Where are you on the spectrum, /pol/?
>>80916451
>left wing
>anarchism
what ths shit, these political compasses are always very wonky, even the 2D where Social issues are on Yaxis and Economics are on the Xaxis is fucked
I'm not autistic, so not on the spectrum :^)
>>80916451
Where's nihilism?
>>80916666
witnessed
>>80916451
> Communism
> Freedom
> Anarchism
> Left Wing
> Nazism
> Right Wing
Yeah okay sure, that puts me somewhere around triangle on a scale from red to Z
>>80916451
>communism
>freedom
>>80916451
on /pol/? nazi
irl? conservative
>>80916451
>Communism is 'more free' than 'Conservatism'
>Anarchy is left wing now
This scale is retarded in so many ways
>>80916451
These are just so retarded, apparently the more left you become the more and more government you want until it all just falls off and there's none left as you become an anarchist.
>>80916451
>tfw america will never have freedom like the soviets did
>>80916451
>Communism
>Freedom
Yeah, right.
>>80916703
in fagville
The only one that matters, monarchism. Shit image though.
Monarchist....nothing more based than this.
>>80917451
>>80917484
>wanting a king cuck you out of everything
>>80916703
thats a philosophy, not a political ideology you fucking idiot.
>>80916451
>communism and socialism
>towards anarchy and freedom
Fuck you for baiting me so good.
>>80917636
>Being this pleb
>Not reading based Hoppe
>one axis
>anarchism left
>>80916666
Checked
>>80917636
>britbong
>not in favor of monarchsim
Paki detected.
>>80916584
Anarchism is a leftist ideology, before WW2 the term "anarchist" was synonymous with socialist movements. The first anarchists were mostly communists, communism being a stateless and classless society.
I think it's hard for a lot of Americans to understand since with confuse Stalinism with Communism and Anarcho-Capitalism with Anarchism.
"We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical." - Murray Rothbard in Faith and Freedom, the man who coined the term "Anarcho-Capitalism"
>socialist
>left
>national socialist
>right
#ImWithHitler
>>80916451
Communism is slavery and and anarchism is chimpout faggot
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/lynch-factory
>>80918320
this
>>80916451
>>80916451
Both extremes of the spectrum is slavery.
Anarchy eventually ends with the most powerful person bending the will of others, losing "freedom". People like you would become chattel.
>>80916451
Huh,
Where is meritocracy?
Meritocracy is superior to these substandard ideologies you have there
>>80916451
your chart is so fucking retarded
this is the accurate political spectrum
>>80916451
>Communism, on the freedom side
>left-right spectrum
>meaning anything
>>80916451
Centre-Left
The most logical political ideology and most successful.
Capitalism is my political ideology.
I'm not on your spectrum.
>>80918320
national socialism is very right though
>>80921483
>Communism next to fascism
>>80916451
? How is the left free? Seems to me Germany was doing pretty well under Hitler until they lost. How would society be if they won the war?
>>80916451
What is this garbage? Communism should be farthest left and Anarchy is farthest right. The monarchy is the only right wing one on the right side. It should be
Communism > Strasserism >Socialism > Monarchy> Anarchy
>>80916451
Multi Racialist Monoracialist
Left---------------------------------------right
>>80921742
>communism not next to fascism
youre bluepilled as fuck m8
>>80916451
sperg
>>80921724
No, it is not, Redditor. Margaret Thatcher, most American presidents and Edwardian/ Victorian England were far right.
>>80921955
All American presidents prior to 1865 were National Socialists.
>>80921483
>>80916451
>Nat Soc
>Slavery
pick one
>>80922070
What? NatSoc wouldn't have allowed for monopolies.
>Nazi's are "conservative"
>Nazi=National SOCIALIST party
>>80916451
I don't see team mystic on that list
>>80921760
Anarchy is the furthest right? What?
Anarchism is a leftist ideology, it began with communists and the term "anarchist" was synonymous with socialist movements (Anarchist Aragon).
Proudhon, Kropotkin, Déjacque
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_Marxism
I think Americans in general have a hard time understanding the relationship or history of these ideologies. That and confusing Stalinism or Maoism with communism. Communism as described by Marx or Trotsky is a stateless society. This is why the first anarchists were all communists, up until about 40 years ago when some American capitalist intellectuals reinvented the term.
"We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical." - Murray Rothbard in Faith and Freedom, founder of "Anarcho-Capitalism"
>>80922075
ok i pick slavery because that would be heaven compared to living under nat soc
>>80916451
Monarchism
>>80916584
>American education
>>80922741
Good news, you're already enslaved!
