I come from a predominately muslim family and I'm an atheist.
I don't know how we are supposed to deal with the immigration crisis because I really don't know which way is the best. I've talked to some immigrants and it looks like many of them are secretly atheist but they can't out themselves out of fear they might get problems with the muslim conservatives among them.
I want to help them but on the other side, I want the conservative muslims to just go back to where they came from because nobody needs them. I think non-conservative muslims deserve my/our help, unlike the others. But how am I/are we supposed to help a minority from a group full of (by western modern standard) immoral people?
I have seen with my very own eyes what these conservative muslims do and I didn't like it. Pretty much ~50% of all my muslim relatives are hypocritical, nationalistic, patriotic pro-islam asshats.
>>81114037
Die.
Atheists are scum just like Islamics are.
>>81114037
Nobody cares about your beliefs
You simply don't belong on these lands
>>81114106
"Hurr durr, all people who don't believe in my religion should die."
Religions are over. Out. Done.
Nobody needs them and the world would be a way better place without those huge cults.
>>81114037
>a predominately muslim family
Aha, so there were a few kidnapped rapeslave Bulgar, Armenian and Greek women in the family tree, eh, Mehmet?
Go home and spread secularism in your own country.
>>81114037
>I don't know how we are supposed to deal with the immigration crisis because I
What do you mean by we?
>>81114297
yours is the only one causing problems right now
go home
>>81114360
My ancestors actually migrated to Europe from Russia/Romania and the other part comes from Sweden/Denmark.
>>81114502
(Never got to meet more than just a few of my Scandinavian relatives, though).
>>81114418
Our governments obviously want to help immigrants and since that's not going to change, why not influence which way it's supposed to go? It would be a mistake to let absolutely everyone in.
>>81114037
The problem is that Germany is keeping all of these migrant populations concentrated together.
They should be so sparsely separated that they cannot form insular communities and they cannot form a sub culture.
In this way it would be easier for them while outside of group think mentality to follow their own heart.
It would be hard to do this though since Germany is taking in millions upon millions of them.
>>81114037
>It's simple. You, uh, kill the Muslim conservatives.
C'mon, Germany - you've done this sort of thing before. You should know how it works.
cool go do that back in your own country
>>81114037
You need to go back. This isn't just a religious thing, it's a racial thing. Would you willingly stay as a guest in a home you knew you were not welcome in? Despite all the leftist virtue signaling, white Europeans do not want you in their lands. It's wrong for them to have to give up their ancestral homelands to foreigners like you, and it's wrong for leftists to mislead you into overstaying your welcome. I feel for you, I really do, but you and your people need to do the appropriate thing that graceful guests do who have overstayed their welcome and go back to your own country and work to fix the problems there.
>>81114037
>I don't know how we are supposed to deal with the immigration crisis because I really don't know which way is the best
Let me stop you right there. There is no "we" here. You are not German. You are not European. Your opinion is not in any way relevant. You are a foreign invader and it is up to us to deal with you, and the only thing we can do is send every single one of you back to whatever shithole you came from. Anyone who resists gets a bullet in the head.
>>81115246
Ah, didn't see that you may in fact be white. If that's the case, stay and become Christian, and convert your family. Muslims tend to make great converts, actually
>>81114037
You're not German and never will be you all need to go back.
>>81114037
Hey bud, I feel ya. Although, calling yourself an Athirst while still participating in the community, you're really just a non-practicing Muslim. Now if you walk away from the community and don't take part in holidays, going to the mosque etc, then sure, but it's still a part of you're identity. Like being a Jewish Athiest.
But yeah, I do not know about the country you're living in, but here in America, no matter how much you disagree with someone's world view and cultural practices, as long as they are not infringing on another rights, that person is free to believe and act as they please.
So other Muslims who want to disengage from their Muslim communities are Freetown do so, but they will have to live with the consequences of being shut out. You don't get to be part of a club if you don't participate. And if you feel so disgusted with it, then that's something you have to weigh.
>>81114106
Slimes are in jail at 10x the probability compared to Christians. Christians are in jail at 10x the probability compared to atheists.
>>81114897
Interesting idea. Basically, we should westernize them to avoid growing a monster in our midst. I can imagine it being helpful.
Some of the atheist immigrants told me that many of the muslim immigrants fear losing their culture so they try to stick together as much as possible, which means they don't talk to anyone outside of their community. Although it's also mainly them who want to go back because they think our society is "immoral". Which is, to be honest, somewhat calming.
>>81114037
Easy, we destroy the black rock and kill all muslims who blindly chimp out without their idol.
>>81114233
This
>>81115152
That's funny, considering the fact I only speak English, German and Swedish. Besides that, I was born in Germany.
>>81114037
No time for distinctions. You have to fuck off with the rest of them.
Who knows when you start feeling regret for being an atheist and decide to become a martyr to be able to enter Jannah.
