Today, the law to ban any semi automatic firearm that accepts mags with more than 20 shots has passed with 27 votes in favor and 10 against.
The gun culture and gun ownership of Europe is now finally dead and buried. The EU bureocrats have managed to destroy civilian gun ownership while pretending that it will protect us.
>http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160711IPR36757/Gun-control-MEPs-clarify-licensing-rules-and-safeguards
HOW WILL WE, EUROPOORS, FIGHT WHEN NEEDED?
Everyone here can feel it, the tensions in the western world: the failing of Deutche bank, the immigrant crisis and the rape/crime/terrorism as result and the rising tensions between 'far-'right and far left
I was planning on getting a sport shooters license so i could own a firearm, but what now? How can one protect himself, his family and his property in the EUSSR?
>>80881937
Who voted against it, is there a record somewhere?
>>80881937
>Dont have mass shootings like in the US
>Have responsible gun owners
>Leftists are cucks and want to leave you defenseless for the Muslims and Globalists to take over
>>80882030
I dont think there is
>>80882131
>Dont have mass shootings like in the US
Most US mass shootings in USA are by illegal firearms, and we had some -mostly terrorist- mass shootings like in Paris or brussels
>>80882438
Yeah I know. What I'm saying is that you don't have mass shootings like the US but leftist cucks still try to take away your guns
>>80883073
My bad
>>80883230
No worries :)
I'm going to buy a hipoint 45 and no one can stop me
>>80881937
No it has not, wait for 22 November, there will be changes.
>>80883541
Do it, enjoy the freedom.
ARM YOURSELF
>>80881937
>Patrick Calvar says that Europe is in the brink of civil war due to migrants
>EU disarms it's own people
Kek. You've been warned for years about this Europoors. Hope you have a decent amount of food and medical supplies stockpiled.
>>80883899
Serious question from a leaf that doesn't know about guns:
Is the Glock in that picture real?
LAW HAS BEEN PASSED BUT DOESNT MEAN ITS IN EFFECT.
GO BUY ANY GUN(s) YOU CAN AN CONTINUOULY BUY AMMO IN CASH EVERY TWO WEEKS
>>80884205
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What the fuck do you think? This is why no one takes any of you cuckleafs seriously
>>80884205
And yet there are still people on 4chan that shill for the EU.
>>80883967
Reminder that I made this for defensive use only.
Any Americans actually interested about how to build?
What are the Czech and Swiss bros going to do about this!?
>>80884645
Is that a 20 inch barrel?
>>80884645
Nice ar
Unrelated question
what are those those butt stocks that wrap around your wrist for pistol ar's called???
>>80884289
BUY FUCKING NOW YOU PLEBS
LAST CHANCE NO FUCKING SHIT
BUY GUNS NOW euro plebs
YOU WILL BE WIPED OUT BY THE BROWN HORDES!
DEFCON 1
ITS OVER PLEBS
>>80881937
Can you buy parts for an AR15? Like a barrel and bcg? What about 80% lowers?
>>80883899
>glock
To matters worse, anytime someone says
>glock 40
Is never 10mm which sucks
>>80884205
It might be a real gun, buts not a glock
>>80881937
I guess I don't see what the problem is? Just don't buy a magazine for your gun with more than 20 rounds?
I mean yeah, it sucks. But why are you guys freaking out? Worse was passed in California.
I thought you guys couldn't own shit anyways except for bolt action rifles and shotguns.
>>80885264
Nope 16"
>>80885288
Braces, Sig makes one and you can get one now called the "Shockwave" that "balances" the gun.
>>80883073
Mass shootings in the US are statistical. 300 millions guns, 318 million people, there are bound to be some mass shootings sprinkled in. If everyone was armed, there would be less. You don't hear about the mass shootings that DON'T happen due to armed citizen solving the problem before it starts.
>>80886519
If I'm reading right, any gun CAPABLE of accepting a >20 rd mag is banned, not just the magazines themselves.
>>80883899
No, its some shitty taurus
>>80887185
was for
>>80884205
>>80886519
>I guess I don't see what the problem is?
That's probably because you're a stupid faggot who doesn't understand how the erosion of rights works.
>>80881937
Fuck. I hope my incompetent country just burst up and the government fails once and for all so we don't have to issue such retarded law.
>>80884205
It is a Hi-Point. Some of the cheapest guns that are still reliable. It isn't "hammered together in a vice by people who lost 7-1" bad, but it is not something impressive.
>>80887099
>>80886519
Guns now have to either get a fixed mag that is loaded from above just like an K98 or Mosin nagant or a folding mag like pic related
>>80883073
The problem with "Mass Shootings" here in the USA is that Mass Shooting is not a legally defined term.
