>2016
>not having free community college
literally why not?
Student Loans don't give me enough to survive on, as a Full Time Student.
After tuition costs, my student loan spending money for the year is $4,750...Even though my total bills for the year is $14928.
WHAT THE FUCK! If college money was free I'd at least have the full $9,500 that I was given for the year..Still short, but I'd find a way to come up with the extra $5,000.
In a perfect world, full time students should have free college, free housing, and free fucking food, with free public transportation. Do these fucking retarded politicians not understand the immense MONEY BACK that would be given back to the economy, when we get our good jobs with this education?
Literally how am I supposed to survive?
>dude just print everybody money and nobody will be poor lmao
>>80821759
CC used to be free a couple decades ago, you can thank massive staff for the cost to have risen. Still though, most states will pay for your classes through a fee waiver and then give you the pell grant which is around $5,500 a year to attend classes full time.
>>80821891
oh please, shitty or not it's not like high school is hard, and is there for you to have the opportunity to get scholarships to colleges free of charge
College was created for higher education, not babying you and teaching you how to do your job.
Most people should be in trade school, they should never step foot in a college. If you had your way you'd need a doctorate to become a janitor
>>80822194
I want to become an RN, which requires a degree
>>80821759
>full time students should have free college, free housing, and free fucking food
That's what you get for having military bases all around the world... yuk yuk yuk...
It's a responsibility, not a right.
If you can't succeed on your own, you likely lack the skill, knowledge, or creativity to compete in a competitive environment.
>>80823083
How can I "succeed" as a fucking full time student?
>>80821759
>Loans don't give me enough to survive on
Gee, i wonder why.
15 years ago it used to be 11 dollars per unit at a community college. Completely affordable with a part time job. However, because of (((budget needs))) it's much more expensive.
>>80823467
Get a job. I did it.
>free
Stop right there.
>>80823657
I'm saying I don't even give a shit about having student debt since my job I'll get with my degree will pay for it...BUT THESE NIGGAS WON'T EVEN GIVE ME ENOUGH STUDENT DEBT TO LIVE ON!
oh and get this - they only pay me in increments, every term.
w..t...f...
I am so fucking mad about this right now. My parents retired 4 hours away so I can't crash with them...I guess I'll somehow find a way to have a part time job while being a full time student, even though other countries don't have to put up with this third world shit
>>80821759
>he has trouble paying for high school 2.0
If you attended a state university you'd have something to complain about. You deserve poverty bernout.
>>80823789
I'm already taking a full 12 credit course load with three classes.
It's possible to have a part time job, but it'd be a complete nightmare - trying to balance that, while doing homework and studying for exams etc.
In other words, it shouldn't fucking be like this.
Dude I wouldn't even be in this dire situation if those cock suckers GAVE ME ENOUGH FUCKING MONEY TO SURVIVE ON FUCK!
I don't even give a fuck about student debt since RN salary will pay that back in no time
>>80823964
you're obviously never attended college
please watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3-_r_t7AZU
Free college is a myth
>>80823839
Nigger I attended university part time while holding down a full time job that paid $11.15 an hour to make plastic buckets and sometimes I'd have surprise mandatory overtime.
Pro tip: get a roommate or girlfriend to help with bills.
>>80824081
how many classes were you taking per term?
>>80823974
>It's hard!!!
>Give me more money!!!
>The system should change!!!
>Everything should be provided to me for free!!!
Jesus Christ, grow up.
>>80823467
You go to school part time and work at the same time. I'm sorry, you can't be a full time student. Should have done better in school to get scholarships.
And before you call me privileged or born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I worked full time and went to school almost full time. I didn't even take out loans when I was in community college. If you can't figure this out, you're not meant for college, you're meant to flip burgers, and serve them to people like me.
>>80823974
>Dude I wouldn't even be in this dire situation if those cock suckers GAVE ME ENOUGH FUCKING MONEY TO SURVIVE ON FUCK!
