar with and what is shoved in our faces daily most. Now that Islam is shoving itself in our faces over the news and internet, atheists attack it too.
>You cowards NEVER go into Islamic strongholds and criticize Islam.
Because we don't live in Islamic strongholds, retard.
>Christians is because you're angry at mommy and daddy for forcing you to go to Sunday school when you were a kid
Yeah, childhood indoctrination is child abuse, afterall. I wasn't, personally, but I feel bad for others who were.
>>81126714
>No reading comprehension
>American education
>>81126584
Christianity does more damage in the US through political force, that's why american atheists fight it more.
>>81126714
>When Crusaders came back from the Holy Lands they brought back enlightening texts regarding science and math, ushering in the Renaissance.
so they butchered everyone but brought back science.. you're not very familiar with jahilyah and islamic empires burning down entire libraries becuse they disagreed with allah and muhammad.
also have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtjXpLyvxA
Muslims destroyed 90% of the ethnic knowledge.. and their knowedge was from taking over other empires
>they preserved 10% for perpituity whilst destroying 90% of the knowledge.. muslims are the saviours of mankind
>>81127055
if muslims hadn't come along we would've had close to 90% of it.. cutting the cheese..
>>81125462
>Haha, no. There are more and more atheists in America and other countries like Britain
And like Sweden. Take a look at America and Britain. They have become libertarian shitholes thanks to your fedoraisms.
>Atheism is the default
>Being religious is like homosexual or having cancer
>mfw atheism spreads throughout the world like a cancer
>>81127036
Aww, poor gays and abortion. So much harm, bringing an end to the world through their brutality.
"You can't get married, you're gay"
>end times
>>81126775
that means that if one day we discover an alien civilisation (that is not humans) you'll stop believing ?
You make it sounds like your faith is very heavy but it would also be very fragile in that case. That seems strange to me but ok.
And why do you believe in a specific human religion ? do you think there is more to it than the country where you were born/raised?
Is everyone else wrong ?
>>81120774
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
That's where the problem comes from.
>>81126955
>>81126605
If they can be created by being written down, then they can also be destroyed by being written *off
>>81127055
the knowledge of the islamic world was from conquering nations.. they even needed to have the local dhimmis translate it for them cause when into jihad.. intelligence level is not great.
Precisely why they also waned when they could not continue their conquests.. no more knowledge and this and that from societies they conquered pouring into the empire, they had to now develope stuff for themselves by their own means.. not happening very frequently.
>>81121882
By what right do we punish people for poisoning their bodies?
Why is this considered 'moral' to punish someone for a voluntary action that hurts no-one but themselves?
Why also do we make exceptions for tobacco and alcohol, despite the fact that they are just as deadly, damaging and cancerous as any other poison?
The fact that we punish people for those actions is hypocritical, when we tolerate smoking, drinking, listening to loud music etcetera
Do you want to be rid of religion, or do you actually want sharia law? Because it sounds more like the latter to me.
>>81118649
Never, because useful idiots are too many already.
Abrahamic religion is used as a population control scheme, in which you either subvert, turn the other cheek, or rule the others. It's an awful system based on nothing but jewish sandnigger fan-fiction taken too seriously by the biggest crowd of autists to ever exist.
Fucking jews, kill them all.
>>81126775
>Everything that proves me wrong was put there to test how hard I can close my eyes plug my ears, therefore I'm right.
>>81126061
>Belgium
He didn't make humans look like him, he made us in his spiritual image (our soul).
>When people didn't know shit about the world around them
>implying that we know any more now
The more we learn, the more we find out that there is more to learn
>if there are aliens
>if
*tip*
>>81127036
>Through political force
>mfw church and state are separated
>militant atheists
>>81126795
>Haha, but no. All demographic predictions predict a shrinkage of global atheist populations and an increase if religious population.
Well, religions are really good at indoctrination and popping out babies for jesus/mohammed/whoever. Congrats? Islam is doing better at that, so I guess their religion is superior to yours.
