>this triggers the stormfag Nordicist
>Italians
>white
You are the Mexico of Europe.
>>80913132
>wanting to be white
>wanting to be an effeminate cuck
>>80913400
>>80913249
Your flag looks Mexican too.
>>80913429
At least Mexico has actual culture unlike Amerilardia.
>>80913865
This entire site is American culture.
Go back to ItalyChan. Oh wait, there isn't one.
>>80914012
Nice try, but it's Japanese, faggot. It's a direct ripoff of a Jap site and it has a Japanese owner.
>>80914259
>it's Japanese
You're thinking of 2ch. 4chan is purely American. That's just how culture works.
Much like how you filthy Italians stole from the Greeks.
>>80914435
It doesn't have anything to do with "American culture" because:
1) It's based on a Japanese imageboard
2) It was created to talk about Japanese culture mostly
3) It's current owner is Japanese
That's like saying hamburger is American just because popularized it.
ITT: shitskin shows how insecure he is
If you must reply don't forget to sage.
>>80915245
Were Romans and superior to Germanic barbarians.
>>80915287
The only insecurity I see here is from a snownigger descendant incapable of accepting his inferior and therefore resorts to spouting pseudo-scientific crap about Romans and Greeks being Nordic.
>>80913132
>amerishits
>human
>>80915583
Argentina is the least white country on the planet.
>>80915583
dont your people eat eachother
>>80915504
Actually I didn't say anything about Romans, Greeks, or Scandinavians. Just said you're insecure, which you clearly are. Stay mad fag. :^)
>>80915504
italian is literally the poor man's latin. you brown mexican looking niggers just took what the romans did. i'd rather have a nigger president than a sausage jockey desu
>>80915754
>>80916266
>>80916609
>italian is literally the poor man's latin. you brown mexican looking niggers just took what the romans did
But we aren't any different from them genetically. How did we take anything from ourselves?
>>80916651
>illiterate monkey
>>80913069
Nordicism is a meme.
The differences between Caucasians are negligible.
The only real matter is how much negroid, mongoloid, or Australoid is mixed in.
>>80915583
>had bridge technology for decades
>never made a bridge Itaily and Sicily
>>80916900
different culture. it'd be like saying dark age saxons are danish guys. they're not, it's an entirely different fucking species at that point.
>>80916900
plus the fucking italians came in after the lombards did you fucking heathen.
italians are the WE WUZ KANGS of europe
2000 years ago, le biggest empire, current day, practically broke, only known for pizza and mafia
filled with fortune tellers and kebab
>>80913069
>triggers stormfag Nordicists
Ok uncle Giancarlo, stop drinking so much before dinner pls.
>>80913069
Why haven't italians been able to accomplish anything other than saving niggers from boats over the last 300yrs?
>>80917371
t. snownigger cuck
>>80917931
>mfw
>>80913069
He's right you know.
And to think it only took a few centuries of slaughter for us to settle down. But seriously, this is the only think that gives me any hope regarding africa/south america
To be fair. In this era the land was extremely unforgiving and cold. There was even a little ice age. People of the North's number 1 enemy was the elements and winter and everything that goes with that lifestyle. Preserving food, having supplies to survive winter. Infact they invented an entire way of survival and culture around winter. You had to ve a minimalist in this type of land. Then youhad the warring tribes and the invading armies. It wasn't an easy path for Northern people.
I also wouldnt be so quick to insult them. Rome was sacked by Gauls and Germanics. Italy was also conquered and ruled over by Charlemagne a Northerner. The Normans also came through your lands.
Btw...Italians are not Romans or descendants of Romans. During the Roman reign many of the civilization were immigrants, and slaves.
>>80919123
To be fair, you should kill yourself.
Celt here.
Come at me.
>Plastic paddy doesn't count.
>>80919123
Where did I heard this argument from before? Oh yes, for niggers. There's even a whole book about it called "guns, germs and steel". Germanics were the cause of the dark ages and they were vastly inferior to the Byzantines and to the Italian city-states despite having more than enough time to learn how to be civilized from Roman influence. Their success in the modern age is just a short period of glory that's going to be over very soon due to them being self-hating cucks.
>>80913069
The Africans that Julian was was referring to was probably Egypt and Carthage you dip.
>>80920745
I know that, retard. And it's proof that the claim that the Romans were biased when describing the Celts and Germanics as shit eating savages because they wanted to dehumanize the people they conquered is bullshit, because they didn't have the same views about Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Carthaginians, etc. I know it's hard to accept that snowniggers were inferior barbarians, but it's 100% truth.