The media here will report an instance in which only two or three people are shot (and don't even die) as a "mass shooting."
I mean, did you see that shit that happened in Dallas? The guy used an SKS and they called it an assault rifle.
>>80881937
as long as they dont take my crossbow i'm fine
>>80887397
your ancestors did more with less
better do something while you still can. once Merkel erects her Islamic Internationlist EU army, you guys are done for
>>80887511
>as long as I get to keep one testicle I'm fine
Why are the french such cucks?
>>80887511
They will sooner or later
>>80887511
>>80884645
I'm interested
I live in commiefornia, and thus noguns
how much did all that cost and what tools do you need?
>>80887511
Leave it to the French to roll over when the Germans enforce their will.
>>80881937
1. learn krav maga (3-4) months for outside defense
2. buy a 5k$ crossbow for home defense
>>80886519
What is happening in California ?
kek, won't these laws keep Kalashnikovs out of the hands of terrorists? You don't need a gun Pierre.
>>80888029
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California
Look at them, look at them and laugh.
>land of the free
>>80887984
>let me 2 minutes and i rekt your shit !
What's the most effective firearm that I can get on a Section 1 license? I was thinking about getting an SMLE.
>>80887621
>posting wrong gun
>>80887982
Probably $2000-$2500
>>80881937
Make your own hi-tech ones.
Show some human ingenuity.
>>80888717
Can't you all own semi auto pistols but they need that stupid bar welded to them?
Are you in an urban environment?
Well, if I can't get semi-auto Kalash legally, I will smuggle full-auto Kalash from Russia. Eat shit EU buraucrats.
>>80882438
You literally had more mass shootings in 2015 than the USA did in all of obamas years as president.
just buy 80% AR-15 lowers and machine them yourselves or are drill presses and routers banned in EU too?
>>80888868
Even if I'd make them myself they would still require me to have a license and follow their [EU] rules
>>80889149
[User was sent to EU re-education camp for this post]
>>80888962
Bar and barrel, it's fucking retarded. I'd rather just get a rifle. Also I'm not really sure what sort of license you need for them since they make me feel want to dig my eyes out with a fork so I never bothered checking.
>>80884645
wait so when you say 'made', you're saying you machined the parts from scratch and then assembled it?
>>80881937
>Today, the law to ban any semi automatic firearm that accepts mags with more than 20 shots has passed with 27 votes in favor and 10 against.
lel
>>80888423
So they can't get semi auto rifle. Even in Europe you can own ar15 and aks.
>>80889457
>37 people represent the entirety of Europe
wew
>>80889414
But wouldn't that be easily discarded in a shtf situation?
Can you all buy 80% lowers and parts for ARs? Like barrel and bolts?
>>80889428
Doubtful. Maybe the lower from an 80% or something
>>80882131
>>Dont have mass shootings like in the US
Yeah, things have been just peachy in goold old Eire.
>>80887982
Ouch.
Honestly bro I don't live in CA, or have any intention to, and your states specific gun laws are absolutely alien to me.
I would recommend you learn your states laws before you buy, easiest way to do that is walk into your local gun store and ask what exactly you need to do to purchase a gun you'd like.
Gun laws in Cali are getting worse fast.
The AR alone provably cost me around 850-950 bucks, the ACOG another 1100.
You don't need to spend anywhere near that.
In Commiefornia I'd look at something like the Ares SCR or Kel Tech RDB-C.
>>80889573
This is why the EU is a failed project. They blew it.
>>80888868
>European ingenuity
Not (((human)))
>>80889414
whats going on there bro? couldnt they be theoretically reactivared?
>>80889428
>>80889671
I was referring to the guide on how to build one.
>>80889414
>bar and barrel
At that point why not just get a carbine? Do they make carbines for semi-auto pistols like they do with revolvers?
>>80889522
you can maybe possess one but you have to keep it your house and you cant even shoot burglars or trepassers
>>80889674
>the north
>english laws
Anyway the last mass shooting in the north was 1998 and it was carried out by english lovers
>>80889965
sorry, 1994. 1998 was a bombing
>>80889598
You'd need a new barrel or cut it down if you have the tools and the bar is usually attached to the handle but I saw some older pistols once where it was attached to the mag, So yeah you could do with a bit of work. Honestly I need a rifle more than a pistol right now, still undecided on the Lee Enfield though.
>BIN THAT G-GUN PART 2
>>80887988
Who the fuck would ever spend $5k on a crossbow?