>I clearly didn't say that.
I said that, because it's true. You implied that, because you listed atheism and compared it to aberrations and said that didn't match, and you were right.
>Empirical data shows
Show this "empirical data", then. Until then, it's bullshit.
>Irreligion is deviance
Shows you clearly don't understand what deviance means.
>and its deleterious effect on society can be observed by anyone.
when talking about religions and the religious, I agree.
>>81126955
Uh, yeah, you can. You write them down to make them visible to others so others understand. When you write them down, it imprints them. There is a reason a written document is more permanent and more easily referenced to in the future than something kept in your head.
>If they can be created by being written down, then they can also be destroyed by being written down
So if it's kept only in your mind, then it can be destroyed over time or by that mind being killed. That's not better.
>>81127260
>mfw atheism spreads throughout the world like a cancer
>mfw religitards unironically ascribe to others what perfectly describes themselves
>>81127055
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe
>>81127323
>that means that if one day we discover an alien civilisation (that is not humans) you'll stop believing ?
Why should I? The Bible only described the relationship humans need to have with God, not hypothetical alien lifeforms
>And why do you believe in a specific human religion ? do you think there is more to it than the country where you were born/raised?
I believe so. You were born in a secularised contemporary non-country
Do you believe your inoculated post-Christian Enlightenment ideas to be more than just your culture?
>Is everyone else wrong ?
Perhaps. I'm an Agnostic Christian, I certainly believe I may always be wrong
>>81126744
>Or perhaps, judaism and islam tries to pick at the truth in order to justify their own reasoning.
Not any less then Christianity. Christianity is a foreign sickness imported and spread during the Roman era to an already degenerate and servile europe (mainly slaves of the romans), it preyed upon the instincts of the lower classes who were uprooted from their original tribes and way of life. Promises of eternal glory if you don't jerk off or eat pork are nothing but insanity and usre way to create even nastier and debauched people.
Pagans offer not only tolerance (nobody really cares what particular gods you follow) as there is no obligation to believe either, but gods act as powerful symbols of the nature of the cosmos and the humanity.
Semetic religions run against the grain, all of the most fond memories of europe are those where the pagan instinct manage scream louder then the Christian education.
>>81127569
Not necessarily. But it always could have been so
Abrahamic religions = Jews and sand niggers that don't belong to Europe and the Americas
spirituality is good
religion is bad
mysticism is good
dogmas are bad
You can't ban illnesses
>>81127569
When you bond with a woman and make a baby, did you engineer that baby, no you didn't. Yet it is there for you to protect and nurture. You didn't create it you don't understand its design nor did you "code" its blueprint, but it is there.. Yet do you consider yourself the maker for creating this by your action, ofcourse not. Yet it can grow up to be potentially magnifiscent and not by your design.
The lord of hosts and the army of heaven protects and nurtures life.. but knows that the essence of that life comes from the holy spirit.. It might make the bodies as instruments and have dominion over them, but the breath of life is by the holy spirit.
Declaration of the trinity by jesus "me (the son/emmisarry) and the father (lord of hosts) are one (through the holy spirit).
>>81128382
>spirituality is good
>mysticism is good
why exactly?
>>81127943
>mfw religitards unironically ascribe to others what perfectly describes themselves
The majority of people in the world are religious, while the minority of the world is atheist. Atheism slowly grows in the world, like a malignant tumor. It is malignant because it hasn't done anything good for the world, as shown by Stalin, the Columbine Massacre, and many more (as well as libertarian atheist "art" and their acceptance of refugees). As a result, if anything, atheism is the cancer.
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>>81127943
>Uh, yeah, you can. You write them down to make them visible to others so others understand. When you write them down, it imprints them. There is a reason a written document is more permanent and more easily referenced to in the future than something kept in your head.
You can write them down as a reference. But you cannot CREATE them by merely the act of writing them down
Otherwise, they can just as easily be destroyed by being written off
>So if it's kept only in your mind, then it can be destroyed over time or by that mind being killed. That's not better.
