What happened, /pol/?
>implying the first post won't say "jews"
jews
Italians are scum of the earth
photo realism is pointless when everyone carries round a camera in their pocket 24/7
>>80964910
No. You and your subhuman coutry are.
>>80964852
Hmm... Really makes you think.
Nothing. We went from depicting the world as it is to more abstract forms. This is all natural.
>>80964852
Art is degenerate
>>80964852
The second ones pretty aesthetic desu
>>80964852
when art became a money laundering vehicle, they needed more of it so they sped up the process. A lot of it is junk that will get tossed at some point.
>What happened, /pol/?
People with no better inclinations can now go to college to study art, something that they may or may not have any talent for. The "art" becomes formulaic, yet must be outrageous/different or your profs won't like it, etc.
Whereas in the past, artists were basically autistic savants who could only do art, and only thought about art, and only had art as a passion. And the subject matter of the art was typically better/real world.
Either way though, art is a waste of time.
>>80964852
It became a money making and laundering industry
tl dr
capitalism
>>80964980
>Portmonkey calling someone else subhuman
>>80964958
doesn't change the fact that the skill level required to create "art" has dropped drastically.
>>80964852
Picasso and his "kin" made abstract art famous.
Retards hoped on the bandwagon and now abstract art is the norm
>>80965086
Has a point as well. We can just take photos of landscapes now, no reason to paint them. Abstract art on the other hand can't be encountered in real life.
Also, >>80965143.
larger population
stupid people ratio
therefore
stupider people
stupider civilization individually
>>80964958
There's some things a camera just can't capture
>>80965091
wew thanks for the flag
>>80964852
Cherry picking happened.
>>80964897
this
>>80964897
1st post best post
>>80964958
Photography captures beauty
Painting creates it in ways that photography cannot
>>80964852
jews won ww2
>>80964852
Art was about reaching photorealism.
Then photography came.
So artists (who had real skills, look at picasso drawings) had to change rules of art, and those new forms of art shocked.
"i have talent, i do new stuff and some things i do are shocking"
Now people are wannabees, they want to be seen as geniuses without understanding what it means.
So now it's more like "let's paint a turd, it's shocking so it means i'm doing new things, thus i must have talent".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc
This video explains it.
>>80965751
>>80965091
flag collected
>>80964852
Styles change just like music. Modern art is more about the abstraction of what being art actually is, whereas classical art was based on representing real things. They're both art, one just uses color and space in a different way.
Also what the fuck is up with /pol/'s hatred of modern art? It's an interesting art form that in thirty or forty years will be replaced with something else.
>>80964897
fpbp
soon there will be transvestites and bi/tri/quad sexuals having intercourses with goats and pooping that's going to trend with this jewish "art".
>tragic
heh actually have a famous old dead artist in my ætt, but he has moved to the next home now, a long time ago. Point is he produced ART, real shit both pictures but mostly famous sculptures, well famous here kek...
pic not related at all, but really good ART
>actually nice to look at
>has a nice theme
>takes work to do that
>I could never do it, didn't get those genes
>>80964852
Anime manga is the true artform.
>>80964852
It was Jews you stupid fuckstick.
>>80965091
OMAN? WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT
kveite!
That had to be one heck of a haul
>>80964852
saw that rembrandt painting in real life. Incredibly lifelike and beautiful
>>80965293
>The bastard son of a French faggot trying to act smart
I hope Trump builds a wall and isolates you and the dirty slimes you´ve welcomed, so they can rape all women in your frenchified, cold and shitty country
>>80964852
Art used to be something to cherish
Now literally anything could be art
This post is art.
>>80964852
Women, marxists, jews.
>>80964958
fucking idiot
>>80964897
This right here
The CIA pioneered and created postmodern art to shoe the rest of the world that there was no limitations on creation here in the united states, and that we possess freedom of expression not seen in other countries.
it's all about perspective
>>80966386
Can I screenshot this and sell it on Ebay to some useful goyim?
Real art still exists
jew artists
jew art critics
jew art museum directors
jew art dealers
+
jew tribalism
jew nepotism
=
modern art
primitive art does not exist
>>80965257
This
Art was done by artists intending to depict images, now art is an 'idea' that anyone can just vomit a colored substance upon anything and everyone ahs to respect it as 'art' it's a huge waste of time.
>>80964852
It lets people launder money while feeling "cultured"
>>80966485
I was just about to post that.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
So yeah, basically an ideological weapon.