Half of all suicide bombers motivation is that. The Brussels attackers were atheist, alcohol drinking criminals. Who decided to martyr themselves to repent.
So we cant fucking trust you.
>>81115758
who cares where you where born. You are not german. convert to christianity and marry a white german christian or leave,
no one trusts this former muslim atheist crap
Stopping immigration is only covering up a symptom of a deeper underlying problem. That is chronic instability in the home nations of immigrants. Just like western nations people coming from source countries in the Middle East require the stability we have in the west. They are not fleeing because of benefits or welfare they are seeking safety, employment, shelter, and a better life away from the war torn regions they are coming from. So implying some kind of bullshit crusade, putting up a fence, or utilising violence is going to stop this think again. People are literally dying by the thousands in search of peace and safety. Stabilise the home nations of immigrants, reduce immigration.
>>81114037
How do you feel about the prophet Muhammad?
>>81115774
Yes, better be careful. I just might turn into a vicious muslim alien and destroy Earth with laser weapons.
>>81114897
You will never voluntarily get them to do this.
Imagine if in South Africa, your government decided white communites should be split up to improve integration. You'd either run for the fucking hills or start fighting, wouldnt you?
Same mentality with the Muslims.
>>81115962
Tbh, islam disgusts me generally. From the inhumane religious rules to the sharia law, all the way down to the believers who always manage to find a way to blame things on others except for their own religion.
>>81115916
It's funny that so many people here are protecting christianity. But as someone who has seen the true face of islam, I can tell you that islam and christianity are actually quite similar. Sure, christianity has been liberalised in the past few centuries but they have the same "core" values. That's why I don't like either of them.
>>81115999
Dont strawman me. Most of these attackers are atheists, criminals and degenerates in the eyes of Islam in one way or another. Islam allows them to martyr themselves and be forgiven. So some do.
The fact that a former muzzie/muzzie educated person is now atheist proves nothing. They may one day see the error of their ways, and decide the only way to repent is an attack. Who knows what you will do in 5-10 years time?
This happened in both Brussels and Nice.
>>81115758
>I was born in Germany.
Das macht dich nicht Deutsch. Mann must Deutsches blutt habben um Deutsch zu seinn.
In other words, its high time to end this multi-racial, multicultural society. We need to just get our countries back. So you need to fuck off.
>>81115941
The main issue is the religion. I believe the middle east would do better without islam but since the majority there tends to cling onto islam like it's about life and death... I guess it's not going to happen anytime soon, unfortunately.
>>81116350
Both of them can only be defended by saying that "not all believers follow the holy texts literally..." as if this does anything to paint the beliefs themselves in anything but a negative light. It's effectively admitting that they do suck, but that it isn't bad, people don't take them seriously enough to cause damage (in Islam's case this is a lie, for Christianity in Western countries it's true).
>>81116598
>The main issue is the religion.
The race and the religion. You sandsnakes are just naturally inclined to be violent. It's the same pattern we see with the niggers in the USA: low IQ and a natural propensity for violence. Both muzzies and niggers are severely overrepresented for violent crimes, theft and rape.
You are the niggers of Europe.
>>81116477
They like to blame the terrorist attacks on everyone else but islam.
I have never considered myself a muslim. I didn't even like the religion when I was 7-9 years old.
>>81116477
There is no thing as "German blood". Blood doesn't have a nationality.
I think the solution is pretty simple.
1. A long period of strict immigration control. If you have any indicators of being radicalized, you are denied entry. If you are a total unknown, you are denied entry.
2. The western nations have extensive intelligence operations including pervasive electronic surveillance. Utilize this to identify people in the nation that are radicalized. Deport them. Err on the side of caution. Shutdown interference from leftist politicians and groups.
3. Utilize intelligence to bomb the ever living shit out of the ISIS caliphate, using no restraint against ISIS 'civilians'. If they're in the vicinity, they get blown the fuck up too.
4. Stop interfering with middle eastern nations. Diplomacy is a good thing. Alliances are a good thing. Directly fucking with heads of state, governments and elections needs to stop.
5. Stop providing weapons to middle eastern nations and other known terror states in any capacity, including selling arms and weapons.
If you are a muslim immigrant who is not radicalized, has never voiced an opinion that you wanted to jihad people and never called for violent attacks or murder, feel free to assimilate into the culture of your host nation. Kicking you out is not the answer, but the above 5 points are necessary.
>>81117080
>There is no thing as "German blood".
Yes there is. DNA. R1b in this case. What, did you think it was just pure coincidence that Germans are all white, and generally tend towards fair hair and light eyes? Same as Nordics, to which we are closely related (Dutch are germanics).
I see your renounciation of Islam doesnt go so far that you accept the theory of evolution. Or genetics.
>>81116947
So were many suicide bombers. But they grew up in it, surrounded by it. And eventually they decided that atheism and immorality didnt work.
So you know. Can't trust you.