Rights cannot be destroyed if they are outside human mind and opinion
Reminder that gods are metabiological entities that infect people's brains.
>>81127943
>Well, religions are really good at indoctrination and popping out babies for jesus/mohammed/whoever. Congrats? Islam is doing better at that, so I guess their religion is superior to yours.
Wrong, most religious will experience an increase. I don't favor any particular religion.
>I said that, because it's true
With no argumentation.
>You implied that, because you listed atheism and compared it to aberrations and said that didn't match, and you were right.
I said:
Saying atheism is better than the norm is like saying homosexuality is superior to heterosexuality, or having cancer to being healthy. I clearly equivocated atheism with other deviations like homosexuality and cancer.
>Shows you clearly don't understand what deviance means.
Neither do you, or you wouldn't say atheism is something healthy and desirable.
>when talking about religions and the religious, I agree.
Playing an idiot doesn't help your case. It makes you look pathetic and powerless.
>>81128524
Less emphasis on ideology
>>81127297
I don't live in the middle east. Islam is not a continuous. I don't think being denied marriage of someone you love or prevented from not having a child you can't take care of or being ridiculed your whole life for not believing in christianity is very fun.
>>81128524
mysticism and spirituality are basically what make humans human. it's the curiosity and awe towards the abyss of knowledge. it's realizing how little and powerless we are in front of what we call divine, which is the universe, its laws and its mysteries. it's a humble and honorful approach to life, the realization that humans are not just pure reason, but also instinct, feelings and stuff that drives our daily movements.
>>81128567
>ten thousand years of mystical traditions all over the world
>new age
abortugal yourself alberto
>>81128677
You create them by thinking about them.
>Otherwise, they can just as easily be destroyed by being written of
And? Nothing is permanent. That's why we write laws down, to try to giver them some permanence that can be referenced to. We create them by thought,t hen write them down for others.
>Rights cannot be destroyed if they are outside human mind and opinion
Rights become part of the human mind the moment anyone thinks about them.
>>81128557
The majority of people in the world are religious, while the minority of the world is atheist. The cancer has spread, taking hold of most of the world. Religion slowly grows in the world, like a malignant tumor, spreading to other regions. It is malignant becuase it hasn't done anything good for the world, as shown by child indoctrination, sexual abuses, mass murders, genocides, the crusades, the Nice attacks, and many more (as well as in conservative christian 'moral majority' and their use of the countries legislation to force their backwards beliefs on others). As a result, if anything, religion is the cancer.
>>81129416
not a continuous threat.
>>81129158
that doesnt make it less stupid, its like saying smaller crime is somehow good because big crimes exist
>>81129482
You don't know what your talking about Mario. You literally sound like every single hippy, ever since hippies drank the new age kool aid.
Define spirituality, mysticism without referring to RELIGIOUS texts. I double fucking dare ya faggot.
>>81129482
>it's the curiosity and awe towards the abyss of knowledge.
wanting to know things is not spirituality
>what we call divine, which is the universe
no, we call that the universe, to call it divine implies its actually divine
>>81129681
>And?
And it means your Declaration of Independence if null and void
Your justifications for seceding are fundamentally ill founded
You have no unalienable right and as such your rightful place is under our Monarch and the Empire
>>81130107
It's unalienable if we say it is, britainistani.
>>81130107
>is* null and void
>>81130248
>I create reality with my thoughts
no
>>81127577
> The more we learn, the more we find out that there is more to learn
That doesn't change anything, we don't know everything but we know that religions described a lot of things that just don't have sense in the universe as we know it now (but would have worked at the time)
I never really understand why old religions survived when science made discoveries that proved they were wrong on fundamental points (like the place of the sun, of earth in the universe, the age of earth, the non-divine but animal nature of humans, the real causes of some diseases or symptoms that were previously thought to be curses or possessions, etc) If one day we discover an alien civilication i'm sure they'll find someting to make it work too.
