How do you respond when you see some one you respect deeply suddenly drift off to political views that contradict yours?
What do you do when an artist you hold dearly calls for the heads of the caucasian race?
Share your stories with me /pol/.
Why would you listen to an artist or actor when it comes to politics?
>>80953205
I'll start.
> Listen to band for 4 years straight
> Composer suddenly tweets pro BLM tweets
> Calls for the rise of non-whites all over the world
> Obviously holds a grudge against an entire race for some bad expierences he had
> Takes pictures of things I say
> Posts them and my name publicly towards his fans
> Getting threads as we speak
>>80953485
Why would you listen to any one? It's just a sad experience when it happens.
I called Limmy a lefty idiot on Twitter which lead to a 40+ tweet argument between us
>>80953696
Why did you call him an idiot?
>>80953505
damn dude that's heavy
I guess my closest relation to this is the UK politicians including Farage Insulting and berating Trump
>>80953783
Limmy's a bit of a daftie
>>80953860
He even called out Ela Orleans. Some one that I listen to daily. She agrees with him.
Now I'm portrayed as a racist, even though I'm afraid for my life.
>>80953783
He was criticizing trumps tweet about that gay night club massacre, blah blah Islam is blameless and trump is the antichrist basically.
>>80953860
>tfw Geert sided with Trump
Not really a surprise, but nice anyway.
>>80953205
I had a streamer once that went full fucking Islam apologist on stream and could not even tolerate the views of Sam Harris (toppo kekko). Stopped watching him after that, no need to sponsor/give clicks to idiots.
>>80953205
I try not to mind tbqh.
If I disagree with someone a lot when it comes to politics we just stop talking about it. It only makes our relationship worse.
>>80953928
They all tend to steer this way. Which is odd.
The guy in my pic was talking about facts while ignoring statistics I provided.
He even believes BLM is not anti-white. But anti-white is all I see.
>>80954036
He blocked me after I called his new tracks shit.
>>80954069
You hit a fuckin nerve there lad, at least you know that.
>>80954016
I try not to mind too. But it becomes too easy to jump into discussions with these people. Before all of this I didn't see them as real people, know what I mean? They were artists providing work. Providing music.
Now they're in front of me, spouting opinions that I disagree with. I can't help but respond.
>>80954222
That's for sure. His new tracks do suck though.
>>80954258
The thing that I find to be the worst of all, is that I miss the times in which you wouldn't even know what an artist looks like. You like his/her music and that's it.
But now artists call fans racists and assholes right out in the open. It all goes to shit.
>>80954003
I fucking hate Islam apologists. These people know 0% of what they talk about, or they sugar coat it. As if every person is a good person by default.
Being afraid for your safety isn't legal anymore.
Pretty much any time Ricky Gervais opens his mouth, particularly on the subject of race and culture. For some reason he sees himself as THE grand authority on the subject of race and racism. On his radio show Ricky would pretty much shoot down anything Karl said "as a joke" I guess, even though some of the stuff Karl says is spot on.
>>80954804
Yeah he tends to flat out ignore any feedback Karl gives while his most popular show is based around him.
I hate Ricky Gervais with a passion.
On a serious note, for whom are these people being so politically correct?
>>80954882
At least Stephen Merchant was always there to give Ricky a taste of his own viscous and condescending mockery. It always felt as though Merch always had some brilliant insults ready to fire off at Ricky in a flurry as soon as Ricky gave him the opportunity.
>>80955242
I think celebrities shouldn't even be busy with this shit. They're standing in a spotlight basically exposing themselves to any critisism. And then they come with the most horrible opinions of all; self entitled politically correct remarks about race/gender.
Can't fucking stand it. I can't fucking stand people that use their position to vent.
>>80954882
>On a serious note, for whom are these people being so politically correct?
They are all communists and satanists. Yes, every single on of them. Even Lemmy from Motörhead was a fucking commie.
