What are the legitimate functions of a government according to a conservative?
>>80902350
Judicial, Executive, and Legislative.
To do less.
>>80902508
I wasn't asking what the branches of government are. I guess I should have said role of the government.
>>80902350
Protection of life and property rights?
>>80902350
To infere as little as possible
>>80902508
>>80902510
>>80902643
>>80902866
What are some cases where the government is entitled to your money? (only equality tax)
Or maybe the phrase it another way: Do you think there are (only legitimate) services of government where the citizenry is obligated to pay for?
>>80902350
The state serves to promote good. To raise people to do good. This is the classical stance of Aristotle. And it's hard to say precisely what is good unless you refer to religion. So the state should raise its people in virtue and in christian faith. These are its basic tasks
Then also you have things like protecting the consumer in relations with big companies, imposing environmental restrictions, providing labor laws (collective bargaining, easy process of creating a labor union etc.) and then maybe providing public services, but so far this is rekting budgets of european countries, so I don't know how long will this be possible
>>80903152
No, there is speration of church and state
The purpose of government is to protect the country and keep order
>>80903088
Citizens should pay for
>police
>military
>fire service and paramedics
>basic infrastructure (roads and lights)
That's it. No welfare, no Obamacare, no MPs 3rd beach house
>>80903291
>separation of church and state
Not everywhere is the US. I'd quite welcome the reunion of church and state tbqh famalam
>>80902350
People have rights innately, not at the pleasure of any other.
A legitimate government recognizes this and other natural limitations, and its function is to preserve those rights.
This is what separately a legitimate government from any other accident of circumstance.
>>80903088
>Do you think there are (only legitimate) services of government where the citizenry is obligated to pay for?
Personally? No not really.
If there is a demand for a thing then the market can satisfy the demand for it, having the state interfere will just lead to inefficiency and confusion.
That said, perhaps border control would have to be the responsibility of the state but it's a complex question.
I'd recommend Hoppe's 'Democracy; the God that Failed' for this kind of topic.
>>80903291
>No, there is speration of church and state
There has always been, church always existed as a separate administrative entity
The separation of church and state doesn't mean that the state shouldn't recognize what is the leading morality in the state. This idea of a secular, neutral state is nonsense. Only some muslim countries and Israel have the guts to openly state which religion leads their country
In Poland religions are officially equal, but the Catholic Church gets a bigger funding and is in general privileged in some areas
>>80903152
>So the state should raise its people in Christian faith
Leave it to a stinky faggot ass pollack to try and force his beliefs on the people around him.
No wonder the Ruskies treated you like shit
>>80903611
Best Gadsden
>>80903813
>to try and force his beliefs on the people around him
religion classes are voluntary you member of a soon to be destroyed nation
The idea that some country is not christian, muslim, jewish, whatever, means being in denial
>>80902350
Protection from others. IE, Military, Police, Laws, and property.
Thats why conservatives pass shit like the Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air act.
We just don't give a shit about protecting you from yourself.
>>80903088
When its used to pay for military, police, firefighters, EMT's, and emergency responders.
>>80902350
To kill sand niggers
The only legitimate functions of a government are to provide the public with services that they otherwise would not be entitled to. There is no other justifiable function of government whatsoever.
>>80903580
No offense but this seems extremely naive to me. Believing rights are God-given or inherent in Men as if everyone is entitled to them. It's Liberal talk, believing everyone is entitled to something in virtue of being born instead of the constant vigilance of the people in upholding these rights.
>>80903088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjGsLmAXTYs
Bill Whittle is probably the best youtube video provider on that subject
Enforcing private property rights.
In other words keeping the proles form overthrowing their masters.
>>80904442
Bill Shittle is a cancerous faggot
>>80903088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLD6VChcWCE&list=PL5_z6DAA07VQz_5GECnD3Ep0L_Bp0mxy3
specifically you should watch his 7 part series "What we believe"
>>80904608
Ok I will. I like Whittle.
>>80904439
>It's Liberal talk
lel, this is literally St.Thomas tier m8
>instead of the constant vigilance of the people in upholding these rights
when someone violates your natural rights
>>80904573
>ad hom opposition
Dad, you're better then that
Protecting the country from foreign threats, whether those are immigrants or an invading army.
>>80904696
Rights aren't natural. They are man-made. Is there something I'm missing here?
>>80904937
A natural right is something you have if nobody interferes with your ability to take it. A more popular term would be "negative liberty"
>>80902350
Pest Control.
>>80902350
The role of a government should be to protect its people, the question as to how far should be answered by the people it protects.
>>80904937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
There are 5 main functions that it is proper for the government to fulfil:
1. To stop gays from marring
2. To educate children and instil thy word of the lord in their minds
3. To bomb brown people
4. To destroy the lies of the fossil "record"
5. To shoot marijuana users in the streets
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>>80905259
So, the government takes it power from the people. By that definition, people can't give something they don't possess. One legitimate case would be self-defense. Does that mean and I say this with no animosity in case you think there is, the nation building efforts of the US are largely unconstitutional?
>>80904937
>They are man-made
They are man-made only as a formal conclusion of "finding" them among the natural law. So when somebody passes a bill in which it is written that murder is prohibited, it's only a formal conclusion of the acknowledgement that a certain person has a natural, God given right to life
Philosophy => law
>>80905431
Almost everything the American government does is unconstitutional.
>>80904573
Based Hoppe
>tfw you read all the footnotes
>>80902350
Collect taxes, deliver the mail, field an army.
>>80905562
>deliver mail
Kek, why this off all things? It can't even so that effectively.
Economy, defense systems and foreign relations.
>>80902350
military
border protection
police
infrastructure.
Keep in mind that people love to make the "muh roads" argument but infrastructure only accounts for a tiny little sliver of our spending. The vast majority is spent on welfarenigger benefits and such. And that shit has got to go. I'm not against taxes no matter what, but I'm against what we have now
>>80905562
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>>80905794
What if those functions were to be privatized instead? That's largely happening with these PMCs and postal services anyway. Is that unconstitutional?
>>80905700
You wouldn't understand.
>>80905893
(You) wouldn't be able to explain.
>>80902350
conservative here.
The legitimate functions of the government include, but are not limited to: building and maintaining public infrastructure, providing transportation, the military, providing and regulating healthcare, providing and regulating education, law creation and enforcement, redistribution of wealth, owning the means of production, etc.
>>80906051
I don't have to explain, because I'm an American. I have rights.
>>80904573
>saved
Human Action should be above Ethics of Liberty though.
>>80906123
God bless America
>>80906121
>regulating healthcare
>providing and regulating education
>owning the means of production
>>80905431
> the nation building efforts of the US are largely unconstitutional?
With out doubt, but the US government was usurped long ago.
>>80906121
Sounds like a good start to me.
>>80902350
Courts
Police
Military
that's it
some people throw in diplomacy (i'm one of them) but others say there's too much potential for shenanigans
of course, you said government, you really meant, "the state"
the government runs the state and the legislature makes new rules for the police/justice to enforce. don't forget about that piece
>>80907127
You are correct, I meant "state".
Protection from Force and Fraud.
>>80906356
Seriously though, the US government does all of those things (except for outright owning the means of production) and I see constant reference to the US being the "most conservative" and "most right wing" first world nation.
What the fuck is the rest of the world doing?
>>80905869
No. Just because we have UPS doesn't mean the US postal service can't exist as well.
a monopoly on violence
>>80904442
>"Why not launch a campaign to remove height inequality
>mfw some form of this is actually happening