>>80916451
>>80922955
feels pretty free to me britcuck
>>80922877
>Monarchism
So you want to be british again? Don't be such a cuck m8
>>80923215
>cuck
Guess I should invite Communism, it's either Monarchy or Communism.
>>80916451
moderate
Why am I listening to histoically inferior people, of course Monarchy is the only option for the civilized person, the iceage barbarian has no king, no structure, no government or anything.
>>80916451
>Communism and socialism
>freedom
How does the government telling you how to use your resources freedom?
>>80923278
>it's either Monarchy or Communism.
Or you know... Conservatism wich rule the best era of America, Nazism wich rule the best era of Germany.
Monarchism is dead m8.
>>80922736
Marx's idea was that the people would control the government and that equality would be enforced. The stateless society would come afterward. I may have misused the term anarchy but I meant the type of society in which people like Jean Jacques Rousseau wanted to live where there were no laws and no goverenment. Whatever term you would use for Rousseau's ideas I would describe as the farthest right.
>>80923140
Oh stop being so dense, New Israel
>>80923476
>allowing people to be richer than you and have more power than you
Cuck
>>80916451
Where's autism?
>>80916451
Hitler didn't go far enough.
>>80923215
Better than what we have now. All the other proposed idealologies are shit.
>>80923278
Monarchists go in the ovens with the anarchists and the fascists.
>>80923658
That's some fucking lazy nigger logic you have there.
Mad because Bernie Sanders lost?
>>80916451
This spectrum is re-fucking-tarded.
>>80923722
No, conservatism rule during the best part of your country... Back in the day when America have real power over the rest of the world and it was feared.
>>80916451
somewhere between monarchism and fascism
>>80923658
>being a weak willed waste who can only survive on handouts
>>80916451
mildly autistic
>>80923773
You have a problem with Kings having more power than you yet you have no problem with billionaires having more power than you.
>>80923773
Stupid nigger.
>>80916451
This image is dogshit
>>80923873
Wrong. Our first hundred year, the best years, were liberal. All our founding fathers for liberals. But of course the government got bigger and bigger and more and more corrupt, showing that a liberal society can never work and ancap is the only real next step. But, of course, anarchocapitalism is an absolutely terrible idea.
>>80923493
I think you're confusing Rousseau with someone else, Rousseau was a major influence on the socialist movement.
“The first person who, having enclosed a plot of land, took it into his head to say this is mine and found people simple enough to believe him was the true founder of civil society. What crimes, wars, murders, what miseries and horrors would the human race have been spared, had some one pulled up the stakes or filled in the ditch and cried out to his fellow men: "Do not listen to this imposter. You are lost if you forget that the fruits of the earth belong to all and the earth to no one!” - Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>80916451
I'd say liberalism makes you more of a slave than conservatism because you have to conform to every singe person's feelings, wants, pronouns, etc.
>>80924206
Liberalism back on thoses days were very different. I bet my ass that any founding fathers of any country would be conservative today.
>>80923943
My problem with Monarchism isn't 'Kings having more power' than me.
If we wore in the 1800 I rule for Monarchism but that's a dead system.
The fact that you automatically think about other people having more than you and you feel shit about it, that alone prove to me how much of a nigger logic you have, not matter you race.
>>80924222
Government = Evolution
no government = animal
>>80916451
I was was Leftist, now I find myself more Centered due to this whole year so far.
>>80924314
There is no need to explain to a nigger why Monarchy is superior and important.
>>80924314
What are you talking about? Liberalism is the same now as it was then. If our founding fathers were to run as president today, it would be under the LP, not the shitshow that is the GOP.
>>80924363
This. I'm tired of the bullshit.
theyre all shit
>>80916451
>nazism
>right-wing
pick one
>>80924473
The founders didn't have any parties.
>>80924625
You had someone with policies and you cast your vote in, no parties so a 1party state.
>>80924625
>were to run as president today
>>80922736
left = more government
right = less government
you are literally retarded to the point you don't understand the ground level of what left vs right is if you think anarchy is left wing ideology
>>80924008
not an argument
>>80924473
Well I don't know about your founding fathers (I know mine weren't liberals) but from what I heard they weren't very pro-niggers. The civil war use slavery as a meme so I don't see how thoses people could be liberals. Again, I'm not american so I may be wrong.
>>80916451
>socialism
>communism
>"""""freedom"""""
>be me
>be not white
>be NatSoc.
>be proud
You mad?