>>81116598
It's got little to do with religion. Extremist ideology is no more than a power grab and those who want it will hide behind the banner of anything that will draw followers to them. Politics, religion, sexism, animals, anti-abortionists, right-wingers, Christian cults the list goes on. Islam is the banner most of the activity is happening under now, but it will shift to something else later and there will always be people who will be stupid enough to follow.
HOL UP
what did that slut throw onto the other slut?
>>81114037
You need a tour bus
>>81117182
I agree on #1, #2, #4 and #5 but we can't simply bomb ISIS and kill civilians. I wondered why western countries don't simply nuke all known ISIS calphites and I looked up why they didn't do it yet and apparently everyone is walking on eggshells because they fear starting a war with the countries which are being invaded by ISIS.
>If you are a muslim immigrant who is not radicalized
Not all immigrants are muslims. From my experience, there are many immigrants (although still a minority) who are trying to get out of muslim countries because they can't live there without having problems with hardcore muslims or the governments for being atheists, christians, jews, gay, lesbian etc.
I would say the Swedish teachers did and most likely still do a great job at assimilating the students into the culture. It's probably easier to assimilate into a culture while you're still young and not influenced by middle eastern culture and I'm glad that was the case with me.
>>81117787
I don't care. I came here to discuss possible solutions for the immigrant crisis and the terrorist attacks, not to argue with people who think that genetics have nationalities. Nationalities are a social construct.
>>81117934
A tampon.
>>81114037
It doesn't matter whether they're muslim or not.
Diversity is BAD no matter what the religious beliefs of the invaders are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities
Verpiss dich einfach du Ratte.
>>81117844
Didn't consider that but you're right.
>>81115941
Funny because most of these """"refugees"""" didn't even came from syria or war torn countries.
>They are not fleeing because of benefits or welfare they are seeking safety, employment, shelter, and a better life away from the war torn regions they are coming from
Bullshit.
>>81114106
This britbong really gets around
>>81119146
Scheinbar kannst du nicht einmal zwischen einem Menschen und einer Ratte unterscheiden, tragisch.
>>81118961
A nation is the political structure created to organise the interests and protection of a certain ethnic group. You dumb retard.
Why do you think nations first emerged amongst homogeneous groups of people? Good god man. Do you think nations came falling out of the sky and just arbitrarily divided people?
That shit only happened in Africa, because we forced it on them.
>>81115941
>they are seeking... employment
Not much evidence of that, after 4 generations of being unemployed fucking NEETs.
>>81118656
In all honesty the depiction in the media and the amplification of violence is nothing more than a badge of honour for extremists. There should be a literal blanket ban on reporting their activities, and there should be a massive concerted effort to undermine their propaganda activities. Maybe the elite keyboard warriors of /pol/ could do something instead of influencing Ted Cruz scandals.
>>81114037
None of you belong here, full stop. You are a net drain on Western economies, and you do not fit into our societies, rlregardless of how actively you practice religion.
You aren't in our lands in your own merits, you're here because of inept, corrupt politicians, corporate lobbyism, and pity at how shitty your nations and culture are.
You can't criticize Muslim refugees/immigrants, you are one.
>>81119485
Und du scheiß Ölauge kannst anscheinend nicht ausreichend lesen um den verlinkten Artikel zu begreifen.
Deine Präsenz und die deiner scheißhäutigen Kumpanen wird IMMER Einbußen in der Lebensqualität der heimischen Bevölkerung bedeuten.
Verpiss dich einfach.
Better start converting en masse or get booted out of Europe.
>>81119889
Why don't our governments do anything about it? I understand why many people are against censorship but why not allow it in this case?
>>81114037
The only way to stop conservative muslimes is conquering them by culture, there is always hope that the new generations will change depending on their contact with culture as you did, you must work for that to happen. Spread culture and be smart, music, movies, books, ANIME, video games, history, learn about all that as much as you can and spread it.
>>81114037
>I want to help them
Why? When will this shitty fucking meme end.
>>81120347
Glaubst du wirklich, dass andere das tun werden, was du ihnen sagst? Ich meine... wirklich? Nicht einmal Kinder glauben sowas.
>>81114037
>I don't know how we are supposed to deal with the immigration crisis because I really don't know which way is the best.
What do you mean? What good reasons are there for allowing immigration of muslims into europe to continue?
Glad to hear you not a retarded mudscum. But I'm not sure what you can do to help yourself. I'm openly atheist, which is not a problem. But you can't do that without being socially ostracized, or even receive death threats. Do you have a plan? Sounds like there's no way for society to know if you're a mudscum like everyone else or actually atheist. So how can we be sure you won't try to kill people some day in the name of ISIS?
>>81114037
Seriously dude, just fucking go back to Syria. Fight for Assad. Some of the cities are nice along the Mediterranean and you could probably have a nice life in one of them. There's nothing for you though in Germany, and you are not good for Germans.