The reds have overtaken the media and there is basically nothing you can do.
>>80953860
Where has Farage insulted Trump? For the most part, I see him talking about some small screw ups here and there but he supports the overall message and seems to see him as a natural conclusion to the the way the government ignores its people. Saying he doesn't truly understand the political system isn't an insult at this point. It's coming from the perspective of a realist who started out as a businessman and has been inside the political game for many years. Hell, I'd go so far as to call it a compliment in certain circles. It's not going to be easy to break into politics. Washington has a particular etiquette and a majority of the establishment wants to prevent the type of change that Trump represents. Farage has had what, 17 years to break into the system? Trump has had 1 year to break into the system and, if elected, will have 4 to change it. It's not going to be easy.
>>80954882
They're doing it for good boy points in the system. They've become so engulfed with the message that the cultural Marxists are spewing out that they believe the false narrative that has been weaved. In addition to that, many people at the top within Hollywood and other director's/producer's circles also believe this crap and may not hire you if they detect that you have a dissenting opinion.
>>80955573
There is always something we can do. A revolution would be a great way to deal with shit like this.
I'm fed up with people attacking me because of my political views. fuck off already.
>>80953205
>when an artist you hold dearly
i just assume all mainstream artists (musicians, actors, writers, etc.) are raging lefties in the first place and i'm hardly ever disappointed
>tfw burzum fan (don't listen it as much as before)
>watching face of a dying nation videos on youtube
>varg vikernes comments on the j00s, EU and the organized invas- I mean refugees
>take out the guitar and play some of his music
>had even more fun this time
Eh, it goes both ways. I'm still listening to Kendrick Lamar too. He's got a rational stance on the whole BLM thing, even though they chant his songs sometimes. He took shit from other black people for it, but he seems to stand by what he thinks.
Thing is, most artsy types I've come across are the more emotional kind of people, which means they're far more likely to buy today's bullshit. If you go on /pol/, there's a good chance a lot of celebs or artists will have radically different political views.
>>80954804
To be fair, Gervais called out SJWs too eatlier this year after they were 'offended' by his jokes. It's obvious PC stands for PayCheck to him.
>>80955675
You know I wish I had more than 70 followers. Just so I would have more people that agree with me no matter the shit I spew.
I'm actually jealous. I wonder what dangers this guy is kept safe from.
>>80953205
My friends (excluding only one of them) are totally blue pilled normies.
The way I cope with it is simple, we avoid talking about politics. However, there's this dumb slut who sometimes dares to open her mouth about politics, and then I go nuts every time. She's your typical leftie youth; rich parents and all that, absolutely no true vision of what's out there.
This happened a while back. We were eating lunch at Burger King, and talking about current events and so on. The conversation shifted towards the recent cop shootings in America, and my breathing got heavier. She started spouting her dumb leftie "you can get a gun so easily there!!!111!!" arguments. Then suddenly, I couldn't take it anymore. "ANONETTE." And then I went on a total red pill rampage squashing every single argument she had given to me while she watched in awe as I perfectly executed my performance of verbal arts.
After I ended my rant, she sat there quietly for about 10 seconds, then said "Well, I guess you're right"
>>80955720
But this guy wasn't mainstream.
>>80955739
I think they all are left, because in that way their opinions won't put their job at stake.
>>80955945
People shun one another because of political views. Which is ironic, because every one has the right to vote at their chosing.
I simply prefer not to talk about it if I can.
In the old days I really didn't give a single fuck, since our politics weren't even that divided and usually nothing big would come of it. These days though, I'm not eager to find out if friends of mine are #refugeeswelcome retards or other shit like that.
>>80956261
That would be the best thing to do. I wasn't even busy with politics at first but now it's all I think off. I refuse to talk about politics at parties, but same as :
>>80955945
I sometimes get ticked off. People make the dumbest remarks you could think off. I once knew a girl that stated men can't complain because we don't menstrate. Suffice to say I blew her out of the water.