>>80890044
Ohhhhhhhhhh, it was just a bombing.
>>80889522
They can have semiauto rifles, but they can only hold 10 rounds max and you have to stick the tip of a bullet into the magazine release to reload, which makes reloading a lot slower.
>>80884645
>assembling lego parts
>build
Pick one.
Also, there's nothing you can teach someone on here that they can't learn in 20 minutes on youtube.
>>80889816
Link to said guide pretty pls
>>80890150
You can't buy ready made bombs in shops, Amerifriend
>>80890111
I guess the point I was getting at is that you could have a semi auto in a caliber that may do well out to like 150yds as opposed to a bolt action rifle.
>>80889835
They do but you need to manual load a round after every shot so it's not semi auto.
http://www.gunstar.co.uk/smith-wesson-m-p-1522-22-rifles/rifles/687447
>>80890231
You can buy Tannerite, but you would need a huge quantity to do any significant damage. Shit shreds through trees at least, from my experience.
FUCKING FROGS, YOUR SHITTY SOCIALIST FUCKING CAZENEUZVE FUCKER STARTED THIS, I HATE YOU REEEEE
YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WILL STRIKE AND RIOT ENDLESS FOR MUH 35 HOURS WORK OR FUCKING FOOTBALL BUT YOU LET YOUR FUCKING SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT IN PLACE
>>80890231
What about tannerite?
>>80881937
>that accepts mags with more than 20 shots
So basically any firearm that accepts magazines is now banned?
I have 3 of these along with countless ammo if shit hits the pan. (Hey GCHQ / CIA)
I just bought my first AR15 a few days ago. Arriving in the mail this Friday.
Don't you wish you were actually free, Euros?
>>80890215
Here let me spoonfeed your ADHD addled ass
>>80883967
>>80883967
>>80883967
>>80890437
Tannerite and some nuts and bolts would fuck up shit majorly. I honestly surprised you can even buy it
>>80883541
buying a hipoint, are you actually autistic or a nigger?
>>80890437
You can't buy tannerite in Ireland definitely but I also think it's not legal to purchase literally anywhere except the US anyway
Excluding shitskin countries and south america
>>80890339
Yeah but like I said, I don't want another pistol, atleast for now. I'm looking for a pretty reliable rifle with a good bolt mechanism.
>>80890192
But people are lazy and don't want to watch youtube videos of people tonelessly going on with sometimes outdated/biased info about how to do something that takes 5 mins.
>>80890215
Here>>80883967
Its a rough draft, will make simplifying changes tonight.
>>80890192
Do you build a house with fucking trees?
No. You build it with premade parts.
My terminology isn't incorrect you mong.
Are pellet guns a good idea, the ammo isnt deadly or really dangerous but you can buy it without license or whatever?
>>80890772
Id suggest something in a NATO caliber.
5.56 preferably
>>80890674
They make some good stuff
>>80890687
>Excluding shitskin countries and south america
we are a shitskin country fampai
>>80890886
>hipoint
>good
pick one
This is devastating! Tens of civilians throughout Europe will now have to turn their 20+ mag semi automatic rifles in to their respective governments.
This isn't the US...
>>80890893
Of course, my mistake
you can officially buy this in my country, but you can't purchase any weapon of concealed use, such as glock or beretta.
>>80890937
I had a .380 hi point that I put 1,000 rounds through and never had any problems. Ftf maybe 5 times
Picture of gun in question from >>80890591
Can't wait to take it to the range. Going to be great for target practice.
>>80890497
Shut up, we are the first victims of this faggot.
He is doing it in big secret, most peoples don"t even he is the one pushing it.
And shut up, at least we protest your shit labors laws coming from your country socialist.
>>80890952
It affects 2 Million people in Switzerland that is also effect alone.
>>80881937
>semi automatic firearm that accepts mags with more than 20 shots
All you need is a moist nugget.
>>80891053
>you can officially buy this
Drive east a few miles within your own country buddy you can buy any weapon your heart desires
there's a war raging that /pol/ and the world has forgotten about
>>80891097
Looks great
>>80891097
Remember that time I said picture? Yeah, here it is.
>>80890937
>memes
>>80891162
Oops. See>>80891170
>>80890886
>They make some good stuff
They make "functional" stuff, anon. They are ugly, huge, and high mass, but they do work.
>They can also be used as melee weapons if you run out of bullets. Tolerances are so loose that you won't damage anything in the gun at least.
>>80891158
having unofficially purchased gun in ukraine is punished by 5 and more years of prison
Buy a 3d printer. As long as you have the rest of the rifle, the magazine doesn't matter. It could be made out of wood for all that it matters.