>>80924736
Quality education there, Clapistani.
Would you like to tell the class the political factions involved in the French Revolution, and which wing they were affiliated with?
>>80924972
National Socialism teach you to be proud about who you are and your culture and don't try to destroy other people culture by immigration.
So in theory even blacks can be National Socialist... Wich is very different to be Hitlerian I guess, since he did introduce a more 'white pride' idea.
>>80924862
Our founding fathers were against slavery, they just knew there was more important issues to take care of first. Our country as a whole was never pro slavery, only about 2 percent had slaves and the first slave owner was black. The civil war was completely about taxation, and the union said they would let them keep their slaves to end the war but the confederates denied. America, as corrupt and big government as it is now, has always been more liberal than the rest of the world.
>>80916451
The right fundamentally believes in inequality and that some people are inherently better than others, thus deserve the reward for their effort. Anarchism, Conservatism, Monarchism and aspects of Nazism believes this.
The left fundamentally believes in equality and all people deserve a chance in life and people are ultimately the same. Liberalism, Communism and aspects of Nazism believes this.
It's very difficult to actually pin things down on a spectrum, but basically, if the ideology prefers inequality or equality philosophically, then it's probably either on the left or right. Anarchism is right wing because you have to work hard to survive, and some people get more for working hard.
I'm not entirely sure where Nazism or Fascism sits on this. They're ultimately quite Conservative philosophically and believe some people are better than others, but they also believe in collectivism, social justice and Socialist tendencies economically and politically. They're probably in the middle, but leaning right.
So who knows.
>>80925217
Goebbels is usually my go to for the whole white pride idea. He circulated NaziSozi to everyone which had tons of antisemitic doctrine as opposed to the 25 points of Hitlers Nazi Party which have none.
I'm Native American and we showed that NatSoc. works before Hitler founded the National Workers Party of Germany.
>tribes lived different lifestyles but were all the same
>tribes warred but no extermination of whole tribes by another
>tribes bartered to help each other and get supplies
>tribes had a healthy sense of individual identity with a firm acceptance of the whole of the nation
White man doesn't give us credit where credit is due but they'll teach our story when we're long gone and they feel bad about our extinction.
>>80924222
Yes. Rousseau was opposed to Capitalists but his plan for opposing them was for everyone to live individually. He thought everyone had a right to whatever he could fight and protect instead of forced equality. I see that as Right Wing. I think Rousseau is more similar to modern day Libertarians.
>>80924736
>anarchy
>more government
hello? that's nothing at all what left or right means
left is one for all, right is all for one
>>80925407
Well, then you should give it a try to conservatism.
I know my country was great until Peron (The big liberal father here). In fact the only good government and non-corrupted here were Conservatist.
The Republican party is conservative and they look pretty decent.
>>80916584
Only Amerifats think anarchism isn't left wing. Look up Catalonia in 1936
>>80916451
Monarchism
>>80925971
We've have conservatives. They were shit.
We have conservative candidates every 4 years. They are always shit.
ayy
>>80916451
fascism is to my left
>same old datamining bait thread
s&h slide threads.
>>>/pol/cfg
>>>/pol/cfg
>>>/pol/cfg
>>80916911
>>80917032
>>80917206
>>80917773
>>80917976
>>80921760
None of you should be speaking politically until you pick up a book on anarchy.
Holy shit you are all retarded. Anarchy is a left wing ideology. It always has been. Left=more equal
Right=more hierarchy
Anarchy is a complete lack of formal authority, while there are several different interpretations of this most include consensus within a voluntary community.
Tbh there's a spectrum within most ideologies. There's left and right communism (Stalin vs Trotsky)
Left and right anarchy (Nestor Menkho vs. Autistic Fedora vape)
Liberalism: GOP est vs DNC est
Populism: Bernie vs Trump
Fascism: SA vs SS
There's also a lot of fucking overlap. Saying all anarchy is right wing is very ignorant though. You folks should seriously do some reading.
this is fucked, communism and anarchism are right next to each other? anarchism left wing? left wing = freedom? how
>>80916451
its a circle you realize that right?
>>80926745
anarchy, by definition, can not be either left or right
>>80916451
>communism is freedom
>fascism is slavery
>National Socialism is opposite of Socialism
These political spectrums always crack me up.
>>80925880
somehow you managed to completely miss the point even though I spelled it out at a kindergarten level
>>80925009
>look here I'm 10th grade history class right now and I know what I'm talking about okay
>>80926745
I always took Left wing to mean equality forced by the government (Stalin, Strasser). In an anarchy wouldn't you be able to naturally create class. If someone has a lot of goods that people want and the people work for him then what are you going to do to force equality? There's no authority so the people could do as they want.