>>80953205
I stop consuming their work. I subtly talk bad about them in places. I don't mention the real reason I hate them, but I will talk down their work.
>Anon, don't you like Louis C.K.?
>I used to, but it's all the same these days. There's only so much self-loathing I can laugh at
Of course, if they're open extremists, I call them out openly. Someone who says "kill all whites" is not someone I will be subtle about. Anyone who supports that sort of attitude has already defeated themselves in a debate. Society at large still thinks shit like that is unacceptable, so there's no reason to sugarcoat it, there.
>>80954576
>As if every person is a good person by default.
This is what I really hate about the SJW/BLM/SOA(Some Other Acronym) attitude. They are such stunning hypocrites that they will claim ALL white people are cunts, and then in the same breath assume every non-white person is some secret angel.
I'm just done with this fake belief in the goodness of non-white humanity. Fuck these people. Anyone with even minimal knowledge about the non-Western world knows the West is the most non-judgemental place to live. But you get these niggers and hippies going around pretending it's the absolute worst.
So leave! Go live in your non-Western utopia's! But oh no, everything bad that happens there is magically the fault of white, Western people, even though they are the #1 cause of preventing those places from backsliding into even worse chaos.
I'm tired of their excuses, their lies, their false superstitions. Their stiffnecked racism, and their manifest destiny belief in post-modernism.
>watch vlogger
>pretty cool dude into traveling the world
>does some epic cinematography work
>showcases landscapes and adventures more than just his face
>one day decides to go all "REFUGEES WELCOME" mode and berates white people
>discontinue watching his vlogs and unsubscribe
>fast forward a few months
>check out how he's doing
>completely sold out to the SJW and LGBTBBQ group
>sticks the camera on his face 90% of the vlog
>just gives his opinion on things that don't matter like every other SJW with stale humour
>whores himself out to companies for sponserships and paid trips
>vlog quality has gone to pure shit in general
>no regrets
I just don't even see these batshit crazy liberals as "people" anymore but rather as "them." Only vlogger I can't stop watching is Casey Neistat even though he's kiked to the max. His videos are pretty decent desu
>>80953205
I don't pay any mind to it. Only libcucks blow up a stink about someone elses political views.
>>80955945
Story sounds pretty cringy desu
I make a concerted effort not to let other people's religious or political views affect my liking of them, sometimes it's hard, but it's never impossible.
Have you ever gotten on really well with somebody, become close friends, hang out all the time, have a lot in common - and only after the friendship has developed come to realise that you have polar opposite political opinions? How meaningful can it possibly be if it made no difference early on?
People become absorbed in the sense of identity a set of political opinions give them, and when somebody comes along and challenges that, even just by stating a differing opinion, it is as though they are attacking your very person. The key here is obviously not forming an identity out of your beliefs, because they are not you, they are just thoughts. The 'you' is not affected by your thoughts or opinions or views - it is always there under the surface and it is the 'you' and the 'them' (the true nature of the two people - free of thought form) which made the relationship successful to start with. Liking or hating someone based on their opinions is superficial.
My views are aligned with those of /pol/, but my girlfriend is left-leaning, as are most of my friends and family. The only time where this has caused tension is when my sister (think stereotypical SJW) decided to disown me after she wasn't able to accept my political views. She became too involved in her opinions, forming a persona out of them, and lost sense of who she truly was. And it's not possible to have a proper relationship with someone if you don't know who the person actually is.
>>80955945
if that actually happened (it didnt) then it means she wants your dick
>>80956638
I didn't even mind before. I started to pay mind to it, when he called me out for the way I spoke about Black Lives Matter.
Which is a very unprofessional thing to do.
>>80956588
Strange how these things always go.
>>80956554
I'm glad we have a medium for ourselves in which we can discuss our own views on these things. Imagine walking around with these frustrations without being able to talk about it.