ITT: Divide and Conquer
But still, it's really fun to see these threads, mainly because of the inferiority complex.
>>80921170
So Italian masterrace?
>tfw half-Italian
>Whore of a mother took a German man to be my father
>I will never be a full blooded Roman
>>80920389
The argument of "influence" can be applied to every early civilization.
>>80913069
The author makes frequent glibs my putting modern words like French and German into ancient Roman mouths. Most of the time, this is of little consequence because all they are looking for is evidence of regional stereotyping. But the author really missteps when they try to make an utter contrast between Roman and modern racial stereotyping: when Romans referenced Africans, they meant North Africans, e.g. Carthage, Aegyptus, not sub-saharan Negroids which were deemed inferior in the age of discovery.
Once you reject this conclusion, the rest of the evidence is fairly weak. Vitruvius does not make a claim to racial superiority, but believes that people are dumber when they grow up or live in cold climates. Julian almost certainly believed the Germani were brutal, but as the author notes himself, that's in the context of violent confrontation between Germani raiders and the Roman state. Regarding the lack of civilizational achievement of Germanic and Nordic people, it would have been even more blatantly obvious in Roman times to see that civilization-- civil as in city-- grew up around the Mediterranean with sea trading and agriculture.
If you have any understanding of Roman history, and I hope you do, you'd know that the Romans were cultural supremacists, and were not racial supremacists. Grasping at straws to reconstruct a Roman concept of racism is pretty fucking dumb; they didn't have the knowledge of genetics or inheritance to think in those terms.
I'd like to know a bit more about the context Julian was speaking in, and how well his thoughts represented a typical Roman. If you consider that he was a Christian converted Pagan, it wouldn't be surprising to find he was say, engaging in polemics with Christians over the origin of man. As the author explains, racial disparity would fit in quite well with the Platonist view on this. But it would make this an academic argument which plenty of people disagreed with it.
>>80921994
Why did it take so long for the Germanics to stop being niggers though? They were still the same barbarian snowdindus in the middle ages while Italo-Byzantinian culture flourished. The Byzantine Empire and the Italian city-states were the most developed, richest, most cultured and most accomplished regions of Europe at the time.
Reminder that Britain is the true successor to the Roman empire.
Is this Italian nigger seriously trying to claim the achievements of the Romans as his own, and using spurious genetic studies to say, "look, we're the same!"
Toppest kek.
If you were the same as the Romans, you'd been as accomplished as the Romans. Instead, you're an economically pathetic bunch of lazy niggers. The people who built the Roman Republic didn't behave like the modern day Italian, lazy and pathetic, he was noble and industrious.
How can you claim those accomplishments when you cannot match them? Sad!
Aww poor Italy, I guess your mama didn't want to fuck you and feed you spaghetti tonight.
>>80921776
>implying the niggers of Italy are descendants from the Romans
They're half-breeds, the result of rape from Muslims and Mongols.
Read the next paragraph.
>>80923137
Easy, you Anglo nigger. There was this thing called "Italian-city states" and the Byzantine Empire which was the real continuation of the Roman Empire unlike the HRE which was a Frankenstein abomination of snowniggers with next to zero cultural achievement. Read up on history sometime. We are the true descendants of the Romans because there was a strong continuity in our achievements.
>>80923438
Already proven wrong here: >>80915504
>ITALIAN MASTER RACE
>conquered by barbarians
Bravo
>>80923587
>White master race
>conquered by muslims
>>80923523
>failed to address the fact that you're a lazy bunch of impoverished niggers
>still living in the past because your present and future are so pathetic
WEW
To clarify further, even if Italians were descended from the Romans, the nobility in Rome were the minority. The majority of Romans were peasants. You're literally acting like a nigger right this very second with WE WUZ CAESAR N SHIEEEEEEET. Kill yourself, you swarthy moor cunt.
>>80915504
All of them look fucking Arabic as fuck, are you serious? Just look at the noses and hair texture. Your picture proves absolutely nothing except how desperate you are to fit reality to your worldview. A sample of 400 people is hardly enough to prove anything substantial, especially when accounting for events that occurred 1,600 years ago. Go ahead call me a nigger for being American, I'm blonde haired and green eyed and can trace all of my family members back to glorious Northern Europe
>>80923784
>conquered by muslims
u wot m8? last I checked our kill count vastly outnumbers theirs by the millions
>>80923462
what is it?