I'm not an atheist, I'd even say I like religions because I think they may be models/stories made by humans for humans to put within our reach something that is very real but would be too strange and impossible to understand for us otherwise. I just can't believe in something so human-centric in the kind of universe we have.
>>81128522
I don't think you understand motherly hormones. No, babies are not assembled like cars, nor are they magically created. Stop believing in stork theory.
>>81130248
Solipsism, the hallmark of the irrational pleb.
>>81130635
Portugal, unable to understand anything not spelled out for them.
>>81130766
>>81129955
i never referred to a religious text, i don't get what you're saying. spirituality and mysticism are hardwired in humans, it's the ability to abstract thinking, making analogies and basically being the most autistic animal on earth. the divine sense is literally that.
you can then justify it with a skydaddy sending you divine megawaves that make you perceive him, with hallucinations, mental breakdowns, dreams or taking too much shrooms but that doesn't even matter.
actually, when you start drawing conclusions on the source of your mental activity, that's when you get religious. atheist can become religious too when they believe their bullshit hard enough. you basically put yourself in a tunnel when you only believe in god / allah / the jews did that / class warfare / dawkins.
>>81130083
what is spirituality according to you then? shooting god's fireballs out of your ass? see above for my definition.
>>81131406
spirituality is bullshit people like you think up when they dont know how it works
>it's the ability to abstract thinking, making analogies and basically being the most autistic animal on earth
thats called consciousnes, and no, we dont understand it fully, but that doesnt mean you can call it whatever you want and you definitely know that calling it spirituality doesnt just mean 'we can imagine things'
>actually, when you start drawing conclusions on the source of your mental activity
you realise that its contained to the proceses of your brain, please explain how does any of that make you think one of those ways?
>>81130435
Reality is a result of your own mental perception of the physical and psychological realms. People have very different realities while living in exact same living conditions, stop being so closed minded.
>>81131406
Ability for abstract thinking is not spirituality mate, you just defined it, it's called abstract thinking.
The only reason man knows of spirituality and mysticism is because of religious texts and figures and communities.
Look anon, a religion is formed every time you have 2 people or more with common beliefs. You can't fucking escape it. Religion is just a name to define the spiritual/mystical collective/social experience of a group of humans.
No the divine sense is not that, you are basically making up your own shit and projecting it on the world. You confuse curiosity with spirituality, and wanderlust with mysticism. That is typical new age bollocks that sounds profound without saying anything of substance.
>>81132548
How do you know these physical and psychological realms actually exist in the first place then?
>>81132217
>>81133143
you both are basically getting triggered by me using not fedora-approved words to express concepts that you even agree with.
i'll also keep using the word "magic" to define communication, which is literally manipulating symbols and shaping people's perception of reality.
curiosity, consciousness, spirituality, wanderlust, mysticism have all basically the same root and just different shades of meaning which are intrinsic to the word itself and the context that you want to give them. they all aren't "real" but they are all real enough to influence our and other's people's life so profoundly that basically human society is based on mostly memes.
and no, mysticism doesn't derive from religion. the very opposite actually.
>>81133451
Inductive reasoning based on perception I guess.
Better than religious belief which has to come from culture and text via the same perception.
>>81118649
When it stops bringing money and power to the leaders.
Sure, but then why not ban atheism along with it? Unless you can argue your side very well then both religion and atheism are delusions.
>>81134917
No they are not the same and yes your hippy shit is annoying. I have devoted a great deal of energy studying the matter am not taking new age fag obscurantism at face value.
Literally every normie i met that thinks himself profound and spiritual says that shit. And the explanations are always vague as fuck typical of someone that would rather appear to be them truly be.
I didn't say mysticism stemmed from religion i challenged you to explain in words mysticism without referring to religion.
Religion is to mysticism what a grammar book is to language. You need both or else it just becomes noise and chaos. All our mystical and spiritual notions derive from religious texts and figures, even the ones that rebelled against the institution, they did so because within it those principles for the rebellion were encoded.