>>80956799
It often goes the other way around. People dislike me for my political views. I'm against race mixing and this pisses people off.
I don't trust the news on tv anymore. Which also pissed people off.
I have a tumblr, I know I know, but it always annoys me when aesthetic blog posts SJW shit. Like after the shooting in Texas, a blog I follow that is just random VHS stills posted a thing like "If you don't respect BLM then fucking unfollow me right now!"... Like dude until now you've been a silent and faceless repository of grainy pictures of 80s movies and commercials... Why the need to virtue signal like that?
>>80953205
My cousin (female) doesn't talk much about politics but when she does its usually copy-paste arguments you would find on Facebook.
Anyway, she says ''Apparently there's gonna be another referendum because millions of people signed a signature for it''. Obviously I explained why that was stupid and it was never gonna happen and she had a more scared face as I continued to explain democracy and later basic economics to her.
Never argue with a pack of liberals, they only strengthen each other and become increasingly stubborn with the attitude that is ''if there's more of us, we're right, checkmate!!!''
I have a friend who supports Bernie, I'm assuming he's #readyforreckless now. Besides me making fun of him for being a socialist and him making fun of me for being a libertarian, it never affected our friendship.
>>80957513
Yeah having another referendum isn't really democratic.
Right now I have another music artist that refrains to personal insults because he disagrees with me. I listened to his music and it was pretty good. So I said that, and that I'm not going to insult him because he disagrees. His response is yet to come.
>>80957536
That's great. He's a keeper.
>>80957506
I have a Tumblr too because I choose to be informed.
>>80956889
>Imagine walking around with these frustrations without being able to talk about it.
Thankfully I come from a right wing family. We don't see eye to eye on everything. Ironically, I'm probably the biggest lefty at home. I have some good friends who are typical emotional lefties. But they're good friends. It can be hard, but thankfully they're atypical lefties and non-coddled ones, at that. But the way they just care so much about their own opinions can be a bit... overwhelming. When I talk about politics, I like to stick to the facts. My biggest complaint about politics is that they're the art of emotion, whether left or right. So it's kind of hard when this guy really FEELS that Trump or Brexit are shit. I'm more like: Brexit already happened, so whether it's a good idea or not is moot. We need to talk about the consequences.
Saw one of these guys in discussion with a guy who makes zero efforts to hide his powerful. Interesting, but I think they were kind of talking past each other.
Honestly, sometimes I feel like I don't fit in anywhere. Some of my views correspond with the extreme right, some of them with the extreme left. But I feel more right than left, probably owing to my preference of the individual over the community. I've found /pol/ to be remarkably honest, and even cosmopolitan. I wonder if the left fears places like /pol/ or GeenStijl because they have essentially internalized key elements that the left tought unique to themselves, such as intellectualism and cosmopolitanism. They talk about world unity, but in the meantime GeenStijl is rubbing shoulders with Farage and Wilders is attending an LGBT party in the US. And we're hashing it out with people from all over the planet.
Meanwhile the fossilized left wing press does not even report on events that happen across the border within the Schengen zone.
>>80957097
As the system moves farther away from facts and demonizes positivism, it becomes harder to hold opposing viewpoints with even anecdotal evidence. Cliques will be formed according to viewpoints and if you don't hold those viewpoints, you will be shunned further affirming the viewpoints of those within the clique.
If you want to try and discuss something that would normally be a forbidden subject with another person, they must be alone so that the ideas will stand on their own merit rather than be drowned out by ten other people who tell them that these opposing viewpoints are wrong. Many times these people will not be able to argue with you and instead will shake their heads up and down as they rely entirely on the idea of being in the majority to keep their opinion.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap by only staying in circles that agree with us, however. Only by challenging your ideas with opposing viewpoints can they grow and develop.
>>80957536
Tell him an Internet person wants him to remember his philosophy is immoral and he should feel bad.
>>80957881
My parents are both far left. Just imagine the dinner conversations.