Yeah, I bet you want a "free" handout, because you don't understand the value of hard work. I'd rather throw my money into the fire, then pay taxes to help entitled twats like you get "educated".
>>80824176
>go with the universally panned status quo like a good goy!
Spot the single digit IQ
>>80824177
>You go to school part time and work at the same time. I'm sorry, you can't be a full time student.
Which is wrong. In the civilized world, they allow you to be a full time student. Only in countries like America, and countries in Africa will they not allow this
>Should have done better in school to get scholarships.
I was on route to take over my dad's job, which netted $70,000+ a year. But decided not to only recently. Didn't need college for that
>Yeah, I bet you want a "free" handout, because you don't understand the value of hard work.
two things.
a. i'm talking about student loans. That's not free money, clearly you've never been to college lol.
b. only in shithole countries do they make you do this in the first place
>>80823998
I'll be a senior next semester.
>>80824141
Not many. Off the top of my head 4-5 per term. It ain't hard nigger. You can either be a full time student and fall flat on your face or suck it up and be a part time student. Ironically I still work at that warehouse, instead I'm now I make $75k a year with benefits and various bonuses depending on how well we do with profits. I live in Northwest Georgia so cost of living is dirt cheap. My apartment is only $550 a month and they subsidize my electric up to $60 a month. I have so much cash I don't even know what to do with it.
>>80824312
> That's not free money, clearly you've never been to college lol.
My MBA says differently. My job doesn't even require a college degree.
>i'm talking about student loans.
Then take out more. If you didn't have a credit card when you were 16/18, to help build credit, you dun fucked up. But its entitled little shits like you that make me hope socialists never get elected. I was 100% serious about preferring to throw my money into the fire, than to help idiots like you pay for college.
>Which is wrong.
Subjective. There is no wrong and right about college. It's a privilege, a privilege that you don't seem to understand or even recognize.
>I was on route to take over my dad's job, which netted $70,000+ a year.
Then you should have done it and worked it for 5 years to save up money. This is your fault for not planning accordingly.
>only in shithole countries do they make you do this in the first place
Then GTFO of America and go get your African Studies degree somewhere in Europe. Maybe you can get a job prepping bulls or something when you graduate.
>>80824312
>I was on route to take over my dad's job, which netted $70,000+ a year. But decided not to only recently
You spoiled shit.
>>80824599
>Not many. Off the top of my head 4-5 per term. I
You didn't go to college lol. I'm taking three classes this Summer term, because three classes (12 credits) is the max that I'm even allowed to. 5 classes would be utter insanity, unless you're your studying we wuz kangz courses that is.
But the general point is this, regardless of how many classes you took and the work you did on the side, the point is:
In the civilized world, they don't put that added stress on your plate. Period.
>>80824661
>Then take out more.
THEY WON'T LET ME. I filed out my FAFSA (the thing you do to get student loans) and that's all they fucking gave me.
$9,500, half of which goes to college costs.
$4,750 to survive in a year, when total bills+living expenses equals to $14,928
You can see why I want to punch a baby.
>Then GTFO of America and go get your African Studies degree somewhere in Europe.
I'm majoring the medical field to become an RN, kiddo.
Your jew tactics of sucking kids dry from money is only favored by aids-in-cunt tier retards in America. Remember that as you sleep tonight
>>80824982
I hope you don't nurse in Texas
If you can't provide yourself the means to reach your goals, the market has determined your value wasn't high enough. Throw a pity party all you want, you aren't entitled to anything.
Don't point to others accusing of jew tactics when you're the one whining about too few tax shekels going to you
>>80824982
3 sounds about right. It was 4-5 in the beginning because it was all intro shit.
The rest of the civilized world also has insane tax rates.
>>80825140
Spot the retard cuck'd by his jewish overlords everyone.
>>80825160
The amount of money they pay in taxes is likely less money than we pay in college out of pocket and shit. I guarantee it.
>>80824982
>THEY WON'T LET ME
Commercial loans are always and readily available. If you get denied, you have bad credit, and have your parents co-sign. Get a part time job and go to school full time. It's hard, but just about everything in life requires hard work.