>>80890850
Don't know but I plan on buying CAT C weapon ( easy to get and you can keep it for ever ).
I like this Ruger sniper rifle.
>>80891242
>law
>eastern europe
>>80890591
What state are you in? When I bought my Uzi online I had to pick it up at licensed firearms store.
>>80891373
Texas. It does have to go to FFL. But since I have a concealed carry permit, transfer fee is only $10.
>>80891365
the law will work if you will show a gun to oligarchs son or to some other rich fag
>>80881937
You have to git gud at changing mags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjvXpWP6-WE
>>80891431
>$10 transfer fee
Dontcha just love those patriotic feels, fellow texanon?
>>80881937
Most "battle rifles" chambered in 7.62x51 come with 20 round mags by default. Look into the FAL, SCAR17S, BM 59, M14... though I'm not sure if they are available.
>>80890886
hipoints are gangster hold em sideways guns, they jam constantly unless your on top of maintenance, and even then they are shit tier, they also look like garbage
>>80891613
Feels good man. Expedited background check too because of the LTC.
>>80883967
>yfw you have dealer accounts with
>midway
>psa
>rainer
>faxon
>primary arms
>palmetto
>cabelas
>brownels
>aero precision
>>80891779
Are you selling 5.56? If so where can I buy it?
I just have an Anglo Saxon sword, a few knives, a longbow and a crossbow and an air rifle. I'd love a gun but i'm prepped better than the 99%
>>80891431
I'll have to keep that in mind then, because I'm back in Texas now, but I bought my rifle when I was living in Tennessee.
>>80883073
well paddi, if they succeed, that makes you the cuck, doesnt it?
>>80881937
Well, there goes our national defense capability down the drain; we reservists can no longer practice with civilian versions of army's standard issue rifle or any weapons with sensible amount of bullets per magazine. Also, RIP hunting.
>>80891881
you soon wont.
not after confessing your sins to Father ForeChan
>>80890641
It is aluminum powder and ammonium nitrate. Good luck banning those ingredients.
>>80884205
It's a High Point. Pretty much the cheapest gun you can get that is still actually reliable. They are ugly and crude, but they work and the manufacturer backs them with an completely unlimited lifetime warranty.
>>80890850
>the ammo isnt deadly
i dont know but it can easily pass through a door
California made their AR15 with a fixed magazine. Perhaps you Euro goys might want to look into it.
>>80884645
How fucked am I without a light?
No front rail so can't really add one
>>80892111
i do beg your pardon, polack?
>>80892298
my pellet rifle can penetrate a car hood if I used my steel point magnum pellets.
i placed an order on a mini-14 today
all paperwork is in order
will probably have it by next week
>>80891854
Not at the moment. I can get you literally anything BUT I will not hassle with lowers. That's on you. I'm relocating and will not be settled in my new place for a month or so, but would toy with the idea of hooking up /pol/ tards with AR-15 related items in the near future. /k/ can go fuck themselves.
>>80890044
Like I said, things have been right peachy. Nothing bad ever happens.
>>80881937
>mfw I just bought a Winchester 100 .308 ONLINE yesterday
>mfw I live in Michigan so don't have to register it
>>80892128
You act like that has stopped them before
>>80881937
Well, we do not aim like your nogs, so these 20 shots will hit their targets.
>>80887982
Mini-14
Ruger has a contract so their rifles aren't getting touched for a while.
Semi-auto 10 round reliable 5.56mm rifle
>>80881937
What so this means that the government will try to take my Benelli mr1?
It uses STANAG 30 rounders..
pls fuck the EU.
>>80892348
I used to be one of the guys that thought a light on a rifle was stupid and was just mallninja posing.
Then I went outside, at night.
You need a light, but you aren't fucked if you don't have one.
Just remember to NEVER shoot something you can't clearly identify, because its most likely your buddy and not Frankenstein coming to kill you.
Pic related was me innawoods cuddling with rifru
>MAXIMUM PUNISHMENT for having an illegal gun here is a 2000$ fine
>everyone I know has a legal gun or two and a basement full of fun AKs
come and take it merkel lmao, it'll be like a mix of cheeki breeki and the Vietcong
>>80892405
are you trying to make me belive your "civilized"?
Good thing youre nanny monarchy is doing a good job keeping you apes disarmed...While Ahmed puts you inbred faggots in your place.
hehehe hope they fuck you all up good on the tiny little shithole island of yours
>>80892128
>Not just making c4
>>80892751
What about the "ares SCR"?
Do you think it will pass the commifornia laws?