>>80923808
>failed to address the fact that you're a lazy
bunch of impoverished niggers
The only place that could be called poor is the south. North and central Italy has the same level of development as most of western Europe.
>still living in the past because your present and future are so pathetic
I'd say it's better than yours.
>To clarify further, even if Italians were descended from the Romans, the nobility in Rome were the minority. The majority of Romans were peasants.
A Roman peasant is worth a snownigger noble.
>>80924012
MYCAENAENS ARE MASTER RACE, ALL OTHERS WILL BE PUT TO THE AXE AND SWORD
>>80922051
I feel bad that I didn't write this
>>80924624
I posted the wrong image.
>>80924134
I realise that being American, reading is a pain for you. Actually read the text it says. I was already aware of this from my own reading but Italy is much the same genetically as it always was even prior to Rome becoming an Empire. The South of Italy has a lot of ancestry from the earliest Punic settlements. The East of Italy has a lot of ancestry from the earliest Greek settlers. The only place that changed somewhat is the North of Italy because a lot of Celts and Germanics settled there in the later years of the Roman Empire. Nordicism is the most autistic bullshit I have ever fucking heard of.
>>80922051
Also OP will not address this.
>>80924134
Get ready to be BTFO even further, deluded snownigger faggot. I don't usually post this entire knowledge bomb since that image alone should be enough, but you earned it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy#Autosomal
>A 2013 study by Peristera Paschou et al. confirms that the Mediterranean Sea has acted as a strong barrier to gene flow through geographic isolation following initial settlements. Samples from (Northern) Italy, Tuscany, Sicily and Sardinia are closest to other Southern Europeans from Iberia, the Balkans and Greece, who are in turn closest to the Neolithic migrants that spread farming throughout Europe, represented here by the Cappadocian sample from Anatolia. But there hasn't been any significant admixture from the Middle East or North Africa into Italy and the rest of Southern Europe since then.
>Ancient DNA analysis reveals that Ötzi the Iceman clusters with modern Southern Europeans and closest to Italians (the orange "Europe S" dots in the plots below), especially those from the island of Sardinia. Other Italians pull away toward Southeastern and Central Europe consistent with geography and some post-Neolithic gene flow from those areas (e.g. Italics, Greeks, Etruscans, Celts), but despite that and centuries of history, they're still very similar to their prehistoric ancestor
You do realize that the "the Romans" represented less than 1% of the population in Italy right, with the majority of the remainder being Roman slaves.
Do you realize that most modern day Italians are descendants of slaves of the Romans rather than Romans themselves?
Do you also realize that the petty military aristocracy, eventually ruling all of Italy, were essentially Northern European looking?
An astonishing percentage of Roman emperors were blonde and blue-eyed. Most Roman goods were blonde. Most Roman art depicts blonde people. Pic related
let me guess, you are pretty much a shitskin, and you've been struggling with an inferiority complex lately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome#Demography
>Roman slavery was not based on race.[40][41] Slaves were drawn from all over Europe and the Mediterranean, including Gaul, Hispania, Germany, Britannia, the Balkans, Greece etc. Generally slaves in Italy were indigenous Italians,[42] with a minority of foreigners (including both slaves and freedmen) born outside of Italy estimated at 5% of the total in the capital, where their number was largest, at its peak. Those from outside of Europe were predominantly of Greek descent, while the Jewish ones never fully assimilated into Roman society, remaining an identifiable minority. The slaves (especially the foreigners) had higher mortality rates and lower birth rates than natives, and were sometimes even subjected to mass expulsions.[43] The average recorded age at death for the slaves of the city of Rome was extraordinarily low: seventeen and a half years (17.2 for males; 17.9 for females).
>The overall impact of slavery on the Italian genetics was insignificant though, because the slaves imported in Italy were native Europeans, and very few if any of them had extra European origin. This has been further confirmed by recent biochemical analysis of 166 skeletons from three non-elite imperial-era cemeteries in the vicinity of Rome (where the bulk of the slaves lived), which shows that only 1 individual definitely came from outside of Europe (North Africa), and another 2 possibly did, but results are inconclusive. In the rest of the Italian peninsula, the amount of non European slaves was definitively much lower than that.
No evidence for recent sandnigger ancestry in Italy in the last 2500 years: http://italicroots.lefora.com/topic/560/evidence-recent-West-Asian-ancestry-Italians-last-2500-y
>>80924978
He's right somewhat. Romans didn't understand Race in the way that pol does. But the reference to French and Germans is clearly just substituted to the peoples he was talking about.