>Your jew tactics of sucking kids dry from money is only favored by aids-in-cunt tier retards in America. Remember that as you sleep tonight
If you were in my tax bracket, you wouldn't be spouting such socialist drivel.
>In the civilized world
>>I don't understand that Europe has ridiculously higher standards involving cost of living, due to the high tax burden upon their citizens.
>I don't understand the American culture involving the promotion of self-reliance and the rewards that come with hard work, So I'm just going to insult my country because I'm not smart enough to understand.
I'm embarrassed to call you my countryman, Anon. Much more or less, it's humiliating to even share the same soil with you.
>I'm majoring the medical field to become an RN, kiddo.
How are you going to become the doctor's bitch- and manage a schedule of being on call, working 14+ hour shifts, if you can't handle 12 credit hours and 20 hours a week at work? You think school is stressful? Wait until you have to deal with your chosen profession.
no scholarship? How fucking shitty were your grades/test scores?
>>80825601
>Commercial loans are always and readily available. If you get denied, you have bad credit, and have your parents co-sign.
Nice. Thanks bro, I'll try that tomorrow after I sleep on all this.
As far as the rest of your points
+students shouldn't be required to juggling a high GPA in college while flipping burgers
+the amount Europeans pay in taxes is still less money than what we pay in college loans
+I'm moreso stressed at being able to have a roof over my head because the federal student loans shorted me on my fucking money, which is way under cost of living as I'm renting my apartment out here. Going to do your commercial loans tomorrow
>>80825860
I didn't give a shit in school because I was part of the lucky sperm club that let me take over my dad's $70,000+ HVAC business without college education.
Only recently did I realize I wouldn't enjoy crawling under houses and climbing on top of roofs, so I'm going to college now at 26. Not bad since I only need 4 years. Plus plenty of people I know didn't get their careers in tune until they were around 30, too
>>80825949
So basically you fucked around in school, fucked up your easy career path, and now want me and other taxpayers to pay for your schooling? you can seriously go fuck yourself
>>80824176
found the "i did it all by myself" boomer
>>80821759
Try getting a job you fucking parasite.
>>80826050
Yes, I believe that education should be free at ANY TIME in a person's life when they want to get a great job.
What part of giving back to the economy in spades with their kickass career do you not fucking understand?
Nevermind all the entrepreneurship that'd suddenly appear when people have all this newfound money thanks to their degree?
>>80821759
>free
>>80826159
>juggle having a high GPA and a job like the rest of the good goyim!
boomer confirmed. Off the board gramps
Possibly underage, too. Either way, report submitted
>>80825949
If you were going into HVAC you would need to go to trade school anyway you dip (unless your dad trained you, and if you're throwing that away you're fucking retarded)
>>80823839
>Fucking lazy murican faggot
i work full time and im a full time student
Stop whining
>>80826234
>go to community college for generals
>most/all generals are easy
>do the schoolwork
>work for shekels when not doing schoolwork
>saved cash because you went to community college
>transfer credits to college relevant to your intended degree
>lighter schedule since you're done with generals
>able to keep working
>get scholarships
wow that's fucking hard
>>80826246
I worked with my dad for 3 years. I remember one year we made $33,000 in a month and a half. Life was good.
I don't want to crawl under houses until retirement age. Plus, if i would have stayed at that I likely wouldn't have met my god tier girlfriend.
But anyway, my degree will give me a job around that range without breaking my body
>>80826182
>market gets flooded with degree holders
>PhDs pushing around brooms because no positions are open for them
>>80826369
>most/all generals are easy
Only people who have never been to college think this. Reported for underage
https://www.clackamas.edu/programs/nursing.aspx
scroll to prerequisites
>>80824312
i just came by the thread to say:
it'd be more insulting to say "spot the double digit IQ". it's a hell of a lot more believable, and has way more of a chance at pissing somebody off. and double digit IQ's, i mean, if you're going to make fun of something that autistic, is a pretty shit score at the end of the day.