>>80927001
neither of your posts seem to have a point
checkmate, atheist
>>80916451
>Anarchism
>Left wing
into the trash
>>80924473
>If our founding fathers were to run as president today, it would be under the LP
Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
> provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. It thus excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and Asians.
>>80926745
Anarchy is the ultimate hierarchy, there is not even equality of opportunity
>>80926950
Yes it can depending on the introduction of what replaces the state. Anarchy is not chaos in most ideologies. For example in anarcho- syndicalism it is replaced with worker organizations. That is very much different from what a much lady ancap would propose. It's nuanced and honestly never going to happen in our lifetimes but there is definitely a political spectrum within anarchy and as far as I know all political ideology.
>>80924473
>Liberalism is the same now as it was then
Oh fucking wow, literally 10/10.
Eh
>>80927060
You're arguing from a pov not found in political science but as an American i can see where you got that idea.
Left does not always equal more or less authority. Left is a rejection of hierarchy. There are bias opinions people place on the right left idea but really it stems from some pissed off french dudes in a tennis court iirc.
Certainly no one would can the cnt/fai right wing, and they were very much about freedom.
>>80927201
Liberals did not believe in open borders, and one can view whites as better and still be a liberal. It's the hardcore libertarians and ancaps that take such a stance against nationalism, pride in your race and borders.
>>80927322
Anarchy is zero hierarchy. It is literally communism without government enforcing it.
>>80927400
How is it not? Liberal still means the same. You are either a liberal or you're not.
>>80924736
Historically it is the exact opposite.
Your perception is a very recent invention, specific to US politics and only since the 1980s. I don't expect you to understand any of this however, someone who views politics as static "less government vs more government" clearly doesn't know much about political philosophy
Here is a quick lesson for you:
The terms "left-wing and right-wing" originally referred to division in the French Parliament where the those who opposed the authoritarian monarchy sat on the left and the aristocrats who supported noble rule sat on the right. The left-wing are those who influenced the French Revolution.
Popular left-wing ideologues at the time included French political philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau who said "You are lost if you forget that the fruits of the earth belong to all and the earth to no one!”.
Rousseau and other classical liberals influenced a range of ideologies, including socialism and anarchism.
Proudhon, the first person to describe themselves as an anarchist, expanded on Rousseau's ideas and that of many left-wing French Revolutionaries when he wrote that "Property is Theft!" in 1840
Eight years later, Karl Marx, who was in correspondence with Proudhon, wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848. Communism is described as a stateless society, an implementation of natural pre-statist human behavior in society with communal concepts of ownership (tribal communal living).
Nine years after that, Joseph Déjacque, a French anarcho-communist, coined the term "libertarian" in 1857 to refer to his movement. This term, along with "anarchist" was used synonymously to refer to socialist revolutionaries up until Murray Rothbard reinvented both of them to label his relatively new movement in the US.
"We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical." - Murray Rothbard in Faith and Freedom
>>80927748
>Anarchy is zero hierarchy. It is literally communism without government enforcing it.
And you're an idiot.
>>80927737
Yes, but if equality isn't forced by the government then a hierarchy naturally results. And yes, I'm aware of this idea being derived from Danton and Robespierre, etc.
>>80927322
That's a personal interpretation.
Many anarchists want local general assemblies to make decisions for the whole through consensus. If everyone can accommodate and compromise then there's no need for coertion. Personally i don't think we're anywhere close to that as a society.
If you ask must anarchists who aren't 16 and smoking weed they will tell you that anarchy does not equal chaos .
>>80916451
Anarchism is not left wing and not right wing.
You need to add a vertical line of government size (= tax rate). Anarchism is zero of the size.
>>80927514
Whats the bottom right thing
Send link
>>80927881
>American education
>>80916451
>Where are you on the spectrum, /pol/?
>>80916451
>socialism
>communism
>freedom
Hahaha
Nazi
>>80928016
that's not anarchy dumbo
>>80927748
That doesn't refute my point though. You claimed the founders would run under the LP today, assuming the current state in which we are in remains the same in your scenario, i very much doubt the people who nominated fucking Cuck Johnson would give a platform to a bunch of uncucked racially conscious protectionists. If anything they'd be closer to the Constitution Party and i even still believe that's a stretch.
>>80927936
You're placing personal opinion onto an ideology.