>>80957908
I do the same. I challenge other views and accept any kind of critisism.
>>80958108
>My parents are both far left. Just imagine the dinner conversations.
Haha, oh boy. Well, I did once suggest that traffic tickets should be yoked to a person's income. Normally a very left wing opinion, but it's influenced by my experience with rich friends bragging about their tickets, or driving consistently at 20 km/h above the speed limit because that's the limit where you can lose your license. If a system doesn't work, it should be adjusted. I'm also opposed to using traffic tickets as a sort of "income" for the state.
Anyway, parents reacted as if stung by a bee, and pulled out the retarded "but then all those welfare queens can speed FOR FREE".
Had a really tough discussion with my mom about the legality of lolicon, of all things, too. She brought it up, not me. I don't even know if support for liberal free speech is left or right, these days. Replace pictures of little girls with pictures of Muhammed, and you'll have the same conversation with your mother.
>>80958571
When I stated I was right winged they responded with shock. Imagine, a person that has been bullied and picked on for his entire life, left wing. Who are they kidding?
I'm in the thick of it.
>>80958783
Bullied for being white in a 90% immigrant school, I'm assuming?
>>80958908
No for having longer hair as a boy. In a small farm like village.
>>80959008
That'll teach me to assume shit.
>>80959421
Well there's that. fuck that village, though.
Ignore my flag, I'm a Dutchfag
In my family we are quite involved with migrants. I live in a very mixed city, do activities and even volunteer in integration programmes. I helped kids in school, my mother helped assimilate Turkish women. Many of my friends have Hindustani, Indonesian or Surinamer background.
And the funny part is that we all vote for Geert Wilders. Some green-left cucks in my uni have never left their all white village but sure do love to berate the little people who actually live in mixed communities.
>>80958571
Hilariously enough, I'd place support for liberal free speech on the conservative side these days when it comes to the more outspoken youth in academia. Not sure how it is over in the Netherlands, but the left over here is consistently pushing for "free speech zones" in the form of "Safe spaces". This implies that other areas have restricted forms of speech and that you are obligated to be watched when not inside of a safe space so that the wrong thing isn't said. I don't believe that these people are in the majority yet, but they do control the narrative at large and this will influence further generation to continue to fall down the same path. It doesn't help that the power structure within many places these days seems to always fall on the side of these outspoken individuals to avoid conflict rather than going through arbitration and discussion. It once again influences the narrative and causes people to shut their mouths, either causing people to become uncaring at best or radical at worst.
The idea of having freedom of speech and expression, at least in an academic setting, seems to be a return to the form of old rather than something pushed by those seeking radical change within society. Though we're not so far gone that the pendulum won't swing back. I fear though, that some will become so polarized from this radical swing that they will see society as fundamentally broken and believe the only way to change it is to destroy it.
>>80959702
> We all vote for Geert Wilders
Which party is he in?
model I fap to goes all WE WUZ, does that count?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BHkchhyj_LG/
>>80959811
Pvv natuurlijk
>>80959890
Okay just testing you.
>>80959840
Yes that counts.
>>80959702
Yeah, like I said, the left seems to be incredibly upset that the modern right is often more cosmopolitan than they are. And they seem to have trouble understanding that you can disagree with the immigration policy while also not hating everyone with dark skin.
People at work have been slowly revealing their conservative leanings to me. It helps that I work in banking... But its still liberal land NYC. It gives me great hope.
I was recently in Europe though and theyre beyond saving. Sorry bros.
>>80960226
It's okay. You're right.
Maybe I'll move to the USA when that BLM shit calms down.
>>80959795
Yeah, I too hope the right wing will not devolve into radicalism itself. You see some people be contrarian for being contrarian's sake.
>>80959993
>People from places like fucking Hoorn talking about the benefits of massive international migration.
>>80960513
I don't know. The left seems to defend radicalism a lot. I wonder what would happen if the right turns radical towards the left. Would they still do the same?