>>80826432
The core of the issue. We're seemingly just now learning as a society that the college for all meme was just a meme, let's not charge even further down that path.
>>80826432
>>80826521
I never hear about that issue in countries that do this, though.
You sound like the fucking idiots that believed Palin thinking DA GUBMENT will control how you should be healed if we had universal healthcare lol
>>80826469
Generals are fucking easy. You do the work in math and you write what they want you to say in english classes.
>>80826602
Name a country where everyone goes to free college.
>>80826182
look at this idiot who thinks that everyone who gets a degree is going to magically generate tons of money that will somehow stimulate the economy. You realize how many people get fucktarded degrees in African studies or equally useless shit and end up contributing nothing that they couldn't have done without their degree? They're not gonna have a "kickass career". The fact that you think so much entrepreneurship would magically appear if people got free public schooling is equally fucking retarded, are we gonna start forcing taxpayers to pay for everyone's startup company now too? they're not gonna be able to afford entrepreneurial ventures just because they aren't paying for public college anymore, not without more loans they'll probably never be able to pay back
>>80826602
It causes wages to stagnate and drop. Why pay someone $75k+ a year when there's a million other degree holders who will do it for $40k a year? There's only so many positions that can be filled.
>>80826639
How are Human Anatomy/Physiology courses along with Algebra III at the same time easy?
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-do-european-countries-afford-free-college-2016-3
>but ima "Full Time Student"
I love this meme. "Full Time" is literally 12 semester credits. That's fucking 4 classes. Don't complain about cost or time management until you have at least 18 semester credits a semester.
I'll start year 2 of network engineering next year.
I'm not expecting to get a job out of it, i litterally just go there so don't go full neet.
The neetbux will stop flowing if i go full neet and i need my neetbux
>>80821759
Fuck off #Bernvictim
I'm sorry your candidate betrayed you.
That doesn't mean you need to shit up this board though
You're delusional, and don't understand basic economics.
saged
>>80825870
>students shouldn't be required to juggling a high GPA in college while flipping burgers
I did it, about 75% of the students currently enrolled in any higher level education do it, and they come out fine. If you want to change anything, get a law degree, and go into politics.
>the amount Europeans pay in taxes is still less money than what we pay in college loans
When you tax everyone for a small percent of the population to attend college, of course it's going to be cheaper because the price is dispersed upon your fellow countrymen. But you're not considering the other forms of taxes that you will pay; which can be estimated to be exponentially more than college loans over a set period of time. From gas tax, sales tax, liquor tax (added on to sales tax), VAT taxes (luxury tax), income, and property taxes. These all drive up the cost of living.
>I'm moreso stressed at being able to have a roof over my head
I hate making suggestions that just send my tax money into the trash. But apply for SNAP/EBT benefits. If you live in a extra shitty apartment, you can get "welfare" because you're a student. I didn't do it, because it was too embarrassing, and I'm Chinese. You have to be ghetto black or poor white to get those benefits. And I'm sure you qualify.
>>80826182
>What part of giving back to the economy in spades with their kickass career do you not fucking understand?
The part where the college dropout rate would easily increase three-fold and creates a money pit that can only be alleviated with tax-payer funds. You assume everyone who goes to "free" college passes, when in fact they drop out far more than individuals who pay for it.
>>80826469
>Only people who have never been to college think this.
>https://www.mesacc.edu/programs/course-sequences/general-business-aas
This was the easiest degree out of the 3 that I have.
>>80826818
Algebra III is super easy. You already know all the concepts from II. If anything it's a review course.
>>80826744
Enough people will get competent degrees that it'd be enough to generate the economy.
>>80826812
Yeah, because engineers in Europe and Australia get paid so low right lol?
>>80826941
>You're delusional
>that's why most of the civilized world thinks American college system is pants on head retarded and yet I think it's a good idea
>>80826879
>12 credits being 4 classes
Hows your non-stem degree?
Get a job?