>>81135004
>Translated, because i say so.
>atheists try to claim moral high ground
>lets ban and jail people for their opinion
isnt that a bit self defeating?
>>81135675
a mystical experience is basically your brain hay wiring the fuck out which THEN becomes religion when you try to make some sense out of it, add thoughts, reasoning and theories. or political reasons.
the practices of mysticism (meditation, fasting, etc.) have a very simple natural origin: your brain goes bananas in extreme physical and mental stress.
what you see can be influenced by your societal and cultural context, but it's ultimately an experience that just happens when your brain doesn't work the usual way.
or maybe you can really believe you were being visited by Gabriel and create a new religion out of this.
truth is: it doesn't really matter in a pragmatic sense what happened to your brain or why did it happen. spirituality to me is being open to these sudden changes or inexplicable feelings, because you can still learn out of them.
>>81118649
Athiesm breeds pussies.
what we need is our own death cult to beat the other death cult
>>81118649
Western society is 90% religious, despite what dipsshit atheists try to claim on the inter-webs.
The western world comprises only 10% of the worlds population, and is dropping FAST.
The rest of the worlds population is overwhelming DEVOUTLY religious.
When will religion be outlawed? lol, never.
Got to love when morons from the western society think they're the majority of the worlds population, when they're the fastest shrinking population in the world.
Can't happen soon enough.
If you still believe in a retarded, powerless God and the eeevil devil oooh he's gonna get you man!! Then you are so fucking dense.
There is no heaven, if you actually believe this you are gonna be so dissappointed.
You won't have eternal Life in heaven. You won't see All your relatives there. They're rotten, buried underground. And Most of All; no one is going to Hell to see the spooky devil omg so scawyyy ):
>>81135675
>they're not the same because my definition of magic is the one i read on my d&d manuals
w e w
>>81138124
Well pardon us for believing in reason and logic instead of stupid fairy tales.
When will religion be banned? I guess when people collectively wake the fuck up.
That is why we, as atheists, have a responsibility to be outspoken, to challenge the status quo, to point out hypocritical and stupid thinking wherever we see it. I implore you, fellow atheists, to go forth armed with reason, logic, and science, and shatter the false idols of religion that still reign over us.
>>81139146
>Well pardon us for believing in reason and logic instead of stupid fairy tales.
You atheist dipshits are the very cause of western societies plummeting birthrates.
What the fuck good is logic, when you fuckers have zero respect for life and can't reproduce worth of shit?
>>81139868
Typical religious dolt veering off topic instead of debating me on equal terms. "What good is logic" indeed. You sound like a medieval tyrant.
>>81119877
see
>>81126061
>>81126775
>test our faith
kill yourself brainwashed cuck
I bet your wife's black boyfriend will test your faith too
>>81127577
kys cuck
>>81126714
>1st crusade
>1099
>Renissance
>1300
You're retarded
>>81122819
fornication
>>81140482
I forgive you, Kazar friend
>>81140066
Logic is a tool.
Does the tool serve you or do you serve the tool?
If logic ceases to benefit our people then logic should be cast aside just like any other broken tool.
>>81118649
>atheists
>cant do anything themselves.
>must cry to the state to get ideas they dont like banned
its like pottery.
>>81140781
Essentially logic is a standard that can be used to measure assertations about the world and determine their veracity. A litmus test, per se. They serve their purpose extremely well mind you, though I am sorry that the results of serious intellectual inquiry do not confirm your preconceived ideas about what is true.
If you earnestly seek answers than logic and reason are adequate tools fit to their purpose. If you seek to enslave minds and instill blind servitude than I can see why religion is so apealing.
>>81141050
There cannot be any proof that logic works
It may be taken or rejected on faith alone
>>81118649
Humans love a good ritual. If religions suddenly disappeared people would just come up with new ones. You're incredibly naive if you think atheism makes you somehow immune to magical thinking.
>no God here thanks
>oh don't mind me, just doing a detox
Christianity (especially Catholicism) is objectively the best religion. By far.