>>80966386
Funniest thing is that people say that, but try to put that modern crap in any marketable form for the general public.
In that instant the "this is wonderful art and free expression!" falls apart.
People still want skillfully created stuff that's based on the correct rules of art.
The whole thing is such a huge pile of hypocrisy that it's not even funny.
>>80966614
I really like the colors in that pic.
Makes it look like Bush lives on some sunny Greek island and spends his days painting dogs.
money laundering
no i'm serious
oh and artist youth wanting to make no effort so they take the easy option
>>80966197
this national treasure (FBI or SÄPO stole my blue cross) of ours depicts a wedding travel in hardangerfjorden. Lit translating to the fjord of the horde.
>Is blizzard raysis?
what abot orks? the orks in orkdal, fjord of orks (orkanger), ork islands(orkneys, orkeyjar)...
Damn raysis blizzard...
>#HordeLivesMatter
>#OrkLivesMatter
>#OrkIsRaysis
>#HordeIsRaysis
raysis for everyone!
kek but yeah, it's likely here you got your anglo words and "lore" from yes.
>dunno what pic this is, a rus posted it. never the less noice
>>80966242
Only non-jewed form of media.
>>80965257
Everything can arguably be seen as a waste of time. Kind of a absurd statement. Having children, working, and investing is a waste of time. Sending manned missions to the moon is a waste of time. Writing a great symphony is a waste of time. No matter how hard you work and save you, and your children will die. At least REAL art gives mankind a sense of cathartic release from this madness.
>>80964852
european comic
I want this fucking shit back.
The carving skills on those fuckers back then.
(Urnes stavechurch)
Plan was getting this inked, but it has stalled some waiting for this guy that already has done it several times.
religious art.
>>80967180
>Blacksad.
Mon neger.
Love those comics.
Here's an animation from the same artist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2vzBdIejVY
>>80966555
You know someone actually did that, right?
>>80967416
>>80965922
This, even abstract art in the past was done by artists after they mastered regular art and wanted to see what they could do, now everyone starts at the abstract and skips the basics
>>80967565
They just wanna prevent more Hitlers.
>>80967055
kek
>>80965528
Using that to defend modern art is cherry picking.
Let me tell you how this shit works.
1. A jew artist (Rothko) makes a jew tier modern art painting.
2. A jew art collector (Gertude Stein/Rockefeller) purchases the paintings.
3. A influential jew critic (Clement Greenberg) praises the work of the painter.
4. A jew board director (Lauder,et. al) at jew run art museum (MoMA) wants to buy the artwork because jew critic says it's valuable and significant
5. Jew art curator spends millions of public funds to pay for the jew art
Every Jew involved in this process gets paid.
Every Jew in the process gains prestige.
The Jewish tribe gains prestige.
Rinse, repeat.
Straight up trickle down Jewry.
>>80966114
>>80966114
>thirty or forty years will be replaced
is this why today people still consider Pollock's nonsensical mess as the epitome of modern art? or what about that other fuicking degenerate Warhol and his soup can?
Modern art is the ultimate ponzy scheme, its perfect because the jews have implemented every loophole possible for maximum shekels, you critize it because it doens require effort to make a sculpture of a penis? WHITE PRIVILEGE!!! you critize it because a woman bleeding from his vagina in public isnt art? TOXIC MALE PRIVILEGE!!!
>>80965091
O man that's a rare flag
>>80967080
Pretty nihilistic of you. I don't really believe that. Some things are worthy of our time because they contribute to society in a meaningful way. I just don't think art meets that criterion, despite popular opinion that will tell you that art is the most important part of society.
>>80964852
Impressionists from Paris.
>>80964852
>>80965143
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>>80968953
I am so sick of these threads. Do any of you fuckers even buy art? If you don't support traditional fine artists, then shut the fuck up. I went to art school for painting and tried not to buy into the modern art meme... but guess where the money is? It's in conceptual shit because that's what rich people buy. Most of us can actually make realistic figurative works since we study the masters, but choose not to pursue that route because NO ONE BUYS THAT KIND OF ART. So unless you are supporting living fine artists (which I doubt) or even sharing works of ones you like with friends and family in the hopes they will buy a piece, shut the fuck up.
Like I would love to make traditional oil paintings even with red-pilled themes.. but are any of you going to buy it, or is it smarter to sell to the thousands of jews and art world people who are mostly (at least publicly) blue pilled. It's fine if you hate modern art, but stop complaining if you aren't helping to change anything.