Before you go, it might be good to wake some Germans up about this. But you just don't belong, sorry mate.
>>81120942
I want to help liberal immigrants because they don't threaten my rights. Perhaps this will help the conservative immigrants to realize that they have to change if they want help.
I consider myself a decent human being who believes in equal rights and democracy and I truly like helping others (but only if I know they're decent people who want to help others too and don't just want to fuck things up).
>>81114037
fuck em. fuck the conservatives of any religion.
tell you and your friends to grow some balls, and stop giving into other people's dogmas.
This fight against fundamentalism starts within the mudslime community, as soon as people WITHIN the group have the courage to say, this terrorism, this extremism = NO MOAR
>>81120960
And no one believed Hitler would deport the Jews either.
Mass relocation of people's? Total myth and impossible!
>forced relocation of Jews to babylon and egypt
>relocation of africans to the americas
>>81120664
It's extremely complex to deal with, nobody wants to go to war after almost a decade of conflict. Our populations have grown wary of war and the last was premised on false information. To me this is a propaganda war, once which is being fought online for the most part. Western security services were badly crippled by Snowden and I believe that setback work against ISIS badly. I can't imagine the amount of work required to sort out the aftermath of what he did the amount of resource consumed to contain the damage must of been unimaginable. I think the security services are only recovering now and they will take the fight to them. There is no one single solution for this fight, it's about propaganda, stabilisation, self sufficiency of foreign governments, and restoring a balance of power in the Middle East which will obtain peace. The West is tired, it's been a shitty first 16 years of the new millennium (terrorism, depression, war), hopefully we get back on our feet again.
>>81121325
Why do you think I come from Syria or middle east?
>>81114037
there's no way this whole muslim situation in europe doesn't end with ethnic cleansing (for either side)
the more you bring the more will die. you shouldn't be here either.
>>81114037
>they might get problems with the muslim conservatives among them.
Tell them to rat out who the most potentially violent ones are and then make them disappear into a lake.
>>81121775
Why do you think immigration of muslims into europe should continue?
>>81114037
As soon as you can become independent from them you should do it.
You're member of a cult and the mainstream defends that cult.
We need more muslims to speak out.
Leave and tell them to go fuck themself and hope others will join you.
>>81122262
This. If there's a fund for supporting muslims who want to leave islam, I want to support it.
>>81121775
Go live in Tartus, it's probably pretty nice
>>81114037
>I've talked to some immigrants and it looks like many of them are secretly atheist but they can't out themselves out of fear they might get problems with the muslim conservatives among them.
That's the problem.
It needs to be normalised to the point where it isn't a big deal.
>>81115437
Well said, Sven.
>>81114037
OUT! OUT! OUT!
>>81122262
I have been independant from them for pretty much my entire life. I've been challenging the values of conservative muslims in my family for years (guess I'm lucky this part of my family lives within the Balkan and isn't as extreme as conservative muslims from, let's say, Syria or the United Arab Emirates, etc.)
Some of them understand why I don't like islam while others don't. But the ones who do get what I say are usually "softie" muslims and have realized that liberalism is better than conservatism. I guess the only reason why they still call themselves "muslims" is because they fear they might face rejection from other family members.
>>81117080
And because of that mentality the only way to deal with foreigners like you is to remove them one way or the other.
If you're allowed to stay, you'll spread this nonsense, and no matter how moderate you are, you'll destroy the nation.
There is a very simple solution, just three words
RIGHT
WING
DEATHSQUADS
>>81123379
We both know that's not going to happen. I've been on 4chan long enough to analyse and understand how trolls think and why they're here. They're here because they can't express themselves in public because they fear they might get judged. 4chan is the only place where trolls have a huge audience and may or may not find people who agree with them while staying anonymous. But in the end of the day, it doesn't matter because everything stays the same.
If you're trying to hurt me in any way, you'll have to step up your game because I have been desensitized to the point where words simply can not hurt me.
>>81117080
never noticed Bjork's unibrow before
I'd still hit it (20 years ago)
>>81124302
The world is full of unexpected twists and turns
>>81124120
See, the thing is that Germans take their time when changing to external factors. They even have an old meme for it, called "Deutscher Michel", depicted as sleeping man that gets picked on by his neighbors.
If I was in your position I'd hope that everything stays the same too. It won't be words that'll come to hurt you if the Michel wakes up.
>>81123120
>I guess the only reason why they still call themselves "muslims" is because they fear they might face rejection from other family members.
This is the problem. There's a lot of muslims who don't support terrorism or any of that shit, but they won't speak up about it for fear of being rejected by family members who don't feel the same.
>>81124402
You can't even stay consistent between two posts. It's truly sad how inferior you "people" are when you get down to it.