The ideology is left wing. You can argue whatever you like about it's merits or results but you can't change facts.
Fuck, do they teach poli sci in burgertown?
>>80927870
This guy gets it. I'm going to bed. Read that.
>>80928219
You don't get too make fun of leafs anymore.
>>80922741
are you a fucking retard? do you not know hitler won the election by 33%? or that Austria welcomed the nazi occupation with open arms? natsoc was awesome before the war and the persecution of jews (a little of it was deserved tho)
>>80928078
Yes, yours seems to be lacking.
>>80928238
No one wanted Gary Johnson, everyone wanted either McAfee or Peterson. Both of them polled higher than Johnson, and a lot were upset that Johnson won. Johnson only won because the delegates picked him, as the LP doesn't have a big primary like the dems and repubs. The libertarian base actually agrees with what the founding fathers believed, for the most part. So yes, in my opinion, the founding fathers would run under the LP.
>>80916703
In the garbage
>>80927748
>Anarchy is zero hierarchy.
Yes, Anarchy will somehow eliminate social hierarchy.
>>80927870
>Historically it is the exact opposite.
But then you go on to give an example of MORE government (socialism, communism).
What gives?
>fascism further right than monarchism
>anarchism right next to communism
>political scale with one axis
0/10
>>80916451
Wow more freedom in communism and socialism than conservatism and monarchism? lol
>>80928317
How is that my personal opinion? So you expect me to believe if there was no authority that every 7 billion people on Earth would be equal and noone would use what commodities they have to force people to work under them or to control them? Rousseau in "On the Origin of Inequality" thought that society created inequality but that some forms of inequality were innate.
>>80927870
In the US there were also the Individualists. I always liked those guys. They are the anarchists that show you don't have to be a fucking socialist hippy to think government is bad.
>>80929068
Yeah. That line of thought originated with Max Stirner and spooks.
>>80916451
Anarchism isn't Left-wing and Fascism and National Socialism aren't Right-wing.
This looks like it was made by a high schooler with about as much insight into the political "spectrum" as a wet fart.
>>80928868
>What gives?
No, I gave examples of less government.
Communism is a stateless society, read my comment again.
>Eight years later, Karl Marx, who was in correspondence with Proudhon, wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848. Communism is described as a stateless society, an implementation of natural pre-statist human behavior in society with communal concepts of ownership (tribal communal living).
A lot of Americans have a hard time understanding this, because Americans were taught that Stalinism or Maoism is communism.
>>80928868
socialism and communism is not "more government" than a monarchy, which is what the left was arguing against
>>80928868
He said Marx, not Stalin. When it comes to freedom and oppression, names mean little. Slavery isn't always called slavery, and communists do totally different things under the same name, too. Marx was not about big governments.
>>80929272
>Communism is a stateless society
l-mao.
>A lot of Americans have a hard time understanding this, because Americans were taught that Stalinism or Maoism is communism.
Which is really unnecessary, considering that Marxism is just as vile a creature as Stalinism and Maoism.
>>80929281
Relative to our current systems, it is, though. That's the rub.
>>80928586
>everyone wanted either McAfee
Just as bad if not worse desu.
“When I first joined the Libertarian party, two things stood out very starkly. One, 75% of you are men. Number two, 99.8% of you are white. Shame on you.” - McCuckee.
I guess the days of people like Ron Paul running on the LP are over. ABANDON SHIP!!!
>>80916451
this is the most retarded "spectrum" ive ever seen
>>80929422
See here:
>>80929496
Even Marx admitted that some excess value needed to be stolen to fund fruitless labor like education. Why not take that to its logical conclusion and simply allow people to own private property?
It's a shame he didn't die before he vomited his seminal work on the world.
>>80929496
Spoken like someone that's never actually read Marx
>>80929731
I read the manifesto and capital. The latter was probably the most dry work I've ever had the misfortune of reading in my entire life.
I really wish someone had killed the bastard, because it would have saved innumerable lives. Not only that, but it would have prevented the boundless indoctrination that continues to trick college students into thinking it's a worthwhile idea.
>>80919769
You just gonna let it happen aussie?
Or do you wanna do something about it?
>>80916451
>muh true communism/socialism™
He's the objectively true spectrum.
Except Nazism is left, anarchy is as far right as it can get, complete survival of the fittest is what it would turn into, not that communist lite crap that hippy anarchos always claim will happen.
>>80930181
Thank you for posting the corrected scale. I was looking for the image.