Unless you are one of the very select few who can just seem to excel academically everywhere they go, you will need to work for a living.
It's better you start sooner rather than later. As work experience always trumps academic qualifications and the older you get without working the more unemployable you become.
Maybe if you weren't a fucking idiot and did scholarships in high school you'd get a full ride to a nice uni.
I go to community college. Ivy Tech (probably the best CC you can go to) and it's very nice. I take the bus to downtown and it's really fucking nice.
My cost is about 4k a year.
My uni next year is 10k (IU). So it's a deal.
I've been saving up for my apartment for college, so maybe you should live at home then go to school? If you can't afford it. Not that hard and it's only for two years, who cares.
>>80827030
Compared to an American engineer's income, their higher cost of living, excessive taxes, yes. They get ripped the fuck off.
>>80827192
It's impossible unless you are
>le minority
>do good on the (((SAT)))
>have some snowflake condition (add, autism, lgbt, etc etc) that let's you write in for scholarships
it's hard. CC is easier than high school and you can transfer to a nice uni for half+ the cost.
>>80821759
You should be able to pay for your Community College with a summer job
You want a free ride? Fuck you
>>80827074
>B-but everyone else thinks this way!
First of all that's not true
Second of all a lot of those places also think it's a good idea to let rapefugees flood their cities, and destroy them.
You have the mentality of a spoiled 13 year old.
I highly doubt you are even in college.
Now go masturbate, and use your tears as lube bernvictim.
sage
>>80827028
>I did it
Which was wrong, and has been determined as being wrong by superior education cultures around the world.
I don't get your tax point, but what I'm saying is this:
http://collegedebt.com/
>Student Loans : $1,426,472,208,313.73
Credit Cards: $882,600,000,000.00
Auto Loans: $750,000,000,000.00
LOL
My point is - like single player healthcare - we end up paying MORE money for the same education. It's been determined that universal healthcare is cheaper, why wouldn't I have reason to believe that it'd be cheaper for education too?
>The part where the college dropout rate would easily increase three-fold and creates a money pit that can only be alleviated with tax-payer funds.
You mean...Like everything else lol? We all pay for the fire dpt and police dpt kiddo, even though barely anybody uses it. That's taxes.
>>80827082
>He thinks all STEM degrees require all STEM classes.
>>80821759
Can't afford community college.
>Implying your worth tax payer dollars.
>Implying I wouldn't prefer you at the bottom of the workforce.
>Implying they don't just throw useless degrees at people all the time.
>>80827845
>>80827425
You can't afford CC if you're a full time student....
But the anon was right earlier ITT, I'm going to try the commercial student loans. Fuck
Try going to school with hordes of nigger apes
I'd rather pay for it thank you
>>80827030
>Yeah, because engineers in Europe and Australia get paid so low right lol?
They actually do once you factor in the associated costs of living. Also individuals with engineering degrees in silicon valley can start immediately close to 6-figures. My cousin in Trondheim makes 403,480 kr ($60,000) and he's 55, finishing up a doctorates in his spare time.
>>80827074
>
>Enough people will get competent degrees
Over-saturation of the market will lower wages across the board and is harmful in the long run. Not only is there enough anecdotal evidence to support this, but it's Econ101
>>80827074
>that's why most of the civilized world thinks American college system is pants on head retarded and yet I think it's a good idea
American exceptionalism exists for a reason. Look at the top 10 colleges in the world, notice a similarity? 4/5ths of the colleges on the list, are located in the US. Our quality of education is superior to everywhere else in the world.
>>80827582
>Which was wrong, and has been determined as being wrong by superior education cultures around the world
Surveys involving the quality of college education internationally prove that your point is blatantly false.
>I don't get your tax point
You pay more collectively in taxes in a set amount of time than the worth of your student loans. Just look at these income tax brackets (pic related) and do the math yourself. This is just income taxes. Not the other forms of tax you will be subjected to in Europe that I've previously listed.