>>81114037
No. YOU ALL NEED TO GO BACK. YOU ARE A SHIT SKIN. BEING A MUSLIM IS A SECONDARY PROBLEM. YOU AREN't WHITE, GET OUT OF EUROPE REEEEEEEEE
>>81115246
I've never seen so much hypocrisy in one post. This shit is coming from an AMERICAN. Not only has your country spearheaded the efforts to destabilize the middle east but the puritanical nutjobs who started your shitty country are doing the exact same thing these refugees are doing now ie: fleeing the religious turmoil and persecution from their homelands.
If you think the refugees/migrants should fix their own problems. Why don't you move to that country and fix it. Your superior European heritage should have it sorted in no time.
>>81124464
To be honest, I don't feel threatened at all.
>>81115758
>Ich wurde in einer Garage geboren, also bin ich ein Auto.
Ich habe nichts gegen dich, aber es ist besser für uns beide wenn du ins Land deiner Ahnen zurückkehrst. Für eine multikulturelle Welt, in der jeder seine Kultur und seine Rasse am Leben erhalten kann.
>>81124592
Weih. Der Oberrat der Spaßbremsen ist hier!
>>81115941
I really like this point, and to an extent I agree. Give this article a read, though. http://www.thelocal.se/20160531/fewer-than-500-of-163000-asylum-seekers-found-jobs
>>81124806
I don't really humanize you animals enough to care about your emotions, to be frank.
I'm just telling you that the current behavior is historically known, and so is the potential change in the future.
>>81114037
Three sides to Brown / islamic immigration:
>Terrorism and extremism
>rape
>crime and violence
The non-fundamentalist muslims participate in the last ones.
Having muslims in your nation means that there will be terror/threats of terror, much higher levels of rape, and violence. It means your nation will no longer be a nice safe one. I know this, Norway is a prime example.
This is both genetic (muslims are mostly MENA and south asian) and cultural.
The only solution is to keep muslims out, and remove those that are already there.
>>81114037
You should infiltrate the conservative muslim ranks, eavesdrop on the mosques while wearing body cameras, after a few months of recording their bullshit extremism speeches, release the footage with translations and addresses of the people to the public and let the community carry out justice. Also make sure to stop wearing body cameras after that point b/c they'll start looking for snitches.
>>81114037
Are you a Turkish qt13 pie? If so, marry a white infidel and have infidel babies to trigger muslims.
>>81125334
You do realize that humans *are* animals, right?
>>81119265
what NZ could be true, it's just that the countries in between are pushing them to Germany as revenge for Eurovision
>>81125475
All humans are animals, not all animals are humans.
>>81118961
>Implying group loyalty and coherence isn't originally an evolutionary instrument based on genetic closeness
>Implying people aren't programmed to only help, and like those who are likely to share their genes
>Implying a nation with no genetic "foundation" isn't going to turn into an unstable, soulless shithole.
>>81125505
>>81114037
>come from a predominately muslim family
>German flag
Is it time?
>>81124120
>every country arround him is busily electing far right politicians or agitating for them
>in his own country people burn down refugee centers
The only reason the reaction in Germany has been so mild, is the massive guilt complex the Germans have.
Germany will probably become an island within a sea of anti-Islam, right wing fanatics. Spearheaded by Austria, France, the Netherlands and Poland.
Poland already is, Austria will become it in a few months, and France and the Netherlands have elections in 2017, with winners predicted to be Le Penn and Wilders.
>>81125692
I bet that sounded much more poignant in your head
>>81125692
Who would have thought that! Shocking.
>>81123120
I know I'm not in the position to make any suggestions, but if I was you and I had enough balls I would leave Islam, convince others to do so and support http://exmuslime.com/
We need to have your voice heard, it's really important that muslims speak out against islam, because we all know that there are many reason for it.
>>81125974
Since you already knew, you pointing it out was redundant.
>>81114897
must.... not.... make... holocaust joke...
>>81125373
>Three sides to Brown / islamic immigration:
>>Terrorism and extremism
>>rape
>>crime and violence
Good, but you're missing a few important ones:
>simple displacement
Every foreigner takes up space, a house, a job, that would otherwise and SHOULD have gone to a native. Like every seed that grows in the earth denies opportunities to other seeds which then wither and die.
>economic competition
This partly relates to crime, but even the honest (lol, let's imagine!) immigrant businessman has various advantages over natives - he has a community of mutual support in his wider immigrant community, the authorities aren't so able to see what he does thanks to language barriers and ideological problems of perceived racism accusation risk.
>>81114037
Religion is irrelevant. Non-whites are subhuman genetic trash and must be exterminated regardless of witch Semitic deity they do or do not pray to. You are destined for the ovens Ahmed.
>>81114037
This is why multiculturalism is so shitty... Islaimic assholes get a pass because of
>muh equality
And people of sound mind cant speak out or anything because it goes against the narrative.