>>80965284
>It became a money making and laundering industry
Also this ^^^
pro tip : info from an auctioneer I know very well.
>>80969670
Well I think that's where the answer to the question lies. You are a whore for shekels, so you have sold your anus and mouth to (((them))) rather that pursue your artistic passion. Your work has no soul to it as a result.
At least do some real shit on the side even if you don't get quite as paid.
>>80970256
I mean, seriously.
>>80969670
Art dealers know it's easier to find someone who paints the "conceptual" shit, so that's what they try to hawk to rich people. Blame the art dealers brother.
>>80968699
Modern art includes a lot of movements, impressionism, expressionism, artdeco. There's a lot of good stuff there. OP was implying that all art now is shit contemporary art, and he was ignoring that there are plenty of people painting in a baroque/academic style these days.
>>80969670
Yes we buy art, as in design of your ikea furniture, the guy who draws your home wallpaper, that luis royo poster.
Yes i do art, in photography, but i'm not retarded enough to try to live from that.
But yes, i can buy art from you, at its value: 15-30€.
Get a true job, then do whatever you want in your spare time.
You cucks don't even understand what art it.
It's a mean to express yourself, it's a passion, it's not a job.
If you live from your art, then you lose your passion, you lose the will to make anything meaningful.
If you do it for the message, if you want to give something to others, it's art.
If you do it to receive money, praise, it's whoring.
>but are any of you going to buy it,
If you were really doing art, the question you'd ask is: "but are any of you going to like it?"
Pic related. Do you like my work?
>>80970256
How did the New Shekel symbol get into this?
>>80970935
Not sure what symbol it is but that is definitely not a shekel
>>80970070
I do make real shit on the side. If it doesn't get into the market, it isn't helping solve the cultural problem. My point was that many of us do make artwork and pursue realism, but art collectors and galleries are much less interested in it. Until the people buying decide that type of work is worth a billion shekels and more important than literal shit on a canvas, nothing will change. It has very little to do with artists selling out, many of us are happy doing what we love and living on little. If it doesn't sell, it may as well not even exist.
>>80970585
this is true
>>80970817
>le frenchie with only true opinion of what art is
I wasn't complaining about the amount of money I make. It is my true job and I am passionate about it. Why would I be a wagecuck and a hobbyist? Just because you aren't successful doesn't mean you need to project your self-hugging ideals on everyone else. You're no better than lefties trying to redefine racism and gender. "It's only art if x"
People liking art doesn't change the market and value of art to a society unless they buy it or revere it as an ideal. My problem, and I think the problem of others here is that it has fallen out of style. It only comes back in style when buyers say "hey this is worth something, this is beautiful, I want to hang this on a wall so others can see how beautiful it is"
It's a bit confusing you think you're the authority and Buddha of art when you don't even realize we are talking about fine art, not design.
>>80964852
What happened? Paintings becoming a dead art happened.
There are millions of people out there as skilled as Michelangelo, if not more. The competition is that harsh and honestly nobody cares anymore about, besides rich people who want shit art like the one in the OP's pic.
>>80964852
The CIA.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
>>80966365
>Salvaje España.
Leaf eternally BTFO.
>>80966332
muh Amurkun educayshin
>>80969670
It doesn't matter who you support
Its like the stock market
Good pieces aren't "volatile" enough for them to make money out of them and them becoming popular would reduce the current market "volatility"
its fucked
>>80969670
Haha you're not a fine artist.
What you're discussing is called fashion.
Sorry fag, don't quit your day job :)
>>80966466
This is Mussolini, right? It has to be.
Obviously cherry picking, kys
>>80972574
>>80972483
>current market "volatility"
and the current stocks everyone has value
>>80969670
>bawwwww
Any actualy argument, faggot?
>>80964852
literally the CIA
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
thanks america
>>80971736
>Why would I be a wagecuck and a hobbyist? Just because you aren't successful doesn't mean you need to project your self-hugging ideals on everyone else. You're no better than lefties trying to redefine racism and gender. "It's only art if x"
There's much more thinking to do.
What is art?
What distinguishes art from industrial products?
What does art mean for an artist?
There's also the question of freedom.
What is true freedom?
For me, it's to get away from all constraints.
Some say art is a mean to express your freedom.
But what is it if you're not free.
Were paintings made for USSR propaganda art? Why?
Should art have a value? Or should it have only the mere value of the matarials and time to make it?
Living from art constraints you to do what buyers like, there's nothing from you anymore, it's just showing that you're just another wagecuck, willing to kneel.