>>80888717
Look for the cheats. There are AR15 rifles converted to straight pull. You don't have mag limits or feature bans in the U.K., so you can own an AR built without a gas system that has a manually operated bolt.
There are also Mini 14s built for the U.K. market as straight pull rifles.
>>80892529
>>80892529
Can too give me an example?
Like, how much would you pay for a mega billet lower?
>>80892882
relax polack
reminder that I live in a 100% white countryside village
meanwhile you are german and mongol rape babies
goodbye polack
>>80884205
Thin veiled shitpost
1/10 made me reply
>>80890641
Tannerite only explodes if you shoot it with a high powered rifle...
Not even pistols or fire sets it off
>>80890952
It affects hundreds of thousands in Sweden.
Including the military.
This can't be allowed to happen.
>>80892921
>Do you think it will pass the commifornia laws?
It was designed with california in mind, as an alternative to the butt-fugly pseudo-ARs that other companies have come up with. It is an elegant solution. If I didn't live in Real America™, I'd buy one.
>>80892788
I'm in the process of deciding on a light and mount myself:
>>80893189
Hehe, thanks for the info.
>>80892502
lmao norwegians seem to love mini-14
I wonder why...
>>80892993
They've got something better than straight pull, now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fhEmufgbw
>>80893093
At least I can own an AK-47 without a nanny britshit bitchboy english faggot knocking on my door demanding a license.
hahaha fuck you,get raped then killed.
>>80893120
I'm aware. That doesn't negate anything about my statement
>>80893268
Surefire or Streamlight.
Surefire if you have the cash.
>>80887982
Honestly, with all the shit you're going to have to do to an AR to make it legal, your better off with an SKS or a Mini 14 with a fixed mag.
>>80893369
>tripfaggot
>>80893573
I don't think about you at all.
>>80883073
>What I'm saying is that you don't have mass shootings like the US
That's simply not true
By population size Europe has a similar (statistically nonexistent) rate of mass murder as America
>>80893369
Ummm, Britbongs, fucking get this
>>80893421
What about Elzetta minicqb?
>>80893389
relax polack.
plenty of people here in the country own illegal guns (such as AKs) I just don't have one.
Did you not see the fact that I live in a 100% white rural countryside, and polish people aren't white in the first place.
>>80881937
how do europoors protect themselves? easy, be nice to that slavic immigrant that wears tracksuits all the time and keep a bottle of hard liquor in case he requires payment for services rendered
>>80890231
That's what I find interesting. Even the Dallas shooter had bomb making material but decided to go with a shooting instead. I'd aurgue that the prevalence of guns in the U.S. has kept overall terrorist death rate down. (I'm considering any mass shooter a terrorist)
>>80891721
Cant compete with pic related
yessss switzerland you want schengen don't you yesss get rid of those guns good go-- guys
yesssssss
what's that, you need defence now that you've disarmed your conscript army???? not to worry, the EU has an extensive army these days. all you have to is sign the dotted line, yesssssss
>>80893120
You can get tannerite that is set of by .22 now. I've only used a .22 rifle on it will have to try a .22 handgun and see if that works too.
>>80891730
Go watch the IV8888 torture test series and say that again.
Tue only thing that stopped the gun was jamming a metal rod down the whole barrel and even then the gun still didn't explode.
For their price they are quality.
>>80881937
Frenchbro you need to find illegal weapons, or learn to build your own I am sorry to say.
Your country appears to be heading to certain civil war.
>>80894031
M855 is one of the worst loads in existance.
M193 or OTM
>>80893945
too much to read
keep your bullshit straight and short if you want to entertain me. otherwise fuck off and suck some muslim dick
britshit manure spewing whore
>>80893841
there's nowhere to shoot
>>80892788
I feel like giving away your position can be just as bad as being able to identify what you are aiming at, assuming you are in a self-defense situation.
Counting on the other guy to have a flashlight sounds like a cheap, but effective, tactic doesn't it?
>>80881937
>The gun culture and gun ownership of Europe is now finally dead and buried.
You know that even in france, you can get semi-automatic rifles and the like, right?
Stop listening to what americans say the laws are in your country. They're usually wrong.
americans will tell you that Canada makes self-defense illegal and that "assault weapons" are banned, that doesn't make it true
i'll try to snatch a weapon off a corpse when shit hits the fan, i don't think any guns will become legal in yurp
>>80894031
Except .308 has about 50% more energy than what you posted
>>80894111
trips of prophecy
Pierre get your shit together!
>>80894333
Where was the guy in the video at? Go there. Britian is small so driving can't be that hard. Don't you all have shooting clubs or ranges?