>We all pay for the fire dpt and police dpt kiddo, even though barely anybody uses it. That's taxes.
False equivalence and strawman. The police and the fire department is a much needed service to prevent/minimize disasters. I consider the fire/police department a much more important service than paying more in taxes to help you go to college. You're young and you don't understand the world; I get that. Maybe one day when you fully grow up, you'll understand.
>>80827957
You think "I should get the free gibsmedaembooks", but realistically if everyone had free college, this economy would be a shit-show. Regardless of how much money we all have, we can't just have more resources because we collectively have higher banknotes. We need lowly scum like you to go and do blue-collar work that adds to our Gross Domestic Product so that people with wages have product to spend money on. It would be never possible to live in a world where everybody lives abundantly and nobody produces.
>OP wants to be an RN
>OP needs money/can't afford college
Pic related, housing and food are covered.
It's called being lower class asshole.
The rich don't want you getting a degree because then you will think you are above performing labor for them. If you get too smart you might compete with them or be able to challenge them legally.
>>80828308
I forgot all about the military. If you want a free education, OP. Join the military and you'll earn your qualification(s) in no time. They'll even pay you to send you to school after your service.
>>80828456
>Mad
>Implying tax payer dollars are there to offset the mistakes of your forefathers not getting you a healthy advantage early on in life.
>>80821759
Wouldn't subsidized trade school and a tool loaning operation make more sense?
>>80827845
>people can't survive on minimum wage
>if you can't afford to educate yourself, you deserve minimum wage
Hmmmm... really made me think.
I don't think education should be free, but surely some of you retarded libertarians can acknowledge that employed people are better for the economy than unemployed people and a better-educated population is better as well, provided they're not educated in bullshit like women's studies.
Your fellow white Americans should be given jobs if they're willing to work, and if they're unqualified, the employer or government should subsidize their education. Make your country great. Your enemies are not your neighbors. Your domestic economy isn't zero-sum.
The true enemy is foreign countries undercutting your labor. Transnational corporations evading taxes. Foreign banks wielding influence over domestic policy. Instead of creating a permanent underclass of useless government leeches, work to create jobs and train people -- American people -- into them.
You're stronger united.
>>80828460
It's not free, you actually pay a small amount into the gi Bill. But I think active duty can CLEP classes and qualify for TA. If OP goes corpsman, he'll get some experience in field too.
>>80828782
If it isn't painfully evident, I did not serve. But I don't mind paying taxes into our military to support such a cause. It's better than handing people something for nothing.
>>80828969
Wasn't meant as a jab, just information.
>>80821759
Nobody wants to pay for stupid kid's womens studies degree you freeloading commie faggot
>having free community college
>being educated
PICK ONE, op. And no, you shouldn't survive. We're all better off if your degenerate DNA leaves the gene pool.
>>80823974
Im taking 18, suck a dick
>>80829647
>Someone who wants to better themselves is better off dead
Yeah you'll really be able to compete with China at this rate.
>>80828696
>employed people are better for the economy than unemployed people
It might seem counter intuitive, but when technology is applied to the point that production greatly exceeds consumption, you actually need more people with free time than working to balance supply and demand.
Its really the only reason the slaves were freed in America and the reason marketing has been geared primarily to youth/adolescent markets and also stupid people spend more money more frivolously and generate more revenue for the economy.
>>80821759
Don't be so fucking whiny even though you're correct. Students should be given as much access to learning as possible for the betterment of American society, BUT the education needs to be accurate, factual information and not cucked into drivel by SJWism.
>>80822037
Yep. No youngfags remember or know that prior to ~1983, all community college was free except for small clerical fees. It was better that way, more accessible education prevents societal downfall.
Thats also why nobody fucking heard of a "student debt crisis" until the last 10-15 years, because there wasn't one until shitty colleges popped up everywhere and became pay-for-degree mills with questionable education quality at a high cost.
At least some of the major league colleges offer their online curriculum for free, so if you have substantial determination and self-discipline you can build yourself a half-decent college education for the price of internet.