What distinguishes your "artist" career from the wagecuck cleaning the toilets? You're just doing whatever the master says to earn money.
Are you proud of what you do by yourself, or are you proud because others tell you it's good?
My art is free from constraints, it's just there to express what pleases me, and i hope it pleases others.
I'm asking again the question what is art?
>>80969670
Start drawing anime tiddies
This post is a work of art
>>80964852
Hmm... Really makes you drink.
>>80964852
Art back then was for depicting things that had happened. Today we have photos for that.
So art has tried to get people to think, and show different, weird and thoughprovoking things. You can be against or for that. But that is what has happened.
>>80972983
well said
>>80970817
>It's a mean to express yourself, it's a passion, it's not a job.
You have a bit of a romanticized idea of art.
One of my relatives is a world famous photographer and routinely pulls anywhere from 5-40k per photo and while they're a form of expression, it sure as fuck is also seen as a job.
Same goes for all of the other people in that circle who are pulling similar amount of money or even bigger sums.
They're ruthless businessmen first and foremost and artists second.
That's also one of the reasons why they are successful.
As for that pic of yours, it's boring and looks like someone just turned a regular concert photo into a black and white version of it.
You're showing way too much empty space above the band.
There's also too much empty space on the right hand side, while the bald guy singing at the left has very little elbow room.
It feels cramped and the picture is unbalanced.
I would have gone closer and taken it from a more interesting angle, while also shifting the focus to the lead singers.
>>80964958
Salvador Dali didn't create realistic images but they were breathtaking and conceptual not this fucking garbage.
>>80972153
>>80972794
>>80969670
we need patronage
>not getting into the furry business
>not realizing furries will pay top dollar for a 30 minute piece of work
>>80973354
I'm talking about the philosophic definition of art.
Sure you can become specialized and earn money. But at which point do you sell yourself and do only what will be sold?
I'm not talking about photography, but about those "art pieces" showing dicks and vaginas.
What's their idea behind it? Do they only have something to express? Or are they just doing
Art photography needs a skill that makes you take the good picture at the good moment, and that's why you're paid, as pictures need to be aesthetic with a constrained subject.
What's the modern artist skill?
>>80969462
So would you say Beethoven, bach, and Mozart wasted their time? Despite the music of Mozart enriching the intellect arguably of people like Einstein. As you've probably heard learning an instrument has an extremely beneficial impact on the brain. The complexity of a Bach fugue for instance on piano lies in the fact that the performer must consider multiple variables at once (a piano player may play up to 4 melodies interweaving into one another simultaneously.)
If this music improves the intellect of children can it really be said to be a 'waste of time' from your perspective. After all Einstein often played Mozart himself on violin. Who is to say that without this musical outlet Einstein would not have discovered relativity?
It is also the soul of European culture. You're dreaming if you honestly believe we would not be deprived if Mozart had never lived. If music were to be removed from our experience western intellect would suffer greatly.
If you think about it what you're saying is actually nihilistic as well. However, art and music is objectively no less a waste of time than any of the subjects I mentioned in my previous post. I challenge you to make a coherent argument against this that isn't centered around "muh feels"
>>80967180
Blacksad is sweet as fuck even if it panders to "muh under-privileged oppressed blacks"
>>80964852
money laundering, m8
>>80974823
This cracka know what's up
>>80969462
Also you sound like a bloody Marxist with your
>if it doesn't contribute to society it's a waste of time
That's collectivist as fuck and is an anathema to the spirit of the West. You see, what makes the West great is the fact that we generate the individual. This mentality is what separates us from soulless Chinese collectivism. Obviously, the West is very sick since this type of thinking has become so pervasive. No wonder we no longer innovate on the scale we did during the Victorian age.
>>80964897
There is no other possible answer
>>80964897
This.
Anyone with potential ends up drawing porn online for a price.
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>>80965091
Oman is degenerate
Bad art always existed. We choose not to remember it.
>>80967180
>>80976678
>300 dpi
>high resolution
lol
>>80964852
>Art should look like this
t. a tiny retarded brain
>take a shit
>call it art
>hype it
>hype it
>sell it for thousands
Easy money desu
>>80978709
They should compile all the worst art in the world and release a book entitled "the worst art of all time."
![artwork[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BAWA3GN.jpg "artwork[1].jpg")
>>80966386
>>80966555
>>80967470
Yes, of course you knew since it was quoted verbatim.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/05/a-photo-of-a-4chan-post-sold-for-almost-100000-because-art/