>>80893363
Because it is the only semiautomatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines worth a shit available to them without upgrading their license to much more stringent levels
>>80894227
>too much to read
Are you mad, Polack? Mad because you're too dumb to read more than a few lines? Go to school please, and learn the most important language in the world.
>>80894217
Stupid question, but how can you tell the difference?
>>80894333
You could use shitskins for target practice.
>>80894351
>americans will tell you that Canada makes self-defense illegal
In any practical sense self defense with a firearm is illegal in Canada
>>80894338
Well the thing is, they don't give a fuck about what they shoot at.
They'll shoot at movement, kids in the dark, you moving to turn on a light ect...
You can't do that, so the burden is on you.
Most weapon lights have a momentary on function, which means its only on when you absolutely need it.
>>80894524
look at this little beautiful piece, I own
illegally, and not afraid to show it off.
you jelly you slimey anglo shit?
of course you are.
>>80893189
I live in real America and am still thinking about getting one. It'll take a Remington 1100 stock. I kind of like the wood and metal receiver astetic.
>>80881937
Ah, there is an exception made for target shooting and members of clubs. Looks like my future purchase of a 5.56 Bushmaster is safe.
>>80890145
someone without guns
>>80892993
I don't understand why everyone feels the need to get an AR15 of all guns.
They're not that good. They shit where they eat, the ergonomics and controls suck, and thanks to rails being on fucking everything, it's not like the aftermarket ONLY applies to them anymore.
There's plenty of ~Assault Weapon~ style firearms that are specifically made to satisfy civilian markets in various countries where one or more features of the AR15 may be banned; why not get one of those?
What's wrong with a CX4 or PS90 or something at least a little more exciting than the same old cowadoody m16 knockoff?
>>80894742
>In any practical sense self defense with a firearm is illegal in Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Parasiris
frig off
>>80894524
brit who thinks that the real problem is the poles while he is ok with the indegenous "pham" niggers, you deserve a shallow grave.
>>80894504
well I don't drive; I know that's unthinkable to someone in the US.
there was actually an indoor shooting range full of .22 shooters in town, back in the early-mid 00s when gun laws weren't so excessively stupid (sadly i only ever shot .177 air rifles there). would .223 be discourteously loud for a not-really-insulated indoor range situated near a housing estate?
Belt fed AR15
http://www.aresdefense.com/?page_id=126
>>80894891
But what about people like me with hunting licences?
I got a Benelli mr1 in .223 with both standard 5 round mags and 30 rounders.
Or are we hunters excluded aswell?
>>80895187
depends on the design of the rifle but for the most part no, you can shoot .223 indoors. just wear earpro. if you are going to a gun range and not at least sporting some earplugs, you are a moran
>>80891314
>CAT C
Est passible d'une amende prévue pour les contraventions de 4ème classe d'un montant maximum de 750 € le fait :
d'acquérir une arme de la catégorie C sans effectuer la déclaration,
ou d'acquérir des munitions de la catégorie C ou D sans présentation du récépissé de déclaration ou du permis de chasser en cours de validité ou de la licence de tir lorsqu'ils sont nécessaires,
ou d'acquérir plus de 1 000 munitions ou plus de 500 munitions par arme selon les catégories.
À cette amende peut s'ajouter une peine complémentaire telle que :
l'interdiction de détenir ou de porter, pour une durée de 3 ans au plus, une arme soumise à autorisation,
la confiscation d'une ou plusieurs armes,
l'obligation de suivre un stage de citoyenneté.
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>>80891106
Doing this in secret? Lol no, he openly admitted to be behind it on TF1 and was very proud about it too.
>>80894708
Well the TL:DR is,
5.56 is a .22 Projectile.
That means its small.
In order for it to do lots of damage to a target, it has to either fragment or expand.
M193(55g FMJ) moves fast enough to do this, and is primarily lead, so it breaks apart on contact with (You).
M855 is heavier, and therefore slower, and is not all lead cored, it uses a SOFT steel core.
What this does is forces the bullet to stay intact when moving through (You), which is not what you want if you are looking to kill something, because it would just make a tiny, .22 caliber hole.
M855 is also a 3MOA round. As opposed to M193 being a 1.5-2MOA round.
M855 is also actually WORSE at pennetrating steel targets than M193 because again, it is slower, and uses SOFT steel in its core.
OTMs are bullets with Open Tips.
Some of these are constructed in a way that allows for the bullet to Easily break apart upon contact with (You). And the process of jacket drawing an OTM bullet is more precise than FMJ rounds, leading to increased accuracy.