This is why people on the left need to be executed... Lets just ship everyone on the left to an actual islamic country and then we can continue our lives
>>81125780
that could be true if we were ants and could smell the differences in pheromones etc
Unfortunately, your idea probably has some merit. I don't want it to be true though as that would imply there is a finite size/population to any nation or group of peoples before they fragment and start negatively effecting each other. It means the human race is destined to forever be fighting these shitty meaningless battles and we'll never unite and escape this rock before it kills us.
In my mind Globalism has always meant that the species will survive against outside threats. Natural disasters, aliens etc...
>>81114037
Leave Germany you fucking worthless sandnigger.
>>81126079
I can't call myself an "ex-muslim" because I have never been one to start with.
@Your other point - it's already in progress. Even though I can imagine some "softie muslims" giving up on islam, I doubt many will do it. A more realistic goal is to peacefully inspire (or if necessary - force) a reform of the Quran, thus getting the harmful pages banned. It would be a great start if muslims would become liberal because by my experience, it's the conservatives who cause most of the trouble.
Instead of fighting the entire religion, it would be wiser to divide it into two parts and then fight the conservative group together with the liberal group.
We have to focus on the children because the older someone is, the harder it is to influence them. It's important to establish a need for democracy in them and raise them to question everything so that when they grow up, they'll question conservative islam themselves.
>>81126764
>>81126808
>>81127340
these, retarded atheist immigrants think it has to do with religion and not nationalism/tribalism. I'm a blond atheist t*rk and was called a sandnigger by a dutch. That should give you some idea
>>81114037
I'm not saying you should cling to your old culture, but don't ever assume you will get accepted by them, you are and always will be an outsider, no amount of atheism-education-wealth will change that, hell people will probably get pissed far more if you are more educated-more wealthy than them, as class resentment will be added to the tribalist resentment
>>81127408
While I technically agree with you there are plenty of problems:
The islam apologists would never agree that islam has anything to do with violence.
The birthrate in 3rd world shitholes like saudi arabia is far too high to simply "outbreed" bad ideas.
The Quran can't be edited in the views of the majority. And I think if you want to edit the hadith you'd be in for a hell of a fight.
The problem I see is that the liberal muslims are fucking hippies and we don't have an infinite amount of time.
Muslims will outbreed us, their children can't leave the islam and as soon as they take advantage of the weapons we created, ie a-bomb, shit will hit the fan.
We need muslims to speak out and we need them now.
>>81127408
> thus getting the harmful pages banned.
Banning anything is restricting your own freedom and Freedom of Speech in General. Pushing Islam (and all Religions) to meaninglessness is the Agenda that should be pursued.
I'm not yet sure on how to achieve it tho. Maybe extend the elementary School from half day to full day to keep the kids away from their Parents so they are less likely to get radicalized. Also kick any Religion taught in School and divide it into History-Religions and History-Science.
>>81127770
I genuinely don't care about what racists have to say.
People will always think that radical solutions will be the best in times like those. I'm glad their chances are low (because most people are liberal). Even if a right-wing politician/party manages to win the elections in a country, the left-wing parties/politicians will most likely find a way to stop them in many cases. Just take a look at Pres. Obama and the GOP in the US.
>>81115639
>many of the muslim immigrants fear losing their culture
Yeah, I can imagine that. 99% of people who say that phrase do not really understand what "culture" actually means. The reality is that they cannot live their life the exact same way no matter the place. Almost no culture is developed in a way that would support that kind of lifestyle, and there are reasons for that.
"Culture" is a bundle of habits, social contracts and agreements agreements, knowledge and similar things. While it also serves as a tool to allow many people to live together without killing each other on minor things, it's actually meant to "allow people to survive in their environment", be it physically, socially or mentally.
The very idea of "preserving" a culture is idiotic. It's defies logic. A culture shows it worth and dominance in contest with other cultures. Refine your culture. Nurture your culture by educating yourself and the people around you.
If your country's culture can't stomach immigration, massive or not, it's a shit culture that was doomed to fade away. No frogposting, KEKing or mememagic can hide that truth.
The path for European cultures is the path of humanism and atheism. With the Nordic people in the front, we will throw down the shackles of religion and fear mongering.
>>81114037
Find the Atheists and assist them however you can. Don't push away conservative people. Show them that their way leads into past and failure. Be vigilant.
>>81128458
Religions in general are already being pushed into meaninglessness but it's a very slow process. If we want a quick solution, a reform would be our best bet.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2385958/Religion-disappear-2041-people-replaced-God-possessions-claims-leading-psychologist.html
>>81126849
>It means the human race is destined to forever be fighting these shitty meaningless battles and we'll never unite and escape this rock before it kills us.
That sci-fi scenario is a LONG way in the future, if it ever happens. By which time you can bet that some pretty drastic things will have happened that will render all this irrelevant. Superterrestrial humanity will probably be far fewer than the current one, and will probably have emerged from some historical processes that you would find unpalateable, to say the least...
>I want to help them but on the other side
Help them in their own nations this is the white peoples land and youve long outstayed your welcome
>>81129878
This is probably the smartest comment in this entire thread.