>>80925209
ayy lmao: >>80925261
>>80924624
>>80924772
Let's compare our present and future and see if the worth of our peoples shines through.
My country just voted to leave the European Union, a corrupt, anti-democratic body, and one of the reasons it voted to leave is because as part of that union it was bankrolling lazier, less productive nations like yours. Your piece of shit country is dependent on the EU for handouts because you're too incompetent and lazy to fend for yourselves.
Where's your Roman nobility? Where's your worth? Your country and your people are pathetic.
Again, kill yourself, you swarthy, moor cunt. You've nothing to be proud of.
>>80925209
holy fuck I hate stormfags. what a fucking retarded comment
>>80925261
>>80925145
BASED ITALIA
>>80925386
The source for these bullshit claims he made are literally from nazi propaganda books.
>>80925313
>failed to understand the poster's point
You can live in your little bubble of grandiosity if you want, where all Italians are descended from Cato or some shit, but we in this thread can see how retarded you are, and we can recognise in your stupidity the low mental capacity of a lowly Italian slave.
>>80913069
Nothing triggers me anymore.
Nothing except Europeans siding with Jews against their own.
>>80925261
>Generally slaves in Italy were indigenous Italians,[42]
Wasn't that exactly what I told you dumb ass? You and most living Italians are the descendants of the slaves the Romans had, not the Romans themselves. What is more, the Romans brought African slaves to Italy and Southern Europe, in which of course intermixed with the local population when the Empire collapsed and slaves were freed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe#Admixture
Undeniably contributing to your inferiority complex and shit skin mentality,
>>80925386
Do the research yourself. Or you can take the word of some but-hurt cherry picking Italian nationalist for granted.
Meds truly are the master race.
>>80925627
this
you should be united faggots
I have a feeling this salty "Italian" OP isn't Italian at all.
saged
>>80925947
Moorjani is a shit geneticist with a multiculti agenda: Leave to a snownigger idiot like you to believe in that instead of the studies that are actually serious that I posted http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/04/sub-saharan-admixture-in-west-eurasian.htm
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/04/genetic-structure-of-west-eurasians.htmll
>>80926273
yes I have researched it thank you. Your bullshit comes directly out of 'scientists' from the Nazi government and is completely falsified dribble. You dumb cunt
>>80927064
Italibro absolutely BTFO all the stormweenies today holy fuck look at the tears
Countries inventions that contribute the most to humanity
1. England (by far)
2. France
3. Germany
Italy was there in the top ten somewhere, but it was more towards the bottom. The good news is that pretty much all the countries were European countries.
Why is Rome being used to denigrate Northern Europe and Germanics? If I remember my history correctly, the English, French, Germen, and all the people from those little countries between them were part of the Roman Empire, and contributed quite a bit to the Empire throughout its history.
>>80913249
>tanned germans
>>80921403
funny how its always the shitskin mixes that cry "DIVIDE AND CONQUER" when whites try to defend their genetic heritage
lo siento paco but you will never be considered white!
We get it. You wuz kangz.
Just pay denbts.
>>80927064
Who hell is Moorjani?
Couldn't care less what is posted on some random Italian nationalist blog. What matters is the majority of peer reviewed science - which completely and utterly demonstrates that there has been more African admixture in Southern Europe than in Northern Europe.
This is also common fucking sense to everyone with a brain who has ever seen a world map.
>>80927215
The industrial revolution got going in England first and information spread outwards through contact. So obviously any country closely connected to England following the Industrial Revolution is going to get the earliest head start and contribute the most in this 'technology race'.
When industrialisation spreads to the rest of the world they'll develop skilled workers like the West has. And they'll develop their education institutions to a similar standard.
Europe wasn't a bunch of backward savages before the Romans either. Their societies just weren't as centralised as the Roman State.
>>80927596
>Couldn't care less what is posted on some random Italian nationalist blog
lmao, he's Greek, you retard. And he does a very good job at critcizing the shit study linked in that wiki article.
>What matters is the majority of peer reviewed science - which completely and utterly demonstrates that there has been more African admixture in Southern Europe than in Northern Europe.
"African" = red-sea admixture which dates back to the neolithic (i.e 5000-8000+ years ago) meaning the Romans had those genetics too. The actual nigger admixture is very low and only occurs in Sicily.
>Claims the Romans were swarthy and that they considered swarthy meds to be the master race
>Any light study of ancient history reveals that the Romans made most of their gods blonde haired.