>>80894217
M193 sucks if you have to shoot through anything thicker than paper though due to the light weight and high speed.
M855 will punch through everything you come in contact with, even thin concrete barriers. Only downside is overpenetration
>>80894748
I can't imagine aiming perfectly while fumbling a frontal light on/off at the tip of my rifle in the dark
>>80895038
AR-15 is a good beginner gun. As people get more into firearms, they branch out into different types. Good price, 30 round magazines, decent at intermediate distances, light weight.
Czech Republic exit when?
>>80893958
A nutter with an automatic weapon is almost always more dangerous and will leave a higher body count than a nutter with a bomb for several reasons:
>making an effective bomb is really difficult: you have to get the proportions and mix just right, get the right container (because shrapnel is what does most of the killing), and if you do it just slightly wrong it might not explode properly, or at all, or even blow up in your face as you're making it
>even if you manage to hit a nice, dense area of people with your bomb the people closest to it will absorb most of the damage, they will die but most potential victims will be shielded from the blast (unless it's a big bomb, but those are even more difficult than 'normal' bombs)
>meanwhile literally anyone can use an automatic weapon
>in the same dense area the gun will be able to keep on firing and hit many, many more people than the bomb (and if the gunner bothered to practise beforehand he can still get them as they're running away)
>the gun can keep firing and keep killing as long as the gunner is carrying spare ammo, and multiple guns can be carried at once because they're not that big, while the bomb is one and done
>it's much easier to get an assault rifle and a bunch of spare mags than bomb-making supplies, too, and if you're in the US it can be done completely legally!
If the perpetrators of the Paris attacks and the Orlando night club shooting had decided to use bombs instead of guns I guarantee you they would have killed nowhere near as many people. Luckily most of the nutters that would do something like that to begin with are stuck on 'bombs > guns' and end up getting caught before they even do anything because sales of that stuff are very tightly monitored.
>>80881937
anyone have a quote where they say mags over 20 rounds are forbidden?
Fuck off EU, Gun grabbers stay out of the Nordics please.
Fucking EU implementing cuck laws everywhere.
Why don't we all just leave it already?
Iam willing to pay in order to leave.
>>80896117
>bad ergonomics
>illegal in many places
>expensive to acquire and almost necessary to get into the aftermarket with it to make it useful/trendy enough
>good beginner gun
a good beginner gun is a fucking air rifle
saying the AR15 is a good beginner gun is like saying a VW Bug is a good beginner car. just because it's iconic doesn't mean it's the right thing for you (or for anyone)
>>80895887
M855 is better at shooting through just about everything though
>>80881937
guns are still legal here, just very strict regulation
you can own pretty much anything except assault rifles
>>80896241
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160711IPR36757/Gun-control-MEPs-clarify-licensing-rules-and-safeguards
From the way they are wording this, they are not just going to ban 20+ rounds magazines, but ALL weapons that can take those magazines, ie : all guns with a detachable magazine.
Got a few ex-police pistols and submachine that I don't recognize stashed away for if it's ever needed.
>>80895993
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FfA3Qv9JjBA
Uh. No
M193 has better pennetration performance than M855 at almost all ranges.
I know its hard to digest but the military was using one of the biggest scams ever for 30+ years.
The Army and Marines have since replaced M855 with M855A1, which uses an actual hard steel pennetrator, and Mk318, which is a neat OTM load.
They were also using Mk262 because of M193s abysmal performance.
>>80896116
I have a remote switch directly where my hand sits, its very easy and intuitive.
>>80896444
>all guns with a detachable magazine.
There is literally millions of firearms with detachable magazine in Sweden.
They can't ban it, I will never surrender my guns.
>>80896369
Jesus, you're like one big cry for (You)s. Here you go, dog fucker, now, can you let the semi-productive people talk?
>>80896428
>Isle of Man
da fuck
>>80896159
Nope. The highest disgruntled workplace mass killing was with a bomb, not a gun. It is never mentioned because the purpose of this fake discussion is to trick people into hating guns. High explosives can be easily and legally obtained or made. Whenever a British anon is absolutely dead wrong on his own facts, it's always because he overthought and got excessively comfy in his logic. Data always trumps logic.
>>80896595
>that moonman patch
>>80896444
>http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160711IPR36757/Gun-control-MEPs-clarify-licensing-rules-and-safeguards
"The Commission proposal _would have_ added many firearms used legally by hunters and sport shooters to the list of “Category A” firearms prohibited for civilian use."
They specifically made them legal if you are a member of a shooting club which you already have to be. Atleast here.
>>80881937
>mags with more than 20 shots
So what's the problem exactly?