>>80960513
I believe this is the problem in Europe. Correct me if I am wrong but the last great wave of right wingism was the 80s... and that seemed pretty shitty in Europe.
In the US many people look fondly on the political atmosphere of the 80s (we beat the commies!, etc.), so it is easier for us to stick with the right-wing side without looking like we have some kind of nostalgia for the massive unemployment, integration of liberated soviet people and racial problems of 80s Europe. It seems impossible that a European millennial would have any fondness for the right wing in this case.
>>80954804
Gervais on the radio: We're all the same really; I mean, you could shave a monkey and send him off to work.
>>80953205
I don't really care about political views of someone.
>>80955573
Lemmy was an anarchist. He's the complete opposite of a commie. In fact, he called himself a libertarian, which means he was probably an ancap.
>>80955945
One thing I find interesting is that when I'm discussing things with Europeans on the internet, they always treat me like an idiot and say I just don't understand how, their countries work. Then they'll turn around and comment on America and make it out like just walking to get your mail is like a John Woo film or that all university campuses are ruled by Caligula.
>>80964569
Kek
>>80953205
>How do you respond when you see some one you respect deeply suddenly drift off to political views that contradict yours?
I either ignore it when they dont talk directly to me or I debate them when they talk about it with me
>>80964707
Me too. I just hope they are willing to debate instead of name calling like 90% of them do
>>80953910
bang voor je leven? Waarom zou je daar bang voor moeten zijn?
Je twittert toch wel min of meer anoniem of laat je je powerlevel openlijk zien?
>>80966412
Nee ik Twitter altijd onder een anonieme naam. Power level laat ik ook nooit zien, maak je geen zorgen vakantieganger.
>Like Cosmic Dead music
>Suddenly anti-fascist posts, anti-fascist music, songs blabla, so morally superior
>Unlike
>>80956799
>That ID
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>>80966465
Waarom vrees je dan voor je leven?
>>80953205
I have almost zero connection to the ambient culture. I assume most white people are weak and want to disappear or at least pretend they want to because that's the fashionable opinion to have.
>>80955678
>A revolution would be a great way to deal with shit like this.
Calm down. Right now the problem is that from an ideological point of view the right is completely defeated. The left may not have won every argument ever to appear under the sun over the last 60 years, but their worldview was, more or less, the one which always dominated. What's needed now is the unapologetic affirmation of another worldview, a worldview that says "I like my country as it is and I'll do everything that I can to keep it as it is."
We already know we'll get called a bunch of racist and xenophobe and so on. Whatever. The underlying thesis of multiculturalism (diversity = strength) is wrong, which they know at an implicit level, and so they're trying to use labels to cage us, so that we don't ever move beyond defending ourselves from these idiotic accusation which, frankly, at this point, we should simply ignore.
If wanting to preserve your people and your quality of life, if wanting to be able to chose the people with whom you'll share your society with and the terms on which you will do so is racist, then by God I'm a fucking racist. What's more, most of the world probably is, and most of humanity has been for the past 2000 years.
We want what we want. We have very good reason to do so. Those who want to bitch and moan about it can fuck off.
>>80966465
Geen vakanvtieganger maar emigrant sinds oktober, eerste weekend dat ik niet in Parijs was werd meteen de Bataclan afgeslacht :\
Maar goed, ik neem andermans politieke mening nooit persoonlijk (behalve van mijn broer die lid is van d666 maar goed van hem pik ik ook geen gezeik want die kneus weet nergens iets vanaf). Ook met artiesten die een politieke mening hebben gaat het niet per se om jou maar om hoe de wereld georganiseerd moet worden.
>>80971760
>Ook met artiesten die een politieke mening hebben gaat het niet per se om jou maar om hoe de wereld georganiseerd moet worden.
Die artiesten gaat het er meestal ook om dat ze met een veilige populaire mening meer klanten hebben.