Makes sense much?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond#Southern_Europe
>The following Roman gods are said to have had blond hair: Amor, Apollo, Aurora, Bacchus, Ceres, Diana, Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, Minerva and Venus.[65] An emperor, Nero, descended from an aristocratic family, is by the historian Suetonius described as: "... his hair light blond,... his eyes blue..."[66] Augustus, founder of the Roman Empire, is by Suetonius described as having hair that was ... slightly curly and inclining to golden.[67]
>>80923784
>conquered by blacks
>>80913069
Retarded.
>Use Roman Logic.
>Un-shaven face.
>DIM WITTED BARBARIANS!!
Cmon senpai.
>>80928285
Outdated bullshit that literally comes from nazi propaganda books. I would say I'm surprised wikipedia puts that bullshit there, but then I remember they also linked that shit agenda-driven study you posted in the article about African admixture as well.
>>80928037
As if that matters.
They are the exact same as you guys. Subject to Ottoman rule for over 500 years. Suffered multiple invasions during the past 3000 years, from Slavs, Albanians, Turks, Bulgar s, Arabs among others. Yet, every Greek is somehow a direct blood descendant of Alexander the Great (who was blonde) and every other great man that lived in the area 3000 years ago.
It's so stupid that it's almost beyond belief.
>claims medniggers are the best
>forgets that italians are just the nigger offspring of rome and have literally accomplished nothing in the past 1500 other than the roman empire collapsing
>>80928696
And there we go, the shit skin had to pull the Nazi
Sicilians are fucking filthy with that ottoman DNA.
>>80929126
It's true though: http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm
Look at that "Sieglin (1935)" everywhere. He was snowdindu trying to steal mediterranean achievements like niggers do today with Afrocentrist bullshit.
It's based on a bunch of lies and misinterpretations. The eyes and hair color of many of those emperors weren't recorded at all.
>>80923523
What achievements? After the empire fell Italy was a fragmented mess variously ruled by different Germanic sovereigns, and even when properly independent spent all their time plotting to murder each other in petty mercenary wars. I'll concede about the Byzantines, but they were culturally Greek rather than Latin, and in fact looked down upon on Italians (as Greeks historically have). Even the Renaissance was just an attempt to reaquire their previous glory, and at that point the rest of Europe was just as civilized. Though of course you'll just flatly deny all of this. You're probably descended from Etruscans anyway
>>80927440
I don't know, because it's always whites fighting each other?
>>80929602
Dumb fat fuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_city-states
>In the 14th century, just as the Italian Renaissance was beginning, Italy was the economic capital of Western Europe: the Italian States were the top manufacturers of finished woolen products. However, with the Bubonic Plague in 1348, the birth of the English woolen industry and general warfare, Italy temporarily lost its economic advantage. However, by the late 15th century Italy was again in control of trade along the Mediterranean Sea. It found a new niche in luxury items like ceramics, glassware, lace and silk as well an experiencing a temporary rebirth in the woolen industry.
>By the 13th century, northern and central Italy had become the most literate society in the world. More than one third of the male population could read in the vernacular (an unprecedented rate since the decline of the Western Roman Empire), as could a small but significant proportion of women.
>>80930035
Why so angry, Luigi?
>>80913069
>difficulty explaining Roman theory based on Northern European's meager cultural achievements
um what? The chill explains that perfectly, it prevented civilization from manifesting beyond surviving the winter For a prolonged period that caused their intellect to develop, the harsher climate developed more cognition over that time. Mediterranean climate made civilization easier to achieve earlier on, thus "cultural accomplishments" were evident in their environment. Northern European's common law was developed through honor societies, and are still evident today. You even admit the "glory" of the Northern European's eventual rise, despite no dickwaving ruins of civilization for them to point to. Their cultural achievements are in their minds and hearts, their concepts of law and war brought them beyond rome's "achievements" and they colonized the planet.
>>80930035
Italy had far more degenerate aspects of their culture, vomitoriums, bathhouses with stds, lead plumbing, lol. Their hankering for "luxury" set them behind in the meta game of cultural chess andthey eventually lost to Northern Europe in the long run, how's that for shit posting genius
>>80930035
So basically your only evidence dates back half a millenia? Because we both know after that Italy was shit
>>80932234
What's funny to me is tacticus even noted the staunch disapproval of degeneracy amongst germanics way back when, including homos being drowned in peat boggs. Northern Europe simply leap frogged Rome and Italy due to taking themselves more seriously. Italy just interpreted the Northern European's stoic sincerity as barbarity