>>80896901
now that is nice
always wanted 1 of those
>>80896839
>They specifically made them legal if you are a member of a shooting club which you already have to be. Atleast here.
You can own them on hunting licences aswell.
You don't have to be a member of a shootingclub.
>>80896620
wanna fight mate?
>>80896605
There could be billions of those guns, it doesn't matter, as they are all registered. The police will look at their list, send letters to gun owners and the vast majority of them will willingly surrender their guns without any resistance. Those who will resist will be arrested by the police in a spectacular way to set an example, and will be portrayed in the media as the reason why those guns need to be banned.
We can't win either way.
>>80881937
I do not get it, when i was active i had at least 5 fully stocked armories on my 300km path to my assembly place. Everything i needed, weapons, explosives, antitank and and sam missiles. Armor, encrypted dart units and i was authorized to commandeer whatever i needed to get to my unit.
I had 3 hours to moblilize and my task was to protect the rest of the armed forces until they were fully moblilized. If i was still alive after the armed forces were fully mobilized my orders were to report to the closest army or airforce unit and join them.
>>80896595
>They were also using Mk262 because of M193s abysmal performance.
M855s****** abysmal performance.
>>80896818
Tak
>>80890850
>http://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-model-95-air-rifle-turkish-walnut-stock.html
1 shot airgun in .22 or .25 ball.
>>80897074
Well i can always stash them away, Noway they are going to find them.
This law cannot be real, It has to be some sort of sick prank or something.
>>80896901
Mag cannot drop free. It must either be hinge-fixed, or top-loading from clips.
>>80897044
You can't own military weapons (AR-15's, mini-14 etc) as hunting rifles unless they were produced before 1942.
>>80895187
.223 is VERY loud
>>80897092
that seems like a very haphazard way to do it
I'm in the naval reserves of my country and in case of ~National Emergency~ i'm just ordered to go straight to my unit, and them am considered to be on the clock. none of this commandeering whatever I want on the way or joining random other units
>my semi-auto AUG is going to be taken away
We need a Öxit asap
>>80896963
They sell for ~$500 here
>>80897314
What are you talking about, the laws being passed?
Nobody really cares in eastern europe or balkans. Everyone here has an AK / M76 / SKS in the attic, just in case shit hits the fan again. The official gun ownership figures don't account for a quarter of it.
>>80891779
FUUUUUU I want a DD MK18 Pistol...
>>80896901
HMmmpgghhh... saw an m76 in great shape at my local guns store, with scope and magazines. $1500.00 is a good going price state side, what did you pay for yours?
>>80896756
But if bombings are so much more effective than shootings in this day and age, why have gunmen consistently killed more people and carried out more attacks than bombers over the last decade or so?
>>80897074
You are the typical stereotype of the French loser that surrender immediately, get the fuck out of this thread cuck.
>>80896369
>AR15
>expensive
>>80897344
I own a Benelli mr1 in .223 on a hunting license.
Issued in 2014.
It for some reason got accepted by naturvårdsverket as suitable for hunting.
I have 30 round STANAG magazines to it aswell bought legally here >http://vildsvin.se/vapentillbehor/magasin/30-skotts-magasin-mossberg-mvp-ar-15-m16-223-5-56x45mm/
HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF - EUROPOOR EDITION
Acetylsalicylic acid OR ethylene glycol OR glycerin
Sulfuric acid
Potassium nitrate OR ammonium nitrate
Used to make picric acid, OR ethylene glycol dinitrate, OR glycerol trinitrate
Use easily-made guncotton to gel EGDN or NG to make gelatin dynamite, which mixes well with ammonium nitrate as a filler in grenades and bombs.
Read Tenney Davis' "The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives" for more college-level information on high explosives.
>>80898108
>explosives are a defensive tool
i too protect myself from muggings by holding a live grenade at all times
>>80897898
You just said in your own premise that there have been more shooters than bombers, and then asked why the more frequent format got more kills. You are exactly the sophist I accused you of being.
Now go watch In Search Of The Second Amendment so you can learn what this is really about.
>>80898108
Buying ammonium nitrate put you on a watch list. Bombs are not easy to make man.
>>80897644
Nevermind, just saw your post. God damn U.S. firearms importation laws! Based Croatbro, I worship your Yugoguns. I have an M48 in 7.92 mauser and an M70 in 7.62x39mm. I want more!
>>80897951
You can talk big on the internet all you want faggot, the point is that when the police comes for your gun, you'll surrender everything right away. You'll never have the balls to face legal consequences, to have a criminal record, to be put on a watchlist, etc.