>>80916451
>posting a linear political spectrum
good goy, look at ideologies the way we want you to
>>80916451
Shit image. You should feel bad.
Left wing= more government, more authoritarian, more control.
Right wing= less government, more freedom, liberty.
Anarchy is the extreme right wing, and communism is the left. Fascism defies all political compasses. Nazism was based on fascism, it's not its own political point in the political compass.
>>80929422
>Marx was not about big governments.
Except that "big governments" don't really get much bigger than seizing businesses from individuals (that risked their own capital and financial security) to found enterprises that produce real value for society (if they didn't create value, why seize them?).
Unless there's some interpretation of Marx that I'm unfamiliar with which doesn't involve seizing "the means of production" (private enterprise, founded and risked and built by individuals), he's the quintessential advocate for big government.
>>80916451
communism is the same with monarchism in that if you have a generally good leader things will be better than any of the others but if you don't they will be so much worse
>>80916451
oh look, this fallacy again.
There is not one tyranny one end of the scale and tyranny on the other. You have freedom at the one end and tyranny as the other extreme. Whether this tyranny is fascism or communism is not the decisive issue.
1:23:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTbvoiTJKIs
>>80916451
>>80916451
Freedom and slavery should be on opposite sides.
>>80931061
The worst part is that Marx ""recognized"" capitalism as a natural stepping stone towards socialism. That is to say, without capitalism, none of the lovely things we enjoy today would exist. Of course, the posited 'late stage capitalism' is never coming because it's a total crock of shit. Capitalism will be here forever. The supposed segue is never going to happen.
>>80922518
>liberals are the real nazis!
>>80931636
Nazism was created to be far left wing. He's right.
>>80930181
>>80929496
>unaware of what communism is
Communism is a stateless and classless society.
That is how it is described and defined by Marx himself as well as other any other communist at the time. It was a sort of utopian ideal, influenced in part by the French Revolution and by popular sentiment as a backlash to the Industrial Revolution. A romanticization of tribal communal living.
To be clear, I'm personally not a fan of communism, Marxism or Stalinism et al. The former being unrealistic in modern society and the latter I am morally opposed to. However, I do think it is important to understand political philosophies and it's clear your attitude is an incognizant mix of the lasting effect of Cold War era propaganda as well as failings of American public education.
What you perceive as "communism" (Stalinism) was proposed as a transition period. The idea of how to implement communism divided many of it's proponents into different camps.
Lenin believed that the state and system of capital could only be defeated by consolidating power into a regime of the proletariat, that this regime would then take the necessary steps to decentralize power and whither the state away to transition into communism. This became known as Leninism, which eventually gave way to Stalinism. As we know, once power was consolidated there was no transition and no steps taken to achieve the original goal of stateless society.
Other communists maintained that consolidating power as a transition period would be counterproductive to the goal of achieving stateless society. Trotsky, for example, opposed this transition period of consolidating power and instead proposed that socialist revolution by the people to defeat the state was the only way to implement communism.
There are historical instances of the latter happening in Anarchist Aragon and Revolutionary Catalonia, though they were eventually conquered by fascists and Franco's army.
>>80928120
>tfw everything is to his right and his left is facing the wall
>>80916451
stupid post
>>80932716
This nigger knows
>>80916703
anarchism
>>80932716
>Communism is a stateless and classless society.
What it was theorized to be by a never-worked slob of a man, and what the real-life implications were, are two completely separate topics.
>it's clear your attitude is an incognizant mix of the lasting effect of Cold War era propaganda as well as failings of American public education.
I don't pay mind to fantasies, so utopian ""ideologies"" don't show up on my radar except as points of humor.
It's got more to do with being an adult than it has to do with bygone propaganda.
>There are historical instances of the latter happening in Anarchist Aragon and Revolutionary Catalonia, though they were eventually conquered by fascists and Franco's army.
It's a good thing they were conquered so quickly, too. Things devolve into utter chaos when both communists and socialists are left to their own devices for too long a time.
Of course, when things DO go wrong, it's easy to say 'state capitalism' and sweep it all under the rug. Then you can propose your radically new version of True Socialism™ and everything will be peachy.
Honest to God, if I had a time machine, the first thing I would do is kill Marx.
Where can i take this test?
And, to be clear, I did read Capital. I could hardly imagine a more sterile book.
>>80923476
>Monarchism is dead mate
Except it's well alive in North Korea and America.
>>80928120
What a load of pretentious, fallacious stormfaggotry.
>>80930402
>corrected
Did you have to take autism-enhancing medication before coming up with that image?