>>81140482
That's a stupid non argument, that could just as well be made by an arrogant atheist in the 1st century.
>The world is too big. If God had made creation just for us why bother creating an entire world when he could have just made a single valley?
It's nonsense. Nothing has changed, the one constant is self-absorbed idiots that think that the fact they do not understand something is a cosmic flaw.
>>81118649
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>>81126856
Color blind people cannot see some colors. Imagine what it sounds like when a blue-color blind person believes that people who see blue are mental ill.
Just because you lack the ability to sense "God" around you (ie - the omnipresent eternal infinite intelligence) does not mean that the 98% of humanity that does sense God is "mentally ill". Does the color-blind person deny the existence of color in the face of those who insist the color is there? No. The color-blind person accepts the fact that he is disabled and moves on with his life. He does not demand that everyone else must intentionally disable themselves and deny their senses in order to accommodate the color blind. Imagine what that must be like to go through life never experiencing the joy of the color blue. We theists tolerate you disabled folks who call yourselves atheists and pity you for not having the ability a well-formed human being is born with.
Why are their even Christians on 4chan?
What would Jesus say if he saw you talking about all these terrible misogynistic, racist things.
>>81141937
Good man
>>81141674
you are missing the point entirely.
All religious writings can be disproved (aka existence of god can be also disproved) by realizing that people who wrote everything you know about creationism lived in a literal stone age, thinking that the earth is flat, sun revolves around us, the sky is a dark cloth, aaand that God created Adam and Eve.
catch the narrative?
>>81142028
>racism
Tower of Babel; Acts 17:26
>sexism
1 Corinthians 14:34
>>81118649
soon.
remember, removing all religion, and replacing it with "worship of self" is a major agenda of the NWO.
>>81142311
>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28
>>81142253
>people believe things just because of where and when they were born
Holding these relativist views is more against yourself than against us
>>81142528
Which means that anyone can become a Christian. End of story
>>81142568
We came from bacteria, but you creationists don't believe in evolution. I can't argue with someone who dismisses hard facts and endorses imaginary fairytales.
So, who is more evolved, hence has a better chance of knowing the truth, people who will be born in year of your lord 4016 or people who lived 2000bc?
>>81141050
Once again.
Logic a tool, created by man.
It doesn't exist outside of your head.
If a tool ceases to provide satisfactory results then that tool should be replaced with one that does, and it is only your blind religious dogmatism that makes you believe otherwise.
>>81143087
>So, who is more evolved, hence has a better chance of knowing the truth, people who will be born in year of your lord 4016 or people who lived 2000bc?
Why do you presume knowledge is linear?
>>81118649
When will you fulfill your edginess, and end yourself?
>>81143230
because it's additive
>>81143464
Is truthful knowledge additive?
>>81142679
So what?
You think Jesus would like you discriminating against others?
It absolutely boggles the mind how far Christniggers will go to try and reconcile their far right political beliefs and their Cuckold religion.
>>81126714
>When Crusaders came back from the Holy Lands they brought back enlightening texts regarding science and math, ushering in the Renaissance
american education, go learn about 1776 and native american culture
>>81143464
technology is additive
we basically have shortcuts to get quickly to results and progress from there.
knowledge, wisdom is cyclic. you read some stuff from 3000 years ago and they complain about the same shit we complain today.
>>81143541
Don't bother. He's still living in the 19th centuary.
>>81118840
Cult of personality is still a cult.
The "communism" in Russia had as much in common with the ideas of Marks as todays russian gov has in common with democracy.
They fuck up every good idea.
>>81143561
There are objective differences between others
It would be a sin against their Creator to not recognise them
>It absolutely boggles the mind how far Christniggers will go to try and reconcile their far right political beliefs and their Cuckold religion.
Remember how lefties barrage Christianity for being too regressive and obsolete
>>81143541
>>81143837
No such thing as truthful knowledge, it's a meme.