>>81129878
>The very idea of "preserving" a culture is idiotic.
Conserving culture is a perfectly good idea if you're protecting it from degenerating. Say a german town with 200 people being overrun by 5000 muslims forcing sharia law.
Obviously culture needs to change as it develops, but not all cultural change is good.
>>81130499
For you.
>>81114037
just go back to your fucking shitty desert countries before the white man slaughters you in his
>>81114233
This guy gets it.
>>81114037
>I come from a predominately muslim family and I'm an atheist.
I dont care. You are a sandnigger shitskin, therefore you must leave Europe.
Go back to the Desert
>>81114037
you're a hostile foreigner. your family are hostile foreigners. your people are hostile foreigners.
when push comes to shove and a war between europeans and muslims breaks out, YOU ALL will side against europe. we all know this. you all know this.
get the fuck out of our land.
>>81114037
Go back roach, doesn't matter the religion Shitskins are all subhumans.
>>81129878
Biggest bullshit i have read so far.
This is pure Frankfurt School.
Go to hell!
It is about RACE and nothing more!
White people arent Muslims.
Muslims arent white.
Religion is a proxy word for Race.
I want sandniggers and shitskins out --> Problem solved.
>>81131557
Muslims aren't a race, he could be malay or whatever the fuck, even ethnic European. Not that I support anyone who defends muslims.
>>81131557
>>81131589
whohohoho. Calm your Horses.
Don't want you get arrested by (((hatespeech)))
>>81131874
I wrote that Religion is a proxy word you stupid Sven
>>81132407
And I didn't see that because the page wasn't updated, calm down Hans.
>>81114037
there is only one true god now ahmet
>>81132407
>>81132585
And even then I don't agree, if an ethnic Brit converted to Islam he'd still be an ethnic Brit although scum.
apology for poor liberalism
when were you when germany dies?
i was at home wiping with quran when adolf ring
'aryans are kill'
'no'
>>81132777
Praise Kek!
>>81131874
Nämen, vad i helvete. Why are you even wasting time on the trolls? They're literally just a waste of time. They could say the craziest, most irrational thing and it wouldn't matter.
What matters is the actual discussion, not the comments coming from the 4chan neckbeards. They're just useful to attract more users we can discuss with.
>>81132781
Sven, take the dick out of your mouth and listen:
in Western World it is impossible to speak about Race therefore we use proxy words.
Culture, Religion and so on...
That doesnt mean that the other way around is valid too. You have a huge problem with logic. You brain is infested by leftwings logic in means of equalty.
>>81133133
>>81132777
There are two gods in the pantheon
>>81132777
>>81114037
tbqh honest as a atheist from a Muslim family you can fuck off for groveling to non-muslims and taking their sides instead of joining the people of your own blood. Its shits like you that lead to more conflict just because you have to be a special and individualistic instead of realizing your family and your people are the only things that really matter.
>>81133471
Why so butmad?
>>81115916
>telling shitskin to marry our white christian women and impregnate them
>>81133171
>impossible to talk about race
Says you. Maybe I'm tired or maybe your English is shit, I have no idea so I'll ask two questions that might help make it clearer.
What is an ethnic Norwegian muslim convert?
And what is a christian Assyrian?
>>81133699
I'm not buttmad, my heart rate isn't up or anything. I just don't like muslims or people from muslim backgrounds that try to appeal to non-muslims by acting secular or "western". You're groveling to people who will never accept you and in the process you alienate those that will accept you.
>>81114037
You don't belong here. Go somewhere else. We already have enough low IQ subhumans to last us an eternity.
Ok, I think almost all of the intelligent users went offline. Guess we can /close this thread now.
It was fun chatting with you people, have a wonderful day. Xoxoxx
>>81134095
>Wahhhhhh nobody agrees with me so that must mean everyone is dumb.
Literally a nigger.
>>81114233
This.
All these snakes trying to distinguish between "bad" and "good" shitskins don't get the point. They do not belong in other people's countries.
>>81133990
>Maybe I'm tired
You are just stupid.
>What is an ethnic Norwegian muslim convert?
He is an Norwegian. His Religion is Islam. His Religion is a problem. We arent racist, right ;^)
>And what is a christian Assyrian?
Shitskin, he is a problem. Religion doesnt matter.
>>81125780
This.
This.
This.
>>81133990
A traitor.
A foreigner.
>>81126849
>that could be true if we were ants and could smell the differences in pheromones etc
We can do that, you ignorant mongrel.
Like ants, we're social animals based on genes selected to be convenient for survival. This idea that culture is everything and genetics doesn't really affect our way of thinking is nothing but cultural reductionism.
>>81132777
WE WUZ....kek?
>>81114106
Gi back to worshipping a kike on a stick.
Oh wait, saturn.
>>81134299
No, I'm pretty sure I'm more intelligent than you, you just can't write cogently. You even wrote
>White people arent Muslims
So apparently the Norwegian would lose his whiteness if he converted? Whatever, I'm convinced you're either retarded or a troll.
>>81134550
Yes that is correct, the Norwegian would still be white though, his ethnicity wouldn't change. The German started writing assuming the OP was a sandnigger when he could be fucking anything because a bunch of retards in Europe are converting or converted centuries ago. I might not like Albanians but they aren't semites.
>>81124769
The difference is our ancestors righteously earned this land you fucking cuck. We displaced wildlife lmao.
E V R O P A
>>81114037
You have to take a stand OP. It takes brave people to stand up first and say enough is enough. But once you do your little voice will be joined by others and it gets louder and louder until the roar can't be ignored any more. You have to take a stand and come out publicly.
>>81124769
>If you think the refugees/migrants should fix their own problems. Why don't you move to that country and fix it. Your superior European heritage should have it sorted in no time.
Hey, I'm all for that. The shitpeople were best when Whites ruled them. They should worship White men.
>>81114037
Being atheist is saying you know God doesn't exist. Anyone who acts that sure of themselves about a subject completely untangle to man as God. Is a God damn FOOL!
>>81135841
>Being atheist is saying you know God doesn't exist.
LOL. No it isn't. It just means you don't believe he exists.
>>81135463
As should most of the fucking world. Not Kike off white men but real white men. Fuck those hooked fucking nosed wannabees! Stay with you own and breed retarded children like God wills it you genetically defunct hooked nosed pieces of dog shit!
>>81114233
/thread so hard
>>81125373
sint du ja :D
der er 92% pedofili mellom etniske enn folk fra utendlandsk bakrunn.
>>81135939
So you're saying you think he doesn't exist but you aren't sure?
As in I believe that is a good person? Yet one may really not know that individual for certain.
WTF are you really trying to say?
>muh religion
I never knew there were so many religionfags on 4chan.
>>81133892
You mean these women?
>>81136356
>So you're saying you think he doesn't exist but you aren't sure?
I would say I'm pretty confident, but one can't be 100% sure about anything. I can't say I believe in God, that is what an atheist is.
>As in I believe that is a good person? Yet one may really not know that individual for certain.
I believe who is a good person? I'm not certain what you're getting at, but yeah, that is how I would use the world "believe". I can believe someone is a good person without being 100% sure. I will generally needs some reason to think it's likely.
>>81114037
My advice to non-mental muslims/atheist arabs in the west would be come out and say that's what you are, realistically you're not going to get murdered over here and if enough of you say it then people will start turning in their family members they know are planning terrorism and tell the more conservative muslims to stay in muslim countries if that's what they prefer.
Too bad people of all cultures are pussies who would rather die than have an awkward dinner conversation with their parents.
>>81137270
Nahh fuck off. My parents know I'm an atheist but I made it pretty clear that I still myself as Muslim and I continue to be a part of the community. Exactly why should I turn on my relatives for your sake? Would you do that for me? No, blood, family, and my people are the most important thing to me and I would never betray them. The life of one Arab or Muslim to me (no matter how religious they are) matters more to me that the lives of all non-muslims and non-arabs. Tbqh I hate terrorism too, but I'd much rather terror attacks me committed in non-muslim lands than in muslim lands.
>>81138081
>My parents know I'm an atheist but I made it pretty clear that I still myself as Muslim
lel, wut
>I don't believe in the existence of God
>Still a muslim
>Guy kills 86 innocent people in the name of ISIS and the teaches of the Quran
>Not a real Muslim
Muslims sure are a silly bunch
>>81139089
Dumb inbred irish nigger. Being a muslim is more than just about faith at this point. Its your culture and your background and practically a race.
>>81114037
killing all of you sandniggers is the most appropriate.
>>81139973
>Being a muslim is more than just about faith at this point.
No, I'm pretty sure it is.
I grew up in a christian family. I still have christian values. But i can't go around claiming I'm christian when I don't even believe in God. Would you consider me to be christian? I'm part of christian culture, and I'm sure that guy is part of Islamic culture, but that's different.
>>81140343
>Would you consider me to be christian?
Yes, bye, going to mosque now
>>81140097
I'd love to drop a ton of dead pigs in there. Let the muslims for miles around smell the aroma of roasting pork.
>>81140530
cool. Don't forget the ammo.
>>81114037
Looks like you wanna adapt to our culture. That's a good thing. You know how to start? By not giving a shit about your backwards family members/friends. Cut ties, move somewhere else, start your western life.
Have you met Marah?
>>81114037
tips fedora much?
>>81115593
Goddamn is that some bullshit poorly done study. How many people "find god" after being confined to a small concrete cell with nothing to do all day. If you wanted to show something that has strong correlation then show this same stat but for people at the time of arrest/convition.
>>81114233
spbp
>>81114037
>I come from a predominately muslim
Stopped reading there.