What >>81143785 says is that cultures are cyclical, not knowledge. Cultures rise and fall, again, nothing to do with any ultimate "truth" but with our brains which are predisposed to develop similar philosophical conclusions over these cyclic rotations.
>>81127036
"Muh Christianity"
Joe Biden is a Catholic. JFK was a Catholic. The US isn't a papal state because they came into power.
>>81135279
bump
>>81144333
>No such thing as truthful knowledge, it's a meme.
Is this true? Or is it no more than a meme?
>>81142253
That's a non sequitur.
It makes no difference to humans whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun. Humans are still humans and the systems that have evolved along side us do not take the forms they do by pure chance.
Religion works.
Atheism does not.
The same logic that "disproves" God, disproves Man as well. An atheist doesn't believe in human consciousness, an atheist doesn't believe in the the uniqueness of individual perspective.
>t-thats not true I'm an atheist and I believe in those things
Then you're a poor atheist who embraced atheism because it's a popular trend and not because of your own sense of logic.
Just look at atheists discuss the ramifications of the "ship of Theseus" thought experiment, or the Star Trek transporter problem. Watch them recoil from the idea that consciousness is a unique property, watch them rage whenever someone dare to bring up the concept of a soul, even when it has been divorced from all theological context.
Atheists believe we are just dumb matter no different or more valuable than any other formation of carbon.
>>81120119
rly makes you think
>>81118649
When will autistic be euthanized?
>>81122276
nice fallacy fallacy
>>81144517
don't be that guy
>>81144982
I don't have to be any guy. Your relativism is absurd and self-refuting
>>81142253
Your usage of multiple logical fallacies is noted and summarily dismissed. And no, the earliest genesis myths were not written in the Stone Age. You are off by several thousands of years.
Fuck you /pol/ is literally Christian extremism.
>>81118649
Without God, you're much more vulnerable to mental illness (anxiety, depression, etc.). Without God, you have no ground beneath your feet and no meaning or ultimate value.
You distract yourself from the emptiness of your existence with hedonism, science, worship of society and social authority. Only a thin veneer of delusion preserves you from drowning in despair and depression.
I wouldn't object to a ban on Islam and Judaism. They are a great source of mental illness.
Christianity is healing and makes you whole.
You will only find completeness in Christ.
>>81145157
>multiple logical fallacies
"citation needed"
>>81118649
>atheism isn't practically a religion at this point
>>81144583
>The same logic that "disproves" God, disproves Man as well. An atheist doesn't believe in human consciousness, an atheist doesn't believe in the the uniqueness of individual perspective.
I agree. Atheists are selective in how they apply their rationality.
They should read some Hume and apply their skepticism to everything. Turn it on your self and watch your "I" disintegrate.
Without a relation to God, your self and soul is lost.
Atheists are either running around trying to avoid facing the emptiness of their existence, or they embrace it and end up dead inside (Buddhism).
>>81145408
>People that actually believe this
>>81146417
>Atheists are either running around trying to avoid facing the emptiness of their existence, or they embrace it and end up dead inside (Buddhism).
Based man
>>81145784
So you admit being in a religion is bad, then? Why are you in a religion?
Religion is an outdated practice. It's outlived its use and was more or less a means to control the masses and keep them in line, not necessarily to promote or spread moral or ethical values.
The problem is that there isn't a proper replacement that encourages people to practice or promote altruism, or the few benefits that religion managed to provide to society at large. Science has proven that there's an innate sense of morality and empathy biologically programmed into most humans - and even in numerous animal species. Someone needs to create an organization that uses science as the backbone of proof instead of religion, simple as that.
>>81146417
>actually believing in a soul
>>81146897
It's worst of all being in a supposedly faithless religion
It's basically the materialism Communism taught
>>81146921
>Someone needs to create an organization that uses science as the backbone of proof instead of religion, simple as that.
They're already trying to do that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
>>81147106
I don't think it's a religion though. I think what you're doing is to defend being in a religion by calling not being in a religion a religion in itself.
Like when you tell someone they are in a pyramid scheme and they defensively hypergeneralize by saying all businesses are pyramid schemes.
>>81146665
>>81147376
Atheism means "without (faith in) God"
There is nothing to stop you from forming religious groups
Buddhists are wholly religious and fully atheist
>>81120048
you're just stupid, that's like saying every christian is a KKK member.
your religious belief is not a projection of your political ideology.
>>81147640
There are frequent ties throughout history to unjustifiable acts that you may not ignore
The Atheism of Communism you may not ignore
>>81147632
I know that, I still think it's basically a way to defend being in a religion by calling atheism "the religion of not being in a religion". Which is an outgrowth of religious adherence long being the norm. Deviation from that norm would seem to be its own "thing".
Imagine living in a world where almost everybody has a brain slug and they keep trying to put one on you. You're like no way, I know what that thing is and I don't want it.
So they say you already have a brain slug: The brain slug of not having a brain slug on your head.
>>81137302
>a mystical experience is basically your brain hay wiring the fuck out which THEN becomes religion when you try to make some sense out of it, add thoughts, reasoning and theories. or political reasons.
You are proving my point the very fact you try to explain this phenomenon means you are engaging religious thinking. Check mate hippy. The only tangible difference is that some religions are organized and have a formal structure while others are collectives in the loosest sense.
>the practices of mysticism (meditation, fasting, etc.) have a very simple natural origin: your brain goes bananas in extreme physical and mental stress.
But you are not negating that those practices come about from religious organizing and systematization, not random individualistic fancy. Mantras, meditation and what have you are refined by people involved in religion.
>or maybe you can really believe you were being visited by Gabriel and create a new religion out of this.
Not a fucking delusional goat fucker so i can't really comment on semetic drivel.
>truth is: it doesn't really matter in a pragmatic sense what happened to your brain or why did it happen. spirituality to me is being open to these sudden changes or inexplicable feelings, because you can still learn out of them.
Keyword: to yourself.
>>81138406
>Weed Lmao guy saying religion is bad man, smoke some of this really spiritual weed it will open your mind, man.
>>81148038
You're trying to pathologise the error in considering atheism a religion
Like I've already told you, atheists have nothing to stop them from having their common naturalist ideologies coalescing into a cohesive religious group
New Atheism is an example of a cult-like outgrowth of Atheists
>>81147885
how about the ties between the inquisition and christianity in europe up until the French Revolution?
Were those acts justified?
>>81149264
Yes. Right now we need an Inquisition within our own Church
>>81149264
AS much i hate Christianity, lets get a few things straight.
Inquisition was not as bad people think it was, didn't kill that as many as history channel would have you believe. And more importantly it was the only good solution at the time instead of having the constant mob lynching and violence. Their methods were crude, but at least they did attempt some form of investigation into the matters and more often then not people would not burn at the stake.
They sucked, but it was that or anarchy.
>>81149370
So it is justified to kill anyone that doesn't share your religious belief? Cuz that's exactly what the Inquisition was about:
One of the consequences of these pogroms was the mass conversion of thousands of surviving Jews. Forced baptism was contrary to the law of the Catholic Church, and theoretically anybody who had been forcibly baptized could legally return to Judaism. However, this was very narrowly interpreted. Legal definitions of the time theoretically acknowledged that a forced baptism was not a valid sacrament, but confined this to cases where it was literally administered by physical force. A person who had consented to baptism under threat of death or serious injury was still regarded as a voluntary convert, and accordingly forbidden to revert to Judaism.[37] After the public violence, many of the converted "felt it safer to remain in their new religion."[38] Thus, after 1391, a new social group appeared and were referred to as conversos or New Christians.
>>81149924
>So it is justified to kill anyone that doesn't share your religious belief?
At that point it was necessary
Now heresy needs to be firmly stamped out from within the Catholic Church
Killing them is not needed when the Secular Rule of Law may keep them in check
At that point there was a Theocracy and the Church was responsible for everyone
